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[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Terri how many calories do you eat when you do hcg and a fat fast

[Dinalyn]

hang in there,whoosh fairy is delayed due to weather but is on her way

Originally Posted by TerriMM

Yay!! Glad things are moving along for everyone!!

My turn for a stall. On my previous FFs I've usually had a bump around day five. Well instead it's day eight after a stall. Up .6 today, goose egg yesterday. So I'm waiting for my body to catch up and hopefully get back going soon.

[TerriMM]

I’ve been averaging 1264/83%. Yesterday I tried upping the things to 1565/88% to try and get things moving, today I’ll back down a bit again. Sometimes when I alternate days it helps, but usually I lose more after higher calories. DH is coming home tonight though so I may have a glass of wine. We’ll see if I get the wine cheat tomorrow.

Thanks Dina, I’ll keep the light on.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

What do you eat on a fat fast? That is fascinating.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

What do you eat on a fat fast? That is fascinating.

Fat!!



Sorry, I just could not resist

Nuts, cream cheese, cheese, cream cheese muffins, fat bombs, heavy whipping cream. Here is a good thread for ideas:

**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

What do you eat on a fat fast? That is fascinating.

Eggs, heavy on the yolks
Avocado
Cheese
Salad, heavy on the dressing
Olives
Nuts, mainly Brazil nuts, pecans and macadamias are good too
Cream cheese, made into muffins, etc.
Butter
Mayonnaise
Heavy Whip Cream
Sour Cream
Alfredo Sauce
Low Glycemic Veggies topped with the above
Fatty Meat, like bacon, rib eyes, etc. topped with the above

The basics are High Fat, Moderate Protein, Low Carb. Very much like NK only lower calorie.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

You lose weight eating that way? How come you don't gain weight while taking hcg and eating like that? I would love to eat like and still lose

[EmBee]

I do lose when eating like that...excited for Friday weigh in. Trying to keep off the scale till weigh in and measure day.

[TerriMM]

Honestly . I’m waiting for Dana Carpender’s Fat Fast cook book to come out to help explain it. She has also done this with HCG.

This thread was started by a friend and she explains it this way (actually the whole thread is very informative):

**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**

**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**
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I thought since there are so many of us trying the Fat Fast this week, I'd start a thread for us.
Here is the explanation for the Fat Fast (thanks Cheryl!) and YES, you still take your hcg while doing this I hope some of the people who have been successful with this will chime in here and share their experience. I have to say that I wouldn't be doing this if I weren't feeling DONE with P2 and so darn close to goal! Starting my fat fast today so I'll post my menu in a little while. If I'm correct, most people on hcg who do this only follow the first step (in bold below). Not sure how following the second or third would affect us HCG'ers.

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Atkins Article : The Fat Fast
Counterintuitive as it may sound, if you can't budge the scale on Induction, a few days on this regimen may well allow you to break through metabolic resistance.

Certain individuals are so metabolically resistant that only more intense dietary restrictions prove successful. Once medications, thyroid problems and candida are brought under control, almost all overweight people who diligently adhere to the Atkins Nutritional Approach™ will lose and keep off weight. But for the small group of people for whom it does not work, more extreme measures are necessary.

To help these metabolically resistant people, Dr. Atkins has modified what he calls "the most effective weight-loss eating pattern ever described." British researchers Alan Kekwick and Gaston Pawan developed it, and Frederick Benoit and his team confirmed its superiority in burning off fat, compared to an absolute total fast. This extreme diet consists of 1,000 calories daily, comprised of 90 percent fat. No other weight-loss regimen has matched its ability to burn off stored fat. Dr. Atkins modified the Kekwick diet to make it as enjoyable as possible and dubbed it the "Fat Fast." He tried it on scores of patients and found it often worked for those who were unable to lose weight in any other safe, drug-free way.

The Kekwick diet forces the body into lipolysis so it burns its stores of fat. Lipolysis cannot take place if there is a significant source of glucose. Since all carbohydrates and some protein convert to energy by way of glucose, eliminating almost everything but fat from the diet forces even the most resistant body into lipolysis. That explains the 90 percent dietary-fat component. Lowering the caloric intake accelerates the need to burn up body fat—thus the 1,000-calorie limit.

The Fat Fast is one controlled carb program where you do have to count calories. You'll eat 1,000 calories a day, with 75 percent to 90 percent comprised of fat. Frequent feedings prevent hunger better than three meals a day, so you consume five feedings, perhaps one every four hours, comprising 200 calories each. Because of the high fat content and frequent feedings, very few people experience much hunger. The stumbling block for some people is the absence of conventional meals. But most are willing to stick with it for a few days, even if the food selections are unfulfilling.

Caution: The Fat Fast is actually dangerous for anyone who is not metabolically resistant. For people who lose weight fairly easily, the rate of weight loss is too rapid to be safe. But it carries very little risk for people who can barely lose on any other regimen.

Step One: Eat Mostly Fat Begin with five 200-calorie feedings per day and follow for four or five days. Each item equals approximately 200 calories:

one ounce of macadamia nuts or macadamia nut butter, two ounces of cream cheese or Brie, one ounce of tuna or chicken salad with two teaspoons of mayonnaise served in one-quarter of an avocado, two deviled eggs made with two teaspoons of mayonnaise, two ounces of sour cream and two tablespoons black or red caviar, two and a half ounces whipped heavy cream topped with sucralose zero-calorie syrup, two ounces of pâté (check label for fat content), two egg yolks (hard-boiled) with one tablespoon of mayonnaise

Step Two: Modify the Fat Fast If increasing the fat-to-carbohydrate ratio and cutting calories work, any dietary change in that direction might get the job done. Next, you can try four meals a day of roughly 300 calories for a total of 1,200 calories. That should work, too, and what it allows is definitely more appealing to the taste buds:

two ounces of beef chuck (do not drain fat) cooked in two tablespoons of olive oil two scrambled eggs with two strips of nitrate-free bacon two tablespoons of full-fat sour cream with a tablespoon of sugar-free syrup one-quarter cup chicken or tuna salad made with two tablespoons of mayonnaise three ounces of pâté (check label for fat content) one-and-a-half ounces of macadamia nuts

Step Three: Return to Induction Try the 1,200-calorie regimen for a week, then go back to Induction. Or simply follow the concept of increasing the ratio of fat to protein. No one should have to feel that losing weight is hopeless. Sometimes the key to achieving your goal weight permanently is quite difficult to adhere to, but rarely is it simply impossible.
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Nicole in beautiful Annapolis, MD

[Renee]

I could see how that would work


I could have sworn I posted here this morning but I guess not?

This morning I was back down 1.5 pounds, was basically at the weight I was prior to the GNO I had on Friday. It's annoying. Up and down up and down and no logical (that I know of) explanation. I drank something close to 100 oz of water today so I hope I see a drop on the scale tomorrow. I desperately want to be below 200 i can practically taste it!

[TerriMM]

It's definitely an inch vs. pounds week for me. I can see it in the mirror. I really expected a whoosh but only down .20.

Mirror, mirror on the wall
Sent the Whoosh Fairy
To us all!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Wow thank you for that Terri!

[Dinalyn]

bummed. up .5 today. and yesterday was a very on protocol day for me,lol
the only thing i can think of is i added an extra 20 minutes on my glider.

[TerriMM]

Exercise will definitely do it to me too. I was supposed to do slow burn yesterday, but wanted to break my stall so I didn't. Instead I accomplished nothing. So tonight slow burn. Tomorrow I'm considering a beef day; they have always been friendly to me in the past.

Happy Wednesday all! Let make this a "get over the hump day".

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Wow thank you for that Terri!

Anytime!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Morning ladies, 194.8 today. Think I'm going to give the popcorn a break today and eat that cardboard melba toast today. Lol I'm going to see if that will up my loss for tomorrow. I think the popcorn has little to much sodium for me. I may just need to buy the kernels and use an air popper to pop the popcorn. I loved loved loved my smoothie last night! 6oz 0% fat gy, strawberries, water, tiny bit of half and half since I didn't drink it in my coffee yesterday. It was a treat!!!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Dina, what did you eat yesterday and the day before? Last round I couldn't figure out why I was stalling and it turned out to be tomatoes and lean ground beef. But I had tomatoes and beef in the round before with out a problem. I think the lean ground beef is not agreeing with me this round either.


That's great Renee!!!

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Well ladies I tried something new, 100 calorie popcorn 97% fat free I added some coconut oil. Mmmmmmmm Way better than the melba toast. I Pray I didn't gain!!

I love to do this...sometimes add a little cinnamon

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Dina, what did you eat yesterday and the day before? Last round I couldn't figure out why I was stalling and it turned out to be tomatoes and lean ground beef. But I had tomatoes and beef in the round before with out a problem. I think the lean ground beef is not agreeing with me this round either.


That's great Renee!!!

Too many tomatoes will stall me...since they act like a fruit for me...just FYI, you may want to watch them

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Embee I was thinking about adding cinnamon, stevia and some coconut oil to them and see how that tastes lol

Ya I've only had 1 tomato this round. The last round I was having them everyday day then all of a sudden stall city.


Yesterday I made my smoothie, then made one for my 5 yr old twins. I put a banana in theirs, but let me let you. I miss bananas! Lol it smelled soooo good.

[Dinalyn]

so far i have not found any foods that i have a problem with. i did have a little braggs amino,and sometimes if i dont get enough water that will do it. loading on water today and see what happens tomorrow

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Dina, what did you eat yesterday and the day before? Last round I couldn't figure out why I was stalling and it turned out to be tomatoes and lean ground beef. But I had tomatoes and beef in the round before with out a problem. I think the lean ground beef is not agreeing with me this round either.


That's great Renee!!!

[Dinalyn]

i got to thinking about what i ate yesterday and remembered somthing new. i had got a jar of the walden farms carmel dip for my apple,and had it yesterday and today. then i looked on the ingredients and it says corn starch
so i guess ill be up again tomorrow ,but i sure hope not

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

I'm sorry dina, walden farms, do you see on the jar *may contain traceable calories?.... I didn't see that until the jar was almost gone! I was like really! Lol I was using the herb and garlic pasta sauce, like a lot of it too lol... But my goodness they put corn starch in it that's crazy, is it the "0 calorie kind?"

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

I put stevia, coconut oil and cinnamon on my melba toast!!! I put it in the microwave for 5 sec and I'm in heaven! It tastes so good!! Like cinnamon toast crunch or a cinnamon roll!

[Dinalyn]

It says zero.but
I use the mayo to and i see it has it to.its weird tho cause ive lost while using mayo.mite be over thinking and its just the added exersize .tomoorrow mite be a pleasent surprise or a loud cuss word.lol

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

I'm sorry dina, walden farms, do you see on the jar *may contain traceable calories?.... I didn't see that until the jar was almost gone! I was like really! Lol I was using the herb and garlic pasta sauce, like a lot of it too lol... But my goodness they put corn starch in it that's crazy, is it the "0 calorie kind?"

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Oh how about this, I just noticed today,took the Walgreens brand allergy pill last night. And I see today there is corn starch in it. I never would have thought to check medicines too

[Dinalyn]

its hiding everywhere!

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Oh how about this, I just noticed today,took the Walgreens brand allergy pill last night. And I see today there is corn starch in it. I never would have thought to check medicines too

[Dinalyn]

im so bummed,up another.5 today. now its either the starch in the carmel dip,or what im really wondering about is the added 20 minutes on glider. i started that on monday,and since then i have been up. and my legs were kinda jumpy and sore last nite and this morning. i dont know if i should stop,and keep to my normal 30 min. walk with out adding in the glider time.or wait it out

[TerriMM]

Dina when I've had gains from exercise I seem to be able to back it off by exercising every other day. I would usually gain or stall the day after exercise and lose the next.

Well stall day #4 for me. Upping the calories didn't work, wine cheat didn't work, so today I'm trying a beef day. Please send Whoosh Fairy wishes my way

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

I put stevia, coconut oil and cinnamon on my melba toast!!! I put it in the microwave for 5 sec and I'm in heaven! It tastes so good!! Like cinnamon toast crunch or a cinnamon roll!

Sounds yummy

Originally Posted by Dinalyn

im so bummed,up another.5 today. now its either the starch in the carmel dip,or what im really wondering about is the added 20 minutes on glider. i started that on monday,and since then i have been up. and my legs were kinda jumpy and sore last nite and this morning. i dont know if i should stop,and keep to my normal 30 min. walk with out adding in the glider time.or wait it out

Exercise does make me slow down a little bit...but it is more than likely the water being held in the muscles...make sure you google what one pound of muscle and one pound of fat looks like....muscle takes up less space, but weighs the same

[Dinalyn]

Thank ill cut back and see what happens. sending whoosh fairy your way but send her back i need her ,lol

Originally Posted by TerriMM

Dina when I've had gains from exercise I seem to be able to back it off by exercising every other day. I would usually gain or stall the day after exercise and lose the next.

Well stall day #4 for me. Upping the calories didn't work, wine cheat didn't work, so today I'm trying a beef day. Please send Whoosh Fairy wishes my way

Thanks,thats interesting i will look that up

Originally Posted by EmBee

Sounds yummy

Exercise does make me slow down a little bit...but it is more than likely the water being held in the muscles...make sure you google what one pound of muscle and one pound of fat looks like....muscle takes up less space, but weighs the same