From Starvation Mode to Ph 2

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Shelle135

Dawn I saw that on Dr Oz. So there is a NEW dr that has done RECENT research? From what I got, she deviated from the originaly P&I in some areas. How do you feel about that?

I don't like deviations, but know that some people do them. I do NOT tell anyone to deviate from protocol. Heck at one point here I was known as the food police I have tried to soften my ways since then

Here is what I thought about the show:

dr oz today and hcg

[buttah]

There are several doctors who do deviations. Most are not radically different but allow more calories to satisfy the FDA warnings (which really show no understanding of how HCG supposedly works - you're not starving because your body is accessing calories from stored fat.) But... I think any new research is good.

Robin Woodall has done tons of research as well, and also has some protocol deviations (water packed tuna, ff ground turkey, broccoli and zucchini, as well as some extra food IF your body is really hungry.) But for the most part, she is very protocol.

BTW, my own internist where I get HCG has done research as well with just as many people as Dr. Emma (and she has people stick to the 500 calorie protocol, but adds extra protein if they are very hungry, because you shouldn't be)!

[buttah]

Shelle, if I were you, in the interests of "doing it right" this time, I would probably load.. BUT without any carbs or sugar. Focus on fat and protein. That will minimize gains (which you'll lose quickly anyway). But that said, you should do what you feel comfortable with. You might easily be fine!

[Shelle135]

Well, as far as I am concerned, this is my FIRST attempt. Everything I did to this point has been "practice" lol! I now have the REAL drops in my hand! YAY!!!!!!!! On the bottle it has all kinds of 3x, 6x etc.

So in hopes my books come today, I will still be reading up online. But the HCG begins today. I ate pretty high fat content last night so I will load only for today. And tomorrow drop to VLCD1

Is there anything I need to know about actual hormone hcg? I read about tapping bottom of bottle 10x's etc. My company sent me nothing of this info!

[Kateenie]

Originally Posted by Shelle135

Well, as far as I am concerned, this is my FIRST attempt. Everything I did to this point has been "practice" lol! I now have the REAL drops in my hand! YAY!!!!!!!! On the bottle it has all kinds of 3x, 6x etc.

So in hopes my books come today, I will still be reading up online. But the HCG begins today. I ate pretty high fat content last night so I will load only for today. And tomorrow drop to VLCD1

Is there anything I need to know about actual hormone hcg? I read about tapping bottom of bottle 10x's etc. My company sent me nothing of this info!

I think there is a sticky up above that goes over the homeopathic "rules." Off the top of my head: Tap lightly! several times before each use. Do NOT let the dropper touch ANYTHING (lips, teeth, fingers, etc). Do not store near any electronics (phones, computer, etc.), and do not refrigerate. No mint products, no eating/drinking 15 minutes before/after drops.

These are all things to keep the homeopathic properties active. Drops can and will deactivate if not treated carefully.

[Shelle135]

Originally Posted by Kateenie

I think there is a sticky up above that goes over the homeopathic "rules." Off the top of my head: Tap lightly! several times before each use. Do NOT let the dropper touch ANYTHING (lips, teeth, fingers, etc). Do not store near any electronics (phones, computer, etc.), and do not refrigerate. No mint products, no eating/drinking 15 minutes before/after drops.

These are all things to keep the homeopathic properties active. Drops can and will deactivate if not treated carefully.

Thank you Kateenie very much I will read the sticky. I wonder how close is "close" for electronics. I have the bottle sitting here beside me on the stand and my laptop on my lap.

[Shelle135]

I can't find that thread.

[Kateenie]

Originally Posted by Shelle135

Thank you Kateenie very much I will read the sticky. I wonder how close is "close" for electronics. I have the bottle sitting here beside me on the stand and my laptop on my lap.

I don't really know, but I keep mine around 3-4 feet away and they've been fine. I kept a bottle right next to a monitor before I knew not to and the drops definitely deactivated.

I don't take any chances with them.

[Kateenie]

Also, if you ordered from Intermountain, they should have included a link with some instructions about the diet/drops in the shipping email they sent you.

[Shelle135]

Kateenie, I didn't order from Intermountain. I got them from HCG Power 3000. I wonder if we should shake the bottle? I don't really care for this company due to the customer support that is lacking. But LOVE the first set of drops for the energy and appetite suppresant. I with they would have gave instructions.

[buttah]

Wait, Shelle, how do you know you got actual homeopathic HCG with HCG in it this time? That sounds like the same company you got your first stuff from?

[sillyme]

She says on the bottle it says 3X 6X etc, so i hope they are the right ones this time for her!

I also didn't get instructions with mine but they sent an email link when i ordered with instructions, as well it says on the bottle how much to take. I didn't order from the same company though as you did. However if they did send you a confirmation email i would check there

[buttah]

^Phew, good!

[Shelle135]

LOL! You girls are something else! The company I got these from clearly states that the first bottle is Non-Homeopathic and Hormone-free. I STILL got these bc a friend of mine is using them and was very successful as well as one of her friends.

So I returned to that site, and they have the product that IS homeopathic HCG with the 3x 6x etc in it. I don't feel like they deceived me except calling the first batch "HCG Non-Homeopathic and Hormone-free" They should have lefft the HCG off of it. But other than that, the ingredients were clearly accurate and on the bottle.

These ingredients are on the bottle too for the real drops. Also they send a ebook with diet plan and all in it. But they don't state how to treat the drops, or the electronic issue etc. The dosage is on the bottle too.

One thing though, they have NO taste as opposed to the other bottle that had alcohol in it and tasted like you were really taking something. Is that a worry?

[Kateenie]

Originally Posted by Shelle135

LOL! You girls are something else! The company I got these from clearly states that the first bottle is Non-Homeopathic and Hormone-free. I STILL got these bc a friend of mine is using them and was very successful as well as one of her friends.

So I returned to that site, and they have the product that IS homeopathic HCG with the 3x 6x etc in it. I don't feel like they deceived me except calling the first batch "HCG Non-Homeopathic and Hormone-free" They should have lefft the HCG off of it. But other than that, the ingredients were clearly accurate and on the bottle.

These ingredients are on the bottle too for the real drops. Also they send a ebook with diet plan and all in it. But they don't state how to treat the drops, or the electronic issue etc. The dosage is on the bottle too.

One thing though, they have NO taste as opposed to the other bottle that had alcohol in it and tasted like you were really taking something. Is that a worry?

No. Intermountain's used to taste and they "improved" it so that it does not taste like a shot of vodka!!

[buttah]

Shelle, what did you decide? Did you load? How is it going?

[Shelle135]

Hi Buttah!

Well, I am not doing as well as I had hoped. I can tell I am dealing with the confusion of the whole thing. Yes, I loaded for 2 days and then went into VLCD. However, this is day VLCD4 and I have not yet had a day where I ate clean and according to plan. I believe that I am doubting the hcg aspect. Therefore losing the momentum!

I think something that will help me is to start reading up on it again especially now that I have the right drops AND both books. I TRULY BELEIVE in this but lost my way.

Today though I made up my mind is my 1st CLEAN day of eating. NO going rogue. I don't want to do that. I just need to get the 3 days in. I have lost 5.2 including my gorge day weight. But I want the WHOLE thing back on track!

One thing I didnt understand is that we load for 2 days to give hcg the ability to kick in around the 3rd day. But we are ALSO taking the hcg for the two days that we are loading. So wouldn't VLCD1 be the third day and the drops in full effect?

[buttah]

I'm not sure what you're asking regarding which day is which. The HCG takes a couple takes to start drawing stored fat from the body. So for those two days we are loading, we are only living off what we eat. The loading is also about getting fat into the circulating non-stored accessible "zone" (I forget Simeons word for it), so the body can use that for a few days - it's not just to wait out the two days. So yes, VLCD1 is around the first day the drops are in full effect. If you ate 500 calories the first two days, of taking the drops, you'd be hungry those days and not have your fat stores "stocked" going forward.

But you have me confused. You should have loaded the first two days of the new drops. Then the third day is VLCD 1. Is that what you did? Why are you saying you need to get three days in now, if you're on VLCD4? Do NOT load again! The drops are in effect right now. Did you think they weren't, and that's why you're not on plan?

I'm sorry you're doubting. HCG has totally changed my body, and my life. As it has for many others here. Shelby's dramatic photo thread was recently bumped up again - check out those photos! Watch the DR. Oz that just aired - it's on his website now, I believe. This stuff works.

And if you've lost your load weight, then what's the issue? You're doing great. Follow the protocol. You'll lose from places you never lost from before. For example, and I'll leave with this:

For the first time in my ENTIRE LIFE, my thighs don't rub together. Even when I was thin in HS, they did. But now... not at all!!!

[Shelle135]

Originally Posted by buttah

I'm not sure what you're asking regarding which day is which. The HCG takes a couple takes to start drawing stored fat from the body. So for those two days we are loading, we are only living off what we eat. The loading is also about getting fat into the circulating non-stored accessible "zone" (I forget Simeons word for it), so the body can use that for a few days - it's not just to wait out the two days. So yes, VLCD1 is around the first day the drops are in full effect. If you ate 500 calories the first two days, of taking the drops, you'd be hungry those days and not have your fat stores "stocked" going forward.

But you have me confused. You should have loaded the first two days of the new drops. Then the third day is VLCD 1. Is that what you did? Why are you saying you need to get three days in now, if you're on VLCD4? Do NOT load again! The drops are in effect right now. Did you think they weren't, and that's why you're not on plan?

I'm sorry you're doubting. HCG has totally changed my body, and my life. As it has for many others here. Shelby's dramatic photo thread was recently bumped up again - check out those photos! Watch the DR. Oz that just aired - it's on his website now, I believe. This stuff works.

And if you've lost your load weight, then what's the issue? You're doing great. Follow the protocol. You'll lose from places you never lost from before. For example, and I'll leave with this:

For the first time in my ENTIRE LIFE, my thighs don't rub together. Even when I was thin in HS, they did. But now... not at all!!!

That is encouraging Buttah! I know that feeling. (thighs rubbing) I need to get into the books again. No I am not going to reload. In fact, I am doing great clear up until around dinner. Then things get messed up with "is there really hcg in me" etc. Just bad self talk that needs to be a thing of the past as of yesterday!!! Just plz cheer me on to get tonight in with being according to protocol. Once I get that FIRST night in, I am on a roll! I think it is all mental. urghh!!! Like I said, I need one night in!!!

[buttah]

Okay, how about if I say this: if you're eating too much, the HCG that is in you, is not going to access stored fat. I think you need to read P&I again - just the "treatment" part.

[Shelle135]

I am doing that now. Thanks!

[Shelle135]

Day 6 for me and YET a clean day of eating!!! I am caving at the worse times!!! I DID NOT DO THIS with the first attempt on the non-homeo, hormone-free drops. I lost 16.4 lbs in 8 days!!!!

I am taking both drops, 2 hours apart. Could this be an issue?

[buttah]

What do you mean "both" drops? Are you still taking the hormone free? I hope not! If so, why would you do that, and... yes, I'd think that would be an issue. And considering we have no idea what's in them (I believe they are appetite suppressants to the max), or how they work, why add them to the regular protocol? I'm so confused!

Or do you mean both doses of the "new" HCG drops? i really don't know much about drops or how many daily doses there are.

Are you hungry? Is that the issue? Perhaps you should post in the P2 thread where more people will see?

I never cheated on protocol, so I'm just not the one to answer "head in the game" questions. For me, when you're ready to do it, you're ready to do it!

[Shelle135]

Originally Posted by buttah

What do you mean "both" drops? Are you still taking the hormone free? I hope not! If so, why would you do that, and... yes, I'd think that would be an issue. And considering we have no idea what's in them (I believe they are appetite suppressants to the max), or how they work, why add them to the regular protocol? I'm so confused!

Or do you mean both doses of the "new" HCG drops? i really don't know much about drops or how many daily doses there are.

Are you hungry? Is that the issue? Perhaps you should post in the P2 thread where more people will see?

I never cheated on protocol, so I'm just not the one to answer "head in the game" questions. For me, when you're ready to do it, you're ready to do it!

I know Buttah, you've got your head in the game and that is what I want. Yes, i was taking the non-homeopathic drops AND the real ones 2 hrs apart. The non-homeopathic, hormone-free bc they ARENT HCG but ARE great source of energy and appetite suppressant. I didnt take them together bc I didn't want to mess up the the REAL hcg drops.
The NON-homeo and hormone free ones have B-12, ginseng, hoodia, african mango, etc in them where the hcg drops only have a trace of B-12 and a few other things, so i didn't think it would hurt.

However, I am hungry, craving, low energy etc. BUT ALSO PMS'ing!!! So I am thinking this was a mistake. I am trying to do it by the book but feel like I am doing it without any help from hcg.

Did I sabotage it myself?

[sillyme]

Shelle i think unfortunately those first few days or even week are just plain hard. If you want it bad enough you will do it! I don't think i would take both drops though just the ones with hcg. I would however take a multivitamin and extra B12 if you feel you are lacking energy

[buttah]

Shelle, I don't even know what to say. I can't fathom why'd you'd take both (and I consider two hours apart TOGETHER, because you are effectively on two different weight loss products together that are not meant to be together), if you're trying to do it "Simeon's" way (albeit homeopathically). I never knew that was your intention. God only knows what you're doing to your system.

HCG (homeopathic or RX) is meant to work on it's own, not with heavy duty appetite suppressants. So, to me, you are not doing either homeo or whatever you were doing before... by the book. I can't advise, except to say that countless people have succeeded with the homeopathic drops (I have only done RX shots). A couple here have said they've succeeded with the hormone free, although like we've discussed, we don't know exactly how that works or if it has any of the benefits Dr. Simeons, Kevin Trudeau or Robin Woodall wrote about. I thought that's why you wanted to "switch."

I don't know that there is anyone who has done what you're doing now.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh. I'm just really confused.

[buttah]

I made quite a few edits in the post above, so I thought it better to add this in a separate one:

Shelle, perhaps you are someone who would do best on RX hCG, purely for your "head?" I understand having doubts about whether or not something is really really working, and that was one of many reasons I elected to do RX through a clinic. Since you seem to doubt yourself (and the theories behind HCG, whether "non" or "trace" HCG products really work... maybe you'd just psychologically do better on the "real" real thing? I can say I do take some comfort in knowing that I'm doing the same thing Dr. Simeons' patients did, the same exact thing he studied and wrote about (as well as others since).

The evidence that homeopathic HCG works is staggering (just w/protocol and nothing else but perhaps some vitamins, but NOT another "HCG" product taken simultaneously)... and I really believe it does, but it still hasn't been clinically studied. Nor has "hormone free." Maybe that's what's keeping your head out of the game?

Just a thought.