P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL DECEMBER 2012

[buttah]

Guys, I have a question about the Greek Yogurt correction day. If I ever did a CD (I did one steak day; never again), this would be the one I'd choose. But I'm perplexed by it, because GY has lots of carbs, right? The full fat Voskos I have on hand has 15g per container, and a GYCD would be 3 or 4 of those, correct? So what is the "chemistry" behind this working as a CD? I get why a steak day would work, or any kind of Atkins induction day. But why do you think a GYCD works?

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Shrinking

I am back from my bump in weight. TOM came today and I was back to 196.2. Whew! What is amazing is I actually 'felt' the 3.5#. My weight used to fluctuate by 5# in a day I never knew the difference. It feels good to know that difference now!

I think during my next round it will be time reevaluate my goals. So exciting!

Isn't it weird how we can totally tell the difference with just a few pounds?? I was thinking exactly this to myself the other day--that I am only 3-5 pounds over where I really want to be and in the grand scheme of things that is really NOTHING! I mean could anyone but me tell? Probably not. BUT, I still want to stay on top of it so 5 doesn't become 10!

As far as re-evaluating goals, before hCG I would have NEVER attempted to get to where I am now. I thought if I could hit 160 (mid-range "healthy" weight for me) that would be all I could possibly hope for. But I was able to get into the 140's and really stick them. This is where I want to be from here on out! Shoot for the moon!

Originally Posted by buttah

What is the deal with coconut water? We've had it in our house for years, mostly for my son. What does it have to do with P3, P4, or low carb?

And potatoes? Eating potatoes all day? This seems very anti-HCG/anti-low carb so I'm really curious what it's all about (that one may have been in the "all phases" thread).

Coconut water has a lot of potassium so it helps with electrolyte balance and thus water retention, usually from too much sodium or booze.

Eating potatoes all day - this is a biohack (that's what "hack" is short for). Essentially it's manipulating body chemistry (or biology in general) by radically changing supplements, nutrition, or both for short periods of time. Shocks the body chemistry into doing what you want it to do.

The potato (bio)hack is about insulin and has been a significant topic over on Mark's Daily Apple blog (hundreds of pages over there if you've got plenty of time on your hands). Essentially, you eat potatoes and nothing BUT potatoes for 3-7 (?) days. No fat, no protein, no toppings other than vinegar, sf ketchup or other FF condiments. No fruit, no veggies, just potatoes. I'm not a scientist or a doctor nor do I play one on TV but here is what I've absorbed so far. The idea behind it is that by removing ALL fat from the diet (similar to the hCG), the body is forced to mobilize free fatty acids, thus causing a fat loss. Another theory has to do with insulin response and blood glucose. By eating potatoes and ONLY potatoes, your body SPIKES insulin, and then it drops superlow because free fatty acids are mobilized to deal with the spike. Voila, ketosis because there has been a vacuuming up of glucose. Glucose gets very quickly cleared from the blood and over time, this mechanism becomes more efficient, possibly restoring insulin sensitivity

I am doing this potato hack--day 4 right now--and am seeing some very interesting results. I went into it hoping to take off these pesky few pounds that are bugging me and decrease my carb sensitivity. I'll summarize the whole thing tomorrow after I finish but I will say that this is EXTREMELY easy, tasty, and has completely cured any sort of carb or sugar cravings that I have had. I am also seeing significant drops in blood sugar spikes each day that gives me hope that if I have a carb or two here and there, that it won't make me gain 5 pounds.

Originally Posted by julieboolie

You go girl!! WTG!! Great job w the exercise! I'm laying low until I'm feeling a bit better. If you drive through Huntington Beach en route to Irvine, check out Slaters 50/50. Bacon burger Hope all goes well!!


How hard is it to make and keep an appointment? I'll keep my $. I use Groupons and was hoping this would be a good match. Sigh.

Did a steak day. No food all day but we went out for dinner. Had a 6 oz sirloin, brocolli w. butter, and a ceasar salad. Not exactly by the book , but hopefully low cal enough to get that scale moving. I have had an upset tummy all day too, and TOM isn't very kind either. I'm ready for bed. Got some claritin-d today. Sure hope it works.

I may check out that bacon burger!

Hairdressers scare me! Sorry that had to happen! I guess you won't be going back to HER!

Excellent results on steak day!

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Good morning ladies, I'm a 207.2 today... I'm very excited that I'm Down a pound from yesterday,

WTG!!! Yay!

[buttah]

Thanks, Shelby!!! I can imagine eating just potatoes for a day, but 3-7 days? Nuh uh!

Did you see my question at the top of the page about GYCD's? Would love any thoughts you or anyone else may have on that.

[dawnyama]

Well, I had a very yucky kind of day yesterday. I had 1 sick child stay home from school and then had to pick up the other one. Amy had a sore throat and let her sleep in, didn't want to go to school later so she didn't. Her school was hit so hard with the flu that they called last night to notify us---if your child is sick, have them stay at home. It was also to warn us LOL. When I went to get Kyle, he was so grey that I didn't know what hit him. He said his tummy and head hurt (just what Amy had the day before) and he looked like he would puke in a second. He didn't throw up but he wasn't right all day. Then when we were getting ready for bed, we were deciding if we should call 911 to have them take him to the ER or have us take him in. He ended up not needing to go, but he was close. This asthma stuff is pretty serious stuff!! Scared me to death. He is home again today and doing much better!! Thank God. Needless to say my eating is nothing compared to what my little ones are gong through. Not even worrying about it right now. Just glad I am doing a new round real soon. I have a couple things I need to bake for this weekend, so good thing I can load and eat them LOL.

[shelbyla]

All right ladies so now that I am out of the closet... As you might notice above, I am on day 4 of the potato hack and will give a complete summary tomorrow. I haven't seen a HUGE amount of weight lost on this (ONLY as of today down to where I was Sunday morning--145.5) BUT I have heard from people who know more about it than I do, that sometimes the losses show up days later. I have also seen things changing the farther I am into it, which again will summarize tomorrow.

I am hopeful that it will do a couple of things:

1. Allow me to use this as a DD or "down-day" tool if I want to try JUDDD again. I had a really hard time with JUDDD but this might make it easier or possible as I am ABSOLUTELY NOT HUNGRY on 500-700 calories of potatoes, nor am I craving other things or sick of potatoes.
2. A tool to reduce sugar and carb cravings in general. I have purely physiological response to carbs that makes it really hard to say no to them sometimes. I have to literally avoid aisles in the supermarket to keep from buying things I shouldn't have. On this hack, I look at carbs and sugary things and just go, "meh."
3. A tool to help reduce cravings set off by booze. I've mentioned this before but I have THE worst time staying away from sweets or overeating the day after I drink. Even small amounts of alcohol produce this response for me. I'd love to be able to have alcohol and not have to deal with this the day later. I hope that it reduces them overall (the insulin response/blood sugar thing) but if it doesn't, I may try a day of just potatoes after a day of drinking to see if it kills the cravings. I guess we'll see this Sunday!
4. As I mentioned above, a reduced carb sensitivity. It seems that any time I eat carbs, my weight bounces up 3-5 pounds easy. Then it takes me 3-7 days to get it off. Which doesn't seem right physiologically. Certainly not fair! I'd like to be able to see a normal amount of water weight gain that drops off the next day or two.

Anyway, that's kind of what's going on. Like I said, JUST now back to Sunday's weight but curious to see what tomorrow and the weekend might bring. As a big proponent of hCG, I also can't help but wonder what this might be like while taking hCG...hmmm...

to everyone I missed above!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by buttah

Thanks, Shelby!!! I can imagine eating just potatoes for a day, but 3-7 days? Nuh uh!

Did you see my question at the top of the page about GYCD's? Would love any thoughts you or anyone else may have on that.

Buttah - I think it has something to with the low calorie (calories are around 1200), high fat as opposed to the carbs. The carbs in GY are from milk sugars, much of which is broken down by the fermentation process (as I understand it) so they do not have as much impact as other kinds. Not very scientific but HTH somewhat.

[cocoapeanut]

I also did the potato thing only for 3 days! Didn't really net much of a loss (technically 0.4) but I did notice that I wasn't hungry on only ~600 cals of straight potatoes. It also killed cravings for sweets and food in general. Two good things to remember in the future!! On the downside, I was kind of sleepy throughout the day. Even so, I'm willing to have it as a tool in the ol' toolbox for future experimentation.

On the point of not craving sweets and carbs -- on very LC, I will still crave sweets and the like after a while. LC treats help to a point but the cravings never really go away for me. This makes me think that perhaps the body actually needs a certain amount of glucose (although obviously not as much glucose as most people eat nowadays), therefore making one crave them? Just pondering over here

All that said, I will probably bring back a little more "safe starch" into my life! Also tempted to experiment with cyclical keto, i.e. 4-5 days of zero carb and 2-3 days of higher carb, or maybe 4 days ZC and one day carb refeed over and over. I've always wondered how that would go. I think up way too many experiments for my own good

[dawnyama]

cocoa--I think you are right on that one. I am reading a book right now by Jenny Ruhl. She is on the web, her site is bloodsugar101 and I got her book of the same name when my DD was first diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. She also has a book out called "Diet 101: The Truth About Low carb diets". I got the sample so only read a little bit, but she explains this very thing (glucose) in her book. She did a couple of podcasts with Jimmy Moore too and that was what encouraged her to write this low carb book. Anyway, fascinating stuff in her book. And she says that the info inside will "shock you" LOL. The thing I remember her saying was that "anyone with normal blood sugars will lose on a low calorie diet". That has stuck in my mind. However, I don't have normal blood sugars. When I am "good" I do, but I don't if I eat what I want. So who knows??? Anyhow, when my DD got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes I just knew that when they told me she "needs glucose" they were off their rockers. Now my tune is changing, slowly but surely. It goes against everything I have learned, believed in and practiced in the last 13+ years since going low carb. But now I am wondering.....what is the best way to eat? I am so confused more now than ever. Geesh, you are right. Too much information maybe isn't the best way to go. One can have info overload. LOL. Oh, and I am sure that the glucose I would much prefer to ingest is NOT the very best one could get LOL.

[Reddy]

Hi Everyone,

Trying to catch up but it's a lot to read. Gathered some interesting things here and it seems that everyone is plugging along.

Shelby the potato thing is VERY interesting. I don't know that i could do 7 days of nothing but potatoes. 2 or 3 MAYBE but that's about it. I think.

Cocoa, I love your new profile picture it made me giggle.

Looks like a few of you are moving towards P2 again soon, Dawn, Julie, and buttah...

I got a message from the clinic that I get my HCG from today that they are doing a special $99 for a 26 day round. Tempted me to pick it up. I am on the fence. I don't NEED to do another round but I'm currently LIW + 4 and I suspect that my 10 days in CALI at Christmas will include some indulgences on my fav foods out there so I have a feeling come January I'll need to do SOMEHING. I could stand to lose 15lbs from where I am currently and I'd love to get down to a low weight before I consider getting pregnant again which will probably be in the cards in about 6 months or so.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Sticking to low carb and feeling better, 2 weeks until Cali. Gotta get my self good and stable and back in my window (just 2lbs to get back in)

Going to make a point to try and check back every day! Sorry I'm not responding to everyone individually...

[sweetlady2k]

On my 5th day of p3 and just. .1 above my ldw. I think that I am gettting the hang of this Shelby I also was following the posts on the potato hack wih interest. It seems amazing that the potatos with no butter or oil can not make you gain! Lol what I really find interesting is your take on them curbing sweet cravings. Sweets are my downfall everytime I get to goal I add in too many. I would much rather have coconut cake than pasta lol. But another thing is for some reason I have always been able to add in way more sweets before I really start gaining than savory type carbs. As soon as I eat pasta or biscuits I feel bloated the next day. Any ideas on this? Its a non issue right now as I am in p3 with no carbs lol. My "sweet" for the day is blueberry coffee with sweetnlow and cream right now

[LaraSuzz]

no loss today. I had some lettuce and tomatoes grr. plus I did have sf whipped cream in my coffee. so i dunno. maybe i will not eat dinner.
then I say its Friday I want something good.... argh.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Well I ate something new yesterday lol I ate 6 oz of lightly salted almonds yesterday. And another homemade bacon cheese burger. I also had a coffee with heavy cream and water yesterday. I actually am down today! 206.4 ldw was 206.6....this is exciting

Hope every is having a good morning

[pandora174]

Morning Ladies ! P3R3D17 & up +.02...I know I experimented yesterday & had about an extra 100 cal & I've figured out for me the cal range to maintain should be 1500 to 1600.

That being said since it seems like I am stabilizing at the exact top top of my ldw I had given myself a 1 lb bump so to speak (ldw 129.2 and instead of 127.2/131.2 I am using 128.2/132.2) so today I am 131.4 & I feel like I'm cheating since I upped the range by a 1 lb. I know it's crazy and doing 2 correction days resulted in losses and then a slow gain until my weight goes back to 131ish..

Ok whine over ! Going to keep an eye on the scale tomorrow. Today will do a high protein day & lots of healthy fats & see what tomorrow brings. I'm ok as long as I am 131 but at 132 I start to feel uncomfortable so if for any reason I keep going up I'll do a Greek yogurt day & see what happens.

[julieboolie]

Lots of good posts here today!!

Originally Posted by buttah

Guys, I have a question about the Greek Yogurt correction day. If I ever did a CD (I did one steak day; never again), this would be the one I'd choose. But I'm perplexed by it, because GY has lots of carbs, right? The full fat Voskos I have on hand has 15g per container, and a GYCD would be 3 or 4 of those, correct? So what is the "chemistry" behind this working as a CD? I get why a steak day would work, or any kind of Atkins induction day. But why do you think a GYCD works?

I am a scientist, but can't really explain why this works. I do partially believe the "yogurt exception" where the bacteria in the yogurt "digest" the lactose from the milk, thereby the actual carb content on GY is much lower than the label indicates. You can search this online, I'm not doing a good job explaining it. Like Shelby said, I think the high fat/lower protein is why this works. Much easier (for me) then the steak day, btw.

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Isn't it weird how we can totally tell the difference with just a few pounds?? I was thinking exactly this to myself the other day--that I am only 3-5 pounds over where I really want to be and in the grand scheme of things that is really NOTHING! I mean could anyone but me tell? Probably not. BUT, I still want to stay on top of it so 5 doesn't become 10!

As far as re-evaluating goals, before hCG I would have NEVER attempted to get to where I am now. I thought if I could hit 160 (mid-range "healthy" weight for me) that would be all I could possibly hope for. But I was able to get into the 140's and really stick them. This is where I want to be from here on out! Shoot for the moon!



Coconut water has a lot of potassium so it helps with electrolyte balance and thus water retention, usually from too much sodium or booze.

Eating potatoes all day - this is a biohack (that's what "hack" is short for). Essentially it's manipulating body chemistry (or biology in general) by radically changing supplements, nutrition, or both for short periods of time. Shocks the body chemistry into doing what you want it to do.

The potato (bio)hack is about insulin and has been a significant topic over on Mark's Daily Apple blog (hundreds of pages over there if you've got plenty of time on your hands). Essentially, you eat potatoes and nothing BUT potatoes for 3-7 (?) days. No fat, no protein, no toppings other than vinegar, sf ketchup or other FF condiments. No fruit, no veggies, just potatoes. I'm not a scientist or a doctor nor do I play one on TV but here is what I've absorbed so far. The idea behind it is that by removing ALL fat from the diet (similar to the hCG), the body is forced to mobilize free fatty acids, thus causing a fat loss. Another theory has to do with insulin response and blood glucose. By eating potatoes and ONLY potatoes, your body SPIKES insulin, and then it drops superlow because free fatty acids are mobilized to deal with the spike. Voila, ketosis because there has been a vacuuming up of glucose. Glucose gets very quickly cleared from the blood and over time, this mechanism becomes more efficient, possibly restoring insulin sensitivity

I am doing this potato hack--day 4 right now--and am seeing some very interesting results. I went into it hoping to take off these pesky few pounds that are bugging me and decrease my carb sensitivity. I'll summarize the whole thing tomorrow after I finish but I will say that this is EXTREMELY easy, tasty, and has completely cured any sort of carb or sugar cravings that I have had. I am also seeing significant drops in blood sugar spikes each day that gives me hope that if I have a carb or two here and there, that it won't make me gain 5 pounds.

I may check out that bacon burger!

Hairdressers scare me! Sorry that had to happen! I guess you won't be going back to HER!

Excellent results on steak day!
WTG!!! Yay!

Glad you expounded on your potato experiment below. I'll keep watching for your final conclusions. I can vouch for Slaters, but if you're avoiding carbs, skip their amazing shakes!

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Well, I had a very yucky kind of day yesterday. I had 1 sick child stay home from school and then had to pick up the other one. Amy had a sore throat and let her sleep in, didn't want to go to school later so she didn't. Her school was hit so hard with the flu that they called last night to notify us---if your child is sick, have them stay at home. It was also to warn us LOL. When I went to get Kyle, he was so grey that I didn't know what hit him. He said his tummy and head hurt (just what Amy had the day before) and he looked like he would puke in a second. He didn't throw up but he wasn't right all day. Then when we were getting ready for bed, we were deciding if we should call 911 to have them take him to the ER or have us take him in. He ended up not needing to go, but he was close. This asthma stuff is pretty serious stuff!! Scared me to death. He is home again today and doing much better!! Thank God. Needless to say my eating is nothing compared to what my little ones are gong through. Not even worrying about it right now. Just glad I am doing a new round real soon. I have a couple things I need to bake for this weekend, so good thing I can load and eat them LOL.

So sorry the kids are sick!! Scary stuff. Try to get some rest, or else you'll be next! Hang in there!! I have been baking! It's so hard not to taste it. But I actually do better w. NO bites, than trying to control it. Saving the tollhouse cookies for Christmas eve and day (loading).

Originally Posted by shelbyla

All right ladies so now that I am out of the closet... As you might notice above, I am on day 4 of the potato hack and will give a complete summary tomorrow. I haven't seen a HUGE amount of weight lost on this (ONLY as of today down to where I was Sunday morning--145.5) BUT I have heard from people who know more about it than I do, that sometimes the losses show up days later. I have also seen things changing the farther I am into it, which again will summarize tomorrow.

Anyway, that's kind of what's going on. Like I said, JUST now back to Sunday's weight but curious to see what tomorrow and the weekend might bring. As a big proponent of hCG, I also can't help but wonder what this might be like while taking hCG...hmmm...

to everyone I missed above!

Very interesting. I like the idea of eating the carbs and becoming less sesitive to them (it's all you're eating, after all). Goes back to the RRARF stuff and recharging your metabollic rate w. the carbs too, I suspect. Not sure about the glucose and insullin response. That's a gray area for me, biologically speaking. Not sure if I'm insullin resisitant (suspect I am) and what that would mean in such an environment . You'll have to see what the longer term impact is on alcohol and carbier days. Glad you're looking into it.

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

I also did the potato thing only for 3 days! Didn't really net much of a loss (technically 0.4) but I did notice that I wasn't hungry on only ~600 cals of straight potatoes. It also killed cravings for sweets and food in general. Two good things to remember in the future!! On the downside, I was kind of sleepy throughout the day. Even so, I'm willing to have it as a tool in the ol' toolbox for future experimentation.

On the point of not craving sweets and carbs -- on very LC, I will still crave sweets and the like after a while. LC treats help to a point but the cravings never really go away for me. This makes me think that perhaps the body actually needs a certain amount of glucose (although obviously not as much glucose as most people eat nowadays), therefore making one crave them? Just pondering over here

All that said, I will probably bring back a little more "safe starch" into my life! Also tempted to experiment with cyclical keto, i.e. 4-5 days of zero carb and 2-3 days of higher carb, or maybe 4 days ZC and one day carb refeed over and over. I've always wondered how that would go. I think up way too many experiments for my own good

I too am shooting to maintain w/ higher carbs. I think it's better w. my thyroid. And cravings? I hear that! I'm working on a more balanced approach.

Originally Posted by dawnyama

cocoa--I think you are right on that one. I am reading a book right now by Jenny Ruhl. She is on the web, her site is bloodsugar101 and I got her book of the same name when my DD was first diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. She also has a book out called "Diet 101: The Truth About Low carb diets". I got the sample so only read a little bit, but she explains this very thing (glucose) in her book. She did a couple of podcasts with Jimmy Moore too and that was what encouraged her to write this low carb book. Anyway, fascinating stuff in her book. And she says that the info inside will "shock you" LOL. The thing I remember her saying was that "anyone with normal blood sugars will lose on a low calorie diet". That has stuck in my mind. However, I don't have normal blood sugars. When I am "good" I do, but I don't if I eat what I want. So who knows??? Anyhow, when my DD got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes I just knew that when they told me she "needs glucose" they were off their rockers. Now my tune is changing, slowly but surely. It goes against everything I have learned, believed in and practiced in the last 13+ years since going low carb. But now I am wondering.....what is the best way to eat? I am so confused more now than ever. Geesh, you are right. Too much information maybe isn't the best way to go. One can have info overload. LOL. Oh, and I am sure that the glucose I would much prefer to ingest is NOT the very best one could get LOL.

I'm working through a lot of this too. I haven't bought any books lately, b/c like you mentioned, I started to get confused and overwhelmed by it all. Part of my challenge w. all the science is that I have an underlying hormone imbalance and hypothyroid issue, so what works for the masses doesn't usually work for me. Like your mention that low cal would help "normal" people lose weight. didn't work for me. Maybe it'll work now that I'm healthier? Hcg works, but it's both LC and low cal, so not sure I can give all the credit to low cal?

Originally Posted by Reddy

Hi Everyone,

Trying to catch up but it's a lot to read. Gathered some interesting things here and it seems that everyone is plugging along.

Shelby the potato thing is VERY interesting. I don't know that i could do 7 days of nothing but potatoes. 2 or 3 MAYBE but that's about it. I think.

Cocoa, I love your new profile picture it made me giggle.

Looks like a few of you are moving towards P2 again soon, Dawn, Julie, and buttah...

I got a message from the clinic that I get my HCG from today that they are doing a special $99 for a 26 day round. Tempted me to pick it up. I am on the fence. I don't NEED to do another round but I'm currently LIW + 4 and I suspect that my 10 days in CALI at Christmas will include some indulgences on my fav foods out there so I have a feeling come January I'll need to do SOMEHING. I could stand to lose 15lbs from where I am currently and I'd love to get down to a low weight before I consider getting pregnant again which will probably be in the cards in about 6 months or so.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Sticking to low carb and feeling better, 2 weeks until Cali. Gotta get my self good and stable and back in my window (just 2lbs to get back in)

Going to make a point to try and check back every day! Sorry I'm not responding to everyone individually...

That's a good deal. I'd love to try the Rx one round, but not happening for me. I've got the pellets and am planning to load on Christmas. Glad you're heading back down. You'll do it, and be all set for your trip to CA. Good job staying on top of it!

Originally Posted by sweetlady2k

On my 5th day of p3 and just. .1 above my ldw. I think that I am gettting the hang of this Shelby I also was following the posts on the potato hack wih interest. It seems amazing that the potatos with no butter or oil can not make you gain! Lol what I really find interesting is your take on them curbing sweet cravings. Sweets are my downfall everytime I get to goal I add in too many. I would much rather have coconut cake than pasta lol. But another thing is for some reason I have always been able to add in way more sweets before I really start gaining than savory type carbs. As soon as I eat pasta or biscuits I feel bloated the next day. Any ideas on this? Its a non issue right now as I am in p3 with no carbs lol. My "sweet" for the day is blueberry coffee with sweetnlow and cream right now

You're rocking it!! I agree, my coffee/cream is my "treat" too!

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

no loss today. I had some lettuce and tomatoes grr. plus I did have sf whipped cream in my coffee. so i dunno. maybe i will not eat dinner.
then I say its Friday I want something good.... argh.

You have lost a lot this week. It'll come back off. Give it a bit of time

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Well I ate something new yesterday lol I ate 6 oz of lightly salted almonds yesterday. And another homemade bacon cheese burger. I also had a coffee with heavy cream and water yesterday. I actually am down today! 206.4 ldw was 206.6....this is exciting

Hope every is having a good morning

High fat works like a charm!! Good for you!!

Originally Posted by pandora174

Morning Ladies ! P3R3D17 & up +.02...I know I experimented yesterday & had about an extra 100 cal & I've figured out for me the cal range to maintain should be 1500 to 1600.

That being said since it seems like I am stabilizing at the exact top top of my ldw I had given myself a 1 lb bump so to speak (ldw 129.2 and instead of 127.2/131.2 I am using 128.2/132.2) so today I am 131.4 & I feel like I'm cheating since I upped the range by a 1 lb. I know it's crazy and doing 2 correction days resulted in losses and then a slow gain until my weight goes back to 131ish..

Ok whine over ! Going to keep an eye on the scale tomorrow. Today will do a high protein day & lots of healthy fats & see what tomorrow brings. I'm ok as long as I am 131 but at 132 I start to feel uncomfortable so if for any reason I keep going up I'll do a Greek yogurt day & see what happens.

Not much of a gain. You're doing fine. I also adjusted my "window" up. Otherwise I'd be miserable and fighting constantly. If my body naturally wants to be 147 I'll go w. that. (Still working on getting back there!!). I'd love that weight, btw. 131!! You're doing just fine.

[julieboolie]

Whew!! Good stuff ladies!! My post was too long, so I had to make a second one! I can get long winded

I'm down a smidge today to 149.4. Finally back into the 140's!! But barely!! I was hoping my body would more easily head back to it's "happy place". I'll keep at it today, planning a modified egg CD (kinda') and see where I land tomorrow. I'd love to see 147 something tomorrow. Not stressing it though. It'll come. The weekend (w. 2 parties) will be tough! But if I commit ahead of time to staying LC, I'll be fine. Not quite there yet though .

Still planning a new round after Christmas. My MIL is coming Dec 31 for a 2 week visit. That'll be challenging as she watches me like a hawk. She's overweight and really admires how successful I've been w. LC and losing weight. She'll be concerned by the VLC portions. Not sure I'll be able to hide it from her (she just won't understand if I explain it to her). We'll see. It'd be exciting to get into the 130's though. I think I can do it! I know I have abnormal fat to lose and hope that's where the expected losses will come from. I'd love to get to 137 as a LDW. We'll see.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by sweetlady2k

Shelby I also was following the posts on the potato hack wih interest. It seems amazing that the potatos with no butter or oil can not make you gain! Lol what I really find interesting is your take on them curbing sweet cravings. Sweets are my downfall everytime I get to goal I add in too many. I would much rather have coconut cake than pasta lol. But another thing is for some reason I have always been able to add in way more sweets before I really start gaining than savory type carbs. As soon as I eat pasta or biscuits I feel bloated the next day. Any ideas on this?

I think it may be the wheat. Are you eating sweets with wheat in them? I have WAAAAAY more issues with pasta or breads than I do with rice or potatoes which is one reason I chose to go ahead and try this. If it had been a pasta hack, I'm not sure I could have done it successfully. I will say that I had ABSOLUTELY no interest in sweets or anything else until late yesterday. And I think it was more boredom than anything. But more later!

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Very interesting. I like the idea of eating the carbs and becoming less sesitive to them (it's all you're eating, after all). Goes back to the RRARF stuff and recharging your metabollic rate w. the carbs too, I suspect. Not sure about the glucose and insullin response. That's a gray area for me, biologically speaking. Not sure if I'm insullin resisitant (suspect I am) and what that would mean in such an environment . You'll have to see what the longer term impact is on alcohol and carbier days. Glad you're looking into it.

Julie, one of the reasons that this sounded ok to me was your successful RRARFing over the summer. So thanks for being the guinea pig on that! You'll see more later but I definitely saw a decrease in the level of bg spikes. Very very interesting stuff. I am going to continue to monitor bg and everything else today and over the weekend and see if this has had any impact at all on...well, anything!

[dawnyama]

shelby--I would certainly love to see how it turns out when you return to "normal eating". LOL like anyone knows what THAT really is LOL. Oh well. I am looking forward to the results of your experiment. Sorry for letting the cat out of the bag.........

[C'Marie]

@sweetlady2k, I agree with Shelby, I think it's the wheat that is causing your bloat. I can't tell you how much better I feel without it! I did the potato "hack" also for 4 days and also lost my cravings for sweets. I did my full report on the all phases thread just now.

@julie, like Shelby, one of the considerations that made me do the potato thing was the rrarf theory. I need to be able to handle carbs (in limited portions) without it going crazy. I had that experience in the back of my mind before I began it. I also wanted to see if it would make me have joint pain, to put potatoes back in my life. I'm glad to say it didn't, at least for the limited time I did (4 days).

[miamiloca]

potatoes for 4 days? I need to log in more often!

[junkn]

hi guys!

dawn-sorry to hear about your kids. hope everyone is doing better. it sucks to have sick kids

shelbya- love your informative posts on here!! its like you summarize so much info for us in one post! good luck with the potato hack. i, like many on here, can't see eating just potatoes for so many days. but if it makes you full, then maybe i'll try it on a DD on JUDDD.

when i looked up potato nutritional facts it seems such high calories for one potato.

JUDDD is going fine. i feel DD im less hungrier now. i'm about two weeks into JUDDD and was one pound above my GOAL weight this week! then UD happened and i'm back to 2 pounds

[tarheelkris]

I ate eggplant with Miracle Noodles last night....big mistake! My stomach hurt all night long and I am up 1.8 this morning to 127.8. I am doing a steak day.

[LaraSuzz]

I'm down 1.4 today!!!! That's total of 6.2!! Crazy good!!!
I had my usual omlet coffee cream pork roast cheese salsa then I stopped myself and went to bed lol.

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by junkn

hi guys!

dawn-sorry to hear about your kids. hope everyone is doing better. it sucks to have sick kids

shelbya- love your informative posts on here!! its like you summarize so much info for us in one post! good luck with the potato hack. i, like many on here, can't see eating just potatoes for so many days. but if it makes you full, then maybe i'll try it on a DD on JUDDD.

when i looked up potato nutritional facts it seems such high calories for one potato.

JUDDD is going fine. i feel DD im less hungrier now. i'm about two weeks into JUDDD and was one pound above my GOAL weight this week! then UD happened and i'm back to 2 pounds

So glad JUDDD is going well for you!! You're doing great!! I have toyed w. giving it a serious go, but it seems the losses are so minimal for the regular sacrifice. I guess the hcg plan has left me greedy! If I'm only eating 500cals I want to see the scale go down . You're so close!! WTG!! You cute, tiny little lady!!

Kris- The noodles are high in fiber, arent' they? Could just be intestinal bulk weight? Hope your steak day goes well. I do better w. 2 smaller steaks. The true, wait all day to eat, steak day is so hard!

I'm down another lb to 148.4 today! Happy about that! I have my mom's bday party tonight, but will withstand the endless temptation and stick to my LC plan. I am so close to 147 that I will tough it out. I have another party tomorrow night and I may wander a bit then. We'll see. Not feeling deprived or craving anything, which is a good thing. I think all the free-for-all indulging I've done lately has satisfied that need for me. At least I hope so!

Hope you all have a great weekend and are right where you want to be!!

[julieboolie]

Lara-WTG!! NIce job girlie!! you really seem to have figured out your body's ways!! So happy for you!!

[pandora174]

Ok I can hardly believe this myself I am down -2.8 lbs this morning

I woke up at 6 am & weighed & it was 129.4 or down -2 lbs & I went back to bed, 2 hours later weighed 3x & it was 128.6 or -2.8 lbs which put me -1.6 under ldw on day 18 of P3

I have no idea what happened & I am so happy ! Here is the only things I can think of I did differently : I didn't exercise (but then the last 2 weeks there have been a few days I didn't exercise - so I don't really think this was it) & yesterday I had again 1700 calories but this time NO carbs.

Menu was coconut water/coffee with hwc/water, acv; B 2 eggs with Duke's mayo & guacamole, L ground chicken with a tbsp. of sour cream, S 7 pepperoni nuked in a slice of low moisture mozzarella (yummy), D 2 fried eggs in butter, 4 slices of reduced sodium bacon & 1.5 burger patty with more Duke's mayo

SO I added cheese, sour cream & extra calories & lost a ton ! My percentages were 71 % fat, 1 % carbs, 27 % protein. I've never had these losses with a correction day & eating the way I did. These are like P2 first week numbers for me.

Ok off to do a mani/pedi & going to keep eating this way though what I'm hoping for is not to lose anymore but maybe stabilize at 128/129 vs 131/132. We'll see tomorrow !

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by tarheelkris

I ate eggplant with Miracle Noodles last night....big mistake! My stomach hurt all night long and I am up 1.8 this morning to 127.8. I am doing a steak day.

you know every time I eat Miracle Noodles I gain & get constipated for days afterwards My pantry is full of the noodles/rice that I had bought a few months back & after 2 experiences like that I'm too scared to try. Maybe wait for P4 ? I tried them both times in P3 & had the above issues but last round in P4 I didn't gain (a lot) but maybe it was because they made me run to the bathroom. I think they don't agree with a lot of people.

Are you more than 2 over your ldw to do a steak day ? If only 1.8 your ok just eat clean today

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Way to go everyone!! Keep it up

I'm 206.6 today LDW was 206.6

[sweetlady2k]

P3d6 164.9 1lb below ldw! Am hoping to lose a little bit moree so I can resume my excersise workouts that I stopped when starting p2. Would like to get a jump start even though I plan on doing another round after loading around christmas.

[dawnyama]

Well, bit the bullet and started pellets this morning. Kind of not wanting to start another round, but not wanting to extend my round either too far into Jan. I have my son's birthday in Jan as well as a visit from my mom (not sure if it will be Jan 1, mid-Jan or late Jan, but sometime in Jan LOL!!) so getting it over sooner rather than later is best. Went out to eat for lunch and am ready to pop!! I love to load, but also hate it. I eat without guilt, but then feel ready to burst. Ugh.

[Jmelnn]

Hello ladies.. I have been luring for a few weeks reading back to your January 2012 posts.. I started on HCG injections on 10/1/12 and was successful at losing 39 lbs. Going into P3 I jumped in to fast and during the three weeks got as high as 299.. doing a few CD. Now I am happy to be back in my window at 293.5.. I have been eating mostly Adkins style these days and I am not even interested in adding any carb going into P4. I would like to loose 20 more lbs before I fly in Mid Jan but do not really want to start another round till March 1st. Any suggestions.. should I just continue p3 and cut calories..should I add aerobic bike riding.. or just be happy to maintain till I start again.
I have loved learning from you guys and look forward to trying more of your yummy recipes.. Thanks to helping to my first goal.