P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL NOVEMBER 2012

[LaraSuzz]

Aw Buttah I hope you feel better!

Hey Julie, now I dont feel so bad! We will get down!!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Hello all, welcome back Julie.... I have a question ladies I'm on. P3 day 5, has anyone experienced this everything I eat tastes off. I'm really sick of food right now. I'm forcing my self to atleast eat 800 calories a day. I know I should be eating more calories but ughh even my green tea doesn't taste right.

[Bitsky]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Hello all, welcome back Julie.... I have a question ladies I'm on. P3 day 5, has anyone experienced this everything I eat tastes off. I'm really sick of food right now. I'm forcing my self to atleast eat 800 calories a day. I know I should be eating more calories but ughh even my green tea doesn't taste right.

Hello there,

I know I didn't want to eat at all, not just out of fear but I was really looking for a way to 'drink' my food. I wanted a shake or pill would even be better so I could make sure I was getting enough nutrients. I found a really good sugar free protein shake, can't remember the name now but I found that was good and make sure you keep your vitamins up. Your taste for food WILL come back...don't worry... I'd say enjoy this time while it lasts lol
jmho

[shelbyla]

Hi guys!

Well, I'm back after an interesting weekend. I'm just not a huge fan of holidays (except Halloween! ) so that's why it ended at "interesting." There was some unexpected drama but on the whole, I skated about 32 miles, walked after Thanksgiving dinner, and got back to a somewhat comfy space after a pseudo-egg/chicken day Saturday. Two omelettes, one sans cheese, plus a lone chicken thigh and some sugar-free cranberry sauce--does that count? (Btw, the sugar-free cranberry/persimmon combo was fabu! Yum!)

But yesterday, I went to see Breaking Dawn with the usual suspects and allowed myself popcorn, candy, and sushi afterwards. Can you say carbs, sugar, and sodium, sodium, sodium? Today--up almost 4 pounds and WAAAAAY over my self-imposed high place. So another Monday cd it is for me today, which I was totally prepared for, as the chicken thighs got baked Saturday night (thus the lone chicken thigh on my egg-day!). We'll just see how much of this is water weight and how much is real weight tomorrow.

I think I am coming to the conclusion that my body just likes the space in between 145 and 150 a LOT better than the space 5 pounds lower. I personally would prefer the lower but first I have to get back to 145! There are parts of me that I like a whole lot better on the higher end and parts that I'm not so fond of but I'm still puzzling over what is "normal" fat vs. "abnormal" fat, as a lot of this weight is going to places that are actually "normal"--kwim? I'm still fitting into all my pants but I just don't want this creeping up, as discussed earlier. I'd like to start the new year out right and that means UNDER 150, preferably UNDER 145, thankyouverymuch!

Anyways, hi to all! Glad to see Julie back--I was thinking of you when we had our less-than-optimal weather and hoping that you had indoor stuff planned for that day! Everyone have a great Monday and let's get ON those holiday gains if you have them!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

My stomach is killing me I had a little sharp cheddar and some Monterey Jack... This is ridiculous... Anyone know a remedy for this?

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

My stomach is killing me I had a little sharp cheddar and some Monterey Jack... This is ridiculous... Anyone know a remedy for this?

I buy from netrition a probiotic & a digestive enzyme. I have IBS & I take 2 probiotics a day & an enzyme before every meal otherwise the stomach cramps are horrible.

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Ok thank you pandora, I have some digestive enzymes I will take some now. Maybe it will ease the pain

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Hello all, welcome back Julie.... I have a question ladies I'm on. P3 day 5, has anyone experienced this everything I eat tastes off. I'm really sick of food right now. I'm forcing my self to atleast eat 800 calories a day. I know I should be eating more calories but ughh even my green tea doesn't taste right.

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

My stomach is killing me I had a little sharp cheddar and some Monterey Jack... This is ridiculous... Anyone know a remedy for this?

Are you absolutely sure you're not getting sick? The stomach cramps I could see as a side-effect of adding back fat but everything tasting "off" seems odd to me. The only time that EVER happens to me is if I am seriously getting the flu or have food poisoning. Never at the start of P3. The only thing that ever happens is sometimes the bathroom issues that come with adding fat and too much, too soon. In any case, hope you feel better.

[junkn]

its nice to see more posting in here. i kinda miss you guys when i don't see ya typing for a few days

welcome back julie!

i'm on my 2nd UD in JUDDD for P4 and its been interesting. i am excited to see how this works out. i'm a little below LDW still.

not sure what to do once i hit goal? what do you guys do? just stay in p4 /JUDDD maintenance percentage forever?

[julieboolie]

Thanks for the welcome back guys!!

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

My stomach is killing me I had a little sharp cheddar and some Monterey Jack... This is ridiculous... Anyone know a remedy for this?

I second the probiotic! I took a while to get my appetite back, it'll come.

Originally Posted by junkn

its nice to see more posting in here. i kinda miss you guys when i don't see ya typing for a few days

welcome back julie!

i'm on my 2nd UD in JUDDD for P4 and its been interesting. i am excited to see how this works out. i'm a little below LDW still.

not sure what to do once i hit goal? what do you guys do? just stay in p4 /JUDDD maintenance percentage forever?

You're pretty close to goal!! WTG!! Glad you're doing well w. JUDDD!! I think they up they're DD's to a higher number to maintain. You'll have to see how your body responds once you're there!! Great job!!

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Hi guys!

Well, I'm back after an interesting weekend. I'm just not a huge fan of holidays (except Halloween! ) so that's why it ended at "interesting." There was some unexpected drama but on the whole, I skated about 32 miles, walked after Thanksgiving dinner, and got back to a somewhat comfy space after a pseudo-egg/chicken day Saturday. Two omelettes, one sans cheese, plus a lone chicken thigh and some sugar-free cranberry sauce--does that count? (Btw, the sugar-free cranberry/persimmon combo was fabu! Yum!)

But yesterday, I went to see Breaking Dawn with the usual suspects and allowed myself popcorn, candy, and sushi afterwards. Can you say carbs, sugar, and sodium, sodium, sodium? Today--up almost 4 pounds and WAAAAAY over my self-imposed high place. So another Monday cd it is for me today, which I was totally prepared for, as the chicken thighs got baked Saturday night (thus the lone chicken thigh on my egg-day!). We'll just see how much of this is water weight and how much is real weight tomorrow.

I think I am coming to the conclusion that my body just likes the space in between 145 and 150 a LOT better than the space 5 pounds lower. I personally would prefer the lower but first I have to get back to 145! There are parts of me that I like a whole lot better on the higher end and parts that I'm not so fond of but I'm still puzzling over what is "normal" fat vs. "abnormal" fat, as a lot of this weight is going to places that are actually "normal"--kwim? I'm still fitting into all my pants but I just don't want this creeping up, as discussed earlier. I'd like to start the new year out right and that means UNDER 150, preferably UNDER 145, thankyouverymuch!

Anyways, hi to all! Glad to see Julie back--I was thinking of you when we had our less-than-optimal weather and hoping that you had indoor stuff planned for that day! Everyone have a great Monday and let's get ON those holiday gains if you have them!

Bummer the holidays aren't your favorite . But, glad you made the most of it anyway. The weather was so odd this weekend? Marine layer extraordinaire! Total fog . We were fine though. That creep up scares me!! I am in that same type of weight range dilema. My body seems to prefer the 146-147 range, and I'd prefer it to be in the 138-140 range. I am still well padded on my lower half, but the girls look better at a higher weight. My face does too. I've noticed as I've been in my 40's my face is less forgiving of weight loss. I'm not sure how to convince the fat to leave my hips and thighs, but stay in my face and boobs? How do you adjust that? I know there's no spot reducing, but wish there were. I'm heading back to the gym so hopefully that'll help rearrange things .

Have a good night all. Off to un-decorate for Fall and start Christmas decorating!!

[julieboolie]

Buttah-hope you feel better!!

[C'Marie]

Yes, Buttah, please feel better soon! I hate being sick!


Julie, Shelby, nice to see you both!

Junkn, just adjust your DD calories to the maintenance level and you'll be good to go! Mine for example are 1784 on UD and anywhere from 624 @ 35% to 892 @ 50% depending on how I'm feeling. Once in a great while I go clear up to 1070 @ 60% and that is ok with Dr. Johnson according to his book. I did JUDDD for my P3 and early P4, working on it again now that I hope I have the insomnia thing pretty much gone. Intermittent fasting can bring it on bad in women from what I hear and I've always had insomnia so it's no fun. But if I eat first thing in the morning about 20-30 grams of protein (I do a protein/coffee shake!) then I do much much better. I skip lunch and just eat a light dinner on my DD. You can do it! I'm trying to work my way down to lower numbers again without kicking up the insomnia. I need to get back to my LIW and I'm thinking I'm about 5 pounds above it now. When I did 500 calories or less on DD I quickly went down, but then sleeplessness pushes me UP big time.

Doing a sort of CD here today with my DD. I do way better when I eat early than when I "save" my calories for later - but then at night I have to have something with my evening vitamins or I get serious issues in the tummy.

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

Hello all, welcome back Julie.... I have a question ladies I'm on. P3 day 5, has anyone experienced this everything I eat tastes off. I'm really sick of food right now. I'm forcing my self to atleast eat 800 calories a day. I know I should be eating more calories but ughh even my green tea doesn't taste right.

This might have to do with the hcg still being in your body maybe... I've have felt that way for a while after a round... it will go away I'm sure. I eat greek yogurt it has probiotics... and some apple cider vinegar believe it or not will help the acid in your tummy that may be causing pain.
Drink a tblsp of acv in your water 3x a day before meals...
This kept happening to me with Starbucks coffee... had to stop drinking it cause it felt like someone punched me in the belly and it wouldnt go away for two days.

Ok so I'm down 3.6 from my low carb day yay!!!! I was so surprised that I had to get back on the scale to make sure!!!
This was all of my holiday weight, not bad. I did have a huge headache tho... a lil detox maybe.. I slept thru it.

Going to try to do low carb all week and see if I can get back to liw.

The doc said that the swollen lips was from an alleric reaction and it will go away... could be caused by cold weather licking your lips or drooling LOL... I thought that was funny.

I used melatonin for sleep a day ago and it worked very well.

[pandora174]

Morning Ladies ! R3P3D7 & finally no gain/no loss STS. So happy about that. Yesterday had 1500 calories so will try that today as well & see if the scale moves or not & then start going up again to see if 1500 is my number or if I can go higher. I sure hope I can since I'm exercising. We'll see but so far the first week of P3 is done & pretty happy with what I'm eating and no huge fluctuations. I basically am having what I want (P3 of course) & eating to fullness.

Have a great day !

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Good morning ladies, Thank you everyone for the replies.... The digestive enzyme helped, but I think I am a little constipated. I'm going to drink some smooth tea today and see if that helps. I'm going to get some Greek yogurt for tomorrow.
My kids and husband just got over being sick. I have a little sore throat today. But I don't think that is why everything tastes so blah. I think the hcg is still in me. Usually when I get on p3 everything tastes so good. This was my first 42 day round so maybe thats the difference.

So Yesterday I thought I'd make some cream chesse muffins (1 egg, stevia and cream cheese) I had 2 of those. Then I made some oppsie bread, I had one of them. I weigh in today at a whopping 210.6. My ldw is 206.6. Not good at all! Tom is still in town too. :/
I'm going to do a correction day today.

[junkn]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Yes, Buttah, please feel better soon! I hate being sick!


Julie, Shelby, nice to see you both!

Junkn, just adjust your DD calories to the maintenance level and you'll be good to go! Mine for example are 1784 on UD and anywhere from 624 @ 35% to 892 @ 50% depending on how I'm feeling. Once in a great while I go clear up to 1070 @ 60% and that is ok with Dr. Johnson according to his book. I did JUDDD for my P3 and early P4, working on it again now that I hope I have the insomnia thing pretty much gone. Intermittent fasting can bring it on bad in women from what I hear and I've always had insomnia so it's no fun. But if I eat first thing in the morning about 20-30 grams of protein (I do a protein/coffee shake!) then I do much much better. I skip lunch and just eat a light dinner on my DD. You can do it! I'm trying to work my way down to lower numbers again without kicking up the insomnia. I need to get back to my LIW and I'm thinking I'm about 5 pounds above it now. When I did 500 calories or less on DD I quickly went down, but then sleeplessness pushes me UP big time.

Doing a sort of CD here today with my DD. I do way better when I eat early than when I "save" my calories for later - but then at night I have to have something with my evening vitamins or I get serious issues in the tummy.

thanks for the advice.

so far i've been sleeping fine. had a terrible headache the day after first day of P4. but i think its cause i ate a lot of sugar. but its been fine since thankfully.

i'm loving JUDDD atm. i ate 2k calories yesterday- lol! and only gained .2 today which is a DD.

hope everyone has a fantastic day!

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by pandora174

Morning Ladies ! R3P3D7 & finally no gain/no loss STS. So happy about that. Yesterday had 1500 calories so will try that today as well & see if the scale moves or not & then start going up again to see if 1500 is my number or if I can go higher. I sure hope I can since I'm exercising. We'll see but so far the first week of P3 is done & pretty happy with what I'm eating and no huge fluctuations. I basically am having what I want (P3 of course) & eating to fullness.

Have a great day !

WTG!! I just read your stats - have you really lost all your weight in 1 year? All from hcg? Wow!! You're amazing!!

Lara-woohoo!! nice drop chickie!!

Mommy-hang in there. Some of that # could be water retention if your tummy isn't straightened out yet. Some refilling and adjusting happens at the beginning of P3. And cream cheese doesn't work well for me. I gain too easily from it

Junkn-you're really tempting me into JUDDD. I'd like to lose back down to LDW area, but am still LCing it off from my trip. If/when this initial loss from "back to LC" stops, I think I may give JUDDD another try. LC on DDs, and maybe even UDs until I'm back where I should be. Gonna' go run the #'s. How low do you go on your DD's?

Marie-soooo glad you're sleeping!! such a simple thing we all take for granted until it's messed up . YAY!!

I'm down 2.6 from lighter LC eating yesterday. Made a yummy pork tenderloin for dinner w. green beans in butter and ceasar salad, and had LS bacon cheeseburger quiche for lunch. Had coffee/cream for bfast. Going to stick to basic clean P3 again today and see where I land. JUDDD is really appealing. Going to research it a bit more. I tried it before but wasn't in the right mindset to make it work. Looked at it like an excuse to eat carby junk on UDs and overdid it I think. We'll see if it'll work for me this time if I'm more restrictive on it.

[buttah]

UGH. Being sick sucks.

Still a fraction over my window (around .3) and all I ate yesterday was eggs for breakfast and fat free chicken broth with chicken breast and tons of green veggies (in the broth). I did have a ton of that, though, as I was unusually hungry for being sick. Plus some TJ's seaweed snacks, which are salty.

My boobs are killing me, so it's probably my ever-unreliable TOM coming, which means I may be holding water right now and will soon be perfectly fine in my window. Fingers crossed that's what it is.

No way I'm doing a CD feeling like this - that's for sure (as you know, I don't believe in them anyway - they seem to cause only temporary big losses, and maintenance is a long term endeavor, but enough about my preaching).

I hope I get back to my window (or to LDW, even better) soon.

Glad some of you are trying and enjoying JUDDD. I really loved it and its impact on my bloodwork was phenomenal. If it weren't for the fact that I have my goal round coming up, I'd be doing it now as well. But going to HCG straight from JUDDD is likely why I was starving at the beginning, and I'm not risking THAT again!

[temekayoung]

Hi everyone. I messed up this p3. I immediately ate 1600 caloried with a few carbs then thanksgiving. . dinner (one plate) crackers. I haven' eaten over 1700 calories yet and today is my first CD. My period is due today too. How can i get this off do you think it will stick??? Help!!

[buttah]

Originally Posted by buttah

UGH. Being sick sucks.

Still a fraction over my window (around .3) and all I ate yesterday was eggs for breakfast and fat free chicken broth with chicken breast and tons of green veggies (in the broth). I did have a ton of that, though, as I was unusually hungry for being sick. Plus some TJ's seaweed snacks, which are salty.

My boobs are killing me, so it's probably my ever-unreliable TOM coming, which means I may be holding water right now and will soon be perfectly fine in my window. Fingers crossed that's what it is.

No way I'm doing a CD feeling like this - that's for sure (as you know, I don't believe in them anyway - they seem to cause only temporary big losses, and maintenance is a long term endeavor, but enough about my preaching).

I hope I get back to my window (or to LDW, even better) soon.

Glad some of you are trying and enjoying JUDDD. I really loved it and its impact on my bloodwork was phenomenal. If it weren't for the fact that I have my goal round coming up, I'd be doing it now as well. But going to HCG straight from JUDDD is likely why I was starving at the beginning, and I'm not risking THAT again!

UPDATE: I weighed TOO early. I AM safely back in my window!! Yay!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by MOMMYONAMISSION

My stomach is killing me I had a little sharp cheddar and some Monterey Jack... This is ridiculous... Anyone know a remedy for this?

Probiotics are the best for that kind of tummy trouble. After my first round I couldn't eat anything without running for the bathroom. It was awful. I ended up taking a probiotic before eating every single meal. I did that for 3 days. then cut it down to 1 probiotic daily. Wow, what a difference and immediate relief. Hope you are back to feeling better

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by temekayoung

Hi everyone. I messed up this p3. I immediately ate 1600 caloried with a few carbs then thanksgiving. . dinner (one plate) crackers. I haven' eaten over 1700 calories yet and today is my first CD. My period is due today too. How can i get this off do you think it will stick??? Help!!

The fastest way to get it off is to IMMEDIATELY do a CD. If you hold off on the correction days (since you have waited about a week or so), Dr Simeons says it may take a few days of dieting to get it off. So if you have taken a few days to NOT correct, you have a few days of dieting ahead of you to take it off. Start off with a Correction day--any of your choosing and then go into strict P3mode. Do NOT eat nuts or cheese of any kind and STICK to the rules of NO SUGAR/NO STARCH and it should come back down. But be mindful that you have 9 pounds to get off. It will come off, just have to work at it and wait for it happen . Good luck sweetie

[julieboolie]

Dawn-good advice and all, but how 'bout an update on you? How're you feeling? Are you JUDDDing?

Buttah-glad you're back in. Hope you stay there or even lower tomorrow, and hope you're feeling better! Thanks for the insight w. JUDDD before your hcg round. I think I'm doing a round late Dec. so I will prob skip JUDDD.

Tameka- That's a rough place to be. Esp. at the beginning of P3 when your LDW isn't quite locked in yet. But, hopefully, since it was just 1 day, it'll go quickly w. a good CD. The steak day (difficult though it is) should work wonders for you. BUt, like Dawn said, it may take a few days. that's a frustrating place to be!! (I know b/c I'm out of window too, but mine was well deserved and earned over my 12 week vacation!! )

[dawnyama]

Julie---everything has been out the window. I am not even weighing now. Hence the new hcg!! LOL. I will start a new round once I am over this virus. I feel like crap--my throat is killing me and my voice is still not 100%. I am tired of being sick. Because I feel like crap I have been eating whatever I can find. Seriously--my son works for Little Caesar's and brings pizza home--I have never had as much pizza this past week as I have in a whole year!!! I have to get back to something because this eat whatever I want is not working. But I feel so bad, ah....that is why no updates from me. I would just rather not post at all. Not really feeling so cheerleady right now.

[pandora174]

Originally Posted by temekayoung

Hi everyone. I messed up this p3. I immediately ate 1600 caloried with a few carbs then thanksgiving. . dinner (one plate) crackers. I haven' eaten over 1700 calories yet and today is my first CD. My period is due today too. How can i get this off do you think it will stick??? Help!!

I second that you need to do an immediate correction day. Then eat very clean for a few days until you don't see fluctuations. Just like dawnyama said no cheese, no nuts, even easy on the dairy. I would do clean P3 eating and then ease into building up the calories & slowly add things in. My last round I did 2 correction days, so you live and learn. P3 can be way harder than P2 in my opinion. Don't beat yourself it's done now just take care of it & be mentally prepared it may take a few days to come off & you get into your ldw window. Hang in there

[buttah]

Julie, I can't say for sure if JUDDD is the reason I struggled early in my round, but at my clinic, I'm the only one they've ever had w/ SO much hunger AND the only one who went straight (and I mean straight) from intermittent fasting to HCG.

We are talking STRAIGHT from... As in, the day before I loaded, I had less than 500 calories, and every other day going backwards before that. Even Robin W. thought it was the cause of my struggles (and she is not against IF in general - she too has seen the remarkable health benefits in clients.) YMMV, but it's probably not worth it to JUDDD right before a round, I figure. Then again, I'd also been losing in general (using different WOE's before JUDDD), so it could've just been general depletion.

On another note, I worry that I have had VERY few carbs in P4. But then again, maybe that's just how I have to live, which is fine. But I'm also afraid I will gain a ton in my next load. My plan is load LC/high fat, but that's tricky to do. Robin W advocates 3 days of loading, I think the 2nd and 3rd injection days. I'll have to ask what you eat on the first.

Loading will be around Dec 17. Anyone else?

Dawnyama, really? Another round? Are you sure you're not already where you're supposed to be? Do you worry that the body just isn't meant to spend that much time on HCG? I have no idea. I'm truly asking.

It is really hard not to eat whatever you feel like when you're sick. I could go to town on all sorts of unhealthy foods. Fritos sound particular good right now. And Ramen. But I'm just not going to, do you hear me, self??!!!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

I have a question, does anyone have tips for p4... Ive got down p2 and I have learned a lot about p3 but p 4 is still a mystery to me.

[shelbyla]

Hi everyone. Wow, long day today for me! Well, like Lara, the magic number appears to be 3.6 as I was down exactly that from my chicken day yesterday. Still 2.3 above my 145 top-end goal so eating clean today and hopefully STS or down a little more tomorrow. Going to see if high-fat works it's magic. Maybe a little fish tonight with some brussels. I need to exercise a bit tonight too as I didn't make it up this morning at 4:45am to do it! Rowing I think but we'll see what I'm in the mood for this evening when I get home.

Super duper excited about something that will be happening in the next month or so--getting a new car, fingers crossed. I know it probably doesn't sound like a big deal but I've had the same car for 16 years and I figured out a way to re-fi my house at a lower rate, still pay my mortgage off in the same amount of time, take a little cash out and still be paying slightly less monthly, except for increased insurance. For a new car! I'm really excited! Never even thought it would be worth my while but the credit union guy walked me through it so I am jazzed to be able to do it and keep expenses pretty much the same.

Sorry to hear everyone is sick. (from a good safe distance!) all around!

[temekayoung]

Thanks everyone. I hope im down in the morning. I will eat clean for the next week. I think some of this is water weight from Aunt Flo coming. Im trying not to be upset but its awful to see that number go up.

[pandora174]

Having a tough day Just really hungry ! Haven't cheated just eaten more calories that I wanted to. I did 30 min on my exercise bike but I had 1900 calories. Breakfast was 2 sausage patties (no sugar), 2 eggs & guacamole/ lunch salad & 8 oz of lean ground beef, full fat dressing & a pear, snack handful of blackberries/ dinner 2 burger patties with Duke's mayo & snack can of albacore tuna with mayo & coffee with orgabic hnh...

Oh well going to take a long bath & go to bed & hope for the best tomorrow. 1500 cal is just not enough...I AM HUNGRY If I go over I have some steaks I can make with a tomato but darn will I then really be hungry..I got the 1500 from running my BMR for my weight...

I miss P2 sometimes & the lack of hunger ! Lord I can't believe I'm still hungry even after 1900 cal & enough coffee/tea/water to float a boat..