P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL NOVEMBER 2012

[pandora174]

Hi Ladies ! Would like to join you on the P3 thread. I've decided to wrap up this round. The last 2 days I've felt exhausted and not well at all so I always told myself I would listen to my body. My LDW will be 129.2 and I did 46 days this round. Lost 28.6 this round and got passed my goal weight of 130. I had re-adjusted my goal to 125 but since I'm not feeling that well I decided I can always come back and do a short round in January or Feb.

Will be doing my 2 vlcd Tues & Wed & will be on P3 for lunch time on Wed. Have decided to add my calories back up slowly & I really want to focus on stabilizing well. Going to very careful with dairy since it usually makes me gain & the first week just do P2 foods and add healthy fats/increase portion size and then the 2nd week add dairy slowly.

Will be reading up on this thread for the next 2 days to get ready mentally for P3.

[dawnyama]

Welcome Pandora!!! Good for you!! You have had a great round. I will be doing another round in January. I didn't get to goal my last round, and figured that I can always do another round rather than torture myself LOL. Sounds like you have a great plan for this week, and next.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by pandora174

Hi Ladies ! Would like to join you on the P3 thread. I've decided to wrap up this round. The last 2 days I've felt exhausted and not well at all so I always told myself I would listen to my body. My LDW will be 129.2 and I did 46 days this round. Lost 28.6 this round and got passed my goal weight of 130. I had re-adjusted my goal to 125 but since I'm not feeling that well I decided I can always come back and do a short round in January or Feb.

Will be doing my 2 vlcd Tues & Wed & will be on P3 for lunch time on Wed. Have decided to add my calories back up slowly & I really want to focus on stabilizing well. Going to very careful with dairy since it usually makes me gain & the first week just do P2 foods and add healthy fats/increase portion size and then the 2nd week add dairy slowly.

Will be reading up on this thread for the next 2 days to get ready mentally for P3.

Welcome and congrats on a great round and on your amazing accomplishment losing 100+ pounds in the past year!

If you're interested, I posted my transition plan--which sounds very similar to what you are planning--on the last page of the HCG Diet Short Form stickie. It allows a little extra somethin' somethin' tomorrow and Wednesday that you might take a look at. I really liked it!

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I had a pretty relaxing weekend. Got all my errands and stuff done Friday and Saturday-day, date Saturday night, loungey day yesterday with a massage thrown in. I did, however, go COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY off the rails yesterday, food-wise. I suspect I may be hitting either a mid-cycle thing or a TOM thing (IUD prevents actual occurrence but I still get symptoms) because I could NOT stop eating. It was all "legal" stuff but again, way too much of it. For me, this is very much a physiological thing as opposed to a mental thing, which I am still trying to figure out. I didn't have a hangover yesterday so other than hormonal, I've got so real excuse to be so overly hungry. Stuck my head in the sand this morning and didn't weigh but I'm doing my correction day like a good girl. I may weigh tomorrow or I may wait until Wednesday but am cruising along on my cd, plenty happy with 2 chicken thighs for lunch.

Looking forward to a day off mid-week and a lighter day Friday, working from home. Also looking forward to having company for Thanksgiving and enjoying a low carb holiday to start the season.

[cocoapeanut]

Hey y'all!

I tried a cream cheese muffin CD yesterday, but it didn't do anything. I'm pretty sure cream cheese doesn't actually work that well with my body..I don't eat it much anyway but I'm probably going to cut it out.

I'm still 169 and fighting to get back to 162-165..one day I'll get back there! I'm just sticking to LC basics this week and eating meats and veggies with some nuts and fruits. I do fine with nuts usually and have discovered that I don't overeat them as long as they're raw. Once they're roasted and oiled though...I will eat them until they're gone! Also not eating any dairy except for hwc and butter. I don't really plan on overindulging on Thanksgiving, but will likely have small portions of safe starch and sugar. Then, back to LC! I USED to be fed rice pudding constantly as a child (it's a common Cuban thing), but I get it rarely now, y'all

We'll see how things go over the next week.

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I did, however, go COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY off the rails yesterday, food-wise. I suspect I may be hitting either a mid-cycle thing or a TOM thing (IUD prevents actual occurrence but I still get symptoms) because I could NOT stop eating. It was all "legal" stuff but again, way too much of it. For me, this is very much a physiological thing as opposed to a mental thing, which I am still trying to figure out. I didn't have a hangover yesterday so other than hormonal, I've got so real excuse to be so overly hungry.

Just wanted to give you some and say that this exact thing has happened to me many times. I feel like it's totally physiological for me too..like I'm not mentally upset/sad/deprived or anything, I just can't stop eating!! Weird.

[junkn]

hi everyone! still holding it steady here right at LDW on my 20th day of P3. this has been an interesting journey. i have not gone above my window yet. i notice i lose whenever i eat steak in the evening (not a steak day- just a steak meal along with a P3 foods day).

so P4 starts in a couple of days and i'm not sure what i'm doing. i was going to try JUDDD to lose 4 pounds but i'm not sure if i want to do that or do another round of P2?

the JUDDD calculator puts me at 1470 UD/515 DD for 35% wt loss mode.

i eat about 1200-1400 calories now so i'm not sure how much i would benefit from doing JUDDD.

.. or even if i should do JUDDD for P4

[pandora174]

Need opinions please. This would be my 3rd round. My first I stabilized really well. My 2nd I had to do 2 correction days & my weight was all over the place. By the time I got t P4 I was basically gaining if I added protocol carbs So this round I'm thinking of keeping dairy to a minimum in the beginning. Thinking of hwc or hnh for my coffee. I've been reading different takes on p3 & was going to incorporate some of the things I've read.

The ebook version I've been reading has some good points "but" keeps you at 1500 cal through P3. I prefer to stabilize at a higher calorie count if possible kwim ? It limits your dairy which I want to try but tells you no butter but mayo is ok ?? Don't get that at all ! I do like that they stress to have your fruits & veggies. But they tell you to keep to the lean cuts of meat (I LOVE my chicken wings & legs with skin) SO I'm thinking first week keep my strawberries, apple, 2 big veggie servings, increase protein, add eggs for breakfast and healthy fats like butter, olive oil, full fat dressing and avocado.

Try that the first week and if all goes well the 2nd week add cheese here & there. Then if ok add greek yogurt which I love.

Shelbya I read your sticky & really love the building of calories ! I'm trying not to stress and the worst that can happen is I do a steak day or an egg day but I rather try to stabilize eating yummy fats rather than feel like I'm on a diet (the ebook version feels like that to me) but I find that I don't mind limiting the dairy if I can indulge in the fats more.

[cocoapeanut]

Pandora --So excited that you're almost in P3!! My first round I went through a clinic, which had me stay at 1400 calories or less throughout P3 and I couldn't eat any nuts, yogurt, or drink any alcohol. It was basically Atkins induction rules. I was kind of disappointed but I did my best to just eat when I was hungry and not overeat and I stabilized very well. The one time I gained was when I ate cream cheese, so I cut it out and did a steak day. I wasn't really hungry at all in P3 but it did feel a little restricting..I was in such a hardcore diet mindset though so I made sure to do everything perfectly. And I was so nervous!

Outside of those things, I added whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I lived with my parents and was traveling for part of it, so I couldn't be awfully picky. My first P3 meal was bacon, lox, and a few strawberries. If you want to add slowly, then go for it! You'll probably be totally fine!

My second round was different..I was feeling much more deprived and so it was hard for me to not want to eat everything all the time Safe to say I had a much harder time stabilizing! Just my personal experience.

HTH

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by buttah

Reddy, I will be doing my "goal round" around Dec. 17th. (I so wish it could be sooner, but the full 6 weeks off takes me to close to a weekend getaway, so I have to wait until after that.) So maybe I'll "see you" back in the P2 thread then?

Miss you!

Are you doing a 26 day round or a 40 day? I probably won't do it again until after the new year (If I do do it) b/c I'm going to Cali for 9 days around Christmas and don't want to be doing it while I"m gone.

The question for me is whether or not to do HCG again or try something else. I really just want to lose like 10lbs or so. Do you think I should consider trying JUDD? How quickly do people lose on JUDD? I'm not in a rush to lose it but I'd like to be in the 150-155 range instead of the 155-160 range. That's why I don't know if I need to do HCG again or not.

[junkn]

Originally Posted by Reddy

Are you doing a 26 day round or a 40 day? I probably won't do it again until after the new year (If I do do it) b/c I'm going to Cali for 9 days around Christmas and don't want to be doing it while I"m gone.

The question for me is whether or not to do HCG again or try something else. I really just want to lose like 10lbs or so. Do you think I should consider trying JUDD? How quickly do people lose on JUDD? I'm not in a rush to lose it but I'd like to be in the 150-155 range instead of the 155-160 range. That's why I don't know if I need to do HCG again or not.

yea i want to lose a few pounds more also as i stated above and was also unsure whether to do another round or JUDDD it.

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by junkn

yea i want to lose a few pounds more also as i stated above and was also unsure whether to do another round or JUDDD it.

I admit, I don't know all that much about JUDD. I know the general concept of what you're supposed to do, but what is the average weight loss? Like how long would I have to do it to lose like 5-10lbs? And what does long term maintenance look like with JUDD?

What I'm so impressed with about HCG is how stable I am now. I'm able to eat some carbs now and still maintain. I fear that if I try another diet that once I stop I'll gain the weight back Ya know? That's what I'm trying to get my head around... I am not totally unhappy at my current weight but I'd love to be 150- 155 or under. Right now I'm hanging out around 158-160.

[buttah]

Reddy, I'll probably do no more than 30 days, since my losses the last three of the 6 weeks were not so great.

You should ask questions on the JUDDD forum - you'll get lots of answers there regarding loss. But I will say this: people do eat carbs on JUDDD (although not so much on DD's)!

[MOMMYONAMISSION]

Hi all!! I start my transition in p3 tomorrow. I'm going to start my day with a bp coffee. Thank you Shelby for info!

[Shrinking]

So nice to see many new, might I add successful HCGers on this thread. Awesome!

I've been laying low, staying busy and watching what I eat. I start P4 this week but not sure if I'm going to add a whole lot of carbs. I'm afraid!!!!!

We are all getting excited for our vacation next month. I'm getting a little fake sun starting this week so the hot Caribbean sun doesn't burn me. I don't really burn but we have almost 4 feet of snow outside and my tender skin hasn't seen the sun in a while!!! It's just a base so that I can lay by the pool and relax! I need it!

I have a question for any who are familiar with Florida, Fort Lauderdale area; where do I go to get a few summer things? Bathing suit, shorts? There's nothing like that where I am, and I've lost 45 lbs since summer so my clothes won't fit! There might be a few things in the next couple weeks at my store, but their clothes I'm happy to say no longer fit me I appreciate any help.

Keep up the good work everyone!

[pandora174]

Morning Ladies ! First full day of vlcd without the hHCG & up +.06 this am 129.8 I did have 3 days in a row of nice losses so I usually go up or stall normally but since I'm about to go to P3 I freaked out this morning a little. So I'm ok now and I did like Shelby's plan of adding calories from clean fats earlier so today I had 2 eggs chopped up with mustard for breakfast with my strawberries today. Will put me about 32 cal over 500 but then tomorrow when I do about 800 cal I'm hoping my system won't be too shocked.

Tomorrow's menu will be the same P2 style just will add a little guacamole with my eggs, double the portion of shrimp for lunch & chicken for dinner & add a tbsp of dressing for lunch & dinner to my veggie/salad. Not sure if I will have my 2nd fruit tomorrow, will see how I feel. This will put me at about 900 cal for the day. If it goes well I will keep that up & then move to 1100 cal then 1200, 1300, etc. Not adding the h&h until I'm stable for a few days. I really want to go s-l-o-w-l-y. I normally have gone all crazy adding bacon, eggs, guacamole, hwc plus all kinds of fat for lunch & dinner & then had a rough time with up/down for at least 2 weeks before I saw some stabilizing and in the mean time my stomach was totally upset. So trying this approach this time around. Hope it works becauase I have some chicken wings I really want for the weekend that I'm going to marinate in hot sauce (sugar free)

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Hi all

Just popping on real quick...getting busy around here...lol. Gotta help my mom w/ Thanksgiving shopping/prep.

WELL.......I hit 175.0 this morning!!!!!!!!! BUT, just for a second....I had grabbed the camera to post a pic, but the flash is so bright that it covers up the 5...grrr. Then when I finally figured out how to turn flash off...I step back on to the scale and it is 175.2...and it is NOT moving after 5-6 more tries...lol




I was honestly quite shocked to say the least...I was up yesterday. But my hands/feet were swollen...took a hot epsom salt bath last night...I felt so good afterward.

Hopefully I will maintain right around here and I'll be a happy camper!!

Have a great day, ya'll!!!

[Reddy]

Woo Hoo WTG Angela!

Buttah, yes I am going to sneak over to the JUDD Forum to see what its' really all about. I know you have a lot of experience with it, do you think that since I'm looking to only lose like 10lbs at most that JUDD would be my best bet rather than another round? IDK.

I'm at 168 today so top of window but IN window. Amazing considering I've been having carbs. I plan to allow myself some mashed potatoes on TG but I will be good. Next week Hubby and I are going hard core on the No Carbs b/c he wants to lose about 5-10lbs too. For him, it will be cake. One week on Atkins and he'll be down 8lbs and then he'll keep it off for months. Hate him. Lol.

Hope you are all having a good day.

I know TG is a challenging holiday for most dieters so I want to wish you all strength and will power. Like Buttah always says, it will be there another time so don't feel like it's the end of the world to not eat some of that stuff. It looks good but is it really worth it?

[buttah]

Reddy, I'm a huge fan of JUDDD. It took a week or so to kick in for me, but once it did, it broke the plateau I'd been on for weeks and weeks. Somewhere in one of the monthly threads is my loss log. I'll try to find it and get it to you. But you can also click on the link in my signature - JUDDD is that big dip at 7/22 (you can see the "kicking in" days) before the even bigger dip that came in Sept. with HCG.

I want to lose a bit more than 10 more lbs, and I've only done one round of HCG, so I plan on one more round. But after that, I'm thinking JUDDD for maintenance, which allows down days of around 800 calories, possibly more.

[Bitsky]

Hello all,

Back when I was first starting P3, I was scared to eat anything just like most people are when they start P3. I asked a vetran HCG'r on another site, "will my metabolism go back to the way it was after all the HCG is out of my system, especially since I'm to stay away from the "fat free or light" versions of things?" I just found it mind boggling to think that I could eat butter, have heavy cream in my coffee, eat full fat salad dressings etc. and expect to lose weight...or at least maintain my LDW. She told me that my metabolism WOULD stay the same and I will continue to reap maintaining benefits as long as I didn't eat sugars or carbs. OK fair enough, but now since being in P4 for a while I slowly started introducing back sugars and carbs (as I thought we were supposed to) but now at this point I'm back to craving all kinds of bad foods and feeling like crap. I'm up passed my safe zone and I've started to pack the weight back on, clothes are tight again and I feel bloated all the time. My question now is, since I don't plan on doing another round of HCG should I start eating the fat free and light versions of things again? I can't keep having heavy cream in my coffee or full fat dressings if my metabolism is back to the way it was, right?!?!
I've dieted pretty much all of my young adult life so when I did HCG and learned that I should avoid anything 'fat free or light' and to just start eating things like red meats, coconut oil etc. (once in P3) everything I knew or had been told about how to diet went completely out the window. So I adapted to the HCG way but now I'm just lost because I'm in P4 and things are all out of whack and I really don't know what the best method is to get these yucky lbs back off and get me back to my LDW. Maybe the only option for me right now IS to do another round. It seems a bit extreme though for wanting to drop just 10lbs, plus I'm in the midst of a couple fitness classes that I don't want to bail out on just so I can do the VLCD for 23 days.... That's why I'm hoping someone can please tell me what I'm supposed to do now...go back to eating fat free since my metabolism is obvioulsy not working the way it was at the start of P3 or do I keep eating full fat stuff because the crap they put in the fat free things is worse than gaining?? I'm so tired of being confused.

[Kateenie]

Originally Posted by Bitsky

Hello all,

Back when I was first starting P3, I was scared to eat anything just like most people are when they start P3. I asked a vetran HCG'r on another site, "will my metabolism go back to the way it was after all the HCG is out of my system, especially since I'm to stay away from the "fat free or light" versions of things?" I just found it mind boggling to think that I could eat butter, have heavy cream in my coffee, eat full fat salad dressings etc. and expect to lose weight...or at least maintain my LDW. She told me that my metabolism WOULD stay the same and I will continue to reap maintaining benefits as long as I didn't eat sugars or carbs. OK fair enough, but now since being in P4 for a while I slowly started introducing back sugars and carbs (as I thought we were supposed to) but now at this point I'm back to craving all kinds of bad foods and feeling like crap. I'm up passed my safe zone and I've started to pack the weight back on, clothes are tight again and I feel bloated all the time. My question now is, since I don't plan on doing another round of HCG should I start eating the fat free and light versions of things again? I can't keep having heavy cream in my coffee or full fat dressings if my metabolism is back to the way it was, right?!?!
I've dieted pretty much all of my young adult life so when I did HCG and learned that I should avoid anything 'fat free or light' and to just start eating things like red meats, coconut oil etc. (once in P3) everything I knew or had been told about how to diet went completely out the window. So I adapted to the HCG way but now I'm just lost because I'm in P4 and things are all out of whack and I really don't know what the best method is to get these yucky lbs back off and get me back to my LDW. Maybe the only option for me right now IS to do another round. It seems a bit extreme though for wanting to drop just 10lbs, plus I'm in the midst of a couple fitness classes that I don't want to bail out on just so I can do the VLCD for 23 days.... That's why I'm hoping someone can please tell me what I'm supposed to do now...go back to eating fat free since my metabolism is obvioulsy not working the way it was at the start of P3 or do I keep eating full fat stuff because the crap they put in the fat free things is worse than gaining?? I'm so tired of being confused.

I don't understand if you added back sugar and carbs and feel like crap, you are blaming fat. Obviously, the sugars/starches caused cravings for you and probably should be restricted more. Not everyone can eat the standard American diet just because they did hCG, but rarely is FAT the problem in the diet - it is sugar and processed CRAP.

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by Bitsky

OK fair enough, but now since being in P4 for a while I slowly started introducing back sugars and carbs (as I thought we were supposed to) but now at this point I'm back to craving all kinds of bad foods and feeling like crap. I'm up passed my safe zone and I've started to pack the weight back on, clothes are tight again and I feel bloated all the time. My question now is, since I don't plan on doing another round of HCG should I start eating the fat free and light versions of things again? I can't keep having heavy cream in my coffee or full fat dressings if my metabolism is back to the way it was, right?!?!

This happens to a lot of people when they add back sugar and certain carbs. Sugar has a nifty tendency to make you crave..you guessed it..more sugar! And the threshold is different for everyone - some people can have a little sugar and walk away, and others can NOT have sugar at ALL, otherwise it will trigger nasty cravings that they have to white-knuckle through. In the end, you have to figure out where that line is for yourself.

If you feel bloated all the time, you may be sensitive to something that you're eating. I get bloated when I eat a lot of wheat. But I have no idea what you're eating. I'd suggest staying away from "fat-free" and "light" versions of things, no matter what diet you're on. The fewer chemicals you eat, the better, no matter what! And it may not feel like it, but hormones play a HUGE role in our health, mood, and weight, and chemicals do matter on a hormonal level! Something I like to remember is that "our bodies are not bank accounts...they are chemistry labs!"

I am personally past my window as well and trying to get back down and not get too discouraged. Focusing on eating meats, veggies, nuts, and fruits, and hoping for the best, I guess! It's not a concrete plan but I'll think a little more on it after I come back from Thanksgiving travel.

HTH

[Bitsky]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

This happens to a lot of people when they add back sugar and certain carbs. Sugar has a nifty tendency to make you crave..you guessed it..more sugar! And the threshold is different for everyone - some people can have a little sugar and walk away, and others can NOT have sugar at ALL, otherwise it will trigger nasty cravings that they have to white-knuckle through. In the end, you have to figure out where that line is for yourself.

HTH

Thank you, looks like I need to start documenting everything I eat again like in P2. The first few weeks into P3 once I was trying little bites of things I was surprised how lucky I seemed to be by not gaining anything from my trials, I think I let things get out of hand because of that. I started trying more of things and then Halloween came and those little chocolate bars got the best of me even though I said I'd try hard to not eat them so now it feels like it's been weeks since I had vegetables haha I remember craving greens after P2, I miss that actually!

[cocoapeanut]

Totally understand - I know I get the urge to test the boundaries whenever I feel like I'm getting away with something. We shouldn't think like that, lol! Get back to the basics and write stuff down to keep you accountable and pinpoint how certain foods make you feel. It should help. I wish you success!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Bitsky

Thank you, looks like I need to start documenting everything I eat again like in P2. The first few weeks into P3 once I was trying little bites of things I was surprised how lucky I seemed to be by not gaining anything from my trials, I think I let things get out of hand because of that. I started trying more of things and then Halloween came and those little chocolate bars got the best of me even though I said I'd try hard to not eat them so now it feels like it's been weeks since I had vegetables haha I remember craving greens after P2, I miss that actually!

Yeah, I totally agree! White sugar, white flour, processed foods...I think I likened them to heroin in a post not too long ago??? I eat them and they make me want moreMOREMOOOOOORE! The scary part about it, is that if I am eating them, there IS no off switch. I don't get full. I don't even get less hungry. I certainly don't get nauseated like some people do (more's the pity!). I can easily eat a dozen donuts or a whole box of Hostess cr@p in a sitting, much less in a day. What I've found is that when I don't eat it, I don't crave it. When I give in and have even just a little, cravings come back like crazy. HCG didn't fix that. I don't think it's a metabolism re-set thing. I think it's a personal body chemistry thing. Some people can handle them and process them and some people can't. If I keep away from processed sugars and flours, I can stay away from them. If I choose to eat them, I know that I will probably be battling those demons for a week or two.

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I'm in a rant-y mood today so I'll spare you guys. I'm grumpy because I am still up after am cd yesterday so I am doing a classic steak day (with added bp coffee)--which I HATE. Grump grump grump. Plus I found not 1, not 2, but 3 more problems today with my project. ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHH!

Anyway, hopefully tomorrow will be a short day that looks a bit brighter.

Check in with y'all then!

[buttah]

I'm in P4 and still rarely eatany starches or sugars. Just not really worth it. When I do eat them, I pick my moments carefully and plan for them. Before and after.But we're talking very very rarely. Maybe two low carb tortillas and a few bites of my hubby's desert since I've been in P4. Period.

When I get to the top of my window, I cut out even those bites and get back down.

[Jeanyyy]

Hi everybody. I am a relative newbie here in this forum, but have been lurking for a while. I did a 40+ day round on HCG (Omni) and lost about 20 lbs, even though I was a little rogue in the sense of having HWC and sometimes CO in my coffees Now I'm on day 4 of P3 Stage 1 and doing not too bad, still under LDW as of this morning.

I just ate dinner - onion and beef stew, mashed cauliflower, and a few cherry tomatoes. I have blueberries and cream planned for later.

Do you all aim for specific percentages of fat, protein and carbs while maintaining? I ended up with this for today: Calories 1,500, Fat 123g (73%), Net Carbs 36 (11%), Protein 61g (16%). Does that look about right?

The reason I ask, the Omni people on FB are saying keep it to 1,400 or so calories with 100 to 150 grams of protein and I'm a bit confused....

[pandora174]

Hi ! Last day of vlcd & will be in P3 at lunch time today. I was down -1.4 to 128.4 A part of me wanted to go back on the drops when I saw my weight loss but nope lol Thanks Shelby I've been building up my calories slowly. Yesterday I had about 575 calories. I had 2 eggs & around dinner I was hungry so I had a few slices of sugar free ham.

Woke up today & had 2 eggs with hot sauce/a teaspoon of mayo & mustard. The most amazing eggs ever I forgot how yummy P3 foods are. I'm so looking forward to lunch today & full fat dressing Today having about 900 and then build from there.

Planning asparagus/broccoli casserole for Thanksgiving tomorrow with lots of turkey & an avocado/tomato salad. Thinking for desert in having baked pears with sweetner

[Felina]

Jeanyyy, I just try to keep the carbs low. I don't track anything and I have maintained beautifully through three rounds. I know the calories must be high because my fats are pretty high in p3.

You're ratios look great. If anything, I would try to lower the carbs just a bit. In p3 I don't eat the oranges and apples anymore. I just have low glycemic fruits like strawberries, blueberries, blackberries. I make ice cream with hnh, sweetener and fruit.

That's what I do, but I know that others track more carefully. With me, as long as I eat LC, I don't gain.

Pandora, that's great that you were able to add in some foods and still lose weight this am. Enjoy your p3. I can't wait until I get to p3, but I want to get as skinny as you first.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Jeanyyy

Hi everybody. I am a relative newbie here in this forum, but have been lurking for a while. I did a 40+ day round on HCG (Omni) and lost about 20 lbs, even though I was a little rogue in the sense of having HWC and sometimes CO in my coffees Now I'm on day 4 of P3 Stage 1 and doing not too bad, still under LDW as of this morning.

I just ate dinner - onion and beef stew, mashed cauliflower, and a few cherry tomatoes. I have blueberries and cream planned for later.

Do you all aim for specific percentages of fat, protein and carbs while maintaining? I ended up with this for today: Calories 1,500, Fat 123g (73%), Net Carbs 36 (11%), Protein 61g (16%). Does that look about right?

The reason I ask, the Omni people on FB are saying keep it to 1,400 or so calories with 100 to 150 grams of protein and I'm a bit confused....

I had 2 co-workers that have done the Omni drops and they did a fabulous job!!! Following the Omni instructions, they stabilized well!!! One also continued to drop weight. Not much, but a little. She was able to be rock stable. It is up to you if you want to follow their rules, or Dr Simeon's rule of eat no sugar eat no starch. They are so opposite. I added fat in right away on my P3 and never feared it. I saw my co-worker still use salsa for her dressing on her salad and say she couldn't use full fat anything just yet She said she had to stay at 1500 calories in P3 with no fat--or so I thought it was 1500. I never counted anything on P3! I have done well on some of my P3s and not so well on others. If I stayed trued to the "no sugar, no starch" rule I was fine!!! It was when I strayed from that I didn't do well.

[Jeanyyy]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

It is up to you if you want to follow their rules, or Dr Simeon's rule of eat no sugar eat no starch. They are so opposite. I added fat in right away on my P3 and never feared it. I saw my co-worker still use salsa for her dressing on her salad and say she couldn't use full fat anything just yet She said she had to stay at 1500 calories in P3 with no fat--or so I thought it was 1500.

I'm not sure where she got the no full fat from - they don't say that!! They say to double the protein and to add fats (just like Dr Simeon). They also say to aim for around 1500 calories. After the first 21 days of P3, then you can start adding sugar/starch in carefully.. preferably one food at a time so you can see how it affects your weight.

[Jeanyyy]

Down 0.4 today to 204.9 (LDW is 206.8 and it is day 5 of P3 Stage 1). I even had a mug cake and some chocolate bark yesterday!