P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL NOVEMBER 2012

[cocoapeanut]

Happy Friday all!

Probably still could use a good Bernice visit, but at least I'm down a little? -1.2. One step at a time I suppose!

Dawn -- Glad you found us, lol! I think being a SAHM for a while will be nice. Definitely give yourself some "me" time. You deserve it! Good luck on JUDDD And yay for gluten-free menus! I just started reading "Wheat Belly" and it's already freaking me out

C'Marie -- It will get better. Acupuncture could be interesting..it seems to cure or help all sorts of things! I don't know how but it makes me curious!

Lara -- That totally blows, but you'll probably be down again tomorrow!! Darn sugar. Our bodies like to mess with us.

Julie -- So excited for your vacay, have fun! You must tell me how Slater's is!! And I would totally be doing a GYCD with all that yogurt, hahaha. I had a bunch of fish to eat, which partially inspired my meat/fat day yesterday. Ate a lot of fish and mayo I read your post yesterday and decided to try those smaller jeans on today. A bit tight, but they close! I'm at the wrong end of the 160's spectrum right now but they still fit, so that's cool. Wearing them today

Shelby -- Tomorrow night...it's gonna get real.

[C'Marie]

@ all - about the West Coast get-together - I'm flying into LA and going to book one of the condos in/near Palm Springs. Not sure which one yet, and I'll likely book one and then keep looking for trade-up possibilities. My expected dates: Thursday, April 18 through Monday, April 22. I will plan for 6-8 in the condos. Who can see themselves making it!? If we get a bigger response then I will see about just adding another room. I wanted someplace where it was nice and warm and I could just lay out by the pool after tax season. Hubby was bummed when I told him it was just us girls but I haven't gotten away for just some girl time in forever. Let me know your thoughts.

[misslatte]

Hey ladies! I've been MIA lately but P3 on Saturday! FINALLY! Only weighed in once this round and it wasn't where I wanted it to be - oh well. Back to LC for me!



I'll catch up with everyone later! Driving up the hill and staying at the ski condo for the weekend so I should have some relaxation time (aka LCF time) at some point

[Shrinking]

Wow! Sorry to hear about that mess up with your coffee Lara! I always order decaf past 6pm and ask a second time too if they're sure it's decaf. They don't like it. Then I ask them for their phone number so that if they messed up and gave me caffeine, they can stay up all night with me. I usually get a solid answer that way . And they never give me their phone number, probably think I'm nuts for asking.

How's this for a Friday night...we had a door to door vacuum salesman come waste an hour of our time. While he was showing me how dirty my floors are he could have kept cleaning! I want my time back!!! $3000 for a vacuum? Ouch! Not in the budget, we just paid for a cruise for 5!!

Marie, I had no idea you are in so much pain. I'm sorry! Has taking the weight off helped somewhat? On top of that lack of sleep makes the pain worse, glad to hear your sleep is improving. What I found amazing is that my fibromyalgia was so much better during the hcg drops. Makes me want to keep doing them with no stops but I know it's not possible. I will just enjoy being pain free when I can!

@Julie I bet you do look good! Enjoy the vacation.

@Dawn enjoy being a 'stay-at-home' mom!!!

@Shelby enjoy your weekend

[C'Marie]

@Shrinking, yes, I too noticed a big relief in pain while on hcg. I know Dr. S spoke about the relief for arthritis during hcg but a gradual return afterwards. I hate that return! LOL and if I could keep on it I would. But sleep does help. I hope I can heal my adrenals now. Just getting more sleep has been wonderful this past week.

@buttah, all, thanks for the sentiments. I don't really talk about it to anyone. It does no good and I don't like to think about it. Out of sight, out of mind somewhat yes it does. I'm good at denial. But it does make me choose not to move very much sometimes and that's bad for me overall, huh!?! so I just do whatever I can do and keep at it. Once in awhile I have a really good day and the pain only comes back when I start to tire. I enjoy those days!

SO WHO'S GOING TO SIGN UP FOR PALM SPRINGS WITH ME???? come on, I'm not kidding. I will book a condo and all you have to do is show up who is in driving distance?

[dawnyama]

Marie--my mom has had "hip issues" for a while now. Every time I visit with her she just reminds me of an old stooped over lady---which is not how I remember my mom to be when I lived with her. I keep telling her to stop looking like a gramma and stand up straight! Then she reminds me that her hip hurts so bad that she cannot stand up straight. She is finally getting it fixed!!!! She is having surgery this coming week. Apparently she feels it will go smoothly as she lives near her dad (who is 94 years old!) and hasn't asked for me to come help with her recovery. I hope that now she will be free enough of pain so that she can stand up straight. So while I don't know your pain, I do know of someone who can definitely sympathize. She has tried accupuncture, but it was while on a cruise and she loved it. Just couldn't find someone local she trusted enough to keep going. She is on a lot of meds to keep functioning and hope that she can do without once the surgery is over and she is recovered. I think you will like the accupuncture. I was hoping that JUDDD would do it for you with the anti-inflammation properties. Sorry it messed you up on the sleep. For me, I have adrenal fatigue and the most important thing, besides sleep, my doc said was to take vitamin c. I take 1000 mg with every single meal. That is doctor's orders for me!!

Wish I could go to Palm Springs, but it looks like I will be in Orlando on a middle school band trip. Trust me, I would rather be in California with adults, but another time perhaps!

[julieboolie]

Marie-I'm driving distance and VERY interested!! I'll have to check the date (dd's vball tournaments could be a potential clash and a longshot trip to Guatemala in the "Spring" has potential to kill it) but aside from those 2 potential scheduling conflicts I'm SO ready for a get together!! I'll get back to you all on the dates And about your DL/scooter comments! I'm on a Disney planning board (I'm a bit Disney obsessed) and they do comment on people using the scooters w.o. really needing them!! How can you tell? They rip on people using the GAC (a card entitiling special privelidges like the front of the line, etc.). Many have "invisible" disabilities (autism for example) and simply can't wait in long lines etc. I try to remember to be thankful that I am whole and healthy when I see people needing special assistance. I bet you're extra thankful to be so slim and relatively healthy these days!! Makes us remember how far we've come!!

Shrinking- at the decaf! I've been awake at 3am cursing a few baristas myself!! And NEVER answer the door!!

Cocoa- on the jeans! They'll stretch out if you wear them a while . I bet you look great!!

Amy-you look so cute on the hill!! Have a great (safe and warm too) weekend!! Pop in more. Let us know how your round went!

Dawn-see, the scale doesn't tell the whole story!! I know you look good! Enjoy your smaller clothes, rock those jeans and see how this next few weeks goes. Relax, enjoy your homemaking, and see how you feel. Take lots of pictures at Thanksgiving and honestly look at yourself. I appreciate the fight for a certain # on the scale, believe me! But, I am also realizing that I have a kinda' insatiable desire to be "thinner". I am finally below where I always wanted to be, and it's still not enough for me!! Am I settling? possibly. Am I greedy? Possibly. I am "normal" and "healthy" now, but we all know there is a range and I could certainly be on the lower half of that range and still be "healthy", just thinner . I am going to stabilize through the holidays (like many of us) and see what I think come Jan. I'll be taking loads of pics in Ca and will be able to honestly "see" myself. I haven't done much of that since I hit this "#" so we'll see what I really look like. The mirror is a poor reflection (pun intended!).

I'm up a tad today, but considering dinner was popcorn at the movies followed by gelato for dessert, I think I dodged a major bullet only being up 1lb. I'm quite pleased w. my body right now (I know, that came out of MY mouth/fingers!!) I am not skinny, may never be, but I am healthy, and seem to be able to tolerate indulgence w.o. a 5lb gain!! That's serious progress ladies!! In the past if I had a few bites of popcorn at the movies I'd be up 3-5lbs the next day! I had most of a small bag, and Guinduia (sp?) gelato (also a small though!) and am up 1lb? (in the interest of full disclosure I also had some SF chocolate, slice of smoked gouda and sunflower seeds later while beating my family at cards ) That's a pittance of a gain!! I'm greatly encouraged that with a broader "range" I can maintain quite happily through vacations and holidays!! While enjoying a few treats. Not everyday, mind you. That's crazy! But, I can indulge a meal and then eat "normally" the next day and be right back to my stable 146 weight!! Eureka!! It's working for ME!! I've been metabolically broken for so long I am afraid to believe I am actually maintaining and stable! In my size 6-8 clothing!?

Sorry, I'm not bragging (well, maybe I am bit -sorry!) I just wanted to share that it is possible!! If I can do it, anyone can! I've been morbidly obese 99% of my adult life. I had nearly given up hope that I could be "normal" size, meaning not in plus sizes all my life. Between Atkins and hcg - I'm happy to report that it can be done!! And you can live life as well!!

Ok, I'll let you go!! Have a great weekend ladies!! Keep fighting the fight!!

[julieboolie]

Marie-forgot to comment on your Jan. round. That's a toughie. The only thing I'd say in favor of a round, if it's short enough, you do feel better on the hcg. Less pain and you'll likely sleep better which is good during a stressful time. Just a though .

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I appreciate the fight for a certain # on the scale, believe me! But, I am also realizing that I have a kinda' insatiable desire to be "thinner". I am finally below where I always wanted to be, and it's still not enough for me!! Am I settling? possibly. Am I greedy? Possibly. I am "normal" and "healthy" now, but we all know there is a range and I could certainly be on the lower half of that range and still be "healthy", just thinner . I am going to stabilize through the holidays (like many of us) and see what I think come Jan.

I'm quite pleased w. my body right now (I know, that came out of MY mouth/fingers!!) I am not skinny, may never be, but I am healthy, and seem to be able to tolerate indulgence w.o. a 5lb gain!! That's serious progress ladies!! In the past if I had a few bites of popcorn at the movies I'd be up 3-5lbs the next day! I had most of a small bag, and Guinduia (sp?) gelato (also a small though!) and am up 1lb? (in the interest of full disclosure I also had some SF chocolate, slice of smoked gouda and sunflower seeds later while beating my family at cards ) That's a pittance of a gain!! I'm greatly encouraged that with a broader "range" I can maintain quite happily through vacations and holidays!! While enjoying a few treats. Not everyday, mind you. That's crazy! But, I can indulge a meal and then eat "normally" the next day and be right back to my stable 146 weight!! Eureka!! It's working for ME!! I've been metabolically broken for so long I am afraid to believe I am actually maintaining and stable! In my size 6-8 clothing!?

Sorry, I'm not bragging (well, maybe I am bit -sorry!) I just wanted to share that it is possible!! If I can do it, anyone can! I've been morbidly obese 99% of my adult life. I had nearly given up hope that I could be "normal" size, meaning not in plus sizes all my life. Between Atkins and hcg - I'm happy to report that it can be done!! And you can live life as well!!

Hi Julie

You are such an inspiration. Always encouraging!!! That is definitely one of your "gifts"...as you always know what to say when someone is needing it.

Everything you wrote above is sooooo true!!!

I keep trying to pinpoint an exact # on the scale. It is mind-boggling at times. I think I have settled on 175 for now. And I am 3 lbs (2.8 to be exact!) from that #, and keep thinking...NO...I can go lower! BUT...nope...gonna lay-low & maintain until after the holidays. I will be transitioning to JUDDD in a few weeks as my P4, and perhaps I may lose some then. Last year when I was sitting at 291...I would tell myself that I would give anything to just be at 199, and here I am 20+ lbs. below that & still not satisfied

As far as being pleased/okay with my body, I am getting there. I have really shrank a lot in my stomach area...especially since I took all those pics & posted them...re-shaping is really working. Granted, I still NEED some plastic surgery, but I do not feel I look so out of proportion now. Clothes are looking good. I went thrift store shopping on Sunday & bought sz.14 jeans...they are already starting to be too loose by the end of the day...so the life-long dream of 12's is not far off...of course, after surgery...I would be 8/10's.

I have been overweight/morbidly obese all my life...I was 160's-180's in Jr. High & even more in high school...so I am pretty much at all-time low weight. Because of hHCG...my mindset had changed, and with sheer perseverance, I plan to stay focused and NEVER have to do extreme dieting ever again. Once I settle weight-wise and after surgery, I am going to implement a rule of only allowing a MAX of 10 lbs. gain for whatever reason...trauma, holidays, etc., and then striving to get it back down.

AND...you brag all you want!!! We're rooting for you!!! You deserve it!!!

[jenniferjacobs]

i posted some where but i cant firgure out where i posted yesterday im going tobe starting this hcg on thanksgiving day . do i take the drops even on my days to gorge the first few days ? also when do i know to start p3 i was reading some of the post but i havent ran across it also what fruits are you aloud to eat on p2 and what vegtables ? and do you know what hair product and bath stuff you can use ?

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by jenniferjacobs

i posted some where but i cant firgure out where i posted yesterday im going tobe starting this hcg on thanksgiving day . do i take the drops even on my days to gorge the first few days ? also when do i know to start p3 i was reading some of the post but i havent ran across it also what fruits are you aloud to eat on p2 and what vegtables ? and do you know what hair product and bath stuff you can use ?

This should help ya:

HCG diet short form

TIPS FOR P2 OF DR. SIMEONS PROTOCOL

[buttah]

Guys, I have a question. I think consuming artificially sweetened chocolate and SF chocolate almonds sweetened with Maltitol (which seems to be the artificial sweetener of choice for candies) is giving me headaches.

I'm so bummed because SF chocolate has really been a life saver for me in maintaining during P3. But I have had migraine issues, and I'm nearly certain they're back thanks to Maltitol.

Anyone else have this problem? Can you recommend any Stevia-sweetened chocolate? Everything seems to be sweetened with Maltitol. Bummer!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Marie-I'm driving distance and VERY interested!! I'll have to check the date (dd's vball tournaments could be a potential clash and a longshot trip to Guatemala in the "Spring" has potential to kill it) but aside from those 2 potential scheduling conflicts I'm SO ready for a get together!! I'll get back to you all on the dates And about your DL/scooter comments! I'm on a Disney planning board (I'm a bit Disney obsessed) and they do comment on people using the scooters w.o. really needing them!! How can you tell? They rip on people using the GAC (a card entitiling special privelidges like the front of the line, etc.). Many have "invisible" disabilities (autism for example) and simply can't wait in long lines etc. I try to remember to be thankful that I am whole and healthy when I see people needing special assistance. I bet you're extra thankful to be so slim and relatively healthy these days!! Makes us remember how far we've come!!

Shrinking- at the decaf! I've been awake at 3am cursing a few baristas myself!! And NEVER answer the door!!

Cocoa- on the jeans! They'll stretch out if you wear them a while . I bet you look great!!

Amy-you look so cute on the hill!! Have a great (safe and warm too) weekend!! Pop in more. Let us know how your round went!

Dawn-see, the scale doesn't tell the whole story!! I know you look good! Enjoy your smaller clothes, rock those jeans and see how this next few weeks goes. Relax, enjoy your homemaking, and see how you feel. Take lots of pictures at Thanksgiving and honestly look at yourself. I appreciate the fight for a certain # on the scale, believe me! But, I am also realizing that I have a kinda' insatiable desire to be "thinner". I am finally below where I always wanted to be, and it's still not enough for me!! Am I settling? possibly. Am I greedy? Possibly. I am "normal" and "healthy" now, but we all know there is a range and I could certainly be on the lower half of that range and still be "healthy", just thinner . I am going to stabilize through the holidays (like many of us) and see what I think come Jan. I'll be taking loads of pics in Ca and will be able to honestly "see" myself. I haven't done much of that since I hit this "#" so we'll see what I really look like. The mirror is a poor reflection (pun intended!).

I'm up a tad today, but considering dinner was popcorn at the movies followed by gelato for dessert, I think I dodged a major bullet only being up 1lb. I'm quite pleased w. my body right now (I know, that came out of MY mouth/fingers!!) I am not skinny, may never be, but I am healthy, and seem to be able to tolerate indulgence w.o. a 5lb gain!! That's serious progress ladies!! In the past if I had a few bites of popcorn at the movies I'd be up 3-5lbs the next day! I had most of a small bag, and Guinduia (sp?) gelato (also a small though!) and am up 1lb? (in the interest of full disclosure I also had some SF chocolate, slice of smoked gouda and sunflower seeds later while beating my family at cards ) That's a pittance of a gain!! I'm greatly encouraged that with a broader "range" I can maintain quite happily through vacations and holidays!! While enjoying a few treats. Not everyday, mind you. That's crazy! But, I can indulge a meal and then eat "normally" the next day and be right back to my stable 146 weight!! Eureka!! It's working for ME!! I've been metabolically broken for so long I am afraid to believe I am actually maintaining and stable! In my size 6-8 clothing!?

Sorry, I'm not bragging (well, maybe I am bit -sorry!) I just wanted to share that it is possible!! If I can do it, anyone can! I've been morbidly obese 99% of my adult life. I had nearly given up hope that I could be "normal" size, meaning not in plus sizes all my life. Between Atkins and hcg - I'm happy to report that it can be done!! And you can live life as well!!

Ok, I'll let you go!! Have a great weekend ladies!! Keep fighting the fight!!

You go girl You have done so well you deserve it. I know no one else feels as we do so even if you tell your family these things, they don't "get it". We do So go ahead!!! Shout it here!!

I am just like you. I figure that if I can maintain this holiday season without killing myself then it doesn't really matter if I stay 3 lbs above LDW. That isn't so bad. Isn't that great??!! I have been in P4 a week now and am just a lb out of my window. If you look at what I have been eating all week you will figure out why I have had brownies, triple chocolate butter bars from Whole Foods. For sure they were not low carb, of course whole foods, but real sugar, real flour, etc.....then I ate at work--2 days in a row, and it was soooo good

Ended up doing only 4 eggs on my egg day, so I will count that as my DD so today is my UD I can eat so happy!!! Julie--we love smoked gouda. It is Amy's favorite cheese right now. I am so glad that Walmart carries Borden brand of it sliced. I also agree with you on the pictures. The scale lies and can definitely disappoint I think that pictures tell the story better. That is how it can motivate you to diet, but also see how far you have come. I have never been to DisneyLand so I hope you post a lot of pictures. I have been to DisneyWorld because it is on the east coast and we love it!

[misslatte]

Update time!

Just finished P2 today and honestly I'm still not where I want to be. My body seems to really like being where it is ~160ish so I'm going to go back to my normal WOE for a little bit (gluten free, low carb, sugar free) and see how things go. Perhaps I'll count it as a planned interruption for a few weeks as a jumpstart. Some stress in life right now which always seems to stall progress unfortunately.

I've been in and out of the doctor lately trying to figure out what is going on with me. Massive fatigue, not getting good sleep, consistent aches and pains, no sex drive (sorry, TMI?), general feeling crappy 24/7. I've seen 2 endocrinologists in the past, the first one put me on cytomel and told me to take iron supplements, the second took me off of both saying I was fine and my iron/thyroid levels were 'normal'. I was fed up with how I've been feeling and went into a family doc on Thursday to talk about things and get a different perspective. I mentioned a few things that I've read online about testing antibodies and also about my massive gluten sensitivity. I'm waiting results on the labs to see what next steps are on the thyroid front. I really liked how my visit with the doc went, she said she leans to treat more of the symptoms because everyone's "normal range" is different. Even if they say I'm "normal" my feeling crappy definitely isn't normal.


buttah - I've been on the search for some good chocolate without nasty sugar alcohols too - specifically malitol/sorbitol.. I've heard the chocoperfection bars are pretty popular but I've yet to try them. Also, in searching online I found a brand that is sweetened with stevia/erythritol but haven't tried yet either - Lily's Sweets. They have a dark chocolate, coconut, crispy rice and almond. I've ended up just making my own chocolates at home but it would be nice to have options.

[C'Marie]

@Buttah, I second the chocoperfection ones. I had them and liked them just fine. Also, if you are in P4 you CAN try a little of the regular chocolate. I do the super dark, like 85% trader joe's with regular sugar. It's so minimal I don't stress about a little of it in P4. That is about the only real sugar I eat, once in awhile something with a sauce out in a restaurant I know must have sugar but I don't use it at home and I don't eat out much. I figure my body has to be able to burn it when it sees it.

Well, after doing 3 rotations with 700, 800, and 1000 calorie DD (with UD in between at 1700-1800 calories) my weight is inching downwards. I am hopeful that it will stay there or go a little lower. Now instead of LIW+4+ I am LIW+2.8 ! Yay! Today is a "medium" day because tomorrow has to be up to start my week Monday with a DD like always.

@Julie, you have the right perspective. I need to get there in my mind also. It is so hard when you've been overweight so long and you desperately just want to be "normal" - I even look in the mirror and still don't believe it sometimes. I betcha I'm on that same DLand "board" and yes, they sure rip people who don't look broken and make nasty comments about fat ladies on scooters. *sigh* being fat seems to be the last acceptable discrimination allowable to some people. People can be so mean. Honestly I've fought my whole life, but with hcg this is the first time I've had the proper tools to be successful.

@Misslatte, I'm glad your new doctor will listen to you! "normal" ranges don't mean a darn thing if you don't feel normal!

@Dawn, so you've started JUDDD? yay!

@Shrinkin, yes, taking off weight did help quite a bit, it also changed my hormone balance for the good because so much extra fat apparently messes with your progesterone/estrogen levels (I think fat produces too much estrogen?) and with that the pain goes up. I have less "overall" pain but now it's pretty specific to the hip area. I am looking forward to trying acupuncture. One of my clients said his wife used a certain acupuncturist in town to get rid of bone cancer pain *OUCH* and it really worked. I guess you can't get worse pain than that.

[shelbyla]

Morning guys! Or I guess we are into the afternoon, even here in CA!

I've been up since 7am. I had a few things I needed to get done today and the less fun ones--cooking chicken thighs, cleaning and organizing my garage, working out--have been accomplished. Makes me a happy camper! Now I need to give myself a mani/pedi and get ready for a fun evening wine tasting with friends at an event in downtown. And ANOTHER date tomorrow with the young guy...oy!

@misslatte - I've dealt with the endo dance and exactly what you are going for most of my 30's. I've managed to heal myself using some fabulous online advocacy groups and self-treatment. I highly recommend checking out eaware.org. These are the people I worked with to get myself sorted out. My biggest recommendation is to get the RIGHT tests and if you can't afford tests, get a regular mercury thermometer and start tracking temps. If you'd like more info, please feel to PM me. I've got lots of info to share.

@Julie - You are one of my biggest inspirations and just a darn lovely person. I SOOOO hope to get to meet you IRL! And yes, you have every single right to brag and feel awesome about stabilization! I feel the same way! I was back at 143.1 this morning which is exactly where I am expecting on the weekends!

@buttah - I will third the chocoperfection. The sweetener is erythritol which is usually a lot less harsh on the body. I'll also weigh in on the really dark chocolate with real sugar. I find really good stuff at a place in Culver City called Surfas. It's a wonderful cooking store with just about every fabulous ingredient and cooking device you can possibly imagine, including a rack about 15 feet long with every possible type of chocolate imaginable at every cocoa concentration from all sorts of places on the globe. And that's just the chips and feves and blocks. They also have amazing treats and gourmet chocolate bars. Anyway, I'll stop now...

@C'Marie - You know I'm totally in for Palm Springs! I'll bring the good Italian chocolate!!!!!

@Angela - So glad to hear that you are seeing continuing improvement!

@Shrinking - $3000 for a vacuum??? What, is it gold plated? Jeesh!

Cocoa & Dawn

[junkn]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

@Julie - You are one of my biggest inspirations and just a darn lovely person. I SOOOO hope to get to meet you IRL! And yes, you have every single right to brag and feel awesome about stabilization! I feel the same way! I was back at 143.1 this morning which is exactly where I am expecting on the weekends!

i agree. she is great and so encouraging.

[junkn]

so do you guys alway get reshaping in P3? and by reshaping what does this exactly mean? cause i might be thinner but my tummy hasn't seemed to change much lol

also, when does the reshaping actually happen? is it something you notice overnight?

[buttah]

Thanks on the chocolate recs, you guys. Shelby, I am pretty close to Culver City, so I'll check that place out. And yes, I am in P4, but real sugar also tends to give me headaches. (I spent years thinking it was dairy or cheese, and when I started eating low glycemic, voila, finally my headaches improved - fast forward to SF chocolate almonds and being on P3/P4 and eating too many, I guess.) So I have to find the right chocolate. Without that it will be very hard to maintain.

Anyway, the search goes on.

Junkn, I think HCG "reshaping" refers to the overall diet, mostly P2, because you are losing supposed "abnormal" fat. I don't totally believe that. I think people just think there's some kind of unique reshaping going on... because they're losing more quickly than they ever have on any other diet, and they can SEE it. But I don't really know.

I know I've lost a total of 37 lbs, 17 on HCG, and yes, my body's shape has improved. But how could it not?

[C'Marie]

Re: reshaping..... I experience it every P3, while the scale stays completely stable, or even goes up. It's not an urban myth, it's just different for everyone, just like everything else! YMMV. I notice that things keep moving around for awhile even after stopping hcg and P2. I do notice though that the completely flat tummy of P2 goes away pretty fast once I start eating more in P3! ha ha! but that's to be expected, I guess. Now that I've lost so much weight, and have floppy skin from being 100 pounds heavier for so long, it's harder to tell I think. If you are young and have flexible/pliable skin that pops back into shape, I think it's way more obvious. We all have seen people who lose weight in their face and boobs and nowhere else on other diets. That's one of the things that makes this protocol different for me anyway. I don't look gaunt and sick, I look healthy and happy.

[junkn]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Re: reshaping..... I do notice though that the completely flat tummy of P2 goes away pretty fast once I start eating more in P3! ha ha! but that's to be expected, I guess.

wow i didn't even think about this! no wonder my stomach feels like its bigger. makes perfect sense. sighss.. wish it could go to my boobies & booty

i've had 3 c-sections and now a wrinkly pouch. maybe i'll try the wraps someone mentioned on here and see if it helps at all

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Hi Julie

You are such an inspiration. Always encouraging!!! That is definitely one of your "gifts"...as you always know what to say when someone is needing it.

Everything you wrote above is sooooo true!!!

I keep trying to pinpoint an exact # on the scale. It is mind-boggling at times. I think I have settled on 175 for now. And I am 3 lbs (2.8 to be exact!) from that #, and keep thinking...NO...I can go lower! BUT...nope...gonna lay-low & maintain until after the holidays. I will be transitioning to JUDDD in a few weeks as my P4, and perhaps I may lose some then. Last year when I was sitting at 291...I would tell myself that I would give anything to just be at 199, and here I am 20+ lbs. below that & still not satisfied

As far as being pleased/okay with my body, I am getting there. I have really shrank a lot in my stomach area...especially since I took all those pics & posted them...re-shaping is really working. Granted, I still NEED some plastic surgery, but I do not feel I look so out of proportion now. Clothes are looking good. I went thrift store shopping on Sunday & bought sz.14 jeans...they are already starting to be too loose by the end of the day...so the life-long dream of 12's is not far off...of course, after surgery...I would be 8/10's.

I have been overweight/morbidly obese all my life...I was 160's-180's in Jr. High & even more in high school...so I am pretty much at all-time low weight. Because of hHCG...my mindset had changed, and with sheer perseverance, I plan to stay focused and NEVER have to do extreme dieting ever again. Once I settle weight-wise and after surgery, I am going to implement a rule of only allowing a MAX of 10 lbs. gain for whatever reason...trauma, holidays, etc., and then striving to get it back down.

AND...you brag all you want!!! We're rooting for you!!! You deserve it!!!

Thank you sweetie! I bet if you're buying 14's at the thrift store you may already be in 12's at Kohls or Target!! You ought to try it when you're out next. You'll be pleasantly surprised I predict! Your youth sounds like mine! I was 150lbs in 6th grade and kept going from there. Size 22-24 when I hit my Sr. year in HS . I think once you're through losing and the surgery, and can take a little time to heal, and "settle" into your "new" body, you'll maintain diligently!! Do you gain quickly like I do? I can put on 10lbs in a few days!! It's a good idea to have a cap on it! I need to do that too!

Originally Posted by buttah

Guys, I have a question. I think consuming artificially sweetened chocolate and SF chocolate almonds sweetened with Maltitol (which seems to be the artificial sweetener of choice for candies) is giving me headaches.

I'm so bummed because SF chocolate has really been a life saver for me in maintaining during P3. But I have had migraine issues, and I'm nearly certain they're back thanks to Maltitol.

Anyone else have this problem? Can you recommend any Stevia-sweetened chocolate? Everything seems to be sweetened with Maltitol. Bummer!

I'm w. the others. I'm leaning toward the 70-85% dark chocolates. Figure a bit of sugar is better than the intestinal distress the AS gives me! Sorry for the headaches! Dh gets migraines but since he's given up nutrasweet and gluten it's much better!

Originally Posted by dawnyama

You go girl You have done so well you deserve it. I know no one else feels as we do so even if you tell your family these things, they don't "get it". We do So go ahead!!! Shout it here!!

I am just like you. I figure that if I can maintain this holiday season without killing myself then it doesn't really matter if I stay 3 lbs above LDW. That isn't so bad. Isn't that great??!! I have been in P4 a week now and am just a lb out of my window. If you look at what I have been eating all week you will figure out why I have had brownies, triple chocolate butter bars from Whole Foods. For sure they were not low carb, of course whole foods, but real sugar, real flour, etc.....then I ate at work--2 days in a row, and it was soooo good
Julie--we love smoked gouda. It is Amy's favorite cheese right now. I am so glad that Walmart carries Borden brand of it sliced. I also agree with you on the pictures. The scale lies and can definitely disappoint I think that pictures tell the story better. That is how it can motivate you to diet, but also see how far you have come. I have never been to DisneyLand so I hope you post a lot of pictures. I have been to DisneyWorld because it is on the east coast and we love it!

WTG!! That's a great range after your week!! So happy for you!! We lived near WDW for 5 months back in 2005 and went to the parks every weekend. We were total WDW people. Then we moved to AZ (well, truthfully, going to college in SCal I was already a DL fan. My roomie worked there so I got to go for free!!). Anyway, now I'm happier at DL than WDW. Less walking and all my favorite rides/shows in 1 place (2 parks now). Can't wait. I'll post pics, no worries there! smoked gouda!

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Well, after doing 3 rotations with 700, 800, and 1000 calorie DD (with UD in between at 1700-1800 calories) my weight is inching downwards. I am hopeful that it will stay there or go a little lower. Now instead of LIW+4+ I am LIW+2.8 ! Yay! Today is a "medium" day because tomorrow has to be up to start my week Monday with a DD like always.

@Julie, you have the right perspective. I need to get there in my mind also. It is so hard when you've been overweight so long and you desperately just want to be "normal" - I even look in the mirror and still don't believe it sometimes. I betcha I'm on that same DLand "board" and yes, they sure rip people who don't look broken and make nasty comments about fat ladies on scooters. *sigh* being fat seems to be the last acceptable discrimination allowable to some people. People can be so mean. Honestly I've fought my whole life, but with hcg this is the first time I've had the proper tools to be successful.

Well, believe it sista! you're a whole new woman!! It takes so long for our minds to catch up. So glad you're heading back down!! WTG. at the dis board!

Originally Posted by shelbyla

@misslatte - I've dealt with the endo dance and exactly what you are going for most of my 30's. I've managed to heal myself using some fabulous online advocacy groups and self-treatment. I highly recommend checking out eaware.org. These are the people I worked with to get myself sorted out. My biggest recommendation is to get the RIGHT tests and if you can't afford tests, get a regular mercury thermometer and start tracking temps. If you'd like more info, please feel to PM me. I've got lots of info to share.

@Julie - You are one of my biggest inspirations and just a darn lovely person. I SOOOO hope to get to meet you IRL! And yes, you have every single right to brag and feel awesome about stabilization! I feel the same way! I was back at 143.1 this morning which is exactly where I am expecting on the weekends!

@C'Marie - You know I'm totally in for Palm Springs! I'll bring the good Italian chocolate!!!!!
@Angela - So glad to hear that you are seeing continuing improvement!

Cocoa & Dawn

We can start a mutual admiration society!! You've helped me so much w. all this thyroid stuff (Amy-PM her!) and are such a great inspiration to me! Definitely gonna' get together IRL- One of my CA trips or the get together in PS. WTG on being back to your "normal" weight!! So happy for you!! Have a great time this weekend!

Originally Posted by junkn

i agree. she is great and so encouraging.

- you're so sweet!

Originally Posted by junkn

wow i didn't even think about this! no wonder my stomach feels like its bigger. makes perfect sense. sighss.. wish it could go to my boobies & booty

i've had 3 c-sections and now a wrinkly pouch. maybe i'll try the wraps someone mentioned on here and see if it helps at all

I agree 100%!! I wish I could make it go to my boobs now!! I'm really deflated these days! I had 2 c/s and am still much heavier than you, but man, that pooch! I agree w. Marie, I miss that flatter belly of P2. Not the gnawing emptiness that caused it , but it was nice to really feel that much thinner!

You're all so sweet! It's so nice, like Dawn mentioned, to be able to share this struggle w. friends who really do understand! You're fighting the same fight. Some days we win, some we lose, but the war is ongoing and we can do it!! "Dead men don't struggle" is a favorite quote of mine. If we're stuggling, we're not dead or giving up!! We're alive and winning!

[C'Marie]

I just have to share. I went out and got one of the new holiday teas. I really like it. It's the Celestial brand, the sugar cookie sleigh ride one. It's really good. No caffeine, tastes like a sugar cookie to me! Says no cals, no carbs, etc. It does have *gluten* in it though because it's got roasted barley. That's what the package says. I want to try the one called Egg Nogg'n by Bigelow next. They didn't have it where I went.

My Medium day ended a little too high. So my UD tomorrow in preparation for an astounding on-plan DD on Monday will have to be a little lower than I am used to for an UD I think. Not going to weigh until after Monday now.

I'm going to go look at some formal wear tomorrow. Friend of mine's daughter runs a high-end consignment shop and she's got some in my size ..... never know when I might need a sleek little something ha ha ha .... I need to quit settling for "matronly" and go for HOT! I can still wear a push-up bra with the best of them

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

I just have to share. I went out and got one of the new holiday teas. I really like it. It's the Celestial brand, the sugar cookie sleigh ride one. It's really good. No caffeine, tastes like a sugar cookie to me! Says no cals, no carbs, etc. It does have *gluten* in it though because it's got roasted barley. That's what the package says. I want to try the one called Egg Nogg'n by Bigelow next. They didn't have it where I went.

My Medium day ended a little too high. So my UD tomorrow in preparation for an astounding on-plan DD on Monday will have to be a little lower than I am used to for an UD I think. Not going to weigh until after Monday now.

I'm going to go look at some formal wear tomorrow. Friend of mine's daughter runs a high-end consignment shop and she's got some in my size ..... never know when I might need a sleek little something ha ha ha .... I need to quit settling for "matronly" and go for HOT! I can still wear a push-up bra with the best of them

I saw these teas at Albertsons yesterday...I got the "Ginger-snappish". I love the names...so cute & festive. I have 2 flavors from last year left...they are pretty good...helps w/ getting those holiday flavors/tastes/cravings with minimal damage to the waistline

And yes...the best of us just tuck & roll it all in, huh? Thank goodness for bras & panty girdles...my best friends here lately

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

@ all - about the West Coast get-together - I'm flying into LA and going to book one of the condos in/near Palm Springs. Not sure which one yet, and I'll likely book one and then keep looking for trade-up possibilities. My expected dates: Thursday, April 18 through Monday, April 22. I will plan for 6-8 in the condos. Who can see themselves making it!? If we get a bigger response then I will see about just adding another room. I wanted someplace where it was nice and warm and I could just lay out by the pool after tax season. Hubby was bummed when I told him it was just us girls but I haven't gotten away for just some girl time in forever. Let me know your thoughts.

That sounds fun! I'm interested, keep me posted. If I go it would be for the weekend only... and it would be pending my getting the day off which I'm not quite sure cause its the end of fiscal year for the hospital... and I would be down for Las Vegas too!
Maybe Julie would carpool??

I'm up. Way up, I dont wanna even say how much....
I'm out of the window and on the floor lol.....
Ok I'm 7lbs out of the window. But I will fix it starting Monday. No problemo. If I have to cut off a limb I will be down before Thanksgiving.
I ratted out the coffee guy. Hes in a hospital what if I had diabetes or hypoglycemia or something. From now on I will say please show me the bottle before you pump, this will not happen to me again.

So that got me thinking... I dont have such a severe response to carbs just to sugar... could this be because I never added back fruits and really any sugar until way after I was off the diet. I did add carbs tho.

I hope your mom does well Dawn, and that you feel better C'Marie. I've been feeling achy too might be the change in weather? I'm a huge advocate of acupuncture... its done wonders fro me in so many ways. We have a place here for $15 a session its awesome.

Ok gotta get to work doing overtime... ~Lara

[buttah]

Julie, which 70-85% real sugar chocolate do you recommend? I don't really understand what the percentage means. Higher percentage, less sugar?

C'Marie, shopping is the best medicine. Retail therapy!

Sorry I don't have personals for everyone - I have about two seconds to type, then running out the door again.

Still securely in my window, just a half pound over LDW!

But I do want to say this to everyone: Don't be scared of being portion-conscious and NOT stuffing yourself on Thanksgiving (not saying any of you will, but so many women I know seem so afraid of it, it's like they've surrendered to inevitable abuse before it's even gotten here). It's possible to enjoy a holiday and not feel guilty if you pick your treats carefully (don't consider it a free-for-all where everything is "your" treat) and don't have huge portions. And no seconds. It really is possible. And remember: it's just another Thanksgiving. You've had tons of them and, if you live long enough (which being healthy is part of), you'll have tons more.

End of sermon. And please know I say it as much to myself as to everyone else.

[Shrinking]

Hello All!!

I have been researching things I can eat to help maintain and have seen some using 'fat bombs'. Does anyone have a recipe that does not include coconut oil or coconut butter? Very allergic to coconut! Alternatively, any ideas of a substitute for coconut oil? (this coconut allergy is what saves me from massive gains on tropical vacations, but it really sucks)

Thanks

[Reddy]

Hi All... fly by post.

I still can't seem to get notifications on any threads, PMs or anything. I don't get it. I'm subscribed here so it makes no sense.

Anyway, I have sort of fallen off the wagon taking the "I can have sugar and carbs" thing a little too far. I am 2lbs over window this morning so I set out to do a "meat day" and it just didn't happen. Carbs crept in. I really need to get myself in chekc before It turns into 5 + lbs.

Tomorrow I vow to make it a true proper correction and take it easy on the carbs!

Hope you're all doing great and maintaining well!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by buttah

Julie, which 70-85% real sugar chocolate do you recommend? I don't really understand what the percentage means. Higher percentage, less sugar?

Higher percentage, higher cocoa content. The higher the percentage, generally the LOWER the sugar. Valrhona is pretty good. They have a nice 85% one in feves at Surfas.

[LaraSuzz]

Gonna have a meaty week. That's all I'm going to say. I'm going to do this. I have 10 days to loose this out of the window weight.