P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL JANUARY 2013

[pandora174]

I like to read and listen to everyone's hcg diet journey & then pick and choose what to apply to myself as well. I do agree that P3 is the most challenging as we are locking in that new weight.

To be honest I knew that my vacation gain was not true fat as I didn't think it would be humanly possible. But I did know it was inflammation, water retention etc and what better way than the protocol to get that off ? kwim I am surprised and happy it is coming off that fast. I keep preparing myself for the gain/stall day to come.

C'marie I think for me this last fiasco was a combo bad carbs, bad choice of alcohol, sodium. I realize if I had eaten cleaner and made better choices I would not have gained a ton but you unfortunately sometimes you have to make mistakes to learn.

I have always been fascinated with the fat fasting but for some reason too chicken to try it. Maybe I think that it will be hard to lock in that weight loss. That like with a correction day I steadily gain back to "where ever" my body decided it's new ldw was.

[dawnyama]

Angela--you are sooo rocking this hcg stuff!!! Congratulations to you!!!! I want to follow you when you do the FF. I was contemplating doing one, but need to now. I am back to losing so I am good! But do want to follow along with those that do it.

PS If you are interested, I am in the camp that thinks P2 should last 21 days and no less. I think you should stick with P2 (however you do it!) for those 21 days. Remember that it takes 21 days to form a habit----I think even biologically/chemically. So that is where my thinking comes from. It takes 21 days for those hormones to do its thing and be ingrained to be at the lower weight you end up at.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by pandora174

I like to read and listen to everyone's hcg diet journey & then pick and choose what to apply to myself as well. I do agree that P3 is the most challenging as we are locking in that new weight.

To be honest I knew that my vacation gain was not true fat as I didn't think it would be humanly possible. But I did know it was inflammation, water retention etc and what better way than the protocol to get that off ? kwim I am surprised and happy it is coming off that fast. I keep preparing myself for the gain/stall day to come.

C'marie I think for me this last fiasco was a combo bad carbs, bad choice of alcohol, sodium. I realize if I had eaten cleaner and made better choices I would not have gained a ton but you unfortunately sometimes you have to make mistakes to learn.

I have always been fascinated with the fat fasting but for some reason too chicken to try it. Maybe I think that it will be hard to lock in that weight loss. That like with a correction day I steadily gain back to "where ever" my body decided it's new ldw was.

I also have to add that when I eat out at restaurants, even if it is "clean food" (you know grilled chicken vs fried; an innocent salad bar) I gain weight. I would eat out while on low carb and not notice a gain. But when I would eat out on P3--eating the same foods as I had been for 10 years on low carb--I would gain. But then again, I do not/did not weigh daily while on low carb as we do on P3. But still.........I seem to be very sensitive to restaurant food in P3, after eating soooo cleanly on P2. I think the body becomes more sensitive to restaurant foods while in P3. And so hard to eat for a week or so on P4 in those situations too. That is why I believe you can lose so quickly on P2 after a vacation or cruise when you are not cooking the food yourself.

pandora---that FF just scares me too. I know that when I eat even slightly off plan on P2, I gain. I cannot imagine eating completely off plan in P2 and losing. I mean going from no fat to all fat is a huge turn around still fascinated but not sure if I could do it. That is why I am glad there are those that are willing to share it with us so we can decide for ourselves if we want to go that route.

[LaraSuzz]

I agree I like that we can all share our experience and if someone doesnt like it they can choose not to follow it. were all here to support each other.

[C'Marie]

Well, some of that 5 pounds has *whooshed* off - this morning down 2.6 after going back to LC. I had 1750 cals yesterday with plenty of fat and plenty of protein and moderate carbs. It probably was inflammation, due to who knows what. I am attempting a DD today but it will be a maintenance level DD and I will do a 500-cal one on Sunday. I want to get back close to my window before loading HIGH FAT LC when I start. My birthday is Wednesday so I will see what happens with my weight by then and see when I want to start. I will have one gluten-free cupcake for my BD. Every year for 3 years I haven't had a single off-plan thing for my BD - but I will this time even if I count it as loading. My brother is doing it "with" me but we are separated by distance and I dunno when he wants to start, probably a little later in the month. I probably will start a week or so from now, seeing how long it takes me to feel ready.

[buttah]

I love hearing people's experiences!!! And I don't feel anyone on this site passes themselves off as an expert or a scientist. That's why I don't post on any other HCG forum.

C'Marie - yay for the WHOOSH!

[fiveninepointfive]

Today, I bought the world's largest coffee mug! If I had to guess, I would say that it is 30 oz. It is cracking me up, at the moment.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by buttah

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Has anyone who does homeopathic had their fat loss measured, or measured it with a fat monitor (my personal method)?

I had a couple of body fat composition tests done before and after my rounds, by a couple of different methods. Let's see if I can find them...

Ok. Here's what I have. Not completely complete and not super consistent so I'm not sure what to believe. I know that the water displacement test is really the only accurate way to measure this. If you believe the results below, I lost SOME muscle mass but mostly fat. I attribute this to the fact that it takes less muscle to cart around 140 pounds vs. 210 pounds. I will also say that the last couple of re-do rounds have only succeeded in making me leaner. I am a full size smaller now than I was when I finished my first goal round last January.

Pre-round 1
Weight - 210
Approx LBM - 130 (measurement method)
Measurement fat % - 38%
Scale fat % - 42%
Body fat monitor (handheld) % - 44%

Post-round 1
Weight - 175
Approx LBM - 125 (MM)
Measurement fat % - 29%
Scale fat % - 33%
Body fat monitor % - N/A (didn't have access)

Post-round 2
Weight - 154
Approx LBM - 120 (MM)
Measurement fat % - 22%
Scale fat % - N/A (got new scale that doesn't measure BF)
Body fat monitor % - 24%

Post-round 3 (goal)
Weight - 141
Approx LBM - 117 (MM)
Measurement fat % - 17%
Scale fat % - 33% (wacked out reading on scale at work with clothes and having had coffee and water!)
Body fat monitor % - 14%

[shelbyla]

Hi everyone and HAPPY WEEKEND! (or almost weekend for everyone on the west coast! )

I've been super busy the last few days at work but I've been reading and trying to keep up. I've re-incorporated exercise at 4:30am and it is kicking my bootie. But frankly, when I wake up and think, "I could just go back to sleep for an hour in my nice warm bed," I follow that up immediately with, "But you are going to Mexico in two weeks and will be in a bikini." It's been enough to get me up and moving. Cranky. But up! Doesn't help that it's been bloody cold here in LA (like 40's) and it is wicked chilly in my garage!

Anyway, my weight has been pretty stable bumping around between 140 and 143 which is my sweet spot. Hoping that I can keep a handle on it in that range as even a few pounds on me at this weight makes my clothes fit differently. It remains to be seen whether my weight cooperates! Hoping it will for sure. I've been basically eating normal lunches and cutting back at dinner or on fruits if I see bumps up on the scale or if I'm intending to have alcohol that day. It seems to be working so far.

BTW: on the above bodyfat %'s, I have calipers but could never get the hang of it on myself.

Everyone have a fantastic weekend.

[LaraSuzz]

I know that I should be complaining but.... lol its day number 11 p2 and I STS this morning. Second 0 in three days. I am down 15 lbs, and I should be happy but I fear that it will make me crazy soooo.... might not be weighing until once or week or the end of the month or everyday since I know it will kill me not to. GRRRRRR. I eat the same thing every day, I know I could change it but when you do you run the risk of blaming it on that one food that you changed.....

[LaraSuzz]

Can we have tomatillos in P2? I know its not on the list but its related to the tomato...

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Hello everyone

I am going to be joining you this weekend. I have reached the maximum lowest that I can go. I am 166.6, and have to weigh-in at 168 in the evening. Today is last dose, and I am doing a FF today, tomorrow, & Monday...then on to JUDDD for maintenance.

Have a great weekend

[pandora174]

This is why I love this forum so much. I am always reading and lurking on other HCG forums etc. Lately I've only posted here after I've gotten some "off" advise elsewhere. Well I saw this moderator post this 1 comment & just had to copy it :

"The problem with dairy in general in a round is that for so many it's the base cause of their weight problem. I wouldn't try it myself. "

This is in response to someone inquiring about the milk in P2. Basically made them feel they were rogue for wanting their darn tablespoon of milk

[Jeanyyy]

That is pretty bad advice ... IMO, you should eat everything that is allowed rather than chance problems re-introducing it later. Unless, of course, you are allergic or whatever. I think even the little bit of starch that is allowed (ie melba toast) is so your body won't react to starches as if they are poison. But what do I know, that is just my opinion

[C'Marie]

I have never done a FF so trying it today. Altho my sweet hubs bought me bacon, he bought the turkey kind LOL so I fried it with butter I did the bulletproof coffee and it was yummy with a little cocoa powder. I just feel like mixing things up so I am. I mentally need to take control so that is what I am doing. There are too many things in my life I can't control, but what I am putting in my mouth IS one I can. I realize that is dangerously close to my former anorexia behavior but it is what it is at this point. There is a fine line here somewhere between relaxing and losing it, and between control and OCD/ED.

Just my musings.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by pandora174

This is why I love this forum so much. I am always reading and lurking on other HCG forums etc. Lately I've only posted here after I've gotten some "off" advise elsewhere. Well I saw this moderator post this 1 comment & just had to copy it :

"The problem with dairy in general in a round is that for so many it's the base cause of their weight problem. I wouldn't try it myself. "

This is in response to someone inquiring about the milk in P2. Basically made them feel they were rogue for wanting their darn tablespoon of milk

I cannot believe some people. That is ridiculous

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I cannot believe some people. That is ridiculous

I know right ? I am in no way a diet expert but even I know I became overweight from eating crap, chips, candy, junk food, drinking soda &beer, processed food, tons of sugar and eating out constantly and everyday without a thought as to what I was putting in my mouth! The least of my issues was dairy.

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Hi

Checking in....

Day #2 of FF(1st day of no dose)...166.6 lbs....so STS.

I looked back on my weight loss chart from my last round of hHCG, and did exactly the same thing. I STS the first day after, had a small +.4 gain, then had a -1.4 loss the next day...perfect maintenance thereafter of JUDDD. So...here's hoping I follow the same pattern the next few days.

Have a great Sunday!!!

[C'Marie]

@Angela, how'd your weigh in go last night? good job on STS!!!!! I hope you stabilize beautifully even though you did a short round.

[C'Marie]

My fat fast (1060 calories, 83% fat) netted me 1.8 down from yesterday. So with the 2.6 and .2 and 1.8 in the last 3 days I am ALMOST down the 5 # I gained losing control last weekend. Doing JUDDD again, and today's a DD. I am keeping it low carb even on UD right now trying to get back to my window, except on my birthday planning one GF cupcake then back to business! I will probably start next round at the end of next week and will only do fat fat fat no carbs. I need to make some serious progress. Also am hoping by doing low carb now I will be not having detox when I start.

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

My fat fast (1060 calories, 83% fat) netted me 1.8 down from yesterday. So with the 2.6 and .2 and 1.8 in the last 3 days I am ALMOST down the 5 # I gained losing control last weekend. Doing JUDDD again, and today's a DD. I am keeping it low carb even on UD right now trying to get back to my window, except on my birthday planning one GF cupcake then back to business! I will probably start next round at the end of next week and will only do fat fat fat no carbs. I need to make some serious progress. Also am hoping by doing low carb now I will be not having detox when I start.

I weigh-in at TOPS on Mondays. I'm sure I will be at the 168 or more. I am focusing on maintaining at 167-170. Hoping for this to be the setpoint...last time my setpoint was 173-175...and it seems like my body knew that and always took me back there. And, I know what to do if I go over So happy to be done...but I have to concentrate now

[C'Marie]

Well, Angela, I will be concentrating with you! LOL I hope my new round nets me 10 pounds more off and I will maintain it for 6-8 weeks depending on scheduling using JUDDD and then probably do another round right on its heels. I find no information anywhere that says how long to wait between rounds after round 6 and here I am going to begin round 8. My last round ended beginning of June last year. Dr. S said a great amount of weight can be lost with hcg if you do it with the breaks, and he wasn't kidding. I kind of feel I should be allowed to "start over" and do only 6-8 weeks in between now LOL since I put so much time waiting in between rounds over the last 3+ years. Ha ha! But JUDDDing in between has given me more tools to maintain and for that I'm very thankful. It just doesn't seem to be enough for me to actually lose a bunch at a time like hcg. I hope that in time my metabolism will be running at a better speed. Looking at thyroid/adrenal/hormonal issues now and hopefully will complete the healing.

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Can we have tomatillos in P2? I know its not on the list but its related to the tomato...

I didn't see if anyone answered this. I thought a tomatillo was more like a pepper but I dunno. I looked it up on wikipedia and it's a nightshade like tomatoes, potatoes, and eggplant. Could you do a nutrition comparison between that and a tomato and see what comes up for grams of protein, carbs etc?

Check your inbox!

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

I didn't see if anyone answered this. I thought a tomatillo was more like a pepper but I dunno. I looked it up on wikipedia and it's a nightshade like tomatoes, potatoes, and eggplant. Could you do a nutrition comparison between that and a tomato and see what comes up for grams of protein, carbs etc?

Check your inbox!

Oh gosh I tried a recipe "HCG Tomatillo Chicken" and it was absolutely disgusting so I wont be eating it ha ha. blech!!

It's day 13 and I woke up in the middle of the night to a detox rash on my elbows and back of the knees... took benadryl applied vaseline. so itchy and gross. The round is going well. I am happy but I want it to be over already. I will go to at least the end of the month and then I will see what to do.
I miss so many things that my nights ate spent drooling over watching Diners Drive inns and Dives. =) happy.

[buttah]

C'Marie, you know about my severe hunger issues going right from JUDDD (loss calories) to HCG, so be careful! Perhaps eat "normally" for a week or so before going on HCG?

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Checking in...

Hi all

I am on day #3 of FF. I am at 167.4 lbs. +.8 lbs. If I follow the pattern like last time, I STS day #1, gain day #2 (maybe salt), and lose day #3 (losing the salt). Although I don't have to lose...I'm okay for TOPS. My plan is to bounce around between 167-170 lbs. That leaves me literally 8 lbs. to play with w/o ever being out of max leeway.

I went to the gym for the first time in over a year. It was great!!! I opted for a Zumba Gold class which is Zumba, but at a lot SLOWER pace. I kept up quite well to my surprise. And I actually had one of those "AHA" moments...I was ONE of the few thinnest people there...imagine that!!!! Never had that happen before. And, I was not AFRAID of the wall of mirrors. Those ceiling to floor mirrors really tell you the truth...whether thin or fat

I suspect that my TOM (feeling it today...so prolly tomorrow!) is going to be 5-6 days early...I'm sure b'cuz of the hHCG. I would have rather it come next week so I can stabilize this week...grrr! Maybe it will be light during my 2 days

Have a great Monday!!! Off to work on my curriculum.

[shelbyla]

Hi all! Hope everyone is having a good start to the week.

I am up about 1.5 pounds from the beginning of the weekend but I will attribute that to drinking and eating some carbs Saturday night--1.1--and rollerblading 15 miles yesterday. I also ate it rather badly on the concrete skate path yesterday. First time on the new rollerblades in almost 6 months so I was probably due. They hadn't cleared the path of sand and other palm tree debris and I hit some little seed things despite trying to be uber careful. I have a LOVELY road rash on my elbow and I scraped my knee rather badly. I'm just glad that I decided at the last minute to wear long pants and a sweatshirt otherwise I would have been in a serious world of hurt! As it is, I am sore all over today so I'm sure a good portion of this is inflammation. At this point I am hoping for quick healing because I will be in very salty water and in the sun and sand in 10 days and those things DO not work well with open wounds--significantly increased scarring. I'm also getting the signs that a phantom period/ovulation might be going on (I don't get them but I still get signs) so that may be part of it. In any case, still in my comfort zone so that makes me happy.

Looks like everyone is doing pretty well here.

Angela - congrats on getting where you need to be (p.s. don't forget the rolls of quarters! ). Good luck maintaining for TOPS. Keep us posted on when the contest is and all that stuff! We'd love to cheer you on from the sidelines!

Lara - sucks on the detox rash. They sell hydrocortisone ointment that should be ok for P2 as it has a vasaline base.

[C'Marie]

Did a good DD yesterday, dropped some more. I am now without any holiday bloat!!! Now just have the regular above LIW weight and am "only" 1.4 above window. And yes, Buttah, I am going to load fat fat fat and be careful. I'm not horribly afraid of being hungry because I'm usually not. BUT if I can get down into my window and hold it there a week or so with just "regular" lowcarb and not super low calorie, I think it would be better. I just so want this new round to not have to take any old weight off first. BTDT have the T-shirt. In my previous experience, after a cruise gain, I got it all off and then I immediately loaded, and it went ALL the way back up. So I think I have to wait and hold it there for a bit.

And dangit, I need to drink more WATER!

[LaraSuzz]

Just as I declared this was a good round the trouble started. I STS this am, so I expect a large drop tomorrow. I do get up at 345am and leave the house at 5am so I will say that that has something to do with it.
Meh, and Double Meh.

Detox rash has now moved to my tummy but I think its clearing up cause its not as itchy... taking benadryl and i swear its making me moody!!!

I will now hide my scale until the end of the month. I think.

Please give me strength to continue I can do this.

[Jeanyyy]

Well, week 2 of P2 is not going that well. I have had a couple of blips up and today, .3 down so on Day 14, I'm still up from Day 10. That being said, I am still fighting off this cold and very, very tired and achy, so that could have something to do with it. Also a tad "stopped up" so taking my magneium-citrate again tonight. Tomorrow is another very early day for me (up at 6 a.m.), so I doubt I'll see a lot of progress. Dang! At this point in round 1, I had lost just over 10 lbs and this time, I'm at 8.8 lbs lost.