P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL DECEMBER 2012

[buttah]

So sorry, Reddy. Thinking of you. xoxox

[buttah]

Welcome, Jmelnn!!!

Just a quick pop in to say I am still in my window (I live at the VERY TOP of that window, though. Oh well!) and just a week away from loading, unless I decide to load on my 2-day trip this coming weekend...

My clinic now offers RX tablets, which would allow me to do that. But I sort of feel like being "in control" of what I eat on my load, rather that at the mercy of the hotel we're staying at, etc. I'm thinking I'd rather maintain while away. It's a very high end hotel, and there will be "reception" dinners and breakfast in the dining room. I'm good at maintaining on vacations, and I've been avoided carbs and sugar for weeks, so I see no reason why I can't do it this weekend... then load when I come home, starting Monday.

What do you guys think? I'm just nervous about anything unknown, and the "tablets" for two days are an unknown.

[julieboolie]

Just a fly-by!

Reddy- even knowing it's coming it still stinks Dont' overthink the food stuff while you're away. Allow yourself to grieve and enjoy the memories while sharing w. family and friends. You know how to re-lose anything you gain!

I'm up a bit, 5lbs from my target, but enjoyed my weeken . Back to clean LC today and I know it'll got back down .

[C'Marie]

Vness, if you think grains are causing you a reaction, my first thought goes to wheat. I can't eat it anymore or I ache something fierce. You could try eliminating it altogether for several weeks and then doing a food test yourself, not a doctor's test - which often is completely inconclusive. That's what I did and it was real obvious. I had no wheat for 2 weeks then had 3 pieces of regular pizza. I ached for 4 days afterwards.

Originally Posted by vness

Been a little rogue lately, but I am maintaining and not gaining. Anyone notice that when they add carbs back they ache? I am like seriously paying for it I think...
I used to blame it on the weight gain from the Hashis.. but while on the LC and HCG i had NO aches.. I am young(ish..39) and have no other issues.. but my god my joints are screaming like a 90 year old arthritic woman today
I know if I eat to many carbs i definately get "bloated" and boggeed down and sometimes break out in hives.. Think I may be "allergic" to some sort of grain
Anyone else ever experience this?

On another note.. Keep Up the good work everyone
Reddy.. Sorry for you loss.

[shelbyla]

Hi everyone! So here's my potato hack summary. Re-post from the hack thread over in JUDDD so apologies for the repeat...

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So I am back from my weekend of indulgence (wine, food, etc.) with some conclusions about my 4 days of potatoes. I did 4 full days, with russets (baked) and reds (boiled), with no condiments other than malt vinegar, salt, and pepper.

I tracked a number of different variables in my days including blood sugars at various points during the day. Unfortunately, I wasn't always able to get every reading (starting testing consistently the eveving of day 2) so I'm not really sure how accurate or conclusive any of this is.

1. Fasting blood sugar: I consistently saw fasting bg readings between 80 and 90, with a low of 81 and a high of 87. My fasting bg usually runs in the mid-80's on a normal low-carb diet. The high was actually AFTER medication so I'm not sure that one can/should be counted. I also don't feel that a difference of 2-3 points in bg numbers (81, 84, 85, 87) is significant. Conclusion: an all-potato diet has no material impact on my fasting bg.

2. Pre-lunch blood sugar: Generally speaking, I do not eat breakfast and just have coffee or tea until around noon. Pre-lunch numbers were a low of 70 and a high of 85. No obvious correlation between eating time, actual amount of coffee or tea ingested, or coffee vs. tea. Conclusion: inconclusive.

3. 1 hour post-prandial blood sugar: Here's where it gets interesting. I started bg monitoring of mid-day blood sugar at this point on Wednesday (day 3 of the hack). Blood sugars were 122, 115, 91 and 91. The last two days were low carb and NOT potato hack days but seeing the number drop from 122 to 115 in days 3 and 4 was encouraging. I saw a similar pattern in the 1 hour PP evening blood sugar readings. Generally, I was eating slightly more potatoes at night so the higher numbers do not surprise me: day 2, 143, day 3, 132, day 4, 125, day 5 (low carb), 107. Conclusion: quicker blood sugar recovery the more days on the hack, with continuing improvement after return to low-carb.

4. Weight loss: I started the week with my usual 3 pound Saturday/Sunday bloat. Sunday morning I was at 145.5 and saw 148.5 Monday morning. Weight looked like this subsequently:
Day 1 - 148.5 (PD)
Day 2 - 147.2 (PD)
Day 3 - 146.9 (PD)
Day 4 - 145.5 (PD)
Day 5 - 145.6 (LC)
Day 6 - 144.4 (LC)
Conclusion: For me this wasn't a magic weight loss pill BUT I haven't been able to crack the 145 barrier in a while so that was at least nice to see.

5. Retention of weight loss: Saturday, I ate a single low-carb meal (steak and brussels sprouts) but had a lot of wine that evening. Yesterday morning I was working so I didn't weigh. Yesterday during the day, there was a little bit of a hangover, little to no activity (couch potato), lots of eating--turkey chili with cheese and sour cream, fruit, fudgey peanut coconut bars, almond butter and dried peaches, and chicken thighs. This morning I saw...you guessed it...a 3 pound gain to 147.4. Now quite a bit of this is likely bulk from what I ate yesterday so stayed tuned for how quickly it drops off this week. Conclusion: No apparent "immunity" to weight gain from an UUAD, as y'all call them around here. Boo!

**Side note: I don't eat chili much and I DO love legumes, but I think I have to come down on the anti-bean side after yesterday. Ugh! Way too much GI distress for it to even be worth it.

6. Alcohol consumption: As mentioned I DID drink for the first time in about two weeks Saturday night. I had red wine only and consumed probably about 6 glasses over the course of 7 hours which is significantly MORE than I drank the last time I had wine. I DID seem to have a much better tolerance; the wine didn't significantly impact my speech or my coordination; I had a little bit of a headache yesterday but nothing dramatic (probably crummy quality wine!). Conclusion: potato hack improved alcohol processing in the body HOWEVER conclusion #2: also obviously still having "munchie" issues that are bg related after drinking. Boo! Next time I will try a PD to stop the munchies. Curious if that would work.

7. Ketosis: I experienced symptoms of ketosis days 3 and 4 but not days 1 or 2. It continued into the two days following. Conclusion: Ketosis IS possible on a diet of pure carbs. Not really certain how to explain that but it was definitely true.

8. Cravings: Dramatic reduction in cravings for, well, anything really. Potatoes were fine, right up until the 4th day when I think I began to get some boredom cravings. I could completely see myself going off the rails if I went too much longer. The lack of cravings continued well into days 5 and 6 though and I didn't actually go crazy my first day off the hack which is great given my predilection for the feast/famine mentality! Conclusion: I think, FOR ME, 4 days would be the limit.

9. Mood: Definite positive impact to stress levels and mood. I was calmer and more even keeled in the last week, particularly given my level of work and personal stress. Conclusion: potatoes have some sort of calming effect for my personal blood chemistry.

10. Hunger: Positive impact to hunger levels. Most days, calories were between 600 and 800 with very little appreciable hunger. At times, I even ate when I wasn't truly hungry, simply because if I hadn't my body would have been running around the neighborhood of 300 calories/day. I know that is not unusual for JUDDD but it's something that I like to keep an eye on, especially multiple days in a row as I wasn't doing calorie rotations, just eating potatoes. Conclusion: potatoes are very satisfying on minimal calorie levels and DDs on just potatoes may be immanently doable. It could allow me to try JUDDD again. It's the hunger on the DDs and the inevitable UUADs that followed that caught me up initially.

9. Sleep and impact to exercise performance: While my sleep was better than normal a couple of the nights, there wasn't a consistent pattern. I saw no impact to my exercise performance. And yeah, there is the shoe thing. Somehow, I lost a half-size in my shoes last week. Seriously.

So that's my summary. I liked the potato hack. I think it's an excellent tool in the toolbox. I'm not sure it does a lot for me for weight loss but that could really be because I am very very close to my ideal weight and my body just likes the upper 140's (I'm 5'9"). I will probably continue to play around with variations, including morning protein meal/evening potato meal, regular JUDDD rotations with only potatoes, and possibly a return to JUDDD proper, using potatoes on DDs to increase satiety. All in all, a very very interesting experiment!

[LaraSuzz]

Ugg. I shouldnt have weighed this morning. Not even gonna say how much I gained from eating cookies (work christmas cookie exchange)and pasta yesterday. They werent even that good. Well some of them were. I was so close to being at liw. Now I'm far but i think I can get it down fairly quickly.

Usually on the weekends my mom and I go out to eat, and I gain 2lbs or so. (because of carbs) I will have to change what I eat if I want to get back to where I was. Its the 11th of Dec I have 20 days, but at least 5 of those will be party days. ugg.
I talk to people at work a lot about my diet and the other day one of them turned around and said "why dont you just eat what you want." I was kind of shocked cause usually she doesnt say anything. Over the last two years shes gained about 40 lbs. I wanted to say why... but why? I will try to keep my eating to myself from now on becasue obviously she is bothered. So I let that talk myself into getting a cheeseburger and fries yesterday just to prove that I could. this was before the cookies and then my dumb idea for pasta at dinner.

So this is my deal i am not going to eat out on the weekends anymore. I enjoy cooking and if I want something I will make it so that I know whats in it. My mom is always the first person to point out that I should be on a diet and the first to suggest eating out. I truly think she tries to sabotage me constantly.
I will not discuss diet at work anymore. These people eat Cheetos all day. Even for breakfast. Yesterday they were cheering me on for eating a burger. It wasnt even that good. They dont get it and they never will. I mean realklky if they cared wouldnt they support me? Its my fault. I will not let them pull me in. Thats it.
I dont want anyone saying to me its my fault for talking with them about it in the first place. Some people here have done that and it made me feel ashamed. (no one currently here and thats why theyre gone too because they cant persevere but I can and I will)
I have a christmas lunch party this Friday that I have to eat at andthen two more next week that are my choice. I may decidem not to go. I dont want anyone looking at me asking why I didnt eat something. Its none of their biz.

ok im done. I'm telling you all this because you are the ONLY people that understand me. Im sitting here at work on the verge of tears because of my choices.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Vness, if you think grains are causing you a reaction, my first thought goes to wheat. I can't eat it anymore or I ache something fierce. You could try eliminating it altogether for several weeks and then doing a food test yourself, not a doctor's test - which often is completely inconclusive. That's what I did and it was real obvious. I had no wheat for 2 weeks then had 3 pieces of regular pizza. I ached for 4 days afterwards.

My aches are from sugar. I loaded and am so sore Just touch me and I cringe. I cannot tell if it is wheat in combo with the sugar--is there wheat in candy bars but I do know that every load I do that is NOT low carb, I am sore for days. I am hypothyroid too, not hashis but have thyroid issues. Never thought my aches were from thyroid, just food.

[dawnyama]

Lara that is awful that your co-workers treat you like that. I am wishing you a much better week this week.

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Lara that is awful that your co-workers treat you like that. I am wishing you a much better week this week.

Thank you. I cant even say that I think they mean well.
I hope you feel better. Sometimes when I load I do a laxative cause I feel so awful.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Thank you. I cant even say that I think they mean well.
I hope you feel better. Sometimes when I load I do a laxative cause I feel so awful.

Remember that when I first started work and would do hcg I didn't even tell a singe soul at work that I was on a diet. Didn't want the comments or judgements. Only when others at work started the same diet, did I speak up. Now when I would start a new round, I got the comments...."why are YOU going on a diet?" from those not on the diet as well as those on it. That made me sorry for speaking up about it at all. I thought I would get support and tips. All I got was grief, reminding me why I keep those things to myself! Glad to be doing this round away from work

I feel great today. Not very sore at all. I think the water whooshing away helped tremendously. Looking forward to more of the whooshing today! I start my colon cleanse today. Forgot to take it yesterday.

[pandora174]

R3P3D21 & up +1.8 to 2.4 over ldw This is sooo discouraging. I am eating clean P3, little carbs, high healthy fat, drinking my water, keeping sodium low, not eating anything processed, not over doing it on dairy, taking my supplements, didn't exercise yesterday...

So that being said I can not wrap my head around a correction day today. Last night I slept horribly, woke up at 2 am & tossed & turned all night until I woke up at 6 am. Today woke up with cramps & headachy. I also was super cranky yesterday. Work is really stressful right now. TOM is next week so maybe it's decided to come in earlier, who knows.

That being said today going to eat high protein/healthy fat & see what tomorrow brings. If I keep going up then I'll do a egg day tomorrow (have plenty of eggs). My son's b-day is Thursday & now I'm stressed about that as well.

@ Lara hang in there. People can be so petty & mean. I'm starting my next round in Jan and not telling anyone at work. All I get are the "you are done right ?" comments & I have a work lunch on Friday that all eyes are on me & what I eat or don't eat.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Hey Lara I understand how you feel. It's like people most people find it so strange for someone to eat healthy or different than them. I look at those people like you should be eating like me I'm not the odd one. I try to keep my diet to myself because everyone thinks its either extreme or wrong. I'm the one that has to look in the mirror at my self and I refuse to let anyone influence me or guilt me into eating their junk. You are doing great and have put in a lot of work to get where you are. Keep up the good work, you can do it

205.6 today ldw was 206.6... Hope everyone has a great day

[sweetlady2k]

P3d9 0.1 up from ldw. I ate horribly at a work holiday lunch and lost. 1.3 lbs... weird
I thought for sure I would have to do a CD

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by pandora174

R3P3D21 & up +1.8 to 2.4 over ldw This is sooo discouraging. I am eating clean P3, little carbs, high healthy fat, drinking my water, keeping sodium low, not eating anything processed, not over doing it on dairy, taking my supplements, didn't exercise yesterday...

So that being said I can not wrap my head around a correction day today. Last night I slept horribly, woke up at 2 am & tossed & turned all night until I woke up at 6 am. Today woke up with cramps & headachy. I also was super cranky yesterday. Work is really stressful right now. TOM is next week so maybe it's decided to come in earlier, who knows.

That being said today going to eat high protein/healthy fat & see what tomorrow brings. If I keep going up then I'll do a egg day tomorrow (have plenty of eggs). My son's b-day is Thursday & now I'm stressed about that as well.
@ Lara hang in there. People can be so petty & mean. I'm starting my next round in Jan and not telling anyone at work. All I get are the "you are done right ?" comments & I have a work lunch on Friday that all eyes are on me & what I eat or don't eat.

Youre only .4 over LDW? sounds like stress lack of sleep and cramps are the culprit. Dont worry you will be ok. I bet if you get a lot of water good sleep and go to your happy place it might help?
hope you feel better hon.

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Hey Lara I understand how you feel. It's like people most people find it so strange for someone to eat healthy or different than them. I look at those people like you should be eating like me I'm not the odd one. I try to keep my diet to myself because everyone thinks its either extreme or wrong. I'm the one that has to look in the mirror at my self and I refuse to let anyone influence me or guilt me into eating their junk. You are doing great and have put in a lot of work to get where you are. Keep up the good work, you can do it
205.6 today ldw was 206.6... Hope everyone has a great day

Thank you!!!! and you're doing great! totally true they are eating so badly but its like people are really conditioned to think its ok, and look at me with my omlet and they ask me is it healthy to be eating all that protein? Someone actually said that to me this morning! lol its okay. My doctor says kutgw so go play on the highway if you dont like what i do. meh!

Repeat after me!

I am happy
I am healthy
I am beautiful

[julieboolie]

Shelby- Thanks for the summary!! Love your insights and experimentation! You've done great. I too rethink a JUDDD attempt. Not sure I could handle the DDs but I have resversatrol and pterostillbene that come highly recommended for hunger on DDs. Toying w. it.

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Ugg. I shouldnt have weighed this morning. Not even gonna say how much I gained from eating cookies (work christmas cookie exchange)and pasta yesterday. They werent even that good. Well some of them were. I was so close to being at liw. Now I'm far but i think I can get it down fairly quickly.

Usually on the weekends my mom and I go out to eat, and I gain 2lbs or so. (because of carbs) I will have to change what I eat if I want to get back to where I was. Its the 11th of Dec I have 20 days, but at least 5 of those will be party days. ugg.
I talk to people at work a lot about my diet and the other day one of them turned around and said "why dont you just eat what you want." I was kind of shocked cause usually she doesnt say anything. Over the last two years shes gained about 40 lbs. I wanted to say why... but why? I will try to keep my eating to myself from now on becasue obviously she is bothered. So I let that talk myself into getting a cheeseburger and fries yesterday just to prove that I could. this was before the cookies and then my dumb idea for pasta at dinner.

So this is my deal i am not going to eat out on the weekends anymore. I enjoy cooking and if I want something I will make it so that I know whats in it. My mom is always the first person to point out that I should be on a diet and the first to suggest eating out. I truly think she tries to sabotage me constantly.
I will not discuss diet at work anymore. These people eat Cheetos all day. Even for breakfast. Yesterday they were cheering me on for eating a burger. It wasnt even that good. They dont get it and they never will. I mean realklky if they cared wouldnt they support me? Its my fault. I will not let them pull me in. Thats it.
I dont want anyone saying to me its my fault for talking with them about it in the first place. Some people here have done that and it made me feel ashamed. (no one currently here and thats why theyre gone too because they cant persevere but I can and I will)
I have a christmas lunch party this Friday that I have to eat at andthen two more next week that are my choice. I may decidem not to go. I dont want anyone looking at me asking why I didnt eat something. Its none of their biz.

ok im done. I'm telling you all this because you are the ONLY people that understand me. Im sitting here at work on the verge of tears because of my choices.

Don't beat yourself up, learn from it, adapt, and make the changes you want to make. You are right, we DO understand and share the same struggle. Make choices based on what's best for you and let them all watch. They're likely jealous and feel guilty for the way they eat and live. You are a constant reminder to them of what they should be doing. If they can take you down they'll be justified in their own choices. Be strong and keep the big picture in mind!

Originally Posted by pandora174

R3P3D21 & up +1.8 to 2.4 over ldw This is sooo discouraging. I am eating clean P3, little carbs, high healthy fat, drinking my water, keeping sodium low, not eating anything processed, not over doing it on dairy, taking my supplements, didn't exercise yesterday...

So that being said I can not wrap my head around a correction day today. Last night I slept horribly, woke up at 2 am & tossed & turned all night until I woke up at 6 am. Today woke up with cramps & headachy. I also was super cranky yesterday. Work is really stressful right now. TOM is next week so maybe it's decided to come in earlier, who knows.

That being said today going to eat high protein/healthy fat & see what tomorrow brings. If I keep going up then I'll do a egg day tomorrow (have plenty of eggs). My son's b-day is Thursday & now I'm stressed about that as well.

@ Lara hang in there. People can be so petty & mean. I'm starting my next round in Jan and not telling anyone at work. All I get are the "you are done right ?" comments & I have a work lunch on Friday that all eyes are on me & what I eat or don't eat.

I agree, don't do a CD. Just keep it clean, get a good night's sleep and you'll be right back down.

Originally Posted by sweetlady2k

P3d9 0.1 up from ldw. I ate horribly at a work holiday lunch and lost. 1.3 lbs... weird
I thought for sure I would have to do a CD

WTG!! Something is working rihgt for you!!

Danw-enjoy the loading and losing!!

MOM-good job!!

everyone else I missed - Marie, Buttah, Kris, etc

I'm still sick . Day 7 of sinus infection 2012 Lost my voice 5 days ago (to the cheers and delight of my family ) and I'm SO ready to be well again. I didn't weigh today but ate LC yesterday. Really hungry all day and woke up hungry today. That's got to be the sugar/wheat detox from my weekend indulging. I am rarely hungry these days. Took my resversatrol and pterostillbene this morning and am hoping for appetite control. We'll see.

Puppy is good, cute and rambunctious! Been a while since I had a puppy, and I forget all that energy and biting!! Ouch! Cute little bugger though. Trying to make it though each day but not at my best. Hope to weigh in a day or so and be back in the 140's. I am still thinking about a round after Christmas. I don't want to do one, but I certainly have fat to lose. Not sure yet.

Have a good day all!

[dawnyama]

Julie--try to get some rest today I have lost my voice recently too. The great Thanksgiving 2012. My kids were thrilled me, not so much I know how it is I tried my best to not talk at all. It was very hard to do, and with you homeschooling I know it must be difficult, but worth it!! 2 days of not talking, my voice came back.

[Bitsky]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

I talk to people at work a lot about my diet and the other day one of them turned around and said "why dont you just eat what you want." I was kind of shocked cause usually she doesnt say anything. Over the last two years shes gained about 40 lbs. I wanted to say why... but why? I will try to keep my eating to myself from now on becasue obviously she is bothered.
I will not discuss diet at work anymore. These people eat Cheetos all day. Even for breakfast. Yesterday they were cheering me on for eating a burger. It wasnt even that good. They dont get it and they never will. I mean realklky if they cared wouldnt they support me? Its my fault. I will not let them pull me in. Thats it.
:

I can relate to the co-worker ...lack of support...or is it lack of common sense in what they say to people. A co-worker of mine that I was 'work' close with, we always chatted about stuff and he's actually one of the people who pointed me in the direction of HCG, his wife tried it and had good results. He also works out and tries every supplement under the sun. So one day I was expressing some of my tribulations regarding the diet like so many of us do...I think it's good for us to hash things out, that's how you get it figured. Anyway, he saw me eat something I shouldn't have and said, well that's why it's not working and why you're going to gain all the weight back plus some, why don't you just go run on a treadmill everyday? I told him that he wasn't being very positive and I hope he didn't talk to his wife that way and that I was just venting like he has in the past...just because I whined about one little thing doesn't mean my diet's out the window. I said, "if you don't have anything good to say you can leave my office" he said Ok and got up and left, we haven't spoken since...that was in June. Another annoying thing for me is, once someone at work knows I'm on a diet they watch me like a hawk, so when I do indulge they make comments.... I'll have a big salad and a slice of pizza, so they'll comment that my diet must be off, or when I go and work out at lunch and I come back with a treat... I get that it might make me take a couple steps back but I worked out! It's better than not doing anything and still having the treat. I also found with HCG it's really hard for people to see what I'm eating and think I'm going to lose weight or maintain. When you tell them you can have heavy whipping cream, coconut oil and eat lots of bacon they just look at you like you're crazy. It's frustrating. Whenever I go somewhere and ask for something to be sugar free but don't skimp on the whipped cream I usually get the wrong order because they are so confused. I know I've said this before but I really wish the HCG diet was more well known so we could ask for things "HCG style." I'm with you from now on, I'm not telling anyone I'm dieting or watching what I'm eating....if they happen to ask or comment about my svelte appearnce I will say 'diet and exercise' and leave it at that.
Our work X-mas party is this Friday, turkey, sweet and sour meatballs and cabbage rolls then there's the mashed potatoes and all that other jazz....I'm so excited about it and I'm ok with making sacarfices for the rest of the weekend. I'm sure there will be a couple people asking me if I should be eating that stuff.... lol I will then say, "should you be talking out loud?" and just walk away.. I'm feeling quite festive! lol

[buttah]

Originally Posted by buttah

just a week away from loading, unless I decide to load on my 2-day trip this coming weekend...

My clinic now offers RX tablets, which would allow me to do that. But I sort of feel like being "in control" of what I eat on my load, rather that at the mercy of the hotel we're staying at, etc. I'm thinking I'd rather maintain while away. It's a very high end hotel, and there will be "reception" dinners and breakfast in the dining room. I'm good at maintaining on vacations, and I've been avoided carbs and sugar for weeks, so I see no reason why I can't do it this weekend... then load when I come home, starting Monday.

What do you guys think? I'm just nervous about anything unknown, and the "tablets" for two days are an unknown.

Sorry to ask again, but I really do want your thoughts!

Just to be clear. My choice is to take my clinic's RX tablets with me this weekend, so I can load while on my fun trip, then go back to injections starting Monday. Or to wait until I get back Monday to load, use only tried and true injections AND be "in control" of my loading by being at home. That option means "maintaining" while on my 2 day trip, unless I want to start my second round higher than necessary. I'm so torn!

Help me decide!

[julieboolie]

Thanks Dawn. I'm trying to rest it, but it's so hard!

Buttah-fwiw, I'd enjoy loading while you're away and take any gains as part of the process. Maybe a good, indulgent load will set you up for a great round? Just MHO, but that's the only fun part of the plan! And you'd prob only gain a few lbs, and have a 2 day head start on your round.

[dawnyama]

Buttah--I am with Julie. Enjoy your trip!!! If you load while on your trip you would be ahead of the game. Not holding off on your round, that you are itching to start. But that is my opinion--I know nothing of the Rx tablets you are talking about. I don't know how they work.

[buttah]

Okay, here's the silly little thing that's stopping me from thinking that way. I'm going to an event back home Sunday night where lots of people will see me, people who haven't seen me recently. I want to feel as good and skinny as I do today. I fear if I've been loading for two days that I'll somehow look like I used to, rather than how I do today. And I'll feel gross, because I do feel gross during loading.

I know, it's crazy. But that's me.

According the clinic, the RX tablets sound like they dissolve similar to pellets. And so far they've had great luck with them. But they are RX!

I suppose I could travel with a cold pack with two injections in it. We are driving up north, and there's a fridge in the hotel, so it would just be the 5 hour drive I'd have to keep them cold for. Driving up Friday and flying back on Sunday.

ETA: the more I think about it, if I'm at risk of gaining on my weekend away, it might as well be load gain. I suppose if I do a low carb load (which I want to do anyway), it won't be THAT bad, right? I just dread the idea of tight clothes at my event on Sunday night!!

[tarheelkris]

Pandora, I too feel your pain, I was up 2 pounds exactly this morning to 129.4. Not happy could be considered an understatement. I am drinking my weight in water in today (slight exaggeration) and hoping for the best.

Lara, that is incredibly rude of your co-workers. May the Cheeto gods curse them with fat thighs and cellulite. I work for a husband and wife law firm. Both of them eat like hogs and are stick skinny, of course, they run marathons. They daily tell me how if I would just get out and run I could eat as much as them.

Julie, Sorry to hear that you aren't feeling well.

Shelby, thanks for sharing about the potato hack, I am intrigued.

On a brighter note, my middle school won yesterday 28-13. Season high score for us. hehehe

[buttah]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Thanks Dawn. I'm trying to rest it, but it's so hard!

Buttah-fwiw, I'd enjoy loading while you're away and take any gains as part of the process. Maybe a good, indulgent load will set you up for a great round? Just MHO, but that's the only fun part of the plan! And you'd prob only gain a few lbs, and have a 2 day head start on your round.

btw, I must be the only one who doesn't think loading is fun.

I hate it. I feel sick. I'd much rather be maintaining low carb-style and feeling GREAT! Losing this weight has so drastically re-framed my thinking about food (as in I feel like I'm wanting and CHOOSING better foods, not just because I "have to," and it just feels bad to even think about loading.

Julie, feel better, honey!

[Bitsky]

Originally Posted by buttah

btw, I must be the only one who doesn't think loading is fun.

I hate it. I feel sick. I'd much rather be maintaining low carb-style and feeling GREAT! Losing this weight has so drastically re-framed my thinking about food (as in I feel like I'm wanting and CHOOSING better foods, not just because I "have to," and it just feels bad to even think about loading.

Julie, feel better, honey!

I feel that same about loading and I totally get what you're saying about wanting to feel 'skinny' and that not being possible while loading. I felt gross during and after my 2 days and with it being my first time doing HCG I was really depressed right off the bat because of how I felt not to mention wondering if this diet was going to work and trying to not be sad about the VLCD lol. Now that I know how it all works I hopefully wouldn't be so upset about the feeling of the fullness, but yes I would have a hard time loading if I had something I wanted to feel tip top for.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

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I talk to people at work a lot about my diet and the other day one of them turned around and said "why dont you just eat what you want." I was kind of shocked cause usually she doesnt say anything. Over the last two years shes gained about 40 lbs. I wanted to say why... but why? I will try to keep my eating to myself from now on becasue obviously she is bothered. So I let that talk myself into getting a cheeseburger and fries yesterday just to prove that I could. this was before the cookies and then my dumb idea for pasta at dinner.

So this is my deal i am not going to eat out on the weekends anymore. I enjoy cooking and if I want something I will make it so that I know whats in it. My mom is always the first person to point out that I should be on a diet and the first to suggest eating out. I truly think she tries to sabotage me constantly.
I will not discuss diet at work anymore. These people eat Cheetos all day. Even for breakfast. Yesterday they were cheering me on for eating a burger. It wasnt even that good. They dont get it and they never will. I mean realklky if they cared wouldnt they support me? Its my fault. I will not let them pull me in. Thats it.
I dont want anyone saying to me its my fault for talking with them about it in the first place. Some people here have done that and it made me feel ashamed. (no one currently here and thats why theyre gone too because they cant persevere but I can and I will)
I have a christmas lunch party this Friday that I have to eat at andthen two more next week that are my choice. I may decidem not to go. I dont want anyone looking at me asking why I didnt eat something. Its none of their biz.

ok im done. I'm telling you all this because you are the ONLY people that understand me. Im sitting here at work on the verge of tears because of my choices.

I usually just look at them and say, "Do you WANT me to be overweight? Because if I eat THAT, I will be."

When I get the inevitable, "Just have a little, it won't hurt you" comment, I look them right in the eye and say, "A little of that <insert carb porn here> won't hurt me but see, I WILL stop at 7/11 on the way home and get a pound bag of M&Ms and eat them all. I WILL stop at the grocery and buy 12 cupcakes AND EAT THEM ALL. I have a problem with sugar. I know this. I don't have an 'off switch' for this stuff. It's totally a physiological thing. It's not that I don't WANT it--It's that I CAN'T have it." When they look at me blankly, I say, "How would you feel if you ate 12 donuts?" Usually they will say, "Sick" or "Nauseous." Then I say, "See? That wouldn't make me sick at all. In fact, I'd probably go get more sugar. See? I've got a problem. This is why I don't eat that stuff."

I put it all out there. They've seen me weigh 210 pounds. They've seen me lose it. Of ocurse, they've also seen me start getting tattoos at 45 years old... Point is, I just tell them what the issue is. They rarely give me cr@p about it after I go off on them once like that...

Btw, you are TOTALLY right that these people are NOT your friends if they know you are trying to lose weight then deliberately sabotage you. Doubly so if they then comment about how you need to lose weight. Being thin is the best revenge!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by buttah

btw, I must be the only one who doesn't think loading is fun.

I hate it. I feel sick. I'd much rather be maintaining low carb-style and feeling GREAT! Losing this weight has so drastically re-framed my thinking about food (as in I feel like I'm wanting and CHOOSING better foods, not just because I "have to," and it just feels bad to even think about loading.

Julie, feel better, honey!

Buttah - FWIW I would do EXACTLY as you choose to do! One day more or less, loading or not loading, on your round isn't going to make a difference anyway. Do what YOU like to make YOU feel good! You could also split the difference, take ONE shot with you, do it Sunday morning, eat nice and high fat/low carb Sunday, feel good for Sunday night, and enjoy your event skinny WHILE loading.

Just another option...

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by buttah

btw, I must be the only one who doesn't think loading is fun.

I hate it. I feel sick. I'd much rather be maintaining low carb-style and feeling GREAT! Losing this weight has so drastically re-framed my thinking about food (as in I feel like I'm wanting and CHOOSING better foods, not just because I "have to," and it just feels bad to even think about loading.

Julie, feel better, honey!

I guess you now have your answer

[buttah]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Buttah - FWIW I would do EXACTLY as you choose to do! One day more or less, loading or not loading, on your round isn't going to make a difference anyway. Do what YOU like to make YOU feel good! You could also split the difference, take ONE shot with you, do it Sunday morning, eat nice and high fat/low carb Sunday, feel good for Sunday night, and enjoy your event skinny WHILE loading.

Just another option...

I was JUST thinking this!

I guess my only other factor to consider is that I plan to load low (or no) carb Atkins induction style (to help stave off hunger AND limit gain). Hopefully I'll have access to things like cream cheese, bacon, nuts, etc. I guess that's not too hard. Some SF whipped cream or SF cheese cake would be nice, too, but that probably won't be possible where we'll be.

Thanks, guys!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

@ Shelby I agree! Thin is the best revenge

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Good morning ladies! 204.6 today. Ldw was 206.6