P2 Simeons Protocol Month of Feb 2013

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by SkepticalMe

I am going to postulate for a moment about a theory of mine regarding the mentality of the number on the scale.

In a former life, the number on the scale defined me, but only in my mind. No one else saw that number. No one else knew that number. Yet, I knew that number, and it plagued me with guilt if it was "bad." I liken it to what it must feel like to be a criminal who commits a crime, known only to himself. Let's say Harry stole a wallet from an unsuspecting soul. The victim doesn't know that he took it; the police don't know; Harry's clergy, nor wife, nor family, nor co-workers know. Yet he knows, and the crime weighs upon his mind all day, until he decides to right the wrong, confess, take his punishment, and alleviate himself of the guilt.

Like Harry, who committed a crime and was plagued with guilt, I thought of the number on the scale from the moment I got up in the morning 'til the moment I lay down at night. If it was a "good" number, I'd be chipper and cheerful, thinking positive thoughts about myself the entire day. If it was a "bad" one, I'd think that I was "bad" and then think of all of the possible reasons why that number wasn't what it "should" be, putting me into a sour mood for the rest of the day, expending and wasting energy trying to decipher what I did "wrong" to make the number "bad" and otherwise thinking negatively about myself.

Food is not a moral or ethical decision (despite what the vegans and vegetarians say <natch>). Food is food. The decision to eat all or none is not a moral decision. I weigh what I weigh not because I'm either good or bad, but because of input and output. It's really very simple.

We need to stop empowering the number on the scale to dictate who we are.

In conclusion, the number on the scale is just that -- a number. It is not my name, clothing size, intelligence aptitude, measure of ability to love, ______________ <--- (fill in the blank).

I'm so happy that I have learned that.

[SkepticalMe]

Thank you, TMB, but I removed that post and posted it to my journal.

After all, I am the new kid on the block here and, after I posted it, I thought that some might think me very cheeky for posting a preaching postulating post...

...and I love alliteration.

But I'm glad that you identified with what I said.

[Felina]

I guess my body just needed to know I was serious this time I have NOT veered off plan.

dawn, I see that you are back on P2. Do you mind my asking how JUDDD went for you? I'm really considering it after I finish P4 but I did not have success with it when I tried it before. I didn't give it a chance to work though because I gained six lbs in three days of juddding so I stopped. I know that you are supposed to try it for two weeks at least. If I do it again I think that I should do a low carb version of JUDDD. Just wondering how your experience went since you came right back to HCG.

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by kaylem

Okie dokie--I just wanted to jump back in and update my day b/c this morning was such a quick "celebratory" post.

Yesterday, I went ahead and did some additional measurements when I woke up to no loss--I just couldn't believe it b/c I FELT smaller. Sure enough, I had dropped at least 2 inches at my waist, hips, and thighs--so I felt redeemed!

Kay

The tape measure is my friend when the scale is not!

Originally Posted by Shrinking

Seagulls in BC, Ravens(super scary) in AB, Gophers in SK, and Magpies in MB. Annoying rodents(haha) everywhere !! Want me to mail you my son's slingshot??

I love birds, but when the crows are nesting I am scared for my life. Those little jerks will dive bomb a girl just to prove a point.

Originally Posted by MagieDen

Loaded for 2 days this past weekend and gainned 3 lbs. Weighed this morning on VLCD #2. and I am down 4.2 lbs. So I lost the load weight and lost another 1.2 lbs. I'll take it! I forgot how great the first week losses are so I need to remember this when I go into the 3rd or forth week when losses may come to a slow down or even stall. Have a good Tuesday everyone!

Oh I also walked 1 mile on my treadmill on Monday!

I remember week 1 and 2 fondly. *sigh*

Originally Posted by Reddy

Haven't read the other posts yet, will go back and do that, I just wanted to post b/c I'm feeling frustrated.

I know that the third week it's expected for the losses to slow down or crawl but the past few days have been slight gains. Period is due tomorrow and I usually retain a few days before and then by the middle it starts to drop back off but my last day is supposed to be Friday so I'll still have my period for my LIW and the number will probably not be great.

So It looks like I'll have only have lost 10lbs for the round which isn't terrible but it's frustrating that I need to eat VLCD for the next several days and get nothing for it you know?

My stats for the last few days:

VLCD 12 - 156
VLCD 13- 155.4
VLCD 14 - 156
VLCD 15- 155.2
VLCD 16 - 155.8

So would this be considered a stall? It's basically just back and forth fluctuating between 155 and 156 for the past 5 days. Should I try an apple day or is it not even worth it since I know that this is most likely TOM related?

I did ride my bike 6 miles lately and I know exercise can cause water retention too but this sucks!

I'm so bummed out. I was hoping to end the round around 153 so I could try and stabilize at 155 for the long term.

I know how you feel, these slow days make it so hard to stay motivated. I have to constantly look at the big picture.

I have never bothered with an apple day. If you think it is TOM, I'd just ride it out.

[Jeanyyy]

Originally Posted by Reddy

So I KNEW I shouldn't have weighed again.

It may work for you ladies but I just got on the scale again and it was up .8 from this morning!!!

At 8am I was 156.8
At 10:45 am I was 156.6

All I've had today is water and coffee so that did not work for me and just made me feel worse than I already do about my numbers.

Reddy, what we were talking about is when we get to sleep in later and then weigh after peeing and before having coffee or water or anything else....

If I re-weigh after those things or even just one cup of coffee, I *always* weigh disproportionately more than my first weigh-in... you are not alone!! Also, slow weeks on HCG absolutely SUCK. Last week I only lost 1 lb the entire week but this week so far, I've lost 2.9 lbs... I'm sure it's TOM that is making your weight swing around and once it's past, you will see a nice drop. Stay the course

Down 0.2 lbs today, 21.9 as of Day 48... 184.9. It's looking like another week or 2 for me. I am SO ready for this round to be over..

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by SkepticalMe

Thank you, TMB, but I removed that post and posted it to my journal.

After all, I am the new kid on the block here and, after I posted it, I thought that some might think me very cheeky for posting a preaching postulating post...

...and I love alliteration.

But I'm glad that you identified with what I said.

It was well written, you don't have to hold back here!

[toomuchbooty]

Jeannyyy, you are a trooper. There is no way in heck I am going past 40 days. The main reason is that I intend to be in P3 in time for my boyfriend's birthday on March 3. There will be sashimi.

I'm down 0.2lbs, bah humbug.

I've come to the conclusion my scale is unreliable. This is the new scale I purchased because it was more pleasing to look at. Well, this morning I moved it around a few times to see how consistent it was. I ended up getting a number that was too good to be true. I grabbed an 8lb weight to check the accuracy. It was off by 4lbs! Ugh! So, I grabbed my old scale and weighed and got an accurate reading. Then, when I stepped back on the disfunctional scale it suddenly worked properly and gave me the same number.

So, remember...scales are stupid.

[MagieDen]

Wow, Jeanyyy you are doing great, hang in there!

[SkepticalMe]

Originally Posted by Jeanyyy

...as of Day 48...It's looking like another week or 2 for me. I am SO ready for this round to be over...

And one could scarcely blame you! That's a very long round, indeed!

At 48 days, this puts you nearly into 7 weeks. I'm curious as to why you've decided to complete a nearly 9-week round.

Is there an advantage to doing so?

I ask, because I am contemplating extending my 40-day round, but have no solid research for doing so.

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by SkepticalMe

Thanks for the welcome, quezsmom! I didn't lose all of that weight through hCG. In June of 2011 I weighed 250 and got down to 188 using hCG, and have a terrible time stabilizing in P3, so I'm back for another round. Because of the information I've learned from these forums, I'm hopeful that I will learn to stabilize correctly! I do have pictures and will post them sometime.

Yesterday was Day One of VLCD. I lost 1.4 pounds. I think that's pretty good, considering that my quasi-TOM (I'm menopausal) started on Day One of Loading.

I went to Jazzercise this morning, but took it easy. I will also take it easy when I do my resistance training tonight. This is the first time I've exercised while doing a round of hCG, and I'm reading conflicting information about it. I read somewhere that one shouldn't exercise while going hCG since (1) you need carbs to sustain exercise and (2) exercise may reflect gains on the scale, since muscle weighs more than fat.

I'll ask all of you. Do you exercise while doing a round of hCG?

I usually don't aside from some walking (and not THAT much) I did go for a 6 mile bike ride yesterday and the scale is up. Not sure it was the exercise- more likely TOM But I will say I was SOOO BEAT after that ride. Normally we ride 8-10 miles but I was drained. Must be the lack of calories!

Originally Posted by Jeanyyy

Reddy, what we were talking about is when we get to sleep in later and then weigh after peeing and before having coffee or water or anything else....

If I re-weigh after those things or even just one cup of coffee, I *always* weigh disproportionately more than my first weigh-in... you are not alone!! Also, slow weeks on HCG absolutely SUCK. Last week I only lost 1 lb the entire week but this week so far, I've lost 2.9 lbs... I'm sure it's TOM that is making your weight swing around and once it's past, you will see a nice drop. Stay the course

Down 0.2 lbs today, 21.9 as of Day 48... 184.9. It's looking like another week or 2 for me. I am SO ready for this round to be over..

Ah ok. That makes more sense! As for staying the course, I will definitely finish out my round the question is whether or not to go a little longer in hopes that the numbers will drop down after TOM. But that would mean going an extra like 5 days or so and I'm not sure I want to do that. I am not unhappy with where I am at (only about 5lbs from goal) But I was really hoping to come in under 155. At this rate, with TOM coming tomorrow, there's little hope of that happening by Friday. Hmmm

As for your losses and your round, that is a REALLY long round. I thought 40 days was the long one. I wonder if you're going to get much in the way of results in the next 2 weeks? I think if I were in your shoes I'd move into the P3 and then try again after P4 if you still want to lose more. I could'nt do a 40 day round personally.

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

It was well written, you don't have to hold back here!

Agreed. Really enjoyed reading that post!

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

Jeannyyy, you are a trooper. There is no way in heck I am going past 40 days. The main reason is that I intend to be in P3 in time for my boyfriend's birthday on March 3. There will be sashimi.

I'm down 0.2lbs, bah humbug.

I've come to the conclusion my scale is unreliable. This is the new scale I purchased because it was more pleasing to look at. Well, this morning I moved it around a few times to see how consistent it was. I ended up getting a number that was too good to be true. I grabbed an 8lb weight to check the accuracy. It was off by 4lbs! Ugh! So, I grabbed my old scale and weighed and got an accurate reading. Then, when I stepped back on the disfunctional scale it suddenly worked properly and gave me the same number.

So, remember...scales are stupid.

That's pretty nuts about your scale. Talk about fluctuations. I usually get on and off at least 3 times to lock in the number. It's usually the same but sometimes it will be a different reading at least one out of 3 tries. I hate the damn scale, I really do!

Originally Posted by SkepticalMe

And one could scarcely blame you! That's a very long round, indeed!

At 48 days, this puts you nearly into 7 weeks. I'm curious as to why you've decided to complete a nearly 9-week round.

Is there an advantage to doing so?

I ask, because I am contemplating extending my 40-day round, but have no solid research for doing so.

I wonder this as well. I personally feel like from what I've seen on the board, most people doing extended 40 day + rounds see such small results in the last couple of weeks that it almost doesn't seem worth it. As much as I can understand wanting to lose the weight now, I feel like you'd have better results overall by doing the shorter rounds even if it means it takes longer to reach your goal.

[Jeanyyy]

Originally Posted by SkepticalMe

And one could scarcely blame you! That's a very long round, indeed!

At 48 days, this puts you nearly into 7 weeks. I'm curious as to why you've decided to complete a nearly 9-week round.

Is there an advantage to doing so?

I ask, because I am contemplating extending my 40-day round, but have no solid research for doing so.

Well, one of the FB groups I am in says you can do up to 99 days or 40 lbs lost, whichever comes first. I ended R1 at 41 days and always regretted not sticking it out a little longer. The reason this time is to hopefully get under 180 lbs if I can.

Last week (week 6), I only lost 1 lb the whole week, but so far this week, it's 2.9 (1 more day left to complete the week). Now I know it's asking a lot, but IF I can lose another 5 lbs by doing 2 more weeks after this one, that would put me under the 180... assuming I can hack it, that is. So that is my reasoning..

[Jeanyyy]

One more thing to consider... I am a bit rogue in the sense that I do have HWC in my coffee, occasionally use a little CO when cooking, and I mix veggies and have others that are not on the original protocol, so I perhaps have a bit more variety in what I'm eating than others who are POP. Proteins/fruits and portion sizes are all as written, though.

[MagieDen]

Originally Posted by Jeanyyy

One more thing to consider... I am a bit rogue in the sense that I do have HWC in my coffee, occasionally use a little CO when cooking, and I mix veggies and have others that are not on the original protocol, so I perhaps have a bit more variety in what I'm eating than others who are POP. Proteins/fruits and portion sizes are all as written, though.

I could tell you were going for a certain number on the scale, nothing wrong with that at all it's an individual thing. I wonder however if you cut out some of the rogue items if you would see a better drop on that darned scale? You have 2 weeks so anything is possible at this point. Hang in there.

[toomuchbooty]

I don't think I'll do any more long rounds. I find that my psychological strength breaks down after week 3. Since I have so many more rounds to do (probably 4), I don't want to burn out.

In the end, I don't think one way is better than the other.

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

I don't think I'll do any more long rounds. I find that my psychological strength breaks down after week 3. Since I have so many more rounds to do (probably 4), I don't want to burn out.

In the end, I don't think one way is better than the other.

You look so think in your profile pic it's hard to believe you could do 4 more rounds. Not sure what your stats are but that seems like a lot.

[Jeanyyy]

Originally Posted by MagieDen

I could tell you were going for a certain number on the scale, nothing wrong with that at all it's an individual thing. I wonder however if you cut out some of the rogue items if you would see a better drop on that darned scale? You have 2 weeks so anything is possible at this point. Hang in there.

It might... but strangely enough, I have sometimes seen better losses after I used a tsp of CO the night before, for example... strange, but true (and more than once). I have tried and tried and tried to not use cream in my coffee and I HATE it... so allowing myself that one tablespoon 2-3x a day means I can stick with this. My first round, I went about 5 days with black coffee and found I was way too draggy and almost disoriented/light-headed. I had to do an audit with my boss at a very public, in-your-face type of event and we stopped at Starbucks beforehand. I caved, and got HWC in my Americano and I could *feel* the cream coursing through my body. It was the strangest sensation and I felt SO much better afterwards, both physically and mentally. Meanwhile, I had my packed meal of chicken "bites" and celery in my purse... which I did indeed eat very unobstrusively during the evening.

[Jeanyyy]

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

Jeannyyy, you are a trooper. There is no way in heck I am going past 40 days. The main reason is that I intend to be in P3 in time for my boyfriend's birthday on March 3. There will be sashimi.

Yummy is right!! You just reminded me of one of the reasons I ended R1 when I did. I knew I was going to do a R2 (and probably a R3) and I wanted to be in P4 over Christmas and load again on NYE/NYD...

I should mention that my P3 and P4 went like a CHARM. I never ever went over LDW and in fact, lost an additional 3 lbs over the 6 weeks. And I was eating around 2000 calories a day, high fat, moderate protein, lowish carb.

My, I'm a chatty Cathy today...

[MagieDen]

Well Jeanyyy you have to do what works for you and your body that is for sure. I never thought about making chicken bites to bring along. Is there any special way you prepare them? Inquiring minds would like to know.

[Jeanyyy]

I added a bunch of recipes to the P3 Recipe thread earlier today. In case anyone is almost at that point, here is the link: P3 Recipes - Feel free to add your own...

[Jeanyyy]

Originally Posted by MagieDen

Well Jeanyyy you have to do what works for you and your body that is for sure. I never thought about making chicken bites to bring along. Is there any special way you prepare them? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Oh, I just cut up 100 grams of chicken breast and tossed in a baggie with 1 crushed up melba toast + spices till the pieces were coated, then baked for 15-20 minutes in a 350 degree oven. Since they were small, it was easy to munch fairly sneakily while others were eating burgers and beer..

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by Reddy

You look so think in your profile pic it's hard to believe you could do 4 more rounds. Not sure what your stats are but that seems like a lot.

My face is always thin. I currently weigh 213.6lbs. I have a small frame (hence the thin face and thin extremities), but I should weigh closer to 140lbs. Even 4 rounds at 15lbs down per round would not get me to 140lbs.

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

My face is always thin. I currently weigh 213.6lbs. I have a small frame (hence the thin face and thin extremities), but I should weigh closer to 140lbs. Even 4 rounds at 15lbs down per round would not get me to 140lbs.

Ahhhh ok. From the photo I pictured you to be really tall lol!

You'll get there in due time!!!

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by Reddy

Ahhhh ok. From the photo I pictured you to be really tall lol!

You'll get there in due time!!!

I'm 5'6", medium height.

[MagieDen]

Originally Posted by Jeanyyy

Oh, I just cut up 100 grams of chicken breast and tossed in a baggie with 1 crushed up melba toast + spices till the pieces were coated, then baked for 15-20 minutes in a 350 degree oven. Since they were small, it was easy to munch fairly sneakily while others were eating burgers and beer..

This ones a keeper, could have used it yesterday when hubby dragged me out to a coffee shop later mid-morning before I could grab me something to take along. I know I can drink coffee on this protocol but he had me testing 2-3 different kinds of Joe and need I tell you I was sick. He rushed me home as soon as he realized I needed a little to eat so all turned out well. I will make these and keep them on hand for those unexpected road trips. Thanks!

[Reddy]

I have a friend who did HCG, she's the one who turned me onto it who is like 5'3 or something and she started at over 200lbs. She lost 65lbs in about 4 cycles and has kept it off for the most part!

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by Reddy

I have a friend who did HCG, she's the one who turned me onto it who is like 5'3 or something and she started at over 200lbs. She lost 65lbs in about 4 cycles and has kept it off for the most part!

That is awesome! I think I can do it. The trick is not to get complacent when I get to the 170's.

I think it will take me a good year to get where I want to be, but that's really not that long in the scheme of things!

[Jeanyyy]

Originally Posted by MagieDen

This ones a keeper, could have used it yesterday when hubby dragged me out to a coffee shop later mid-morning before I could grab me something to take along. I know I can drink coffee on this protocol but he had me testing 2-3 different kinds of Joe and need I tell you I was sick. He rushed me home as soon as he realized I needed a little to eat so all turned out well. I will make these and keep them on hand for those unexpected road trips. Thanks!

You're welcome, Maggie.. It's funny the little things we do that we take for granted. I usually pre-cook a few portions of chicken breast (poached or baked) and keep them in the freezer for office days. I generally saute them a bit in the morning and take with a salad or leftover veggies and voila! lunch is portable

[Jeanyyy]

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

That is awesome! I think I can do it. The trick is not to get complacent when I get to the 170's.

I think it will take me a good year to get where I want to be, but that's really not that long in the scheme of things!

TMB... I have to ask.. What is the significance of "Syrup Sucking Icehole" in your signature?

[toomuchbooty]

Originally Posted by Jeanyyy

TMB... I have to ask.. What is the significance of "Syrup Sucking Icehole" in your signature?

That is what Stephen Colbert called Canadians during the 2010 Olympics.

[Jeanyyy]

Originally Posted by toomuchbooty

That is what Stephen Colbert called Canadians during the 2010 Olympics.

Hahahaha... too funny!