3rd Times A Charm...Some Do's and Donts of HCG Diet

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

Well this is the 3rd time on the HCG Diet...

First was Oct 2011 to Dec 2011 ..225 to 187..Lost around 38
Second was from May 2012 to July 2012..210-180..Lost around 30
Third Time (now) Jan 1 2013-Feb 2013...225-218.. 7 lbs in Week 1

First time around:
I really followed by the book as i had a friend and Wife who went through it and did fabulous. So me and a buddy did it together. I used Hucog injections and he did drops... His weight loss was very good too, around 45 lbs. He ended up gaining his weight back and then some as over the next few months and he is still really fat today. I lost the weight and felt invincible after the first Round 1 and 2 to where i was down to 32 pants again. Looking back, i feel i did not treat P3 of the protocol to the fullest... Again i want to say. looking back this is where i made my mistake... My plan was to get into a workout program like Body for Life or something to maintain loss, however I really enjoy food and splurged on weekends etc and eventually gained almost all the weight back. I made a committment then that if i do this again i wont fail bc i will join a gym or BFL program etc...

Second time around: May 2012-June 2012
I follow it but not as Rigid as i did in R1 and was pretty good for most part... I tried 42 days but i think i cut it short (around 30) as i knew i have 2 week no carbs still to go, where i think i kind of cheated there as well and cut that time frame short as well. (again i did not think P3 was that important, and after reading some things in this forum, im guessing that is where I F'up on... Again i was going to get in a workout program, but bc of 3 ruptured disc, i can no longer lift weights like before, so i bought the Insanity Video and did the Day 1 Test and started having chest pains real bad. Scary bad. My 2 brothers , 1 older and 1 younger that month had a triple bypass and open heart, so I freaked out... so i stopped it all and went to doctors where over next 2 months, i did blood work, Ultrasound/ cardio sonogram of the heart, stress test, , where when the dust settled, I received a Clean Bill of Health. Over the next 6 months, I slowly gained back all the weight and i feel now i am bigger than ever before. Im so discusted in myself and how i feel i failed twice.

What seems to happen is we lose all this weight, then feel we are Bullet Prooof. Go back to French fries, Burgers, Fried foods, fatty foods etc... Then before you know it we are doing another round. I dont know 1 person that has kept the weight off. Whats the Secret Folks

Looking back and reading i here (BTW, thanks to all the people who share and give feedback and support everyone in here)I feel i screwed up in P3 of all of them, That last 2 weeks seems like a lifetime, is it really that important?

So back to R3 as third time is a charm and again i promise to myself (again) not to let what happened the the first 2 times.... I love Rice, Breads, Potatoes and i bent the rules during P3... I need some help and guidance so not to REPEAT what i did before...



3rd Times a Charm
Week 1 Jan 1-Jan 6 start 225 - 218 Lost 8 lbs

What Works for Me:
IMO Injections are the way to go. You can get really thin needles only 1/2" Long and dont feel a thing when going into belly. Why I chose this is bc My friend i talked about in R1, I took his drops which he just bought (me too but gave to him) and i bought a $25 pregnancy test and it failed to show positive. Dr S says that alcohol will kill the HCD and alcohol is used to preserve the HCG, but in the meantime it kills it to where you are essentially putting water/alcohol under the tongue. Think about it...anyone can lose weight at 500 calories a day, and thats what happens with the drops. I would tell all people who are doing drops, buy a EPT and test your drops. I did mine and his and it came neg... the i took some HCG from my injections and turned BLUE right away. I told him there was no HCG in those bottle and gave him mine as he said he didnt care bc he was losing weight. TEST YOUR DROPS!

Here was pretty much my daily routine as i didnt care about repeating same foods day in and day out, I lost 35-40 lbs each round.. Yes i gained it back but that another problem i have, but the weight Loss worked great with the Injections and following the protocol. I tried to do all things that would choke the weight Loss process from No Lotions to Baby oil to changing shampoos, deoderant, tootpaste, etc.... On R2 of first go around i did not treat Loading right and was starving... so Load properly.. High Fats, ( i ate lots of Ice cream, avocados, nuts, butter, popcorn cooked in oil etc)... But if i was to do it again i would go very high FATS and very LOW Cards so not to gain weight between rounds.

Breakfast: 5:30am
Petes Coffee no Cream..used Sweat Leaf Stevia English Toffee
1/2 cup of Egg Beaters SouthWestern Style, with Hot sauce.
8 0z water

Snack 2 hrs after breakfast: 8am
1 red Fuji Apple
20 oz water

Lunch: 11am
4oz of Leftover protein from night before (chic/pork/beef/fish)
Green Beans
20 oz water

Afternoon Snack: 2pm
1 Orange medium or half Grape Fruit
20 oz water

Dinner: 5-6 pm
3.5-4oz of Protein, (chick/pork/White Fish/beef)
Green Beans Or Spinach or greens, etc
20 oz water

Late Snack 8pm
Melba Toast
20 oz water

well any feedback would be appreciated on how to keep off the weight as this YO Yo is killing Me.... Losing weight is easy, keeping it off for a Year is tough...Fire Comments Away...

Thanks, Vegas, Rich

[LaraSuzz]

Welcome Rich,
There are a few tips that I can suggest but no one is perfect, we've all struggled to keep it off and life gets in the way sometimes... I guess its important to find what works for you. In my case, I will tell you whats worked and hasnt worked for me.

I follow strict protocol I do injections...
I would say the first rule is no cheating during p2... and when you get to p3 no starch no sugar at all in anything even meats like italian sausage (bacon is ok) the better you lock this in, the better your chances will be to stay at last injection weight. You might want to stay in p3 until you stabilize and no longer see wild fluctuations. I truly believe that protein is key, especially eggs for breakfast and coffeee with cream. Some do a bullet proof coffee ( google it ) but I just do heavy cream.... it keeps you satisfied thu most of the day. You will notice that if you do this part well that when you do eat good carbs and sugar you wont see a spike.

Keep true to the 2lb over your last injection weight. Once it gets more than 2lb its too hard to control. Dont budge on this. always weigh yourself every day.

Once you reach p4 and you master adding in good carbs and sugars something changes... for me it was that I noticed if I went back to strict protein and liberal fats I actually lost weight. I knew this was an indication that my body was burning fats properly... a change Id never seen before. Atkins wasnt even working for me anymore before hcg came along. I knew that I could use this as a tool to loose more.

I think that I had to realize that bad carbs and sugar were something that I would have to eat as a once in a while treat... I knew that if I did do carbs and combined it with a lot of fat I was less likely to gain, and if I combined fat sugar and starch I knew what would happen. I will never get to go back to eating bad carbs the way I used to.
I just learned to really like protein and fat a lot.

Those are just my tips, heres something to review too. A Plan for Surviving P3, P4, and Lifelong Maintenance Good luck I hope you do really well. =)
Lara

[buttah]

P3 and P4 are the most important part of the HCG diet. And P4 is the rest of your life. I like to say the HCG diet is like getting something on a payment plan. You get to enjoy it almost right away, but you HAVE to keep paying for it or they'll repossess it.

That is my biggest tip!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by buttah

P3 and P4 are the most important part of the HCG diet. And P4 is the rest of your life. I like to say the HCG diet is like getting something on a payment plan. You get to enjoy it almost right away, but you HAVE to keep paying for it or they'll repossess it.

That is my biggest tip!

Love this

[shelbyla]

Welcome Rich!

You've gotten a LOT of good advice. No cheating in P2. No cheating in P3. Weigh everyday in P3 and forward. Make sure you stabilize. All priceless. If you'd like to look at an alternate plan to transition to P3, check out the last page of the HCG Short Form sticky. It is NOT strict Simeon's protocol but it's what I did last time around and it really helped give me a great start to P3.

A couple of things I would recommend based on your summary above. First, you've mentioned a couple of times that P3/no starch-no sugar is two weeks. It's actually THREE WEEKS. Be sure to plan for three full weeks of no starch/no sugar true P3 after your round. It's key to really nailing down that LDW.

Second, it appears that you have included a 3rd protein in your menu and have increased your protein portions? (Eggs for breakfast and 4+ oz of protein at lunch and dinner.) The original protocol only calls for 7oz of protein DAILY. If this is through a clinic with a different diet plan or you have deliberately upped your protein, that's fine. Just wanted you to know.

Third, ditto the above on the green beans. Not on the original approved list but again, many people deviate per a clinic or deliberately, especially around adding vegiies like beans, broccoli, and cauliflower. Your choice, just as long as you are aware.

Again, to LCF! Great group of people here!

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Welcome Rich!

You've gotten a LOT of good advice. No cheating in P2. No cheating in P3. Weigh everyday in P3 and forward. Make sure you stabilize. All priceless. If you'd like to look at an alternate plan to transition to P3, check out the last page of the HCG Short Form sticky. It is NOT strict Simeon's protocol but it's what I did last time around and it really helped give me a great start to P3.

A couple of things I would recommend based on your summary above. First, you've mentioned a couple of times that P3/no starch-no sugar is two weeks. It's actually THREE WEEKS. Be sure to plan for three full weeks of no starch/no sugar true P3 after your round. It's key to really nailing down that LDW.

Second, it appears that you have included a 3rd protein in your menu and have increased your protein portions? (Eggs for breakfast and 4+ oz of protein at lunch and dinner.) The original protocol only calls for 7oz of protein DAILY. If this is through a clinic with a different diet plan or you have deliberately upped your protein, that's fine. Just wanted you to know.

Third, ditto the above on the green beans. Not on the original approved list but again, many people deviate per a clinic or deliberately, especially around adding vegiies like beans, broccoli, and cauliflower. Your choice, just as long as you are aware.

Again, to LCF! Great group of people here!

first off, i want to say thx for all the help...your contributions will come back 10 fold.....

Right now im losing about 1# per day... should i regress to 7oz of protein a day? Maybe drop to 1 poached range free, organic as opposed to 2. Im an elevator service tech and during the day, im walking alot and being somewhat physical cleaning, etc when im not standiing in 1 place troubleshooting....maybe im burning more than the ave Joe? Dont know...I did buy a Weight Guru Scale..Love it.. does weight, Body Fat, Bone mass, Musc Mass water weight etc...
So are u guys recomending me drop 1 protein? Am I ok splitting up fruit for snack in between meals? Im trying to space out eating ev 2.5-3 hrs so i dont get hungry and metabolism stays on point...

again u guys rock and Thx for the advice...

Vegas Rich

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Vegas-Rich-RX

Right now im losing about 1# per day... should i regress to 7oz of protein a day? Maybe drop to 1 poached range free, organic as opposed to 2. Im an elevator service tech and during the day, im walking alot and being somewhat physical cleaning, etc when im not standiing in 1 place troubleshooting....maybe im burning more than the ave Joe? Dont know...I did buy a Weight Guru Scale..Love it.. does weight, Body Fat, Bone mass, Musc Mass water weight etc...
So are u guys recomending me drop 1 protein? Am I ok splitting up fruit for snack in between meals? Im trying to space out eating ev 2.5-3 hrs so i dont get hungry and metabolism stays on point...

again u guys rock and Thx for the advice...

Vegas Rich

Hey Rich! Congrats on how well you're doing. I'm going to point back to P&I here, just because I don't have an exact answer for you. According to the original documentation...

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The diet used in conjunction with HCG must not exceed 500 Calories per day, and the way these Calories are made up is of utmost importance. For instance, if a patient drops the apple and eats an extra breadstick instead, he will not be getting more Calories but he will not lose weight. There are a number of foods, particularly fruits and vegetables, which have the same or even lower caloric values than those listed as permissible, and yet we find that they interfere with the regular loss of weight under HCG, presumably owing to the nature of their composition. Pimiento peppers, okra, artichokes and pears are examples of this.
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Just as the daily dose of HCG is the same in all cases, so the same diet proves to be satisfactory for a small elderly lady of leisure or a hard working muscular giant. Under the effect of HCG the obese body is always able to obtain all the Calories it needs from the abnormal fat deposits, regardless of whether it uses up 1500 or 4000 per day. It must be made very clear to the patient that he is living to a far greater extent on the fat which he is losing than on what he eats.
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Now, that said, you are of course free to do as you choose and as your body tells you. The program can be adjusted however you like. Since you are losing at a good pace, I'm not sure that I would necessarily change anything. As long as you understand that you are not following the original protocol and are choosing to do so, everything is fair game!

As far as splitting up the fruit, that's also fine and perfectly on protocol. Some people have found they do better fasting for breakfast or always having protein with their meals to avoid a blood sugar rush from fruit or starch alone. But if it's working for you, there isn't any problem with splitting it up. (I WOULD encourage you to look into the noted benefits of intermittant fasting, as I do think that the whole keeping your "metabolism on point" thing is another highly exaggerated benefit based on questionable studies.) Again from P&I...

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There is no objection to breaking up the two meals. For instance having a breadstick and an apple for breakfast or an orange before going to bed, provided they are deducted from the regular meals. The whole daily ration of two breadsticks or two fruits may not be eaten at the same time, nor can any item saved from the previous day be added on the following day.
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HTH!

[dawnyama]

Shelby--thanks for posting this. I love reading snip-its here and there from P&I. I also needed to hear that today. I am wondering why my weight loss is practically stalled. I am going to keep on keeping on and hope my body gives up the fat, knowing that I won't quit!!!

[Sleepy]

best of luck to you and follow the plan you choose to a "T"
i do the 800 plan and have had just as much success if not more than on the 500 and you get to eat more
and kept the weight off

[marion93]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

best of luck to you and follow the plan you choose to a "T"
i do the 800 plan and have had just as much success if not more than on the 500 and you get to eat more
and kept the weight off

Funny, I have been looking at the 800 plan. I keep going back and forth about if I should do it or not. Today is load day one so, I had better decide quick!

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

Shelbyya... If you wouldnt mind....is there a chance you could give say a 3 consecutive day eating showing time u get up, til the time u go to bed? It sounds like i need to adjust... I think I may be eating too much protiein,,,damn might be too many calories too..Im having a hard time finding what exactly food is worth caloric wise. Here was today

Went to bed 9pm pst get up 5am pst:

5:00 am pee and weigh in
5;05 AM: make Strong Petes coffee, 16 oz with splenda.
515 AM Poached 2 eggs in micro with ground pepper.

Snack: 8:30 Orange small Naval

Lunch 11am: heat up 1/2-3/4 cup cooked Spinach. Heat up 3-3.5 oz grilled Pork Chop, Apple

5:30Pm: Salad with Sliced tomatoes, A fw sliced Red Onions, a few Sliced Cucumbers, a few sliced raddish... Dressing Lime juice fresh and a little Veggie broth mixed with ground pepper and apple cider vinegar...

evening snack : 8pm maybe a cracker or a raddish or something just to put in belly small.

water throughout the day flavored with a splash of crystal light....

thx again

[LaraSuzz]

If it aint broke don't fix it I say.... if you stall for 4 days or more I would follow Simeons plan...
Lara

The Diet
The 500 Calorie diet is explained on the day of the second injection to those patients who will be preparing their own food, and it is most important that the person who will actually cook is present - the wife, the mother or the cook, as the case may be. Here in Italy patients are given the following diet sheet.
BREAKFAST:
Tea or coffee in any quantity without sugar. Only one tablespoonful of milk allowed in 24 hours. Saccharin or other sweeteners may be used.
60
LUNCH:
1) 100 grams of veal, beef, chicken breast, fresh white fish, lobster, crab, or shrimp. All visible fat must be carefully removed before cooking, and the meat must be weighed raw. It must be boiled or grilled without additional fat. Salmon, eel, tuna, herring, dried or pickled fish are not allowed. The chicken breast must be removed raw from the bird.
2) One type of vegetable only to be chosen from the following: spinach, chard, chicory, beet-greens, green salad, tomatoes, celery, fennel, onions, red radishes, cucumbers, asparagus, cabbage.
3) One breadstick (grissino) or one Melba toast.
4) An apple or an orange or a handful of strawberries or one-half grapefruit.
DINNER:
The same four choices as lunch.
The juice of one lemon daily is allowed for all purposes. Salt, pepper, vinegar, mustard powder, garlic, sweet basil, parsley, thyme, majoram, etc., may be used for seasoning, but no oil, butter or dressing.
Tea, coffee, plain water, or mineral water are the only drinks allowed, but they may be taken in any quantity and at all times.
In fact, the patient should drink about 2 liters of these fluids per day. Many patients are afraid to drink so much because they fear that this may make them retain more water. This is a wrong notion as the body is more inclined to store water when the intake falls below its normal requirements.
The fruit or the breadstick may be eaten between meals instead of with lunch or dinner, but not more than four items listed for lunch and dinner may be eaten at one meal.

[dawnyama]

Try this for starters of the P&I:

HCG diet short form

written by our very own Shelby!!

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

im concerned with no real food say from dinner 6pm pst to 11 am Lunch the next day.. with only coffee for breakfast...wont your body store food as fat than since it thinks its being starved for 17 hours no food... then in next 8 hours you pull down 2 meals lunch and dinner?

seems if you space those out every 2.5-3 hrs it will kick metabolism up to high gear? No?

alos where does one put the ticket progress at and what part of code does he c/p? HTML, BB Code or URL code and where here does he paste..could not find a signature in Profile anywhere..

thx a bunch
VR

[dawnyama]

VR---that is what the hcg is for!!! Otherwise you are on a real starvation diet LOL. But since you are taking the hcg, the body doesn't see it as that way. The hcg is pulling your fat stores, so the diet works NOT ONLY because you are eating so little. BUT BECAUSE you are doing the HCG WITH THE 500 calories. Believe me, I know it works. It works!!!! I eat my last bit of food at 6 or 7PM and eat my lunch the next day at 2PM. I have coffee and tea til my lunch time.

My meals go like this:

6:30 AM coffee
2PM 3.5 oz (weighed raw) chicken, 1 medium sized onion, 1 medium sized apple, melba
6:30PM 3.5 oz shrimp, 5 pieces of asparagus, 1/2 grapefruit, melba


You totally have to trust that this works. You are NOT going into starvation mode and no food will be stored as fat on the hcg----as long as you are not eating fat!!! This plan is a very low calorie diet. NOT a very low carb diet. You have to rechange how you think about this. Where did you get the information about doing the hcg diet? You have done other rounds so I assume you know this works. Wonder why you are so worried about the no eating thing.

[dawnyama]

Ah, I see in your post VR about kicking the metabolism into high gear. This plan will do just that all on its own with out any tweaking. The hcg is designed to work on your hormones----as long as you stick to the original plan. That is why Dr S can say it solves obesity. How great is that??!! You are on a plan that "cures obesity" because it does so on a hormonal level. You can do things to tweak it, but as Lara said you are losing so why tinker?? You are a male---you will lose 1 lb per day as stated in the Pounds and Inches. You CANNOT expect anymore. That is a very good rate of loss....the pound a day. I don't get that!!! I would be stoked to do as well.

Now, the original question you had about KEEPING the weight off.......follow the plan LOL. You have to do P2 correctly to lose the weight AND stabilize in P3. You have to do P3 right in order to stabilize at that new weight--the rules of P3 are no sugar AND no starches for 3 weeks. Simple. You follow through with P4, which Dr S says you can add those starches and sugars back in SLOWLY to find how you body does with them. You do that and you can keep the weight off!!!! Many have done it here.

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by marion93

Funny, I have been looking at the 800 plan. I keep going back and forth about if I should do it or not. Today is load day one so, I had better decide quick!

i find it way more easier to follow and stick to
my losses were the same if not better
i have a very active life and workout in the mornings and really need those few extra calories

best of luck to you

[marion93]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

i find it way more easier to follow and stick to
my losses were the same if not better
i have a very active life and workout in the mornings and really need those few extra calories

best of luck to you

Is that the Sonia Russell plan? I have her book on kindle (but not the updated one).

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Vegas-Rich-RX

Shelbyya... If you wouldnt mind....is there a chance you could give say a 3 consecutive day eating showing time u get up, til the time u go to bed? It sounds like i need to adjust... I think I may be eating too much protiein,,,damn might be too many calories too..Im having a hard time finding what exactly food is worth caloric wise. Here was today
Went to bed 9pm pst get up 5am pst:

My meals are very like Dawn's meals but here goes...

5am - Up early, pee etc., workout
7am - Black coffee with lots of stevia
12pm - 100g chicken breast, 150g lettuce or spinach, dressing of ACV+broth+spices, apple
6pm - 100g beef/chicken/fish, 200g cabbage/endive/spinach/asparagus, sauteed in broth and spices, 200g strawberries
9pm - bedtime

This is my menu almost every day. I don't eat the melba/grissini so sub in more veggies.

Originally Posted by Vegas-Rich-RX

im concerned with no real food say from dinner 6pm pst to 11 am Lunch the next day.. with only coffee for breakfast...wont your body store food as fat than since it thinks its being starved for 17 hours no food... then in next 8 hours you pull down 2 meals lunch and dinner?

seems if you space those out every 2.5-3 hrs it will kick metabolism up to high gear? No?

alos where does one put the ticket progress at and what part of code does he c/p? HTML, BB Code or URL code and where here does he paste..could not find a signature in Profile anywhere..

thx a bunch
VR

The idea of eating every two or three hours to "kick your metabolism into high gear" is outdated science. There is actaully a lot of evidence that this keeps insulin levels artificially and dangerously elevated for longer than they need to be. Google benefits of intermittent fasting.

THAT SAID...Dawn is entirely correct. The hCG hormone mobilizes the stored fat in your body. You actually are NOT consuming 500 calories per day. You are consuming, as an estimate, 3500 calories: 500 from the food you are eating and 3000 from your own fat stores. Because of the hCG, those calories are available in your blood for your body to burn. It is more metabolically difficult for the body to mobilize those fat stores than to convert food which is why a lot of activity can make you more tired on hCG. It DOES work though.

All of THAT said, you are losing fantastically. Men lose a lot more and faster, generally, than women. I not sure I would cut out the extra protein unless or until your loss slows down or you stall. If you were to make a tweak, I would go to egg whites only in the morning and regular protein portions (100g/3.5oz) for your other meals but that is entirely up to you! I DO think it is very important to do your 3 weeks of P3 cleanly to make sure you stabilize.

HTH

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

i find it way more easier to follow and stick to
my losses were the same if not better
i have a very active life and workout in the mornings and really need those few extra calories

best of luck to you

I remember you telling us you do much better on the Omaha plan. Glad you found something that makes P2 workable for you

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

Thx Dawn and Shelby for your input and advice... you guys are the Veterans with this Protocol. Even though Im on R3, I know it works...

To answer your ? Dawn, I got Protocol from a friend who lost over 100 a few yrs ago..not sure where he is today as I left that building i was working in with Him... His wife did it to and both did fabulous... they were anal with everything.. Right down to the toothpaste to use, the mens deoderant to use, the shampoo to use, etc... They did drops, I did injections ... Clarion the first time and Hucog the last 2.....

I met a friend tonight to play Craps in Vegas for an hour and he seen me (he hasnt seen me in months) he couldnt believe i gain it all back and some.... so i really need to keep if off this time... I VOW to follow p3 to the 'T'... I bought a bunch of Protein drinks and Protein bars so i can eat more on P3 and keep those Carbs off.. its basically an Atkins for 3 weeks right?

I just think i dont fully Understand how it works and i let traditional thinking (no eating for 17 hrs would store fat) interfere with what the Hormone is really trying to do...I have a theory, that says Duplicate what successful people do. you two been there done that, so you laid out a plan for and gave some example to follow, so that food enough for me... Ill do the Lunch and dinner meals and Coffee for breakfast and see how that goes...

Does anyone know how to put up ticker in signature?

[C'Marie]

Rich, just so you know, lots of people eat more protein. I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If you can do without it, do. But if you can't, and it means bailing or cheating, eat the protein! I have friends (males) that nearly doubled the protein and did great. Lost as much as the time they did 100% protocol. Sucks to be me. I cannot eat any more or I don't lose

[dawnyama]

Rich--if you have to have the whys about the protocol, google Pounds and Inches by Dr Simeons. He goes into detail about how it works and gets all technical. I never got through it, but you might be able to. I will give you another example of what I ate yesterday:

5AM wake up, pee, take pellets
6:30AM coffee
11AM take more pellets
12 PM coffee
2PM chicken (3.5 oz weighed raw), cabbage, apple, melba
4PM cup of tea
6:30PM chicken (3.5 oz weighed raw), asparagus, 1/2 grapefruit, melba
10:30PM last dose of pellets

I drink 3 32 oz jugs of water daily. Just sip on it all day long. I bake my chicken with minimal spices (onion powder, garlic powder, dash of cayenne powder). Cabbage is fried using water--we are not allowed oils so water will have to do. I dropped 0.4 lbs by eating this. Pretty good since I am close to goal!!!

You can do this!!!

And Marie--I could never add those things. Sucks to be small, eh?

[C'Marie]

@Dawn, ha ha, no one has ever called me "small" so I dunno about that! I am 5' 4.5" but very muscular and now of course I have lots of extra skin so no matter how little I weigh (although I weigh aLOT still) I still look medium at best, not small. But that's ok. If I hadn't done hcg I would be still 100+ pounds heavier and still be a 3x! Yes, I have to be really strict like you to lose!

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

ok I see a lot of variables to after P3..so thats p4 right? So what are some recomendations for me... I was thinking about doing some sort of workout program..IE.. P90X or Insanity or like a modified Body For Life...

My goal is to be around 180-190 at this point and try to trim Body fat and put on muscle, so muscle weighs more so ill take that trade off... I need to make this a Lifestyle... Been watching these movies with my wife about Animal cruelty...Cattle, Pork, Chicken Cruelty and how all the hormones and all and the Lies the farms tell us about Organic and Range free and whats allowable to be considered Range free (a 3x 3 cage) is range free... Lifestock sitting all day in 12-18 of **** that looks like mud until they are slottered... What their injected with and ingrained in food for growth just make you vomit...

We have netflix and you can search netflix about a bunch of these and watch... I reccomend it... Then make a conscious choice... Wife wants to eventually go Vegan... Shes been juicing alot of late... Speaking of Juicing, can one Juice on HCG? or do we need all the fiber? im confused with that and would like some help there...

thanks again... and ladies , if that current pic of you all...damn...Look Great!!!!

[dawnyama]

No, no juicing on hcg. You have to get your protein. You really should read Pounds and Inches. Once you get to your goal weight on P2, you do your P3 and then once you start P4 you can juice. Concentrate on weight loss first, then stabilizing, then get going on your lifestyle change. You have already started the ball rolling with the hcg, cannot stop that now lol.

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

No, no juicing on hcg. You have to get your protein. You really should read Pounds and Inches. Once you get to your goal weight on P2, you do your P3 and then once you start P4 you can juice. Concentrate on weight loss first, then stabilizing, then get going on your lifestyle change. You have already started the ball rolling with the hcg, cannot stop that now lol.

Utto... Ok, well Sunday For Lunch it consisted of this...3oz grilled chicken breast. My Vegatble and fruit consisted of 3 celery stalks, an apple and a beet head in the juicer and i drank my vegetable and apple... then dinner had 3 oz True Cod, celery, onions,tomatoes dice baked in veg broth...So I reALIZE BEET WAS PROBABLY BAD (SUGAR), IF I AVOIDED THAT , CANT I JUICE MY VEGGIES AND APPLE TOGETHER?

Monday: BF=BodyFat% MM%=Muscle Mass WW=water weight BM= bone mass
211.4 lb... 34.6% BF ... 34.6 MM ....44.5% WW ...3.0 Bone Mass

in 14 full days including loading (am i suppose to include loading as part of days) total weight loss 14,3lbs

TO THE START OF A GREAT WEEK FOR US ALL

VR

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

anyone know how and where yo put the ticker in for weight loss

http://www.TickerFactory.com/weight-loss/wT2zh1X/

thx

http://www.TickerFactory.com/weight-loss/wT2zh1X/

[Vegas-Rich-RX]

Weight Loss - Diet Ticker

[dawnyama]

Rich--I know you keep asking about a ticker. I have no idea on that one. So I cannot say anything about that. There is a sticky in the main lobby if you need help:

Instructions on how to add a ticker into your signature (pictures included!)

I am not computer savy by any means, heck I feel it is a miracle for me to come here and post LOL. And I am amazed I even have my pic in my avatar to the left!!! I had to have DH help me on that one. So I hope you find the answers you seek.