ON P2! ANYONE WANT TO JOIN ME.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

I think soy sauce would be a bad idea too. It's loaded with salt and isnt it a legume?

It would be the sodium I would worry about more, honestly. I don't think it has any carbs. I figured it would be better than Teriyaki!

[C'Marie]

@Pandora, I have never heard of losses like that even in week one. It has got to be because it went ON so fast with inflammation and water from vacation. I'm so happy for you!!!!

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

@Pandora, I have never heard of losses like that even in week one. It has got to be because it went ON so fast with inflammation and water from vacation. I'm so happy for you!!!!

I agree ! I think it came off so fast also because I jumped on a round immediately as well. Like I was on the pellets 2 days into my gorge and on vlcd 1 the day we were checking out of the hotel. I was eating P2 on way home in the car

I think it would not have come off so fast had I let it settle in kwim. And I know I gained 23 lbs because my pants did not fit, even my bra was tight and I had my husband re calibrate my scale the moment I got home and weighed my hubby & my son !

Well at least I'm not beating myself up about it & I can laugh about it & I definitely did not think it was funny last week.

[C'Marie]

Originally Posted by pandora174

I agree ! I think it came off so fast also because I jumped on a round immediately as well. Like I was on the pellets 2 days into my gorge and on vlcd 1 the day we were checking out of the hotel. I was eating P2 on way home in the car

I think it would not have come off so fast had I let it settle in kwim. And I know I gained 23 lbs because my pants did not fit, even my bra was tight and I had my husband re calibrate my scale the moment I got home and weighed my hubby & my son !

Well at least I'm not beating myself up about it & I can laugh about it & I definitely did not think it was funny last week.

THAT would've just added more water weight due to inflammation

[buttah]

So happy for you, Pandora!

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

THAT would've just added more water weight due to inflammation

that made me laugh !

Woke up R4P2D8 & -1.0 to 132.4 so I am now 1.4 away from pre-vacation weight. Let's see what the next 2 weeks brings !!

Reading WLA & got up to Chapter 3 last night. Want to finish it tonight or tomorrow. Just trying to wrap my head around the whys on when I over eat/binge. How to try to get a handle on it so next vacation I can enjoy myself without over eating. Trying to figure still out my "true hunger" that she's talking about. I thought I had it down pretty well this last round until this vacation. I guess it's a work in progress.

[buttah]

I know I said I would try to type up my vacation "no gain" method rules in the P3/P4, and I haven't had time, but I will say that I restrict carbs, enjoy myself with protein, eggs, omelets, fats, veggies and lovely sauces, and I do NOT get full. Ever!!! I also share deserts, something like every other day (which I "earn" by not eating bread, potatoes, rice, fries and NOT filling up.) I never have my own desert, but I've found I can be quite happy and fulfilled sharing. But the main thing? I do NOT FILL UP. Ever, ever, ever.

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by buttah

I know I said I would try to type up my vacation "no gain" method rules in the P3/P4, and I haven't had time, but I will say that I restrict carbs, enjoy myself with protein, eggs, omelets, fats, veggies and lovely sauces, and I do NOT get full. Ever!!! I also share deserts, something like every other day (which I "earn" by not eating bread, potatoes, rice, fries and NOT filling up.) I never have my own desert, but I've found I can be quite happy and fulfilled sharing. But the main thing? I do NOT FILL UP. Ever, ever, ever.

hmmm so is it that eating to hunger ? Trying to figure that out while I am reading WLA. Might be stupid but when do you stop eating ? In P2 for me it's pretty easy since the portions are so small. So I'm usually done when full anyway and when I' hungry again it's usually time to eat anyway. In
P3 I stop eating when I'm full & I eat when I'm hungry. I do have a small rule of not eating past 7 pm on P3/P4. As long as I do high protein/high fat/low carb I tend to not really get too hungry and find it easier to not over eat. IS that what you mean buttah ?

I do like the idea of rewarding myself and earning certain privileges. For ex I am not allowing any shopping until I finish this round or get to 125 whichever comes first. That's a big deal for me. I can see rewarding myself with a shared dessert if I eat clean.

[buttah]

I've posted this before, and believe it or not, people get pretty argumentative about it. It's like they want to retain the "RIGHT" to overindulge. So I'm not going to on and on, but here you go:


The hunger scale in a nutshell, 1 = starvation and 10 = ate so much you feel sick or it hurts. The object is when you are between a 3 (ready to eat NOW) and a 4 (getting hungry but could wait a bit) to eat as much AND ONLY AS MUCH as it takes to raise that level to between a 5 (neutral--neither hungry nor full) and a 6 (satisfied but not full). The key here being eating ONLY when the hunger signal is present—not because you are socially obligated, or you are bored, or you have the munchies, or you are stressed or depressed. As most of us know, that is WAAAY easier said than done and this is where the psychoanalysis piece of the book comes in.

You can also "manage" your hunger to be hungry at the time of a dinner or an event, but learning just how much of a little snack will get you back to being "ready to eat" at the right time. This is what I do.

Again, people will come out of the woodwork saying things like "the hunger scale doesn't work for me." To which I say, then you're eating a bit too much. And my two favorites: "but can't I enjoy food anymore?" and "haven't I earned the right to an indulgence with all my successful dieting?" The answers are YES (more isn't better - you can enjoy food without stuffing yourself) and NO (not if you want to live a thin life, like a normal person without food addiction issues.)

Having said all that, I DO stay away from carbs and sugar, even in P4 and even on vacations. I have desserts, but like i said, I share them. And not every day. That is my only carb/sugar.

Hope that helps.

OH, and I reward myself with new clothes. Much more fun than having bread at a restaurant before dinner!

[pandora174]

Ok I think I am getting it Buttah.. I do find that while P2 is hard it does put in perspective that I can eat small portions and be full - physically & after this vacation overload it sort of took the enjoyment off the whole trip. I was so stressed over the overindulgence that it took the fun out of the trip. The guilt after also didn't help. And while it's a relief I am losing the weight it doesn't make it ok or worthwhile (for me anyway).

So I guess it was a valuable lesson for me. This P2 is hard but emotionally strengthening. I think in WLA she makes reference to how P2 makes us stronger so we can identify our weaknesses. I am trying to get past the number on the scale to just where I feel right with my body & eating. I am looking forward to P3 again so I can find that balance I had right before vacation. I now can identify it. It's at the beginning of P4 where I was at a point where I enjoyed "my foods"/ was happy with my body/found it easy to say no to foods that were not "my foods". I look back at work lunches, meetings, restaurant outings, birthdays, Thanksgiving and Christmas etc with little to no gain and I did not feel deprived. I lost that briefly but I know now I had it and am working hard to get there again.

Thanks buttah

[buttah]

Yay, Pandora!

And something I really learned a lesson from - this round, I loaded REALLY high fat/protein/veggies. I was STUFFED to the brim. And it was delicious (we were at a 5 star hotel) And I gained only .8, if that (didn't weigh right before we left). So had I been on non-loading vacation, ate, say, half as much, and split desserts with my hubby (but not every day/meal), I can guarantee you I would not have gained an ounce!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Buttah Thank you for that!! I needed to read that!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

I'm down to 197.4 today... We went out to lunch after church today. I got a sirloin steak and lettuce. I had my water and coffee. I have my fingers crossed that I still lose tomorrow. I have never eaten out while on p2.

[C'Marie]

@Buttah, thanks for your perspective on vacations and the hunger scale.

I'm going through WLA now. I've said it before (somewhere - where, I dunno) that all through my life I never got the "signal" of hunger before. Seriously. I read about that once, (I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS MISSING IT) after I took phen-fen, and was reading some studies. I could go right past "hungry" to fainting because I never felt it. So as a CHILD I would just eat when mom said it was time to eat. Mom at the time was skinny, we ate good food and no snacks. I am not sure where the actual eating dysfunction actually happened to me. Maybe it was with fear/fear of abuse/scary stuff happening where I subconsciously decided I needed to be fat. I am not sure to this day. I know carbs have been a problem my whole life.

I know when I began actually dieting my freshman year in high school I surely didn't need to do it at all - goodness I wish I was that weight now that I thought was so fat! BUT Twiggy was the prominent figure in my psyche and I wanted to be like her. Then quickly came the anorexia and bulemia. I threw everything off in my body. THEN the gains came. And I can honestly say now I have received some level of healing in my body due to hcg (and to a lesser extent, JUDDD) whereby I am able to ascertain what hunger even means.

So I said all that to say, some of us really do not know what hunger even means. It isn't necessarily that we are so lazy like heavier people are characterized as (and I know you're not putting anyone down) or can't stand the empty feeling at all so we just keep eating. But really for me, honestly, I would look at food and the only time I actually felt to STOP eating was by the time I was Thanksgiving-day full. Unless I watched other people eat and just ate what I was served as a child, and stopped when everyone else did. And like I said, I could go from a feeling of nothing to "whoa, why did I pass out" way beyond hunger. Obviously my hormonal leptin/ghrelin signals were WAY off and I do not know why they were.

On my European vacation after my first 2 rounds of hcg, I maintained absolutely perfectly doing exactly what you said in your post above. YES, I took my scale in my luggage. I weighed every day because I was utterly scared to death to gain the 55 pounds I had lost by then back. The only time I faltered was when I was in Disney Paris and for time's saving sake I had way too many carbs and my insulin responses became whack-a-doo - that was at the very end of vacay, thankfully, and so by the time I got home, even with the airplane bloat (I get it bad-feet and lower legs swell) I was up 6 pounds but lost it in 2 days once home. *WHEW* so I know I CAN do it. With menohell now I am trying to re-learn how to handle this new stage of my body but I will succeed.

[buttah]

C'Marie, how difficult that must have been for you - to be truly out of touch with your hunger signals like that. And I think it's probably way more common than we think. I'm trying so hard to teach my sons (well, one is in college, but he seems to come by "eating to hunger" naturally) to honor their hunger AND that feeling of satiety before stuffed. And maybe there is some kind of scientific "syndrome" where people really don't have a sense of hunger or fullness - it wouldn't surprise me (after all, there are people who don't recognize faces, who remember every single day in detail, and all kinds of other "weird" "sense" stuff.

But I suspect a lot of it comes from how we're "raised" with regard to food, don't you?
So many parents told us to "finish our plate" and/or "rewarded us" with food treats and all that nonsense. I'm grateful mine didn't.

There are a lot of good books on "intuitive eating." In fact, I think that's the title of one of them - they sort of pick up where Robin leaves off. Although Robin does have some good tips about how to really live by the hunger scale and avoid emotional eating in her book, they're hard to find with all the Leptin science. I've posted the excerpts about P3 and stabilizing that are most relevant to learning and living what we should have begun to learn in P2... but honestly, a lot of people didn't want to hear it. And I get it - it's hard to trust hunger. Some people really want to know how much they "should" eat and that's just that for them.

Good for you that you've survived vacations! You've gotta be doing something right to have lost all this weight and be keeping it off.

[C'Marie]

Ya, I remember feeling hungry - then feeling full - for the first time after taking phen-fen, but it didn't last. It was like "Oh, this is what it's supposed to feel like!" it was weird. I remember my mother in law, bless her heart, would say things like, "I just stop when I'm full." or, "my throat just closes and I can't eat anymore. Doesn't that happen to you?" and she's the sweetest person in the world and wouldn't say anything mean, ever, but I truly didn't know what she was talking about!

I didn't get rewarded with food, as far as I can remember, but I was of the generation that had to finish their plate, and especially their vegetables! LOL I would hide them in my milk or feed them to my dog!

After doing hcg, I then could understand it even better and more of it has stuck. I sure like the JUDDD motto "hunger is not an emergency" because it's true now for me. Although if I go waaaay too long without something I get a migraine, but my food-hunger-balance is much better and the hypoglycemia is pretty much non-existent.

God Bless Dr. Simeons. I'd love to kiss his big old bald head.

[C'Marie]

PS I just read serving sizes to keep in tune with what I'm "supposed" to eat. At least that's one clue! LOL and in restaurants usually I just ask for a to-go container and right away peel off some of the food and get it to go because restaurant portions are crazy big.

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Ya, I remember feeling hungry - then feeling full - for the first time after taking phen-fen, but it didn't last. It was like "Oh, this is what it's supposed to feel like!" it was weird. I remember my mother in law, bless her heart, would say things like, "I just stop when I'm full." or, "my throat just closes and I can't eat anymore. Doesn't that happen to you?" and she's the sweetest person in the world and wouldn't say anything mean, ever, but I truly didn't know what she was talking about!

I didn't get rewarded with food, as far as I can remember, but I was of the generation that had to finish their plate, and especially their vegetables! LOL I would hide them in my milk or feed them to my dog!

After doing hcg, I then could understand it even better and more of it has stuck. I sure like the JUDDD motto "hunger is not an emergency" because it's true now for me. Although if I go waaaay too long without something I get a migraine, but my food-hunger-balance is much better and the hypoglycemia is pretty much non-existent.

God Bless Dr. Simeons. I'd love to kiss his big old bald head.

Ohhhh...I absolutely LOVED phen-fen...I was the energizer bunny on that stuff. I lost 80 lbs. in 6 months for my wedding...then they pulled it from the market

[pandora174]

Morning ! R4P2D9 & down -.08 to 131.6 which puts me -.06 over my vacation pre-weight & close to my first goal. Now just need to get to last ldw 129.2 for 2nd goal. After that we will see.

Like I posted on the other P2 thread this round is hard. It's not like I want to over eat or even cheat I am just tired mentally. I want to get on with it and go back to P3/P4 and healthy eating & exercise.

I just keep telling myself just 2 more weeks and you are done ! Now I do know how to read when my body is truly done (last round I knew to the day when it was time to call it in) so I'm not there today.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Good morning, down to 196.2 today

Pandora you are doing great! This round is hard for me too! Im counting down the days. Remember last p3 we said we missed p2 lol I soo take that back. I miss my almonds and cheese lol

[C'Marie]

Good job, Pandora and mommy! You guys are cruising along good and will be done before you know it!

[pandora174]

Morning ! R4P2D10 & down 1.0 to 130.6 Can't wait to see the 120's ! Last night was so hard but I am keeping busy ! I swear I have the cleanest kitchen ever. My husband was shocked when I offered to take the trash out. My life savers on this round are my long detox baths & coffee. I can relax and just let it all go.

Here is a funny vivid dream that I thought you guys would get a kick out of. Had one of my vivid HCG dreams. Normally I rarely dream & only tend to have them while pregnant or on HCG. So : JLO and I were sisters & we're competing for the same hot guy who is dating her but secretly in love with me the serious but also equally hot sister. I swear it was a bad romantic comedy but in 3D. I woke up totally convinced it was real. I also woke up before he could break up with JLO but he had realized I was his real love

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Your almost there, Pandora!

Lol! What a funny dream!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Thanks c Marie, I've been reading about juddd. I think when I'm down to my goal weight juddd would be the best way for me to maintain.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

I'm 195.4 today down .8 from yesterday

[pandora174]

Morning ! R4P2D11 & down -.08 to 129.8. Almost at my 2nd goal of getting to ldw 129.2. It is so nice to see the 120's again ! Next week I have tom so let's see how that treats me. But taking things one day at a time. Yesterday actually was a pretty good day for me so let's see about today.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

I'm 195.4 today down .8 from yesterday

I have to tell you it is super exciting and fun to watch you roll through this decade and on toward your goal!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Thank you Shelby!! I've spent my childhood, teen years and almost all of my 20's overweight. I won't let it hold me down anymore! I believe I will be at my goal this year! Which excites me so much. I still can't get over the fact that I'm under 200lbs now!! I'm so glad I found this forum. You guys are all great! I love the support and advice.

WTG Pandora!!

I'm 194.8 today down .6 from yesterday.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

I made a yummy treat! It's not Dr S approved but I eat coconut oil on p2. I got my melba toast added coconut oil, stevia and cinnamon to it. I put it in the microwave for 5 seconds. It was soooooo good. Like cinnamon toast crunch or a cinnamon roll. Yum!

[C'Marie]

Mommy, I'm glad you found hcg this young
I turned 51 today and I did hcg starting in 2010 when I was 48. I have a lot of missed time to make up for! No more time to be fat!