HCG to JUDD-recommendations?

[miamiloca]

I know a few of you have used it maintain, maybe a few have used it to lose? I would like to know how you transitioned. Im currently in P2-I'll be doing a 23 day round and then will transition to P3 for 3 weeks, then im thinking JUDD. Would this be a good time to start, or should i complete a P4 all the way through?

[C'Marie]

Hi Mia!

I did JUDDD straight out of P2. It was a little tough, because of the 500-calorie down days "induction" after doing all 500-calorie VLCdays. I maintained very well with it in the short term. I had another hormonal and medicine blip that caused some issues and I'm up from the holidays and trying to work my way down again. But I do recommend JUDDD. If you have problems with insomnia, just be aware it may set that off, IF'ing in general can do that for women for some reason. I'm doing better with it now.

Since your plan is to do a 3-week P3 regular, I think you'd be fine to cycle calories on P4.

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by miamiloca

I know a few of you have used it maintain, maybe a few have used it to lose? I would like to know how you transitioned. Im currently in P2-I'll be doing a 23 day round and then will transition to P3 for 3 weeks, then im thinking JUDD. Would this be a good time to start, or should i complete a P4 all the way through?

Hi miamiloca

I also pretty much went straight to JUDDD from P2...but what I did do was a 3 day FF...to avoid the bounce-up....it worked like a charm...I usually gain 2-3 lbs. W/I a few days in P3. I FF'd on last dose day, and then on the 2 VLC days w/ NO drops...the on to DD JUDDD. I LOVE JUDDD for maintenance. I wasn't technically trying to lose a lot...but when I added many carbs...I bounced up & then came down w/i 1-2 rotations. Awesome for special occasions...then I stay LC most of the time. My stellar maintenance was from Thanksgiving until New Year's...NEVER had to worry about being above LDW...but by +.6 (not even getting to the 2 lb. Window) right after 1st DD I was back down & then some.

[miamiloca]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Hi Mia!

I did JUDDD straight out of P2. It was a little tough, because of the 500-calorie down days "induction" after doing all 500-calorie VLCdays. I maintained very well with it in the short term. I had another hormonal and medicine blip that caused some issues and I'm up from the holidays and trying to work my way down again. But I do recommend JUDDD. If you have problems with insomnia, just be aware it may set that off, IF'ing in general can do that for women for some reason. I'm doing better with it now.

Since your plan is to do a 3-week P3 regular, I think you'd be fine to cycle calories on P4.

Hi C! Thanks so much for responding! I really think JUDDD can work for us (us is me and hubby). I find that I am losing my resolve in my last few rounds and really screwing them up, and screwing my weight up in the process. I have gained back about 28lbs or so from my LDW. I was able to maintain eating LC for a long time with the occasional bounce up of 5-10lbs, but always got back down within a few lbs or so. Til this past October. A bunch of stuff happened-we moved-hubby changed jobs-kids changed schools-holidays-vacation----and here i am. Hubby is in the same boat. We just slipped up one too many times and got out of control.We both feel like crap and want to fix it, but both of us feel like we can only handle one more round of hcg and are excited to try JUDDD! Thanks for the heads up about the sleep issues with IF. I didnt know that! Nice to still see you posting! I need to post more often too!
It gets hard sometimes w the 3 kids, household responsibilites, and my part time job! I do pop in and read though.....but really want/need to post!

[miamiloca]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Hi miamiloca

I also pretty much went straight to JUDDD from P2...but what I did do was a 3 day FF...to avoid the bounce-up....it worked like a charm...I usually gain 2-3 lbs. W/I a few days in P3. I FF'd on last dose day, and then on the 2 VLC days w/ NO drops...the on to DD JUDDD. I LOVE JUDDD for maintenance. I wasn't technically trying to lose a lot...but when I added many carbs...I bounced up & then came down w/i 1-2 rotations. Awesome for special occasions...then I stay LC most of the time. My stellar maintenance was from Thanksgiving until New Year's...NEVER had to worry about being above LDW...but by +.6 (not even getting to the 2 lb. Window) right after 1st DD I was back down & then some.

Hi Crazy!
Thanks for stopping in to respond! I am wanting to do a FF this round also, I heard it works really well for some people! Now im debating if i want to go straight into JUDDD from P2. So are you saying on your UD"s you still eat LC and only splurge on carbs occasionally?

[Tricialy]

I really like JUDDD - I completed P3 and then stayed fairly low-carb - went on a cruise (didn't follow the low-carb eating I'd been doing). Came back up 8 lbs. and then lost that and 3 more on JUDD in about 5 weeks to find my lowest adult weight ever.

I maintained well as long as I followed the plan. After the HCG 500 calorie portion - the down days are a piece of cake. I stopped counting calories on up days, which is where I got into trouble - enjoying the up days a little too much. I loved being able to eat whatever I wanted as long as I stayed in my calorie boundaries.

After this round - my plan is to complete P3 - then move into JUDDD - knowing adding carbs back in is going to show up on the scale, I won't weigh the first week of JUDDD, or I'll freak out - but by the end of the first week (based on my experience) that gain will be gone.

[C'Marie]

By the way, just so you know, I did JUDDD with P3 rules when I jumped into it right after P2. Not everyone does. I just wanted to follow the no starch/no sugar rules so I did.

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by miamiloca

Hi Crazy!
Thanks for stopping in to respond! I am wanting to do a FF this round also, I heard it works really well for some people! Now im debating if i want to go straight into JUDDD from P2. So are you saying on your UD"s you still eat LC and only splurge on carbs occasionally?

Yep...been working for me!!! I have to add...I use the lowest #'s on the chart...(max weight loss) 362/1862. It worked like a charm through the holidays. I really haven't had a chance to see what I could lose if I was doing it 100% w/o the holidays

[buttah]

Angela, I just noticed... we are both within INCHES of goal!

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by buttah

Angela, I just noticed... we are both within INCHES of goal!

Yes...whoo hooo

I'm 168.6 today...so -1.6 left to go for me...gonna stop at 167. I just wish I was farther along than a week into hHCG...but I knew that is what would happen when I started. On Friday...I will start 800 calories and incorporate other veggies...broccoli & gr. beans and add 1 TBSP. butter, oil, etc. to maintain...I think What I am really wanting is bacon, ranch dressing, & avocado

Today I finally noticed that my body has lost thru my hip bones since last week. I really have NO fat on some parts of my body...but plenty on others

[C'Marie]

Mia, I will be joining you soon decided to do another round after my birthday next week and then jump on JUDDD again.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Yes...whoo hooo

I'm 168.6 today...so -1.6 left to go for me...gonna stop at 167. I just wish I was farther along than a week into hHCG...but I knew that is what would happen when I started. On Friday...I will start 800 calories and incorporate other veggies...broccoli & gr. beans and add 1 TBSP. butter, oil, etc. to maintain...I think What I am really wanting is bacon, ranch dressing, & avocado

Today I finally noticed that my body has lost thru my hip bones since last week. I really have NO fat on some parts of my body...but plenty on others

When I was paying for bootcamp, the mod over there had us add in 300 calories of fat when those reached goal and needed to up the calories to maintain rather than just lose. I added in 300 calories of mayo--makes a great dressing for your lettuce when added to mustard and a tad of Splenda (you can use what sweetener you normally use) and a dash of cayenne for the spice. I loved those days when I added in that dressing---felt so indulgent. Lucky you

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by miamiloca

Hi Crazy!
Thanks for stopping in to respond! I am wanting to do a FF this round also, I heard it works really well for some people! Now im debating if i want to go straight into JUDDD from P2. So are you saying on your UD"s you still eat LC and only splurge on carbs occasionally?

If you decide to do a FF while on hcg, let me know. I have that in the back of my mind to do and since this round is awfully slow, just might do one myself! I am also contemplating going into a JUDDD P3 as well---something I suggest others don't do I want to lose more when I am done with this round as it seems I won't reach goal this month. I don't suggest it because coming off of P2 you are so deprived (or at least I feel deprived) and want to restore those stores of protein that have been depleted. But if it worked for C'Marie, it can work for us too!!!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

C Marie, when on juddd what do you eat on your down days and up days? This diet fascinates me. Thank you

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

is there a page for acronyms anywhere

FF=? fasting of some sort?

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

FF: Fat fasting

[miamiloca]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Mia, I will be joining you soon decided to do another round after my birthday next week and then jump on JUDDD again.

Hey! I hope you do better than me. Once again--i seem to have lost my resolve. I really dont think hhcg is working correctly for me anymore. Add in to that i dont seem to have any willpower anymore. I think it's time to shake things up a bit and try something new. I can always revisit hhcg again in the future.

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

C Marie, when on juddd what do you eat on your down days and up days? This diet fascinates me. Thank you

Anything I want, unless I'm in P3 after hcg and following P3 rules, which is just no starch no sugar. I just have to count.everything.that.goes.in.my.mouth !!! on both DD and UD or I can get derailed.


Example:
Yesterday,an UD, I could go to 1700-1800 calories, I had:
eggs and bacon for breakfast.
skipped lunch (ate breakfast late)
8 hazelnut/rice Gluten-Free crackers
1 tbls 1/3 lower fat cream cheese
4 olives
chicken drumstick meat
glass of wine
1/2 cup clemmy's sf ice cream

ff yogurt with SF torani syrup for bedtime snack with 6 almonds

1452 calories


on downdays, I eat my protein first thing in the morning. Everyone is different, some people find that IF they eat, they get hungry, so they fast until dinner, kinda like a steak day. I find just the opposite. I eat a late breakfast anyway, that's just my schedule, then I eat a good 30 grams of protein for breakfast, either eggs/bacon or a protein drink or a combination thereof, then I skip lunch, and have a light dinner. If I don't do that, I get a raging headache due to my adrenal issues. I also usually eat some fruit or veggies, and occasionally I up my fats on purpose, and sometimes I go extreme lowcarb. I can do whatever works for me at the time. Sometimes I even incorporate an actual hcg correction day into either an UD or a DD depending on the calories of the correction day.

The JUDDD threads are full of information, and the JUDDD BUDDDS are super nice and welcoming. You can do whatever works for YOU on DD and not be considered off-plan. Some people fast the entire day and have literally nothing but coffee/broth/tea, some people fast the whole day and then have like 200 calories for dinner, some people eat 50 calories like every hour! (really!), some do low carb, some don't, some people eat higher calories on their DD than others - it really varies. The main thing is to find what works for you.

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by miamiloca

Hey! I hope you do better than me. Once again--i seem to have lost my resolve. I really dont think hhcg is working correctly for me anymore. Add in to that i dont seem to have any willpower anymore. I think it's time to shake things up a bit and try something new. I can always revisit hhcg again in the future.

So try JUDDD along with lowcarb. You might like it alot.

[miamiloca]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

If you decide to do a FF while on hcg, let me know. I have that in the back of my mind to do and since this round is awfully slow, just might do one myself! I am also contemplating going into a JUDDD P3 as well---something I suggest others don't do I want to lose more when I am done with this round as it seems I won't reach goal this month. I don't suggest it because coming off of P2 you are so deprived (or at least I feel deprived) and want to restore those stores of protein that have been depleted. But if it worked for C'Marie, it can work for us too!!!

Slow going here as well, Dawn. But i think it's my own fault. Seriously time to shake it up.
I think on my up days i will probably stay mostly LC with an occasional indulgence thrown in. My body likes fat and protein and i do well with it, it keeps me satisfied. As soon as i eat anything carby it's like a switch is pulled and im ravenous for more. Im hoping knowing i can eat good food every other day will keep me motivated. Ive totally sucked lately at the 23 day protocol of vlcd.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by miamiloca

Hey! I hope you do better than me. Once again--i seem to have lost my resolve. I really dont think hhcg is working correctly for me anymore. Add in to that i dont seem to have any willpower anymore. I think it's time to shake things up a bit and try something new. I can always revisit hhcg again in the future.

I have too (lost my resolve that is). I cannot do one more round. I cannot stick with this one either. I have gotten as low as my siggie to the left, but am up now So getting off the hcg and by the weekend I am in P3. I will eat a few days P3 style (my son's 7th birthday is Sat and I wanna eat!!) and then start restricting JUDDD style. I want to be stable as a rock like C'Marie and Angela once I am done with this round. I want to hold my LDW for a round, for once I can always do another round later on. But right now I am going out of my mind. I need food

[miamiloca]

Originally Posted by Tricialy

I really like JUDDD - I completed P3 and then stayed fairly low-carb - went on a cruise (didn't follow the low-carb eating I'd been doing). Came back up 8 lbs. and then lost that and 3 more on JUDD in about 5 weeks to find my lowest adult weight ever.

I maintained well as long as I followed the plan. After the HCG 500 calorie portion - the down days are a piece of cake. I stopped counting calories on up days, which is where I got into trouble - enjoying the up days a little too much. I loved being able to eat whatever I wanted as long as I stayed in my calorie boundaries.

After this round - my plan is to complete P3 - then move into JUDDD - knowing adding carbs back in is going to show up on the scale, I won't weigh the first week of JUDDD, or I'll freak out - but by the end of the first week (based on my experience) that gain will be gone.

Hey Tricia (Im Tricia too, btw!)
So did you find yourself just maintaining in JUDDD or did you gain because you let too loose on UD;s?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by miamiloca

Slow going here as well, Dawn. But i think it's my own fault. Seriously time to shake it up.
I think on my up days i will probably stay mostly LC with an occasional indulgence thrown in. My body likes fat and protein and i do well with it, it keeps me satisfied. As soon as i eat anything carby it's like a switch is pulled and im ravenous for more. Im hoping knowing i can eat good food every other day will keep me motivated. Ive totally sucked lately at the 23 day protocol of vlcd.

Me too hon. Me too I cannot do this anymore. I did well on JUDDD the last time. I love the eating every other day and restricting NOT every day I cannot wait til next week!!! The protocol seems to be harder with every round I do. I have gotten to the point where I just cannot last a week without a deviation This is soooo hard

[miamiloca]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Me too hon. Me too I cannot do this anymore. I did well on JUDDD the last time. I love the eating every other day and restricting NOT every day I cannot wait til next week!!! The protocol seems to be harder with every round I do. I have gotten to the point where I just cannot last a week without a deviation This is soooo hard

I feel the same. Really tougher with each round. Im also not respecting the "waiting times" between rounds either which is prob causing immunity issues. I didnt believe it before but i think theres some truth to it, even using homeopathic. Another thing i think is tough for me is that i maintained for so long with minimal effort and i was eating a TON of food, mostly p3 food (this was before my 2 months of craziness and subsequent weight gain). You'd think after all that id be ready to commit to 23 days. But no, I just want steak and lobster and blue cheese. Im ridiculous!

[dawnyama]

I never wait the allotted weeks between rounds. I did in the beginning, but as I got further along I couldn't wait! Here is to us both having a nice break from hcg, but success at JUDDD!!!! I just want to have a great salad with blue cheese dressing for Pete's sake!! And some heavy whipping cream in my coffee with out any guilt. Ah, the things we miss while in P2 LOL.

[miamiloca]

I think i"ll be pretty good at fasting if i know i can eat the next day. I know keeping your dd cal count below your low # is key to making IF work, but i wonder what happens on ud"s when you consume above your calorie count but are eating mostly fats and not the "normal" diet. (whatever that is) I have never really counted cals on LC but I know for sure my calories have to be sky high with the amount of fats i consume. Im gonna have to maybe cut down a bit i guess, even on ud's, to stay below that #. So how much blue cheese dressing can i have exactly? lol

[Tricialy]

Originally Posted by miamiloca

Hey Tricia (Im Tricia too, btw!)
So did you find yourself just maintaining in JUDDD or did you gain because you let too loose on UD;s?

I maintained well. My last round of HCG was January, 2012 - I went to Puerto Rico for Spring Break (I'm a teacher) - came back up above LDW - food and no doubt too many Piña Coladas. Started JUDDD right after Easter and got back to LDW within a week or two and then down to 131 by May 22nd (the last time I got on a scale). That was my mistake - in June we went on an Alaskan Cruise, came back a got back on JUDDD and from the feeling of my clothes - all the cruise food came off. Again, my mistake was not getting on the scale - but I was afraid - but still wearing size 6 pants, so I couldn't have been up too much. I think I was maintaining pretty close to LDW - until about Thanksgiving - I already knew I was going to do this round and I went crazy between then and Jan 7 when we started back to school. When I finally weighed on 1/7 - I was up 22 lbs. Totally my fault. but, I'm already down 11 - so by this Spring Break (another cruise). I am sure I'll be back down close to 130 between HCG then back to JUDDD.

I really love JUDDD - after HCG on and off over 2 years and a loss of abt. 60 lbs. - the down days were a piece of cake - and the up days were good until late Fall. one day I ate an entire can of corn, I hadn't had it in soooo long, being that between rounds of HCG, I stayed pretty low-carb. As long as i counted those corn calories, i was fine - but we started eating out a lot in November and that was my downfall - indulging too much.

Now, if I could figure out why I can't seem to stop eating once I start. I have a husband that likes a good steak but food isn't that big of a deal - I think about food ALL the time. The poor guy is so confused about what i can and can't eat right now. I am fortunate, he is very understanding. check out the JUDDD board -the people are awesome.

Sorry to ramble!

[C'Marie]

Tricia, I understand completely. I've had a stretch where there were too many UUAD (up up and away days) and it was hard to get back in line. That is where going extreme low carb, high protein, high fat for just a couple days, or even the potato hack (all potatoes, no fat of any kind) helped kill cravings, then easing back into JUDDD was super simple. It really is a gentler plan than guessing on P3/P4 and having to do correction days all the time. With JUDDD, every other day is some kind of correction but you get to choose the depth of it, IYKWIM.

[dawnyama]

C'Marie--I hate that about P3 too. It just seems to be a huge guessing game. And then all those correction days can make you crazy!! I cannot wait til I start JUDDD. Just knowing I can eat every other day is exciting. And I want to do that potato hack to get rid of my cravings. That is what kills me---I crave chocolate so badly that I just cannot do P2 any more. I remember my first round I didn't crave a thing---now I crave everything. Well, it is more than crave. More like a have to have than anything. And once I start, whoa boy. So the potatoes-----I cannot wait!!! I started the ptero yesterday in hopes it would help my hunger. So far, nothing. But 1 day is not an experiment or fair trial in my mind. P3 for me will be tomorrow at dinnertime. Looking forward to it.

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

HAve you guys tried the Injections instead of drops or others? I really dont have these cravings on the injections, i feel Satisfied. This is coming from a guy who probably was eating 2500-3500 calories a day before HCG... wherea typical day consisted of Breakfast Burrito (egg,sausage,bacon,potato, grilled jalepeno, coffee...Lunch: Pizza or sandwich and fries ,diet cokes...Dinner: Somewhat healthy as wifes mom cooks for us and is exceptional, but id have 2 plates as it ws sooooo goooood... than maybe an evening icecream of some sort for dessert... this was almost every day... then on W/E id do eggs and a lb of bacon for breakfast....and so on throughout the day....

I hear of people craving on Drops and pills, wondering if the Liquid HCG via injections has anything to do with it? Did you guys test your drops? I know its an extra $20 to do so but be assured it turns blue on the EPT strip...if not its just alcohol...

just my .02 worth

today 210.... down 16.5 lbs in 16 days...Hooray!!!