P2 Simeons Protocol Month of January

[dawnyama]

New year, new month!!! Let's get to losing everyone

Happy New Year!!!!

[moonriver]

Happy New Year to you! Hoping for a nice slide back down the scale this round. Going for 21 days minimum. 40 days is tough mentally for me!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

I'm loading today, I'll be joining you ladies in losing soon

[LaraSuzz]

VLCD day one this am. I am in for the long haul so I will remain positive in my actions and make the best choices every day. This may mean that I might not post that much in p2 this round, I need to hibernate and mentally be in a postitive space. I'm toying wth the idea of only weighing once a week. I always say that but never do it lol. I will try to go to the end of the month if not longer. I need this like Ive never needed anything more in my life. its time.

[livnonahill]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

VLCD day one this am. I am in for the long haul so I will remain positive in my actions and make the best choices every day. This may mean that I might not post that much in p2 this round, I need to hibernate and mentally be in a postitive space. I'm toying wth the idea of only weighing once a week. I always say that but never do it lol. I will try to go to the end of the month if not longer. I need this like Ive never needed anything more in my life. its time.

I love your attitude! Wishing you the best!
Carole

[Clothilde]

Well, I weighed in today right back up to where I started from. At least it wasn't more!

I did my Southern DutyTM yesterday and had some black-eyed peas and a whole can of collard greens. I was NOT about to go to all the trouble to make a mess of fresh collard greens just for ME, no sir! But the canned are VERY salty. So I'm sure some of the gain was from all the sodium. Lots of water today should help flush some of that out.

So, friends, it's once more into the breach and back on P2!

Is anyone making resolutions for the new year? I'm making more goals than resolutions, and they're mostly about gaining positive and fun things and not so much about stopping negative things. I figure if I fill up on lots of positive, there just won't be much room left for any negative. Right?

[buttah]

Hmmm. My third week of this round is starting to resemble the snails-pace I had from week two on in my first round. If this keeps up, I will not be adding a week to my 21 days.

pre-load weight - 155ish (didn't have my scale)
12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2
12/26 - VLCD10 149.9 -.8
12/27 - VLCD11 149.1 -.8 (down about 5.9 from pre-load)
12/28 - VLCD12 148.5 -.6 (-6.5 from pre-load, but I think pre-load was more like 155.5!)
12/29 - VLCD13 147.5 -1.0 (corrected from earlier weigh in)
12/30 - VLCD14 148 +.5
12/31 - VLCD15 146.6 -1.4
1/1 - VLCD16 STS
1/2 - VLCD17 STS

I may do the Premier Protein shakes today as meal replacements (I put spinach and strawberries in 2 of them)... just to shake things up. Robin W's clinic allows them instead of protein servings. When I did it last round, I had three instead of two, with her blessing, because "hunger" demanded it. Calories worked out to just a tad over 500.

I've been very strictly protocol (except a bit of extra protein on NYE) thus far, but I can't psychologically deal with a 3 day stall (it seems like the end of my first round was all 2-4 day stalls!). Even though I know it's "normal."

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by livnonahill

I love your attitude! Wishing you the best!
Carole

Thank you, and to you as well

Yes Clothilde! This is exactly wheat I'm talking about, to make positive changes... like consiously putting what you want out there and making choices that support it. loving yourself and being your best friend.
this is possible.

[Zannep]

Happy New Year! Here is to the New Year, a New Beginning and Awesome Losses! I have been back from my 7 day "Holiday" break and into P2 Now for 6 days. Weighed in this morning at 110.8lbs, super happy and super motivatited to stay in P2 for another week to round out my 40 day round. Actually I think I will be more like 46 days, but from what I have read, it is advised to stay on protocol at least 2 weeks after a short break. I think what has really helped me this round is not to weigh-in every morning. I know some of you have been thinking this might be a good route to take. According to protocol, P3 daily weigh in is imperative, but this is where I tend to get weight obsessive, anxious and depressed if the scale starts moving in the wrong direction. With that thought off to re-read weightloss apocalypse for some thought provoking strategies!

Have a great day!

[Shelle135]

I am in and at Day 2 of the "Gorge Days". I am NOT enjoying this and cant wait to cut back tomorrow! I can't believe I am even saying that and may be crying by the end of tomorrow.

[livnonahill]

Originally Posted by Shelle135

I am in and at Day 2 of the "Gorge Days". I am NOT enjoying this and cant wait to cut back tomorrow! I can't believe I am even saying that and may be crying by the end of tomorrow.

Hahahaha! As long as you're gorging, you will most likely be just fine tomorrow. Good Luck and enjoy your "gorge day".

Carole

[misslatte]

Hello P2ers!

VLCD1 today, I really hope my load days were sufficient - I went out to eat the other day and I think it made me sicky so I wasn't able to really load up on what I planned. I'll hope for the best!

[buttah]

I was in so much PAIN my first night after loading this round. Felt like I would burst. Stuck to high fat, but I was miserable. Second day I paced myself a little better - ate the same amount, just better spread out. Was shocked to only gain .9 in the two days. Really proves you can eat a LOT if you cut out carbs and sugar (which I did).

[sweetlady2k]

Subscribing!

[miamiloca]

Im in!

[fiveninepointfive]

I am down .5 today. I'll take it, but i hope this isn't the beginning of the tapering off phase.

[Clothilde]

So far it's been a great day back on P2. I haven't had the first hunger pang. In fact, I don't want to eat at all. I made herbed baked chicken breast for lunch. I'm out of most fresh veggies except cabbage, so I just boiled some lightly seasoned cabbage in the pressure cooker - made enough for tomorrow's dinner, too. Tonight I'm making a P2 burger patty and cauliflower, broccoli, or green beans for supper. Still have another apple to eat. I'm completely out of breadsticks/melbas. I really need to go to the grocery store tomorrow, lol.

Looks like we have a great crew P2ing it!

[livnonahill]

Help! R1 VLCD 7 and I'm STARVING! The hunger pangs and stomach growling are driving me insane!! Is this normal? Does it go away after a few more days? Or is something not right? I'm following Dr. Simeons' protocol and I feel like I'm honestly doing things right but I'm beginning to wonder

[Clothilde]

Originally Posted by livnonahill

Help! R1 VLCD 7 and I'm STARVING! The hunger pangs and stomach growling are driving me insane!! Is this normal? Does it go away after a few more days? Or is something not right? I'm following Dr. Simeons' protocol and I feel like I'm honestly doing things right but I'm beginning to wonder

OK, I'll try to help. I've got at least 10 rounds of experience, so let's take a look at what's going on.

How much water are you getting?


Are you tracking your calories?


A little l-glutamine mixed in water can help cravings TREMENDOUSLY. Watch your dose, though. You don't want to go much over about 4000 mg total per day.

Chromium can also help with cravings/hunger.


I find that the ACV drink helps a lot with hunger, instead of just plain water.


Are you doing homeopathic drops or rx medicine? Your dose may be off, which can cause hunger. What dose are you taking?


OK, this is a start.....

[buttah]

Are you doing RX or HHcg? I don't know much about the homeopathic, but I do RX and both rounds, I was okay the first few days, then days 4-7 were tough... things got better around day 8. In the meantime, I was told to eat a bit more protein (perhaps an extra ounce at one of the meals, or an extra half ounce at both meals, or a hard-boiled egg (or just egg whites in the morning), and it helped (as did Yerba Matte tea, but not much). Although I was given permission to do the hard-boiled egg in the morning, I took out half the yoke, gave it to my dog and kind of put it back together and ate it.

Another thing that helped was fat free chicken broth with some celery in it . And not letting the hunger get ahead of you. If you have to eat earlier, you may be better off for the whole day.

Hang in there! You should not be hungry. According to Robin W, the author of Weight Loss Apocalypse, who I skype with, you HAVE to address that kind of gnawing hunger with food or you're messing up your Leptin levels, adrenals, etc. You may have no idea what I'm talking about (dig around and you will), but either way, you shouldn't be hungry and it shouldn't last much longer.

[buttah]

Clothilde, have you found that those non-protocal veggies (green beans, cauliflower, broccoli) slow your weight loss at all? I'm tempted to try them, but too OCD. And things are going too well this time to take chances.

[Shrinking]

I am not down today! STS yesterday, then went up today. Hopefully for a good cause like a whoosh!!

+.3
191.4

[Clothilde]

Originally Posted by buttah

Clothilde, have you found that those non-protocal veggies (green beans, cauliflower, broccoli) slow your weight loss at all? I'm tempted to try them, but too OCD. And things are going too well this time to take chances.

Buttah, I think you're doing WONDERFULLY! My first couple of rounds I was really scared to do anything "different." I stuck on that protocol like a duck on a Junebug!

But I started noticing other people having different amounts of veggies, mixing veggies, and eating other veggies. So I tried it and didn't seem to have a problem.

But everyone's body is different. I know that you don't ever want to do another P2 ever again (me too, once I reach goal!), so if you can stick with what you're doing without getting too bored, I think you'll get the best result.

Let me expand this a little and explain how I look at veggies. Since P&I doesn't have serving sizes for veggies, I try to go by calories to determine the serving size I can have for each veggie.

The key for me is the carb count and total calories -take a look at all the P2 allowed veggies in a nutrition calculator. I go for 50 to 100 cals for a veggie serving on P2, depending on what kind of protein I'm having and what else I'm eating that day. So let's look at the total carb counts for approximately 50 cals of each veggie.

Of the approved P2 veggies, fennel seems to have the highest carb count (12.4g for 170g serving), followed by onions (12.1g/140g serving), red cabbage (11.8g/160g serving), tomatoes (11.6g/250g), celery (11.3g/310g), cukes w/peel (11.0g/400g), green cabbage (10.9g/200g), red radishes (10.7g/315g), chard (10.3g/250g), asparagus (10.0g/220g), beet greens (9.7g/225g), napa cabbage (9.4g/420g) cukes w/out peel (9.1g/420g), romaine lettuce (8.9g/375g), bok choy cabbage (8.7g/400g), and spinach (8.0g/220g). All of these are measured raw, by weight, according to *********** (other calculators may give you different results.) They are total carb counts and do not account for fiber - meaning they are NOT "net" carbs. For each veggie, the first number is the total carb count and the second number is the serving size, for approximately 50 calories worth of each veggie. For the "rogue" veggies you hear people talking about, zucchini is (13.0g/330g), cauliflower (10.4/200g), green (snap) beans (11.4g/160g) and broccoli (9.4/180g).

You can see that for the higher carb veggies, you can have a smaller serving for the 50 calories and for the lower carb veggies, you can have more, sometimes substantially more.

Also, several of these are high potassium veggies: bok choy, spinach, beet greens, celery, fennel, radishes (and zucchini) all have high potassium counts.

So (to finally get to the answer to your question after taking the LONNNNG way around, lol) sometimes I have zukes or cauliflower, etc. But not often, due to the carb counts. Mostly I stick with the original P2 veggies. That way I find they don't impact my losses. But please keep in mind your body is different from mine and from everyone else's, so if you decide to experiment, just be prepared in case your body doesn't react the way mine does, OK?

I hope this is helpful for you and also for anyone wanting to know more about veggies on P2! I should do a real chart, including net carb counts, and just give it to anyone who wants it.

[pandora174]

Hi Ladies ! I was thinking of being on pellets this Fri & Sat & on vlcd 1 on Sunday for this upcoming round. Since I won't weigh in again until Sunday afternoon and I KNOW I gained a ton would you just jump into vlcd or do like a greek yourt day or steak day on Sun and then vlcd 1 on Monday ? Just want to get these 15 lbs or lord knows how much I've gained this vacation off asap I know it's mostly water weight but darn it !

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by pandora174

Hi Ladies ! I was thinking of being on pellets this Fri & Sat & on vlcd 1 on Sunday for this upcoming round. Since I won't weigh in again until Sunday afternoon and I KNOW I gained a ton would you just jump into vlcd or do like a greek yourt day or steak day on Sun and then vlcd 1 on Monday ? Just want to get these 15 lbs or lord knows how much I've gained this vacation off asap I know it's mostly water weight but darn it !

Don't sweat it. It will come off very quickly on VLCDs. Don't diet right before starting the VLCDs. Just ask buttah about that Just hop right in!! Your body has stabilized at your LDW--or right around there (I have forgotten where now ) but you have been really stable on P3, so your body will remember where it like to be and will quickly get back there. Again, no worries. Enjoy your vacation and DH's birthday. Then you can concentrate on the diet.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by livnonahill

Help! R1 VLCD 7 and I'm STARVING! The hunger pangs and stomach growling are driving me insane!! Is this normal? Does it go away after a few more days? Or is something not right? I'm following Dr. Simeons' protocol and I feel like I'm honestly doing things right but I'm beginning to wonder

Tell us what you are eating----exactly, like 100 oz of fish, 100 oz of chicken and 1 apple and WHEN you are eating them. You say you are doing Simeons' but there are so many variations that you just never know. We need more information in order to help you. You can have tea and broth in between meals to help with the hunger. And yes, stomach growling is quite common---even in skinny folks. My DH is skinny as a rail and has never dieted and his stomach growls. Does NOT mean you have to eat something just because your stomach growls.

[livnonahill]

Thank you all for the responses. I'm doing hcg rx nasal spray (1 spray per nostril daily). I'm following the P&I diet, and I've even cut out my facial moisturizer

Yesterday, the day I was so hungry, my meals were
Breakfast - 1 cup black coffee & 6 sliced strawberries 7:45 AM

Lunch - 3 oz Spring Mix with 3.5 oz crab claw cakes, dressing-apple cider vinegar & lemon juice mixed with garlic & onion powder 12:30 PM

Dinner - 3.5 oz asparagus & 3.5 oz shrimp sautéed in lemon juice, braggs amino, and rosemary. 7:00 PM

Snack - 1 apple cut in eighths. I eat 2 slices off and on through the day until it's gone.

I've been drinking over 4 liters of water a day with propel zero and I drink herbal teas off and on through the day using only stevia to sweeten.

That's a typical day for me.

Yesterday, I showed a loss of 0.5 #...today, NO loss UGH!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by livnonahill

Thank you all for the responses. I'm doing hcg rx nasal spray (1 spray per nostril daily). I'm following the P&I diet, and I've even cut out my facial moisturizer

Yesterday, the day I was so hungry, my meals were
Breakfast - 1 cup black coffee & 6 sliced strawberries 7:45 AM

Lunch - 3 oz Spring Mix with 3.5 oz crab claw cakes, dressing-apple cider vinegar & lemon juice mixed with garlic & onion powder 12:30 PM

Dinner - 3.5 oz asparagus & 3.5 oz shrimp sautéed in lemon juice, braggs amino, and rosemary. 7:00 PM

Snack - 1 apple cut in eighths. I eat 2 slices off and on through the day until it's gone.

I've been drinking over 4 liters of water a day with propel zero and I drink herbal teas off and on through the day using only stevia to sweeten.

That's a typical day for me.

Yesterday, I showed a loss of 0.5 #...today, NO loss UGH!!!

No worries about the no loss today. You will have days where there will be no losses. Then the next day...whoosh, it comes off !! So no worrying there.

Your food is perfectly protocol!! Yay for that !!! As for your hunger--sometimes when people start off the day with fruit, it leaves them hungry throughout the day. The jolt of sugar with no protein can effect some people. And then grazing on more sugar (apple) throughout the day----definitely can be the culprit. Makes you hungry. I strongly suggest you eat the fruit WITH your meals for the day and see how that goes. Do not spread out the fruit for in between. My daughter is a type 1 diabetic and we NEVER let her eat fruit with out having a bit of protein with it. The fruit alone spikes her blood sugar too high. Fat or protein with it helps to send it slowly up, not sharply up and then drop back down too quickly.

[livnonahill]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

No worries about the no loss today. You will have days where there will be no losses. Then the next day...whoosh, it comes off !! So no worrying there. As for your hunger--sometimes when people start off the day with fruit, it leaves them hungry throughout the day. The jolt of sugar with no protein can effect some people. And then grazing on more sugar throughout the day----definitely can be the culprit. Makes you hungry. I strongly suggest you eat the fruit WITH your meals for the day and see how that goes. Do not spread out the fruit for in between.

Thanks, Dawn!! I will certainly try that.

[moonriver]

Originally Posted by Shrinking

I am not down today! STS yesterday, then went up today. Hopefully for a good cause like a whoosh!!

+.3
191.4

Here's to your whoosh!

I'm down 2.6 on VLCD 3. Happy to be here and under pre load weight. So....onward!