P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL JANUARY 2013

[Jeanyyy]

Pandora, I would recommend keeping on doing what you're doing. Follow Dr S's plan, ease into P4 and SLOWLY add in one thing at a time (starch and sugar). I did my P4 using a few LC products like tortillas, bread, LC sweets like mug cake with coconut flour and even a couple of full sugar items like small portions of cheesecake. And my P4 included Christmas with turkey n stuffing n gravy more than once. Isn't it great that you can eat as much as we can without gaining?? In the end, over my 6 weeks of P3/P4, I lost 3 lbs from LDW... never went over it. I'm hoping next time will be the same *crosses fingers*.

[C'Marie]

Jeanyyy, you are definitely a maintenance diva! I have NEVER been able to maintain under LIW. I came close with JUDDD, maintained a few weeks right under it but as soon as I added back even moderate starch it went up a bit - but I stayed in window successfully until adding ALCOHOL in on vacay --- tee - hee ! So I guess this time I will have to just be more careful. Not going on vacay until July this year so I should have plenty of time to get down and stay down.

Pandora, I agree, you should maintain for awhile. If you gently lose another pound or so, I don't think anything is wrong with that of course. BUT in order to protein up and re-feed your body, it's important. Remember you've just come through one heckofa battle! That crazy UP you had and the quick DOWN you went right into to counter it - you succeeded and you should be very very proud of yourself and be nice to your body. Let it rest a bit.

I hope after this round or maybe the next one I can take my own dang advice

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by buttah

Wait, you're on another round of P2 already, Pandora? How is that possible? Isn't it too soon?

ETA: you must have meant R2P3 day 8?

My vote is for spending some time maintaining and locking in your previous losses before worrying about losing more. I don't know. That's what's worked for me in the past year. My maintenance periods show me that I can maintain for life. See my visual chart!

Oh no typo still P3..I meant P3D8 still maintaining just the last 2 days for some reason I've been losing weight. Maybe it's a combination of tom & lots of fat/protein. Don't know but not complaining. Sorry for the mix up lol

Just thought it was funny as I was contemplating what to do when I finish P3/P4 if to just add exercise & maintain & leave it as is or to try JUDDD, fat fast or another short round to get to goal & then here goes my body & loses 2.6 lbs in 2 days and is doing it on it's own...just wondering it would be nice to maintain at 126ish vs my ldw of 128.2...

[moonriver]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Braggs liquid aminos, where can I find that?

Publix has them usually.

[buttah]

Originally Posted by pandora174

Oh no typo still P3..I meant P3D8 still maintaining just the last 2 days for some reason I've been losing weight. Maybe it's a combination of tom & lots of fat/protein. Don't know but not complaining. Sorry for the mix up lol

Just thought it was funny as I was contemplating what to do when I finish P3/P4 if to just add exercise & maintain & leave it as is or to try JUDDD, fat fast or another short round to get to goal & then here goes my body & loses 2.6 lbs in 2 days and is doing it on it's own...just wondering it would be nice to maintain at 126ish vs my ldw of 128.2...

That has never happened to me in P3. I hang right above LDW, always, and only if I'm careful. Never below. Very jealous.

[LaraSuzz]

hi guys... Saturday I was .2 out of the window so I did a bacon coffee day and now I'm back in. yay me. im trying not to go crazy so I wil drink tons of coffee and keep it legal. whoop whoop.

work seems generally irritating. I feel like quitting and starting a new career but I've only been doing this for two years. dunno why I feel this way. Maybe its the people. I guess I will keep to myself and see how I do.

happy Monday lolLara

[pandora174]

Well there went my whoosh TOM strikes finally but thankfully since I had those losses for 2 days the gain did not push me out of my ldw window. So P4P3D9 & still only +.02 over ldw. So far so good stabilizing which is very ok in my book. Stomach is still extremely upset even with all the stuff I take but in a few days that hopefully will be better when tom leaves.

Also it will be interesting when tom leaves to see if my body liked that lower 126 or if it does like indeed the 128 since when tom leaves I always lose a few lbs. Busy say at work & then to the dreaded dentist..

Wish I could be home with my feet up & a heating pad on my stomach....

[pandora174]

Morning ! R4P3D10 & down -.04 to my LDW weight. So far tom is almost gone & the dentist was not too bad though I had 3 cavities which she took care of. She is a fantastic dentist. Sticking to P3 and focused on stabilizing. I keep reading & reading about other plans but to be honest I'm not going to do any of them when I finish P4. At the end of the day I'm too scared of messing with my metabolism and not stabilzing. And to lose 3 or 5 lbs I just don't have that drive like I used to. I am finding that at 128 I am a happy girl
& if I toned up it would be even better

So the only thing I am going to do is when I get to P4 start exercising but going to ease into that as well. Probably will start every other day. As to carbs & starches next week I'll introduce nuts. Then first week of P4 I always start with a sweet potato and then if ok the 2nd week I'll add either the 1 carb bread from Julian's bakery or the low carb tortillas.

[LaraSuzz]

hi. I'm 1.8 out of the window now, doing a modified cd with coffee involved. coffee egg day maybe?

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Pandora I've been watching Robin Woodalls videos. I really think using the hunger scale you may be able to easily lose those last few pounds and maintain the loss. Her patients practice it before they start the HCG protocol and they all lost some weight. All they did was eat when they were hungry and stopped when they were not hungry anymore. They ate "normal" foods during this time too. I'm already doing this in p2 and I hope to see an easier p3 this time to. Check out some of her youtube videos

[pandora174]

Thanks Mommy I have her book & I am trying to eat to hunger it's just that I sometimes waited too long & then I ate too much because I was starving. Or when I thought I had it right I found myself hungry at 8 or 9 pm which I really don't like to eat that late before bed. Trying to figure out the right timing "for me" when I just start getting hungry & then go & make my food. I found for me anyway eating breakfast/lunch/dinner and and an occasional snack works really well. What I have been able to do is stop & actually leave food on my plate if I am full. That for me is a huge accomplishment in of itself.

I am thinking that maybe when I start exercising it might do the trick but to be honest I'm not overly worried about it. I'm a planner so I like to read up on things & have everything figured out "just in case" I do decide to do something. Makes me feel like I have come control since I was out of control for so long kwim ? So I'll post questions about JUDDD, fat fasts etc and read tons about it so I know all my options.

But what's funny is there are moments at least once or twice a week that my brain goes into weightloss mode I call it & just can't be satisified. Then I have to talk myself off the diet ledge lol I guess after a year of just focusing on losing weight it's very hard to just let it be. It's like "wow, now what? " I am trying to replace that gratification from seeing the scale drop & replacing it with seeing the scale stabilize. Today I was happy to see my ldw of 128.2 when usually I am like "wouldn't it be nice if it were 127 instead?" It's just such a mental thing now. But I'm wearing my Ann Taylor size 4 slim pants so it's all good today !!!

[buttah]

Pandora, one thing about JUDDD is that by rotating calories from "fasting" to normal, your metabolism never goes into "starvation" mode. That said, I'm totally with you on not wanting to rock the boat. I succeeded on JUDDD before HCG, but I've yet to do it again. I really want to stabilize Simeons way (sans CD's - won't do them and don't need to if I follow the HS), since the fact is that I lost weight his way! I think there is JUDDD again in my future for maintenance, or perhaps even losing a few pounds. But not right now.

AND I'm still toying with one more round to get a bit lower... and I never, ever, ever want to do a round straight from JUDDD ever again (my first was that way, and I was too too hungry).

I'm just at the top of my window the past few days. But I know it will go back down with normal fluctuations (I think I'm ovulating). Thankfully I have my last P3 to go by, and so far, this one's just the same.

[julieboolie]

Pandora-I know it's tempting to drop a bit more as you're so close to where you want to be, but I suggest focusing on locking in your new #. It's hard enough to stick that LDW, which you're doing well with btw~, so I'd start there. Hard enough, imo! You're doing great!! KUTGW!

Buttah-another round? Really? you're getting greedy now . I know that feeling!! Like anything is possilbe!! You are inspiring!! WTG!!

MOM-love your avi!! Pretty lady!!

I''m through my first week of JUDDD. down 0.6lbs, but also lifting weights again w.o. a gain, so that's a win. TOM started today too, which is alwyas a drag. Gonna' do 1 more week of the strict 500cal dds and see where I get. If I can drop 8 more lbs I'll be content w. that. I'd like it not to take 6 months though!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Pandora I've been watching Robin Woodalls videos. I really think using the hunger scale you may be able to easily lose those last few pounds and maintain the loss. Her patients practice it before they start the HCG protocol and they all lost some weight. All they did was eat when they were hungry and stopped when they were not hungry anymore. They ate "normal" foods during this time too. I'm already doing this in p2 and I hope to see an easier p3 this time to. Check out some of her youtube videos

Another thing I just have to add I was watching Dr Oz the other day and he had on a guest who could make you lose weight. I think he was the one with the show "I can make you thin". His name "Paul McKenna". He had his clients eat blindfolded. When Dr Oz had some studio audience members do that---they ate less. They reported that they stopped when they felt full and were shocked when they found out they ate 1/2 of what was on their plate. They did NOT change WHAT they ate, just how much. And did it so it didn't pain them at all. I found that fascinating and definitely ONE way to use the hungerscale.

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Another thing I just have to add I was watching Dr Oz the other day and he had on a guest who could make you lose weight. I think he was the one with the show "I can make you thin". His name "Paul McKenna". He had his clients eat blindfolded. When Dr Oz had some studio audience members do that---they ate less. They reported that they stopped when they felt full and were shocked when they found out they ate 1/2 of what was on their plate. They did NOT change WHAT they ate, just how much. And did it so it didn't pain them at all. I found that fascinating and definitely ONE way to use the hungerscale.

I watched this too it was interesting, there are so many different ways to lose weight and everyone is different so what will work for 1 person may not work for the next person but I think the key is learning how to maintain the loss.

[buttah]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Buttah-another round? Really? you're getting greedy now . I know that feeling!! Like anything is possilbe!! You are inspiring!! WTG!!

Hey, like I keep saying... I'm only 5'4"!!! You're much taller than me! And if you look to the left, you'll see I have not quite gotten to my conservative goal.

I think that's a great loss for week one of JUDDD ESPECIALLY if you factor in muscle gain. Hasn't that always been an issue for you?! You'll probably pick up the pace now that the "gene" is kicking in. Have I mentioned that I had the best blood labs EVER while on JUDDD (and I technically ate more "bad" foods then)? I believe it's a very healthy way to lose and live.

[mojopage]

Originally Posted by buttah

Hey, like I keep saying... I'm only 5'4"!!! You're much taller than me! And if you look to the left, you'll see I have not quite gotten to my conservative goal.

I think that's a great loss for week one of JUDDD ESPECIALLY if you factor in muscle gain. Hasn't that always been an issue for you?! You'll probably pick up the pace now that the "gene" is kicking in. Have I mentioned that I had the best blood labs EVER while on JUDDD (and I technically ate more "bad" foods then)? I believe it's a very healthy way to lose and live.

Buttah- How long of a P3/4 are you going to do this time? I recall that you did longer than 6 weeks after your P1.

... and 5'4" - you're TALL !!!!!! (ok- to me you are ) I hear ya on the conservative goal- I keep changing mine.... right now I just want to trudge along and see where I end up.

Good luck on P3

[C'Marie]

Hey guys, just wanted to stop by and say I'll be gone alot with tax season heating up. With the congress messing around, it really screwed us up for our start. We can start efiling tomorrow 1/30 and I expect to not be around much. Also, this is a P3/P4 thread and right now I'm on P2. If you need me, message me and I'll try to check in every couple of days. The one thread I do TRY to keep up on is the all phases thread.

[LaraSuzz]

What's up gorgeous ladies! Well happy hump day to all.
I'm down 2.6 from my modified cd... I had a 3 egg omlet with cream and cheese and some salmon with homemade tartar sauce, and a lot of coffee with cream.. I wasnt taking any chances. So I'm back in my window but I want to keep it under control and now is the time to do that. Interestingly enough I wasn;'t eating anything with starch or sugar just a lot, plus salt and nothing moving and there you go.
I dont want to show anyone my lunch at work cause people always want to eat it and they can eat anything so they should go get a ding dong and bug off lol.

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

What's up gorgeous ladies! Well happy hump day to all.
I'm down 2.6 from my modified cd... I had a 3 egg omlet with cream and cheese and some salmon with homemade tartar sauce, and a lot of coffee with cream.. I wasnt taking any chances. So I'm back in my window but I want to keep it under control and now is the time to do that. Interestingly enough I wasn;'t eating anything with starch or sugar just a lot, plus salt and nothing moving and there you go.
I dont want to show anyone my lunch at work cause people always want to eat it and they can eat anything so they should go get a ding dong and bug off lol.

Lara last round Dawn gave me some great advice about the sodium & it worked like a charm for me. When I was eating within protocol the sodium had my weight bouncing up a lot. So she told to drink a glass of coconut water once a day & up my dose of potassium supplements. The extra potassium worked perfect & the moment I started P3 this round I stocked up & have been doing this every day & knock on wood no issues with sodium. I've even have pork rinds & just the cheese snacks in moderation & no issues !

[pandora174]

Morning Ladies ! R4P3D11 & +.02 over ldw so far so good on P3. Putting my food in my daily log not to count calories per se but to keep an eye on the percentages. So far eating anywhere from 1500 to 1700 calories it seems and staying steady. This weekend will introduce almonds and see how that goes. I agree with buttah I think the key is not to overeat on P3 & in my case not to introduce too many things at once. I've added just about every kind of protein & healthy fat so far but keeping my veggie/fruit choices more on the P2 conservative side. Once I get past the nuts I will introduce the mug cakes and then I'll be ready for P4.

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by pandora174

Lara last round Dawn gave me some great advice about the sodium & it worked like a charm for me. When I was eating within protocol the sodium had my weight bouncing up a lot. So she told to drink a glass of coconut water once a day & up my dose of potassium supplements. The extra potassium worked perfect & the moment I started P3 this round I stocked up & have been doing this every day & knock on wood no issues with sodium. I've even have pork rinds & just the cheese snacks in moderation & no issues !

AW! I'm allergic to coconut. Most things im allergic to I eat except last time I had coconut my face itched for two weeks. booo!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

AW! I'm allergic to coconut. Most things im allergic to I eat except last time I had coconut my face itched for two weeks. booo!

I remember that. How awful but maybe sugar free Gatorade would do the trick. My DD has diabetes and she was advised to drink Propel (sugar free of course) when she was experiencing leg cramps due to dehydration. Maybe that could replace the coconut water.

[dooy]

OK, experts...I need some info/reassurance about retaining water. I popped up .4 this morning and I KNOW it is not from a single cheat - still weighing and measuring and not even eating both fruits due to fullness.

However, I have been using a lot of broths to make the veggies more palatable. I have not been using the low sodium type as I don't add salt to food. I am also TOM but I take bio identical hormones so I'm months without an actual period, but it is that time...

Here's my question: Water retention/bloat will eventually work itself out, right? Eventually, my body will release the fluids? I am staying the course, obviously, and will try the low-sodium product (ugh) but even if this goes on for a day or two, I'm OK, right?

[jabbok]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

AW! I'm allergic to coconut. Most things im allergic to I eat except last time I had coconut my face itched for two weeks. booo!

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I remember that. How awful but maybe sugar free Gatorade would do the trick. My DD has diabetes and she was advised to drink Propel (sugar free of course) when she was experiencing leg cramps due to dehydration. Maybe that could replace the coconut water.

You can try Powerade Zero it doesn't have sugar just potassium and sodium, I drank it all through P2 I didn't have any leg cramps at all.

[pandora174]

I knew I forgot something. Last night my new fancy scale arrived. I've always used a digital one but Amazon had a great deal on a digital one that gives you your fat & water percentages & you can enter your height/weight/sex etc. It had really good reviews so I bought it. I wished I would of had it from the beginning of my hcg dieting so I could of calculated my fat percentages & kept track but oh well.

So I'm not sure how exactly 100 % accurate it is but it looks similar to the one at my prior weightloss clinic. So last night I'm always like 2 lbs up in my weight & my fat percentage was 20.8 & this morning 19.9 %. I think my water percentage was 55 or 58 % I have to pay more attention as you can see I was only looking at the fat number Which is pretty awesome because when I was at my heaviest I think my fat percentage was over
50 % !!

[Kateenie]

Originally Posted by dooy

OK, experts...I need some info/reassurance about retaining water. I popped up .4 this morning and I KNOW it is not from a single cheat - still weighing and measuring and not even eating both fruits due to fullness.

However, I have been using a lot of broths to make the veggies more palatable. I have not been using the low sodium type as I don't add salt to food. I am also TOM but I take bio identical hormones so I'm months without an actual period, but it is that time...

Here's my question: Water retention/bloat will eventually work itself out, right? Eventually, my body will release the fluids? I am staying the course, obviously, and will try the low-sodium product (ugh) but even if this goes on for a day or two, I'm OK, right?

I don't know if you've read Pounds and Inches, but I was reading it again last night and thought of you gals who are disturbed with some fluctuations the last couple days:

"The weight registered by the scale is determined by two processes not necessarily synchronized under the influence of HCG fat is being extracted from the cells, in which it is stored in the fatty tissue. When these cells are empty and therefore serve no purpose, the body breaks down the cellular structure and absorbs it, but breaking up of useless cells, connective tissue, blood vessels, etc., may lag behind the process of fat-extraction. When this happens the body appears to replace some of the extracted fat with water which is retained for this purpose. As water is heavier than fat the scales may show no loss of weight, although sufficient fat has actually been consumed to make up for the deficit in the 500-Calorie diet. When then such tissue is finally broken down, the water is liberated and there is a sudden flood of urine and a marked loss of weight. This simple interpretation of what is really an extremely complex mechanism is the one we give those patients who want to know why it is that on certain days they do not lose, though they have committed no dietary error."

[buttah]

Kateenie, I seem to point out that section of P & I until I'm blue in the face.

I'm so glad someone else is joining in!

The scale is important, but it doesn't tell us everything - especially true for WOMEN!!!

PANDORA, I have a body fat meter (since the beginning of my first round), and both they and body fat scales typically come with directions to only measure in the morning, after you use the bathroom and BEFORE you put anything in your system. Taking it at night really doesn't mean a thing - you've got all kinds of other stuff in there. FWIW, my fat measurement goes down from P3, even though my total weight goes up a bit due to gaining lean muscle. My scale doesn't measure water, which is fine with me.

[julieboolie]

Busy thread~~

Originally Posted by buttah

Hey, like I keep saying... I'm only 5'4"!!! You're much taller than me! And if you look to the left, you'll see I have not quite gotten to my conservative goal.

I think that's a great loss for week one of JUDDD ESPECIALLY if you factor in muscle gain. Hasn't that always been an issue for you?! You'll probably pick up the pace now that the "gene" is kicking in. Have I mentioned that I had the best blood labs EVER while on JUDDD (and I technically ate more "bad" foods then)? I believe it's a very healthy way to lose and live.

You've done great!! I didnt' realize you were 5'4". Those legs look like they go on for days!! I'd love my legs to look like that!! You're wise to lower your goal while you're in the "groove" of losing. You'll do great!! So far I feel great on JUDDD, even on the DDs. I do usually gain w. exercise, you've got a good memory. I'm hoping for a scale reward at the end of the 2 weeks of strict rotations. We'll see. I need to figure out what to do about Sunday. Supposed to be a DD, but we're going to a party. Not sure I can do a good DD that day? Maybe I'll try for a MD? Haven't done that yet.

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Hey guys, just wanted to stop by and say I'll be gone alot with tax season heating up. With the congress messing around, it really screwed us up for our start. We can start efiling tomorrow 1/30 and I expect to not be around much. Also, this is a P3/P4 thread and right now I'm on P2. If you need me, message me and I'll try to check in every couple of days. The one thread I do TRY to keep up on is the all phases thread.

Totally understand! Hope you have a great P2 and the "season" passes quickly for you. Get good sleep!

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

What's up gorgeous ladies! Well happy hump day to all.
I'm down 2.6 from my modified cd... I had a 3 egg omlet with cream and cheese and some salmon with homemade tartar sauce, and a lot of coffee with cream.. I wasnt taking any chances. So I'm back in my window but I want to keep it under control and now is the time to do that. Interestingly enough I wasn;'t eating anything with starch or sugar just a lot, plus salt and nothing moving and there you go.
I dont want to show anyone my lunch at work cause people always want to eat it and they can eat anything so they should go get a ding dong and bug off lol.

Woot, woot! Great drop girl!! Hide that food! It's hard to share when others have endless options, my fam is the same way

Originally Posted by pandora174

Morning Ladies ! R4P3D11 & +.02 over ldw so far so good on P3. Putting my food in my daily log not to count calories per se but to keep an eye on the percentages. So far eating anywhere from 1500 to 1700 calories it seems and staying steady. This weekend will introduce almonds and see how that goes. I agree with buttah I think the key is not to overeat on P3 & in my case not to introduce too many things at once. I've added just about every kind of protein & healthy fat so far but keeping my veggie/fruit choices more on the P2 conservative side. Once I get past the nuts I will introduce the mug cakes and then I'll be ready for P4.

Oooh, I want a new scale! Sounds like your'e doing great!! WTG!! Inspiring!!

Originally Posted by dooy

OK, experts...I need some info/reassurance about retaining water. I popped up .4 this morning and I KNOW it is not from a single cheat - still weighing and measuring and not even eating both fruits due to fullness.

However, I have been using a lot of broths to make the veggies more palatable. I have not been using the low sodium type as I don't add salt to food. I am also TOM but I take bio identical hormones so I'm months without an actual period, but it is that time...

Here's my question: Water retention/bloat will eventually work itself out, right? Eventually, my body will release the fluids? I am staying the course, obviously, and will try the low-sodium product (ugh) but even if this goes on for a day or two, I'm OK, right?

Don't sweat it. I know it's frustrating to do everything right and not be rewarded, but there are so many factors influencing that scale. Give it a few days, you'll be down. Maybe skip a day's weighing. Hard to do, but worthwhile. Keep working your plan you're doing great!!

I may drop off this thread too. I'm moving on to JUDDD threads more and not really doing Simeon's anything right now. I'll keep checking in from time to time to see how you guys are doing. Onward and downward!!

[klyttle]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Happy New Year everyone! 2013 is upon us!

This is a thread for all Simeons hCG/hhCG folks who are past the very low calorie phase and in P3 or P4 or later. Losing it with hCG isn't easy but the REAL work comes in the stabilization and maintenance phases!

I for one am REcommitting to keeping the pounds lost with hCG OFF and keeping myself on the straight and narrow through healthy eating, exercise, and correction days, when needed. Who's with me???

May we all have a wonderful, prosperous, and healthy year!