The ALL phases thread! :)

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

@berta, I can tell you with JUDDD, doing strict rotations will help. If you switch days or have a "medium" day or stick with days of the week where you don't strictly alternate every other day, you will either not lose much or just maintain for awhile. Better to do strict every other day no matter the day of the week. JMHO.

re: me - I was down more than a lb this morning but I'm hoping it speeds up - why? Because I was at this exact weight 2 weeks ago doing strict JUDDD..... with LC. So yes, Jeanette, I was doing strict LC with JUDDD and it was rockin. I want another 15 pounds off and I wanted to do a short round. But I will just do what I can do!

I wonder why it is in the book then? I don't think I'd have a problem with sticking with JUDDD. But do the days rotate all the time then? Such as if I start mon DD, tuesUD, wed dd, thurs ud, frid dd, sat ud, sun dd, Then when Mon would roll around again it would be an ud ?
I took my HCG today but I am seriously thinking of starting JUDDD tomorrow
would that be a no no? Tomorrow would be an UD?If not I will wait for 3 days and then go. OR I may just try sticking with the HCG till this vial is gone.I have been POP today so we will see what happens in the morning.

I have no idea what I will do at this point all I know is I have to do something!

[dooy]

Originally Posted by fiveninepointfive

I am experiencing an ovulation gain at this time. I am not cool enough to not react. I am doing another Dawn recommended ACD (shake day) because the one lb gain pushed me out of my LDW. I also added Mac nuts yesterday so it is hard to know for sure. I am going to leave nuts out until P4. I have heard Robin Woodall, author of "Weightloss Apocalypse," refer to ovulation gains or increased hunger.

Hang in there, fivenine. You'll get this lb.

[C'Marie]

I know, I saw it in the book too. I tried it. I didn't have great results with doing it like that. I have searched the threads on the JUDDD boards and that seems to be something that is very individual. Of course if there is a holiday or an emergency then you can certainly switch! Just to get the best results quickest I think that is the consensus. Everyone is so very different. Yes, if you start with Monday an UD then the next Monday would be a DD. So in 2 weeks you would do a complete rotation through every day of the week being either a DD or an UD and start over.

Originally Posted by Berta48

I wonder why it is in the book then? I don't think I'd have a problem with sticking with JUDDD. But do the days rotate all the time then? Such as if I start mon DD, tuesUD, wed dd, thurs ud, frid dd, sat ud, sun dd, Then when Mon would roll around again it would be an ud ?
I took my HCG today but I am seriously thinking of starting JUDDD tomorrow
would that be a no no? Tomorrow would be an UD?If not I will wait for 3 days and then go. OR I may just try sticking with the HCG till this vial is gone.I have been POP today so we will see what happens in the morning.

I have no idea what I will do at this point all I know is I have to do something!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

I know, I saw it in the book too. I tried it. I didn't have great results with doing it like that. I have searched the threads on the JUDDD boards and that seems to be something that is very individual. Of course if there is a holiday or an emergency then you can certainly switch! Just to get the best results quickest I think that is the consensus. Everyone is so very different. Yes, if you start with Monday an UD then the next Monday would be a DD. So in 2 weeks you would do a complete rotation through every day of the week being either a DD or an UD and start over.

Do you know how to figure my calories? I honestly am math illiterate.
My activities are sendetary as my joints, knees and rhumetoid arthritis won't let me exercise.I have found some chair exercise that I feel I might be able to handle.And when it warms up I could walk very slowly.

I will probably wait until this vial is empty as I hate wasting it. But then I am giving it a shot.I have to find something I can live with.Thanks for all your adivse.
I will follow the UD DD like that until something happens that I can't.Or something special arises.

[MemoryKeeper]

Berta, if you google the johnsonupdaydowndaydiet you will find a nice calculator. The lower the percentage you select the faster you should lose weight. I'm not good at the math either but on this site you will find a calculator for you. If you need help, just message me.

C'Marie, hope you're having a fabulous day girl! If you know you have something coming up can you do 2 down days to get you on the schedule you want?

Like Monday DD, Tuesday, UD, Wednesday & Thursday DD, Friday UD, Saturday DD, and Sunday UD?

Finally, I'm down a pound 155.0 this morning. I'm excited about my first DD, as I feel more in "control" and planned out. I had to change from the 2002 Atkins to the new one so I could eat more veggies because they are low enough in calories. It's so what C'Marie, Julie and Dawn have said, "it's like hcg every other day." I think I'm going to like it. I know when I did it before I was UPPPPPP on my UD eating a bunch of junk. I think I know better now, I hope!

Hugs girls!

[dawnyama]

Jeanette--I am the last person to advise on JUDDD, but with all the reading I have done I will answer that ? LOL!!! I have seen it advised that you do NOT do 2 DD in a row. They caution against it. If you want to switch rotations, you are advised (on the JUDDD forum) to do a MD in between to switch UD/DD rotations. If you look on the JUDDD forum you can find lots of interesting stuff!!!!

[MemoryKeeper]

That makes sense! Thanks Dawn. I read all the threads you sent me (thanks again).

So it would look like this:
Like Monday DD, Tuesday, UD, Wednesday MD, Thursday DD, Friday UD, Saturday DD, and Sunday UD?

[dawnyama]

I am thinking that looks right. Yes!

[MemoryKeeper]

Thank you!

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by Berta48

I wonder why it is in the book then? I don't think I'd have a problem with sticking with JUDDD. But do the days rotate all the time then? Such as if I start mon DD, tuesUD, wed dd, thurs ud, frid dd, sat ud, sun dd, Then when Mon would roll around again it would be an ud ?
I took my HCG today but I am seriously thinking of starting JUDDD tomorrow
would that be a no no? Tomorrow would be an UD?If not I will wait for 3 days and then go. OR I may just try sticking with the HCG till this vial is gone.I have been POP today so we will see what happens in the morning.

I have no idea what I will do at this point all I know is I have to do something!

I predict you'll lose well w/ JUDDD. Keep us posted!

Originally Posted by MemoryKeeper

Berta, if you google the johnsonupdaydowndaydiet you will find a nice calculator. The lower the percentage you select the faster you should lose weight. I'm not good at the math either but on this site you will find a calculator for you. If you need help, just message me.

C'Marie, hope you're having a fabulous day girl! If you know you have something coming up can you do 2 down days to get you on the schedule you want?

Like Monday DD, Tuesday, UD, Wednesday & Thursday DD, Friday UD, Saturday DD, and Sunday UD?

Finally, I'm down a pound 155.0 this morning. I'm excited about my first DD, as I feel more in "control" and planned out. I had to change from the 2002 Atkins to the new one so I could eat more veggies because they are low enough in calories. It's so what C'Marie, Julie and Dawn have said, "it's like hcg every other day." I think I'm going to like it. I know when I did it before I was UPPPPPP on my UD eating a bunch of junk. I think I know better now, I hope!

Hugs girls!

There's a link to the calculator on the JUDDD threads. I used it, but only go down to 500cals on most DDs. These first 2 weeks are hard, but many report it gets easier over time. WE'll see . In control on UDs and taking the DDs in stride are a good place to be. You can do ti!!

Thanks Dawn!!

As for the JUDDD rotations, I'm very new to the plan (just starting my second week). I'd recommend alternating every other day - like Marie suggests, and only rearranging it w. a MD thrown in if you need to (social situation, etc). I'm going to have to do this this weekend as we're celebrating dh's bday on Sat. and then Sun going to a Superbowl party. Sat should be a UD (following a DD on Fri), but I'm making it a MD and then doing a UD on Sun and good low DD on Mon to restart the cycle. I will try NOT to make this shuffling a habit as I'd like the best losses possible.

That said, I'm only down 0.6lbs my first week. BUT, I'm back to the gym and lifting 3 times a week which is a LOT for me (since I've been on a break for a while ). I usually gain when I start back to the gym, so ANY loss for me is a win! I feel really good too. Plenty of energy and clear minded. It's nice. I don't like DDs, but can manage them knowing tomorrow I get to eat

I'm so glad ot have you guys here JUDDDing w. me .

[buttah]

Julie, I did MD's whenever I had to change my rotation to accommodate a special dinner or whatever - it seemed to work just fine.

[C'Marie]

@Jeanette, I will admit I have done two DD in a row when wanting to switch rotations. It didn't hurt a bit. I may have done a slightly higher DD but not as high as a MD - something in the 45% range but higher than 500 if I needed it. I prefer that to a MD just because a MD isn't that much different than a maintenance-level DD and I wanted to keep the losing going. But you know we probably are a bit different than some JUDDD BUDDDs because we have done 500 cals a lot and know what they are like. After I got into it I wasn't really hungry so it didn't really matter. YMMV. I know they don't suggest it but I also know from reading threads many have done it. Maybe sometimes even unintentionally.

[C'Marie]

I had a little *whoosh* this morning so after 4 VLCdays I am well into my "window" from last round, so all loading weight and little extra gone. I am hoping for another 12 pounds from this round. Hope hope hope

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

I had a little *whoosh* this morning so after 4 VLCdays I am well into my "window" from last round, so all loading weight and little extra gone. I am hoping for another 12 pounds from this round. Hope hope hope

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by MemoryKeeper

Berta, if you google the johnsonupdaydowndaydiet you will find a nice calculator. The lower the percentage you select the faster you should lose weight. I'm not good at the math either but on this site you will find a calculator for you. If you need help, just message me.

C'Marie, hope you're having a fabulous day girl! If you know you have something coming up can you do 2 down days to get you on the schedule you want?

Like Monday DD, Tuesday, UD, Wednesday & Thursday DD, Friday UD, Saturday DD, and Sunday UD?

Finally, I'm down a pound 155.0 this morning. I'm excited about my first DD, as I feel more in "control" and planned out. I had to change from the 2002 Atkins to the new one so I could eat more veggies because they are low enough in calories. It's so what C'Marie, Julie and Dawn have said, "it's like hcg every other day." I think I'm going to like it. I know when I did it before I was UPPPPPP on my UD eating a bunch of junk. I think I know better now, I hope!

Hugs girls!

Jeannette
I have the Alternate Day Diet book and on pg 243 is a question and answer.
The question is......
"I don't want to do downdays on the weekend.Can I do them on Mon, Wed and Fri?"

Answer....
"Many people find it easiest to do Mon,Wed,and Fri as DD and make either Sat or Sun or BOTH UD.

This works well and clearly maintains activation of the anti-inflammatory process. Most people eat more on weekends,however,probably because they are not distracted by work and engage in more social activity.So if you are trying to lose weight on the Alternate Day Diet, you should exercise caution and keep an up -to- the- minute food log to remain conscious of what you are eating.As soon as you eat something, write it down.

Another stragety would be to make Sun and "in between day",meaning that you will restrict to some extent but eat more than you would on a regular DD.
Some Alternate Day dieters have found that this works for them, while others have found that calculating in-beetween claories just adds to their stress and, therefore becomes counterproductive.It's a matter of knowing yourself and what works best for you!

I am going to have my "in between day" on Sun because that is when we always go out to eat.And I usually only eat that one meal that day as we come home and take a Sun nap before going back to church and then we come home late and hit the hay!The rest I will do every other day .I will love this way. I can't wait until my RXH HCG I just made up is gone.
I have had a BIG UD today so I will be up in the morning.
I may just go ahead and get started on JUDD anyway

My ud number at 20% was 2076 dd 415. I may go up to 25%

[Shrinking]

So I decided to weigh this morning after the less than stellar loss last week (.9lbs). I am down 2lbs!! That's a new decade . 179. I really wanted to lose to 175 this round. My plan was to stop tomorrow, then last Vlcd would be Saturday which would put me in P4 exactly when I leave the country for 2 weeks on February 23.

I know asked before but does anyone think it would be an OK idea to continue until my vacation, treat it as an interruption, then continue for another 2 weeks after to finish the round? I know I can avoid sugars and starches, because I'm happy without them. I also don't hate everyday I spend in P2, I actually like it once I'm in it. I know there's caution for immunity with RX, but I'm on pellets and haven't heard of immunity with them.

I guess I'm willing to stay on the plan for as long as it takes. I don't feel deprived, but I truly want this weight gone. I can't believe I finally know how!

Any thoughts?

[buttah]

You guys, there are tons of really experienced and helpful people on the JUDDD forum. Please be sure and ask your questions over there. They literally saved me many times, much like you guys have during my HCG freak outs!

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by buttah

You guys, there are tons of really experienced and helpful people on the JUDDD forum. Please be sure and ask your questions over there. They literally saved me many times, much like you guys have during my HCG freak outs!

I totally agree. There are only a few of us *here* who have done hcg and JUDDD but there's a lot of people there who have done JUDDD for a long time and been very successful. Some who have transitioned from hcg permanently even. They're very very nice! (I think it's cuz they can eat what they want every other day! LOL)

[MemoryKeeper]

Shrinking, I would do it as a PI. I think that would work, and you're in the groove, why stop the train? Right? Hang in there!

Berta, that is so sweet of you to post. I probably should buy the book, but I have 3 to read right now. It's been a busy time. Did you find the calculator online? It's nice not to have to figure it out, right? LOL!

C'Marie and Buttah, thanks for the heads up on the forum. I have been so busy, I usually try to get here first thing in the mornings, play around on Facebook, and that's all I've had time for (wheww).

Okay, my first DD/Strict Induction netted me a 2.5 pound loss so FINALLY I'm below LIW. 152.5 this morning. After hcg, it wasn't really hard at all! I thought I would wake starving this morning, but I woke as usual. I will try not to weigh tomorrow, but the hcg habit is HARD TO BREAK!

You ladies are doing great! Here's hoping the whoosh fairy sprinkles her WL dust! YIPPEE SKIPPEE!

[C'Marie]

@Jeanette, I had a *whoosh* again but of course it's only day 6 for me of the VLC's - so I am at my last round's rounded LIW. I hope to get to the prior round's LIW, which was my low prior to menohell. I held that low for about 6 months before the hormonal storm. I hope I'm stable enough to hold it now! and to proceed downward from there would be great!

@Berta, what did you decide to do? How are you? (((HUGS)))

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

@Jeanette, I had a *whoosh* again but of course it's only day 6 for me of the VLC's - so I am at my last round's rounded LIW. I hope to get to the prior round's LIW, which was my low prior to menohell. I held that low for about 6 months before the hormonal storm. I hope I'm stable enough to hold it now! and to proceed downward from there would be great!

@Berta, what did you decide to do? How are you? (((HUGS)))

Hi Marie
I'm finishing my vial and then JUDDD. I have to find something I will live with. Even if it is slower losing. I can do the 500 no problem every other day. I honestly think with my schedule it will be best for me. And not feel so deprived.

I lost yesterday and up .8 today it has been like this ever since the Holidays It isn't the HCG it's me.

I have enough RX HCG for four more rounds and the expiration date is 2015 so I have time to at least try (SHHH not suppose to mention JUDDD on this thread) HUGS right back

[buttah]

Memorykeeper and Berta,

Please be aware that the scale truly "bounces" a lot on its journey downward with JUDDD eating. It is not a straight line down AT ALL. It goes up and down in the short term, but down in the long term. If you go to the JUDDD forum, and click on the "month of" threads, you will see where people post their weigh-ins daily for the current month. This is very illustrative of the way JUDDD works. I think it kind of cures people of *daily* up/down obsessions, to be honest (in a good way)!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by buttah

Memorykeeper and Berta,

Please be aware that the scale truly "bounces" a lot on its journey downward with JUDDD eating. It is not a straight line down AT ALL. It goes up and down in the short term, but down in the long term. If you go to the JUDDD forum, and click on the "month of" threads, you will see where people post their weigh-ins daily for the current month. This is very illustrative of the way JUDDD works. I think it kind of cures people of *daily* up/down obsessions, to be honest (in a good way)!

Thanks BUTTAH
The book actually says not to weigh only after a DD. I plan to weigh once a week.Maybe less.

[MemoryKeeper]

YAY! C'Marie! WOOT! WOOT!

Hope you're hanging in there Berta!

Buttah, thanks for the info. I'm going to surf the JUDDD forum now.

I did bounce up a pound, but being down 2.5 I was OK with that. It's hard to break the "weigh daily rule with hcg." I'm scared not to weigh. I think it has helped me maintain. That and changing to a LC WOE.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by MemoryKeeper

YAY! C'Marie! WOOT! WOOT!

Hope you're hanging in there Berta!

Buttah, thanks for the info. I'm going to surf the JUDDD forum now.

I did bounce up a pound, but being down 2.5 I was OK with that. It's hard to break the "weigh daily rule with hcg." I'm scared not to weigh. I think it has helped me maintain. That and changing to a LC WOE.

Hi Jeannette
Thanks for thinking of me. I am giving HCG up.I jsut can't take it any more. I am switching to JUDDD starting monday. At least for awhile.If I get to where I am not losing I have eight vials RX HCG in the fridge and the expiration is 2015 so I am going to JUDDD for awhile and see.

Hope you don't mind if I check in here from time to time.I have gotten to feel as if I really know you gals and think a lot of you.You all have been such a great help to me through this journey.
I stayed the same today but went o friends for supper tonight and was off for sure.So Monday is Juddd for me,as I said.


So are you doing JUDDD now too?

[C'Marie]

@berta, I hope you DO continue to check in on this thread. I will try to keep up on this one during tax season even as busy as I am. I would miss hearing your journey

I took my mom out to dinner for her birthday. I had a little piece of steak and some steamed mushrooms and a side salad with no dressing. I brought my hubby home the other sides. Yes, yes, I know, I mixed veggies. I won't go to hcg h3ll. LOL I skipped lunch entirely today, and for breakfast just had a little whey protein shake.

[MemoryKeeper]

Berta, yes, I'm trying it with Atkins/Induction. So I'm doing JUDDD at Atkins Induction level carbs at the same time. I already eat LC, so that part is not so hard. I think doing hcg has made doing a DD a proverbial "piece of cake," After 4 rounds at (about 150 days of hcg) I know what 500 calories looks like for sure!

of course I wanna hang here too, with you Berta and all the girls!! You all are my peeps! LOL! you ladies! Besides we are learning how to manage DD calories (about the same as hcg) so I think they do go hand-in-hand. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes, "hand-in-hand, together we can!"

I always expect that when I wake up in the mornings after a Down Day (DD) I will be STARVING, but I always wake up feeling the same. So interesting!

Buttah, C'Marie and Dawn, I lurked the JUDDD forum last night for several hours. I got some great ideas, thanks for directing me there.

152 this morning. YIPPEE! I just looked on my tracker to see if this was my low, because I thought I got down to 151 something, but I can't find any record of it. This may be a new low, maybe??? to you all, and hopes for the whoosh fairy to drop some pounds!

[C'Marie]

I'm down a bit again - now just under my LIW from last round, and proceeding onward and downward to the PREVIOUS LIW, my low in May of 2011 before menohell 10 pound gain. (actually, I think, 9 - so I'm aiming for 9 more pounds in 19 days? might not make it, but will try!) I might do an interruption before my SIL's wedding 2/22 for a couple days, and then jump back on for a week or so? I dunno. I was trying to squeeze in 2 rounds before end of tax season, which would mean cutting the 6 weeks short some.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

@berta, I hope you DO continue to check in on this thread. I will try to keep up on this one during tax season even as busy as I am. I would miss hearing your journey

I took my mom out to dinner for her birthday. I had a little piece of steak and some steamed mushrooms and a side salad with no dressing. I brought my hubby home the other sides. Yes, yes, I know, I mixed veggies. I won't go to hcg h3ll. LOL I skipped lunch entirely today, and for breakfast just had a little whey protein shake.

I will let you all know how I am doing. I lost 1 lb this morning but still doing HCG until Monday.

That is one thing I miss, not being able to eat mixed veggies. Especially in a salad as I love chef salads.With ham, boiled eggs, celery, cucumbers, tomatoes,avacado, shredded carrots. And ranch dressing!

Originally Posted by MemoryKeeper

Berta, yes, I'm trying it with Atkins/Induction. So I'm doing JUDDD at Atkins Induction level carbs at the same time. I already eat LC, so that part is not so hard. I think doing hcg has made doing a DD a proverbial "piece of cake," After 4 rounds at (about 150 days of hcg) I know what 500 calories looks like for sure!

of course I wanna hang here too, with you Berta and all the girls!! You all are my peeps! LOL! you ladies! Besides we are learning how to manage DD calories (about the same as hcg) so I think they do go hand-in-hand. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes, "hand-in-hand, together we can!"

I always expect that when I wake up in the mornings after a Down Day (DD) I will be STARVING, but I always wake up feeling the same. So interesting!

Buttah, C'Marie and Dawn, I lurked the JUDDD forum last night for several hours. I got some great ideas, thanks for directing me there.

152 this morning. YIPPEE! I just looked on my tracker to see if this was my low, because I thought I got down to 151 something, but I can't find any record of it. This may be a new low, maybe??? to you all, and hopes for the whoosh fairy to drop some pounds!

I just didn't think othes would like us conversing about JUDDD on the HCG thread. So I joined the JUDDD thread also.
I was down 1lb today like I told Marie in above post.
I am wondering on LC .I know 15gms equals one carb.SO do you count the gms or the total carbs? Such as if one serving would be 30gms is that 2carbs?
I really don't think I will count carbs but I will see
It just seems so confusing to me.Spark People is my calorie keeper love it!
How are you liking it so far?

[Kateenie]

Berta,

1 carb is 1 gram of carbs. It never equals 15. If you read a nutrition label, it will tell the carb grams and that way you can track how many you have a day. For vegs and fruits, the online calculators will also tell you the carb grams per serving.