My Rogue Experiment This Round

[j4Christ]

Thanks for the interest, Felina! I am starting today with my potato experiment while on drops so here's my menu...

10 oz. cubed potato (raw weight) boiled in 1 can FF chic. broth. I will divide this into 3 servings for breakfast, lunch and snack.

For dinner I will have 3 oz. chic. breast, 2 cups salad w/ spritzer dressing.

I was going to go for an all potato day, but DH was being very supportive by BBQing chicken for me, knowing I was going back on plan. We'll see how this goes. I was reading that the appetite suppression with potatoes was really good and it helped to curve cravings.

I'll report back...

[dawnyama]

I found you!!! I will be following your progress with potatoes. I cannot wait to see how it works with the hcg. I am excited for you

[Sunny7]

wow, my plan was to hop back on the hcg on dec 27 after a 2 day interruption, but i just couldn't do it, i started the M/E on the 27th instead, i just couldn't do the meals even after going a little rouge, i am going to stick with M/E for now-----i know i will get back on the Hcg but not now, am thinking late spring.....sure wish i could, i am so mad at myself for not sticking with it.....

good luck to you all, i am still going to keep on reading these post to stay informed when i am ready to go next time....

[j4Christ]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I found you!!! I will be following your progress with potatoes. I cannot wait to see how it works with the hcg. I am excited for you

I'm so sorry I can't give you any progress info...I did breakfast and lunch with potatoes and was STARVING and CRAVING by the time I got home. I know it was suggested to give it a few days for the cravings and appetite suppression to kick in but the reasonable voice in my head started talking. I did okay by having a LC dinner but not lowfat! That scares me when I'm on hcg. The reasonable side of me said "you love LC, just follow LC and be patient" so here I am again. Another round given up on. But I think I have finally come to peace with just sticking with LC and letting it do what it will do in it's own time.

So yesterday I ate LC for B-L-D and even had some wine in the evening and I am down 5 lbs. since I started all this experimentation! Feels good even though I know it's water, but I also feel more at peace.

[dawnyama]

I cannot help but but then want to So sorry you have been through the wringer. I guess just plain old hcg with VLCDs for me then! Thanks for letting us know how it went. I will wait til P4 to try the potato day hack.

[dawnyama]

I cannot believe what I just found in my local Food Lion. Low fat half and half. It is Land O' Lakes!!!! Oh, since I am in P2 currently I have to go and get this!!! I am so happy I stumbled upon this. I have been searching and looking for a long time. WooHoo!! Totally made my day when I found it Hahaha.

[Shelle135]

Originally Posted by Shrinking

Good day all! I decided to "weigh in" my opinion here. I just came back from a cruise. I was terrified to step on the scale because I knew what I had consumed during those 11 days! I was positive I had gained at least 10lbs. I waited 2 days and took the plunge and either my brand new scale is broken and stuck reading 196.6 or I really didn't gain anything on the cruise. So now you may ask, what did I do?

I ate bacon for breakfast every morning. I loaded up with 8-10 pieces. I also had a couple fried eggs with it. This helped me to feel no hunger all day. I skipped lunch most days and indulged in a huge supper with wine and cheesecake every evening. I still don't believe it!

I started loading for my second round today. I'm loving reading this rogue thread. I'll see how things go and just might add some rogueishness to my second round. I plan for it to be a little shorter because of another upcoming vacation. I'd like to be at least in P4 for that one so I'll end this round January 31.

Hi!
Did you continue to take your drops while eating that way? I notice that when I don't do well, though I take my drops, the weight does not FLY back on.

[SookieMama]

I'm rogue to and can't imagine doing it any other way.
I mix veggies, eat them possibly 2x a day, have full fat creamer (coffee mate liquid - 1 tbsp), eat all lean meats, eat 3 egg whites every day for breakfast, I have cottage cheese...

Only thing I don't do is use my regular body lotions and oils. Really want to get the nerve to try that.

Made a fantastic chicken stew tonight if anyone is interested! ��

Btw: I've lost 22 lbs in 22 days!

[onedimsim]

Originally Posted by SookieMama

Made a fantastic chicken stew tonight if anyone is interested! ��

Btw: I've lost 22 lbs in 22 days!

Want Recipe Please!

VERRRRRY nice numbers! completely awesome! are you going for 40 days?

[SookieMama]

Thank you, onedimsim! I am super happy with my numbers. I will post the recipe tonight.

I am going beyond 40 days, at least that is my plan. I have shots up until 51 days so that is a for sure. I want to go ahead and do another 28 day round so that will make it a 79 day round. Sounds crazy long when I type it but I am on a roll and motivated. No way Im stopping now!!!

[SookieMama]

HCG Chicken Chili soup

1 bag of pic sweet onion, bell pepper, celery mix (frozen)
2 tsp garlic minced
1.5 lb chicken diced raw
1 tsp salt
2 c chicken broth
1 tsp chili powder
1/2 tsp chipolte chili powder (do not omit this!!!)
2 tsp cumin
1/2 tsp paprika
1 tsp garlic powder
2 tsp dried cilantro
28 oz can tomatoes blended a bit

Cook veggies in broth and then add chicken. Cook a few more minutes. Then all all other ing and let simmer.

[Hello Suzy]

Hello rogue people I'm in the process of deciding whether or not to try HCG again. I did it about a year ago and had a successful P2, going fairly rogue with protein bars, lots of cheating. But I skipped P3 and P4 and eventually it all came back on. In the last month I have given conventional dieting a try - working out like mad and keeping calories and carbs low (50-100 usually) and I am not losing much weight at all.

So I wanted to ask all of you, what are your thoughts on what the purists say re: the hypothalamus resetting and your body stabilizing because you've been eating only whole foods and zero sugar and fat? Do you know of stories of people doing HCG eating processed protein shakes, yet still stabilizing ok? I just don't know if I can do HCG in its original form, being sooooo restrictive.

[mojocat]

Good question Suzy I would like to know as well. I am also a purist - but only because it has been drummed into me from other purists that if you go rogue it will affect stabilisation. Well tell you what, I've been POP all my rounds and I have kept my weight off until I start eating too much in P4 and then it starts to creep. I'm not sure now if I believe all the resetting of the hypothalamus. This round is hard for me, chicken and fish and cabbage..if I could substitute them with high protein greek yoghurt at the very least I would be so much happier.

[Deda22]

Originally Posted by JHoberer

I did a 10 day eat whatever interruption over Thanksgiving, gained 16 lbs, and lost 10 of it in back in 5 VLCDs. It'll come off quickly if you get right back to it. *HUGS*

Did you stabilized in p3? Or maintained your weight? I'm just wondering!

[Nicole T]

My experience has been that the "reset hypothalamus" is a bunch of bull! My first 63 day round I was totally by the books and got to goal. I stabilized in P3 and eventually gained back a large portion of the weight even though I eat Paleo (no sugar, no grains and very, very little dairy).

I have done about 5-6 rounds now and saw no difference with my supposed stabilization whether I did complete protocol or rogue. What I have found is that my losses last about 3-4 months and then the weight starts creeping back on no matter how strict I am or how much I exercise. And I was not at some crazy-low weight either (I'm 5'8, large boned and a size 12 @ 165 is my happy place).

My last round was right before Christmas and I got down to 170 (still a nice size 12 for me). Now I'm at about 185 and my 14's are getting tight. I've just kinda accepted that if I want to stay a 12, I'll have to keep doing rounds every 5-6 month or so.

It just sucks because I eat VERY clean and NEVER eat fast food, candy bars etc...and yet the weight still comes back on.

[julieboolie]

Well rats. Not what I wanted to read this morning!! I am finding sticking to my "goal" weight challenging as well. I'm finishing P2 re-do round today and planning a solid P3/P4. I really don't want to do re-do rounds the rest of my life. But, I suppose, if I have to give up 3-9 weeks each year to stay the size I want to be, I could do worse? At least I have a way to lose the weight and get to "goal". I should look at it as a glass half full, right?

(Sure would be nice to be one of the lucky few who can go on to eat cake and still stay small. I think those people are not really obese to begin with and therefore aren't really "broken", kwim? They're just gaining a bit of weight as they get older. Seems to be ideal for that situation. A life-long morbidly obese person like me? It's always going to be harder. But it can be done!! I'm not giving up.).

[onedimsim]

=Nicole T;16124870]
So I just wanted to share in case anyone was wondering if being rogue hurts your losses. It definitely hasn't hurt mine and I am SO much happier this round and it feels totally do-able as compared to my other rounds where I was hating life!

So interesting! thanks for sharing!!! i did a couple of "rogue" things (SF creamer/mixing veg/Zucchin) on R1 and had i think more than my fair share of stalls - i am always left wondering if it was somehow my "fault" for not being POP - so very much interested in the ad-hoc evidence!

= *fat free Kraft cheese slices (who knew they actually melt now?)

VERY good information! have not tried these since the 80's for this VERY reason!

[onedimsim]

LOL....Zombie thread! Guess this is first time seeing it

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Well rats. Not what I wanted to read this morning!!

But it can be done!! I'm not giving up.).

So well put Julie! I am not giving up either. As long as I can do it, I am going to. I really hate that hcg may not be the end all and be all but at least we have an "all" It works!! Good on you Julie!!! Another round well done.

[mojocat]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

I stabilized in P3 and eventually gained back a large portion of the weight even though I eat Paleo (no sugar, no grains and very, very little dairy).

What I have found is that my losses last about 3-4 months and then the weight starts creeping back on no matter how strict I am or how much I exercise.

It just sucks because I eat VERY clean and NEVER eat fast food, candy bars etc...and yet the weight still comes back on.

And I absolutely 100% agree with you. There is a magic time around 3-4 months where the weight creeps on. I did get an explanation for this from Jack Kruse but darn it I can find it right now. I will post when I do; it was very technical but it may have something to do with dairy - completely eliminating dairy for a long period

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by mojocat

And I absolutely 100% agree with you. There is a magic time around 3-4 months where the weight creeps on. I did get an explanation for this from Jack Kruse but darn it I can find it right now. I will post when I do; it was very technical but it may have something to do with dairy - completely eliminating dairy for a long period

I totally want to hear about this. Thanks for sharing!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

My experience has been that the "reset hypothalamus" is a bunch of bull! My first 63 day round I was totally by the books and got to goal. I stabilized in P3 and eventually gained back a large portion of the weight even though I eat Paleo (no sugar, no grains and very, very little dairy).

I have done about 5-6 rounds now and saw no difference with my supposed stabilization whether I did complete protocol or rogue. What I have found is that my losses last about 3-4 months and then the weight starts creeping back on no matter how strict I am or how much I exercise. And I was not at some crazy-low weight either (I'm 5'8, large boned and a size 12 @ 165 is my happy place).

My last round was right before Christmas and I got down to 170 (still a nice size 12 for me). Now I'm at about 185 and my 14's are getting tight. I've just kinda accepted that if I want to stay a 12, I'll have to keep doing rounds every 5-6 month or so.

It just sucks because I eat VERY clean and NEVER eat fast food, candy bars etc...and yet the weight still comes back on.

Nicole

How are you hon? I was wondering about you. You stopped posting and I wanted to know how you were getting on. I have heard over on another forum that some need to do a maintenance round every year. So doing one round 2 times a year doesn't sound so bad. I am sorry to hear that the weight won't stay off. I hate to say it, but I am not going crazy when I am trying my darndest trying to get back to my goal weights' LDW, several rounds ago. I really had hopes that one of these days I would get it right and have everything just fall magically into place. Now I see that it might not be so. But I should be happy to be at least in a normal weight range for my height--and in my size 6 jeans. Thank you for sharing, gf

[usacoton]

Nicole, thank you for sharing your rogueness, lol.
I was womdering what dose you were on and how long your rounds were? Does that. Seem to affect the stabilization? I had lost a lot and gained it back over a period of a couple years and am doing another round... am thinking of going off pop this time to see if it shakes up my bodys mindset

[usacoton]

meant to sign my post! Have a good one!
~ juli

[SookieMama]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

So well put Julie! I am not giving up either. As long as I can do it, I am going to. I really hate that hcg may not be the end all and be all but at least we have an "all" It works!! Good on you Julie!!! Another round well done.

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Well rats. Not what I wanted to read this morning!! I am finding sticking to my "goal" weight challenging as well. I'm finishing P2 re-do round today and planning a solid P3/P4. I really don't want to do re-do rounds the rest of my life. But, I suppose, if I have to give up 3-9 weeks each year to stay the size I want to be, I could do worse? At least I have a way to lose the weight and get to "goal". I should look at it as a glass half full, right?

(Sure would be nice to be one of the lucky few who can go on to eat cake and still stay small. I think those people are not really obese to begin with and therefore aren't really "broken", kwim? They're just gaining a bit of weight as they get older. Seems to be ideal for that situation. A life-long morbidly obese person like me? It's always going to be harder. But it can be done!! I'm not giving up.).

Originally Posted by Nicole T

My experience has been that the "reset hypothalamus" is a bunch of bull! My first 63 day round I was totally by the books and got to goal. I stabilized in P3 and eventually gained back a large portion of the weight even though I eat Paleo (no sugar, no grains and very, very little dairy).

I have done about 5-6 rounds now and saw no difference with my supposed stabilization whether I did complete protocol or rogue. What I have found is that my losses last about 3-4 months and then the weight starts creeping back on no matter how strict I am or how much I exercise. And I was not at some crazy-low weight either (I'm 5'8, large boned and a size 12 @ 165 is my happy place).

My last round was right before Christmas and I got down to 170 (still a nice size 12 for me). Now I'm at about 185 and my 14's are getting tight. I've just kinda accepted that if I want to stay a 12, I'll have to keep doing rounds every 5-6 month or so.

It just sucks because I eat VERY clean and NEVER eat fast food, candy bars etc...and yet the weight still comes back on.

Originally Posted by Hello Suzy

Hello rogue people I'm in the process of deciding whether or not to try HCG again. I did it about a year ago and had a successful P2, going fairly rogue with protein bars, lots of cheating. But I skipped P3 and P4 and eventually it all came back on. In the last month I have given conventional dieting a try - working out like mad and keeping calories and carbs low (50-100 usually) and I am not losing much weight at all.

So I wanted to ask all of you, what are your thoughts on what the purists say re: the hypothalamus resetting and your body stabilizing because you've been eating only whole foods and zero sugar and fat? Do you know of stories of people doing HCG eating processed protein shakes, yet still stabilizing ok? I just don't know if I can do HCG in its original form, being sooooo restrictive.

Originally Posted by mojocat

And I absolutely 100% agree with you. There is a magic time around 3-4 months where the weight creeps on. I did get an explanation for this from Jack Kruse but darn it I can find it right now. I will post when I do; it was very technical but it may have something to do with dairy - completely eliminating dairy for a long period

Are those of you who have had trouble stabilizing using hHCG, RX drops or shots?

[julieboolie]

Hhcg, but from those I've read about, it hasn't made a difference. The only noticeable difference I've found is in those who only had a little weight to lose. With the exception of Shelbyla, I don't know of any who have lost a significant amount of weight, and kept it off successfully. I'd like to hear from some who did though. There was privatediva who was really successful in maintenance, but haven't heard from her in a while.

[usacoton]

My husband lost 60 in 2009-2010 and hasn't gained it back. My sister lost the same and hasn't gained either. He has fluctuated around 4 lbs of his liw. No CD ever. He mostly eats low carb but will occasionally eat a pastry and eats BBQ sauce almost daily. My sister hasn't gained outside her 2lb window and will do CD as necessary. She too eats clean mostly with the occasional indulgence
I really hate being the one in the family who gained it back.

Both were on RX cream... me too back then. On inj now

~juli

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Hhcg, but from those I've read about, it hasn't made a difference. The only noticeable difference I've found is in those who only had a little weight to lose. With the exception of Shelbyla, I don't know of any who have lost a significant amount of weight, and kept it off successfully. I'd like to hear from some who did though. There was privatediva who was really successful in maintenance, but haven't heard from her in a while.

Don't forget Marie I think her username is cruzcrazy. And true to her username, she is on a cruise right now But she says it is a daily struggle. She has to be diligent and on top of her weight EVERY SINGLE DAY. No slacking whatsoever. Oh, and she was on the homeopathic. Her husband did it as well and is maintaining too!

[mojocat]

This is my fourth round and it has been hard keeping it off everytime. I find as soon as I start adding trigger foods, eating normal meals, eating foods I shouldn't, eating too much and using "celebrations" to indulge then the hunger and cravings start getting out of hand. I'm sure if I just spend a month eating what I want, all the weight I've lost in the last 12 months would just come back on. So I don't buy this re-setting business. I think the longer you maintain a low weight the more you habits get ingrained to eat at that weight and you have to be vigilant. HCG gives us a leg up but it's up to us in the end. The people who keep it off are the ones who make permanent life changes.

[Cruzcrzy]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Don't forget Marie I think her username is cruzcrazy. And true to her username, she is on a cruise right now But she says it is a daily struggle. She has to be diligent and on top of her weight EVERY SINGLE DAY. No slacking whatsoever. Oh, and she was on the homeopathic. Her husband did it as well and is maintaining too!

Hi Dawn - thanks for pointing me to this thread. You are correct. I am keeping it off, but, it is an effort every single day. Btw, I do not believe in the reset either. My husband and I both did two rounds, homeopathic hcg. We did not reach goal with hcg, but, close to it. My LDW was 151. We both went on to lose more through a lifestyle change. We exercise(walk) 6-7 days per week. I calorie count (1500-1800 daily). I DO still consume sugar. It is my weakness. It's mainly figured into my calorie count. Yes, I just got home from a cruise and I think I am up a few pounds. If so, it will be the first time in a very long time that I've had a gain. I did not overdo it, and we exercised quite a bit, but, not sure it was good enough. I just checked my weight log and this time last year I was 134. Before I left on the cruise I was 129. I mainly stay between 127-129 so I've been successful at keeping the weight off, but, it is an effort daily. Keep in mind I am 50, so that plays a part in all things too.