P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL SEPTEMBER 2012

[julieboolie]

Buttah-rx is different, but your first round is always your best round. So if you're still losing and can stand going that long, do it!! You'll be done!!! Even if you only get close, you'll take off the last few in Juddd. Most agree its ok to lose more in P4. I'd be happy if that happened to me!!!

Dawn- I'm kicking Juddd around. Still mulling .

Reddy-you are doing great!! Lowered appetite? Yes please!!!

Just had a large sf breve latte blended. Delicious! Hope it wasn't too much?! Made pork chops tonight, also delicious! I enjoy P3!! Assuming the scale cooperates .

[buttah]

Yeah, it's some time in P4 (the second three weeks) that I'm thinking it would be nice to begin losing a little more in. Obviously it's "okay" to lose after that, since one could even technically start another round then.

Reddy, JUDDD stands for Johnson Up Day Down Day diet. Hence the 3 D's. In case you were wondering if we all just get trigger happy on the D key.

[Reddy]

Oh yeah I know that.

I hope to try it some day!

[julieboolie]

Buttah-if you know it's ok to lose in P4, why would you not want to? What am I missing? I'm at my dream goal and wouldn't mind losing a few more .

I'm really enjoying P3. I hope the scale likes it as much as I do!! I would love to just eat intuitively all clean healthy P3 foods, w/o without stressing or correcting constantly.

I made delicious pork chops today. I seasoned and browned them in oil/butter . Made carmelized onions to put on top, and let them cook all day in the crock pot. I was proud of myself at eating only 1 of them at dinner. I wasn't starving, just hungry, and listened to that over the desire to keep eating my yummy pork. I had my salad, and green beans and truly enjoyed my food. Stopped when satisfied.

I had a large breve latte around 7. I was kinda' hungry and out running around. So I chose that over eating something and it filled me nicely.

I like being able to actually cook more freely again!! I really hope I can keep living well and not get into correctionville. We'll see. Day 2 is too soon to say. The only regret today is that I got a large latte. Should have ordered the small. Oh well. Learning as I go

[buttah]

Julie, I DIDN'T know it was okay to lose in P4!!! I thought we were supposed to stay in the "window" for three weeks of P3 and then 3 weeks of P4, THEN it was "okay" to lose, after the 6 weeks. Did I have it wrong? (I was saying that I know I CAN lose on JUDDD).

[C'Marie]

@Which "Marie" were you referring to? I know cruzcrazy (or something like that) is a Marie also - and she did JUDDD but not sure when she switched. I did do it right after my 72 hours and started P3 with one up day and then went straight into down days at 500 calories. I started losing again and got skeered so upped my DD calories after the 2nd week but kept to the rotations. It really was the easiest maintenance I ever did. Natural "correction days" every other day! and the hunger issue never really hit me, as far as full force hunger coming back in P3, except the first few DD's because of just wanting to EAT PROTEIN - LOL. When I overindulge, however, even now, it does hit me pretty good. I have to work at keeping my rotations. DD today, again, and hoping to be back in my window. I would not be afraid of losing now, that I was pretty stable for several months. In fact, if I could take off 25 more pounds this way I would certainly do it. We'll see - I'll go for 5 first!

[cocoapeanut]

You can technically lose in P4 if you want to. P4 is basically "regular life." You're just supposed to give yourself that extra time after P3 to let yourself recover and prepare for another round, should you choose to do one.

[mkbark]

New to signing up to this board. On my third round of P3 and having some constipation issues. Thinking the gain of 2 lbs. this morning is because of not having a BM. With the increase of protein I have not had a BM for 5 days now. I know, kind of gross, but how else do you say it!! Is there something I can eat or take that will help relieve me of this issue??

[Reddy]

Mkbark I think many would suggest magnesium. I believe Buttah recommends Natural Calm.

No BM is the worst.

Buttah yes you CAN lose in P4 but usually you want to stabilize there at first. At least that was my understanding.

Julie good for you for watching HS! I need to work on this! I eat just b Ivan more often than I should! The stuff you cool sounds so Delish!

I STS today. Not a bad thing I'm in y window .6 over LIW but I expected to be down a bit today bc TMI but for Some reason I spent a lot of time in the bathroom yesterday.

I think the almond butter I've used this round is trouble. The one I used last time never gave me trouble but this time I think it may be - different brand with less favorable stats! Oh well. I'll skip it today!

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Thanks!! I try not to forget from whence I've come!! I did fine keeping off the 100lbs for the past 9+ years. Give or take. I'll pick up 10lbs easily on trips etc., but I always go back to "normal" eating, which is LC, and it goes back off. I really wanted to be in the 140's (heck, even the 150's seemed like a dream to me!!) and now that I am here, I am really pleased. I am trying to keep it all in perspective. Balancing the +/- 2lbs range of Simeons, with the real world life of weight fluctuations and exercise etc. I do tend to retain when I exercise, which is a bummer . But I want exercise to be part of my normal life!! I hope I can come back down as easily as you have. You stabilize so well!! Your body must feel good being back "home" in it's happy weight zone!!

Cocoa-you're getting there. I imagine the FF makes it a bit more tolerable as you transition? I agree completely that being "normal" in our society means gaining weight. I've been "normal" for years!! Sigh. I too need to figure out my relationship w. food. I have been LC for 9+ years and have developed a love/hate relationship w. food. I am trying to wrap my head around the idea of living without certain foods so as to maintain w. ease. I haven't been able to reconcile the idea of no sugar and empty starches as part of my permanent lifestyle. It really isn't that big a deal, day to day. I'm pretty used to it as a LCer for life. But, on birthdays, holidays, vacations I think I'd like to be able to have a bit of "off plan" food, without picking up 10lbs in the process. I am hoping on my next 2 trips that I can dabble in carbs without gluttony and will be rewarded for that. We'll see. I love froyo and think incorporating that into my regular life will be easy enough. It's the other "stuff" that I can't seem to balance. Practice, practice, practice!!

Lara-what are you doing about the candida? What's w. the leg? I don't remember the details, but you said something about it being swollen. Bacon coffee CD!! I'm adding that to my repertoire!!

About two weeks abo I went outside after it rained and I could feel myself getting bitten by mosquitos.. two days later after I was shaving my legs my shin looked like I instantly had razor burn... and ankle and shin got swollen hot and red and I had to go to my doctor for antibiotics for 10 days and that caused a candida(yeast) infection that lasted the next 8 days... I was miserable... I started gaining weight from the antibiotics... and finally after my coffee bacon day I'm down 2.6.... what a week. It was really bad and I havent had a reaction like that in years. I'm very allergic to bites but I have no idea what provoked such a bad reaction. I was so itchy and uncomfortable I wanted to just scratch everywhere lol...

Ok so yesterday I had 1 pack of farmer johns bacon thru the day coffee with cream and splenda and 3 rum and diet cokes lol -2.6 lbs yay.
I'm in my window!!!!!!!!

I havent been able to find breakfast sausage without dextrose in it, anyone know what brand is safe? I love links and patties with eggs...

There have been some questions regarding losses in p4 and I agree ok to loose... theres a post called Tips for surviving p3/p4 it has a lot of good info.
The only thing I think is important is that you really pay attention to your body and the signs it gives you if you dont feel well dont push it.

I will bump that thread...

have a good day all Lara

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by buttah

Julie, I DIDN'T know it was okay to lose in P4!!! I thought we were supposed to stay in the "window" for three weeks of P3 and then 3 weeks of P4, THEN it was "okay" to lose, after the 6 weeks. Did I have it wrong? (I was saying that I know I CAN lose on JUDDD).

some info...
A Plan for Surviving P3, P4, and Lifelong Maintenance

[dazygyrl]

delurking....

lara...i really like farmland all natural sausage. ingredients: Pork, water, salt, spices, natural flavorings. it's an 8oz roll.

back to lurking...

[Reddy]

Congrats on the loss Lara! That's awesome! ESP with a
Few Drinks in there! I bet those hit hard with nothing but bacon and antibiotics in your system!

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

delurking....

lara...i really like farmland all natural sausage. ingredients: Pork, water, salt, spices, natural flavorings. it's an 8oz roll.

back to lurking...

Perfect I will look for Farmland, thank you! Delurk more often!

Reddy~yes it did hit me pretty fast, but I stopped the antibiotics two days ago just cause the candida wouldnt go away blech!

MKBark~ Welcome... I like Philipps colon cleanse its a pill once a day drink lots of water... or magnesium citrate is a liquid you drink has some sugar but does the job if you're really at the end of your rope. This always happens to me in the third week of phase 2 very low calorie phase.

[misslatte]

Mornin ladies! I've been super busy so I'm behind in how everyone's doing. I've been trying not to be a slave to the scale and eat to hunger (WLA style) but it hasn't helped me out any. Weighed in this morning and I'm definitely out of window. Definitely. *sigh* Egg day + Bullet Proof Coffee today.

hugs to everyone! another round is in my near future, possibly loading on the 14th or 18th. Not going to weigh in during VLCDs.. I hope

[buttah]

Lara, that link is what had me thinking that for at least part of P4 (did I read 3 weeks somewhere? In P&I perhaps?), you are not supposed to lose, but rather, are continuing to "lock in" your new weight but with the added carbs and sugars. Using CD's still, if needed.

Again, did I misunderstand? Three weeks of P3 and where we are still not having any carbs/sugar (or learning what gives you an issue and dealing with it) does not seem long enough to consider oneself "stablilized" at a new weight, especially if you've been overweight for years. But maybe I am imagining things.

ETA: maybe it's just that I read somewhere that you should do 3 weeks of P4 (AFTER P3) before starting another round? Maybe that's why I have 6 weeks of not losing in my head.

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by buttah

Lara, that link is what had me thinking that for at least part of P4 (did I read 3 weeks somewhere? In P&I perhaps?), you are not supposed to lose, but rather, are continuing to "lock in" your new weight but with the added carbs and sugars. Using CD's still, if needed.

Again, did I misunderstand? Three weeks of P3 and where we are still not having any carbs/sugar (or learning what gives you an issue and dealing with it) does not seem long enough to consider oneself "stablilized" at a new weight, especially if you've been overweight for years. But maybe I am imagining things.

ETA: maybe it's just that I read somewhere that you should do 3 weeks of P4 (AFTER P3) before starting another round? Maybe that's why I have 6 weeks of not losing in my head.

I'm going to take two things into consideration. One, pounds and inches says nothing about p4... it only says three weeks of no starch no sugar. But it also says not to go over 2+ from liw...
Along the way there are so many interpretations that somtimes this gets confusing.
If you are planning to do another round you can do three weeks of p3 and then go right back into p4. I agree with that statement just because of this... why would you start re-introducing good starches and sugars just to detox on them again and then go back into another round....
P&I does say that you should have 6 weeks 9 weeks and 12 weeks between rounds and mentions that its because of immunity... I myself have never experienced that. I sometimes wonder is immunity is that feeling of weakness people mention often. It also says you need to maintain your last injection weight not to exceed or go under 2 lbs either way...
I have personally followed the protocol and ventured off and each time I was reminder that sticking with the plan works best. I can say this, the longer and stronger that you stabilize the less of a struggle you will have when you reintroduce whole grains and good sugars.
I tryly believe that some may never be able to add white food back into the regimen because lets face it thats what got us into trouble in the first place.
It's a lifestyle change and for me those items will have to be considered a once in a while treat.
This is just my opinion, and to sum it up I would get the weight off as fast as you can and then maintain and keep it off not to use this as a crutch just because we dont truly know the long term effects of what these hormones do to our bodies.

[buttah]

Gotcha. My "gut," diminishing though it is, says that longer stabilization is better regardless. That's why I decided to attempt a long round, knowing that way it would take no more than one short round thereafter to get to goal or below (I didn't want to have too many "stabilization" waiting periods before my "final" lifetime one.)

My plan is to due P3 the traditional way, ramping in fats and extra protein gradually per my clinic. Then I may jump to JUDDD.

I wonder if any HCG---->JUDDD-mainainers or HCG---->JUDDD-kept-losing people can "weigh" in whether they've maintained (or even maintained a further loss) long term? I will also ask in the JUDDD forum. C Marie? Any idea?

[dbunny]

Hey all.. Down 1.5, I am pleasantly surprised. I had BP coffee, chicken spinach soup for lunch, mozzarella in olive oil for a snack, and shrimp, cabbage, and coconut soup for dinner, plus a small glass of wine. I estimate @ 1300 calories...
Have a great day, everyone! I'll try to catch up on personals later

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by buttah

Julie, I DIDN'T know it was okay to lose in P4!!! I thought we were supposed to stay in the "window" for three weeks of P3 and then 3 weeks of P4, THEN it was "okay" to lose, after the 6 weeks. Did I have it wrong? (I was saying that I know I CAN lose on JUDDD).

Yep. It's ok. I can't seem to manage it, unfortunately, but don't think it would hurt any. If you're not at goal by P4 and CAN lose, then feel free to do so. Once you're done losing, I'll assume in JUDDD, you can up to maintain relatively easily it seems. You'll do fine!! Even an additional 3 weeks of stable P4 before losing again is good. I have found the longer I maintain btw. rounds the more successful my rounds are.

Originally Posted by misslatte

Mornin ladies! I've been super busy so I'm behind in how everyone's doing. I've been trying not to be a slave to the scale and eat to hunger (WLA style) but it hasn't helped me out any. Weighed in this morning and I'm definitely out of window. Definitely. *sigh* Egg day + Bullet Proof Coffee today.

hugs to everyone! another round is in my near future, possibly loading on the 14th or 18th. Not going to weigh in during VLCDs.. I hope

I need to try that bullet proof coffee! I bought some organic unsalted butter yesterday but I"m to scared to add it yet. Only day 3 of P3 and I dont' want to rock the boat much yet . Nice ot see you. Another round? Thought you were done? Are you getting greedy? I know that feeling!

Originally Posted by buttah

Gotcha. My "gut," diminishing though it is, says that longer stabilization is better regardless. That's why I decided to attempt a long round, knowing that way it would take no more than one short round thereafter to get to goal or below (I didn't want to have too many "stabilization" waiting periods before my "final" lifetime one.)

My plan is to due P3 the traditional way, ramping in fats and extra protein gradually per my clinic. Then I may jump to JUDDD.

I wonder if any HCG---->JUDDD-mainainers or HCG---->JUDDD-kept-losing people can "weigh" in whether they've maintained (or even maintained a further loss) long term? I will also ask in the JUDDD forum. C Marie? Any idea?

Love the bolded part above!! You'll want to talk to Cruzcrzy (Marie). She posted a good, relevant post, about her weight loss post-hcg in the thread that Lara just bumped. She went on to have a TT, then lost more w. JUDDD then lost more w. counting calories once JUDDD stopped working for her. She's below her orginial goal weight and maintaining. Watching calories is what's working for her. Privatediva is another one who has maintained her losses well-she attributes it to ratios of fat/protein and carbs.

Reddy-STS is great!!

Mbark-I second magnesium. You might also want to add a probiotic to make sure the flora/fauna are all balanced in your gut!

Lara-man, that's awful!! One blow after another!! So, are you treating the candida? Yogurt? Probiotics? Glad to see your innovative CD worked well for you . Hope you're not dehydrated from the rum? Be careful today and you'll be just fine!!

I'm 144 even today (LDW+0.8) which is good in my book. Still slightly sore from Mon and Tues exercise, but happy. I am just keeping it simple for a while. Meat, salad, green beans, GY, cottage cheese, cream in my coffee . I'm happy with that (for now). I'll probably add some cheese this weekend. Dh wants to take me out for dinner Fri. night. Been a long time since we had a "date". Leaning toward a steak place . Then we're heading up to Flagstaff for the day on Sat. Cooler weather, pretty Fall foliage, and a nice family hike. We'll eat out for dinner there too, but I already know where and what I'll get - big juicy bacon burger!! Should be a fun weekend. Hope I can stay stable and be mindful. Must talk to self - be mindful!!

[C'Marie]

@Buttah, I posted on your journal thread in answer to your question there

I am 2.2 above LIW, so almost "in window" at this point. Going to do an in-control UP day today and we'll see about tomorrow. I managed to sleep last night. I switched up some of my meds and supplements and took 2 valerian and 2 time-release melatonin and my flexiril. I didn't take the "other" pill I am trying so hard not to need. I also stopped the herbs that are supposed to help with adrenal balancing, something in it was causing me extreme shakiness and anxiousness in the afternoon. Back to the drawing board!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Reddy

I wonder that too. I think so long as you observe at least the full 6 weeks, that you are then free to start losing again with other diets. But you don't want to loose too much too fast maybe? IDK. I am so curious about JUDD and kind of excited to try it. I think I can enter P4 next week but I'm not really going to change much. Don't be scared of P3. I think you'll really like it!

I honestly believe that you can lose in P4. Because P4 is maintenance--meaning for life! You don't really come out of P4. So after those 3 weeks of P3, if you lose in P4...terrific

[shelbyla]

Hi everyone!

I am back from Mexico, happy, relaxed and feeling pretty good about what I ate when I was gone at the start of my P4. One thing for me about vacations is that I generally travel with people who don't eat "normally"--that is, for whatever reason, they eat very lightly, if at all. What this means for me is that, for the most part, I am on my own completely for breakfast, have a very light lunch, and a late'ish dinner where I usually don't eat very much. Add in random scuba diving trips--8am, 2pm, 6pm--and it's frankly surprising if I get in even one normal-sized meal, much less overeat or eat poorly.

I took a lot of dried (unsweetened) fruit with me to Mexico as well as a lot of nuts and went shopping my first day there for cheese and fresh fruit. I ate mostly fruit, nuts and cheese for breakfast/lunch/afternoon snacks and ate out mostly ceviche (lime/lemon juice marinated fish/shrimp/seafood) for late lunch/dinner food. There were some corn chips in there and one meal of enchiladas but on the whole, the food situation was pretty good and pretty light.

Now the BOOZE situation on the other hand...lordy, I love me some beer! And when it's 95 degrees with 99% humidity and the choice is light beer or margaritas, well, I went with the beer as the lesser of the two evils. I know I had too much of it and let's just say, I replaced my usual water consumption with water consumption of the Dos Equis and Modela kind!

I got in late last night and didn't weigh this morning. I am going to eat clean for the next few days, probably high fat to dump some water bloat, and weigh myself at the latest next Monday to see where I landed. If I'm still up over my window at that point I'll do a cd (may just do one anyway) but even with some less than perfect eating and drinking, my clothes are fitting the same and I just feel still really good about where I'm at.

As usual in Isla Mujeres, the diving was amazing, the people were wonderful, and the atmosphere was EXACTLY what I needed to get my head screwed on straight! Back to life and reality today. And already planning my next trip!

Gotta catch up on threads. Hope everyone is well!

[julieboolie]

Shelby-welcome back!! We missed you!! I bet you're not even up out of window after your trip!! Eating lightly w. all that exercise? I'm sure even w/ the beer you're ok. If your clothes are fitting well that's also a good sign!! WTG!! I'm going to Mexico next Sat. and hope to do as well. I'll be on a missions trip so not drinking, but we'll have a local woman making us dinner each night. That's where I'll struggle. I'm only on week 2 of P3 at that point too! I'll do the best I can, and hope to do as well as you did!!

Marie-you're dropping it well!! So glad you have JUDDD as a tool to use!! I would like the 2 day a week idea. What's that plan? I need to look into something like that for vacations especially.

Dawn-I'm w. you. If I could lose in P4 I'd welcome it!! Where are you today? Almost done? Come join me in P3 .

I'm doing fine. Chicken leg/thigh not as good reheated so that was disappointing. Had a few bites of chicken salad I finished up (since I didn't eat all the leg). Need to get out the house to keep from snacking. .

[dawnyama]

Julie--hate my scale!!! That darned thing. But I am back to my 122. When I hopped on the thing for the 2nd and 3rd time I saw 121.8 and 120.8 respectively so I am sure I will see a whoosh soon!! I am excited to be 120!!!! I am not going anywhere because I am sooooo close to my 115. Don't want to stop now.

[LaraSuzz]

Good morning, my CD stuck and I am STS today and under my window. I kind of just had a snack for dinner just cause I didnt have a lot of time to eat.

Shelby~ Your trip sounds amaze balls. I'm so glad you had a good time. I wish I coud go down there but the AZ side is a lil shady right now as far as bad activity and its not as prety as where u went.

Ok so all of the sudden an old bf and an aquaintance have popped up out of nowhere, and theyre both way younger than me and terribly attractive.... I think October is going to be a super good month for me lol Maybe this is what I needed to stay at liw? hardy har. One is like a puppy dog with clean cut dark brown hair and carmel colored eyes... omg I'm so in trouble.

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Good morning, my CD stuck and I am STS today and under my window. I kind of just had a snack for dinner just cause I didnt have a lot of time to eat.

Shelby~ Your trip sounds amaze balls. I'm so glad you had a good time. I wish I coud go down there but the AZ side is a lil shady right now as far as bad activity and its not as prety as where u went.

Ok so all of the sudden an old bf and an aquaintance have popped up out of nowhere, and theyre both way younger than me and terribly attractive.... I think October is going to be a super good month for me lol Maybe this is what I needed to stay at liw? hardy har. One is like a puppy dog with clean cut dark brown hair and carmel colored eyes... omg I'm so in trouble.

Lara! Enjoy the attention!! Guard your heart, but have fun!! And on sticking the loss!! WTG!!

Dawn-ah, the fickle scale! I hope it was nice today . You're getting there!

I'm at 143.8 today, which is LDW+0.6. I didn't eat all that much yesterday, just to hunger (I think). 1387 cals. I am still not always sure if I'm hungry or I just want to eat. Coming out of P2 I know I "can't" eat, so I really need to pause and think it through. Would something to drink suffice? Usually. That's been my P2 strategy and I'm using it in P4.

The real concern I have at keeping cals on the lower side, is, once I up them more (travel, party, restaurant meal) what happens then? Is the plan/hope that if you spend enough days at lower cals at this weight, it'll stay there even on those occasional Up days? (for lack of a better term?). Or, is the HS plan to never have an UD? Still working through all of this, obviously . But, in the meantime, I'm staying in control and paying attention to what, why, how much and when I'm eating. There is definitely still the urge to comfort eat in stressful or upsetting situations. I need to pay attention to, and in control of, those situations.

K, that's my update for today . Carry on .

[buttah]

Julie, the HS allows for natural fluctuations in hunger. And the thinner we are, the more leptin we will eventually need, so eventually, your hunger WILL rise past where it is now. (Activity and more lean muscle will make it rise to.) And THAT is when you should eat more calories (according to Robin, anyway), not now, in advance/planning of some future hypothetical situation or hunger.

Eating past the point of removing hunger always messes with our leptin and causes us to store more fat. You probably only need 1387 calories right now (if you are indeed only eating to hunger). The wonderful thing is, when you really get in touch with hunger (proof will be that you don't gain or lose, with the exception of minor fluctuations), you don't need to count calories or forbid any foods. You just listen to your body.

I'm not sure what your perception of an UD is, but if you read Dr. Johnson (and I have, twice), even an UD is NOT eating until you are full or stuffing yourself.

It's my belief that we have to give up this "right" many of us feel we have to be glutinous, ever. That's hard for us kinda folk to accept, isn't it?

And I know for many of us it's hard to trust our bodies.

Anyway, that's what Robin would say.

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Hi everyone!

I am back from Mexico, happy, relaxed and feeling pretty good about what I ate when I was gone at the start of my P4. One thing for me about vacations is that I generally travel with people who don't eat "normally"--that is, for whatever reason, they eat very lightly, if at all. What this means for me is that, for the most part, I am on my own completely for breakfast, have a very light lunch, and a late'ish dinner where I usually don't eat very much. Add in random scuba diving trips--8am, 2pm, 6pm--and it's frankly surprising if I get in even one normal-sized meal, much less overeat or eat poorly.

I took a lot of dried (unsweetened) fruit with me to Mexico as well as a lot of nuts and went shopping my first day there for cheese and fresh fruit. I ate mostly fruit, nuts and cheese for breakfast/lunch/afternoon snacks and ate out mostly ceviche (lime/lemon juice marinated fish/shrimp/seafood) for late lunch/dinner food. There were some corn chips in there and one meal of enchiladas but on the whole, the food situation was pretty good and pretty light.

Now the BOOZE situation on the other hand...lordy, I love me some beer! And when it's 95 degrees with 99% humidity and the choice is light beer or margaritas, well, I went with the beer as the lesser of the two evils. I know I had too much of it and let's just say, I replaced my usual water consumption with water consumption of the Dos Equis and Modela kind!

I got in late last night and didn't weigh this morning. I am going to eat clean for the next few days, probably high fat to dump some water bloat, and weigh myself at the latest next Monday to see where I landed. If I'm still up over my window at that point I'll do a cd (may just do one anyway) but even with some less than perfect eating and drinking, my clothes are fitting the same and I just feel still really good about where I'm at.

As usual in Isla Mujeres, the diving was amazing, the people were wonderful, and the atmosphere was EXACTLY what I needed to get my head screwed on straight! Back to life and reality today. And already planning my next trip!

Gotta catch up on threads. Hope everyone is well!

Sounds like this trip was just what the doctor ordered and I agree you probably won't be up too much if at all. Especially if you eat cleanly for the next few days!! I'm so jealous of your diving. I haven't been diving in about 3 years.. I used to live in Miami so we used to Dive in Islamorada and I loved it!

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Shelby-welcome back!! We missed you!! I bet you're not even up out of window after your trip!! Eating lightly w. all that exercise? I'm sure even w/ the beer you're ok. If your clothes are fitting well that's also a good sign!! WTG!! I'm going to Mexico next Sat. and hope to do as well. I'll be on a missions trip so not drinking, but we'll have a local woman making us dinner each night. That's where I'll struggle. I'm only on week 2 of P3 at that point too! I'll do the best I can, and hope to do as well as you did!!

Marie-you're dropping it well!! So glad you have JUDDD as a tool to use!! I would like the 2 day a week idea. What's that plan? I need to look into something like that for vacations especially.

Dawn-I'm w. you. If I could lose in P4 I'd welcome it!! Where are you today? Almost done? Come join me in P3 .

I'm doing fine. Chicken leg/thigh not as good reheated so that was disappointing. Had a few bites of chicken salad I finished up (since I didn't eat all the leg). Need to get out the house to keep from snacking. .

Sounds like you are doing really well Julie! I hope you enjoy your weekend and your date night. I don't like reheated chicken either!!! I think the taste changes!

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Julie--hate my scale!!! That darned thing. But I am back to my 122. When I hopped on the thing for the 2nd and 3rd time I saw 121.8 and 120.8 respectively so I am sure I will see a whoosh soon!! I am excited to be 120!!!! I am not going anywhere because I am sooooo close to my 115. Don't want to stop now.

YOu are so close you can almost taste it! You will hit the teens very soon!! Keep it up!

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Good morning, my CD stuck and I am STS today and under my window. I kind of just had a snack for dinner just cause I didnt have a lot of time to eat.

Shelby~ Your trip sounds amaze balls. I'm so glad you had a good time. I wish I coud go down there but the AZ side is a lil shady right now as far as bad activity and its not as prety as where u went.

Ok so all of the sudden an old bf and an aquaintance have popped up out of nowhere, and theyre both way younger than me and terribly attractive.... I think October is going to be a super good month for me lol Maybe this is what I needed to stay at liw? hardy har. One is like a puppy dog with clean cut dark brown hair and carmel colored eyes... omg I'm so in trouble.

Congrats on STS and that CD loss sticking! LIke Julie said, guard your heart and you'll be ok. It's kind of nice to get all that attention though, especially from good looking younger guys!

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Lara! Enjoy the attention!! Guard your heart, but have fun!! And on sticking the loss!! WTG!!

Dawn-ah, the fickle scale! I hope it was nice today . You're getting there!

I'm at 143.8 today, which is LDW+0.6. I didn't eat all that much yesterday, just to hunger (I think). 1387 cals. I am still not always sure if I'm hungry or I just want to eat. Coming out of P2 I know I "can't" eat, so I really need to pause and think it through. Would something to drink suffice? Usually. That's been my P2 strategy and I'm using it in P4.

The real concern I have at keeping cals on the lower side, is, once I up them more (travel, party, restaurant meal) what happens then? Is the plan/hope that if you spend enough days at lower cals at this weight, it'll stay there even on those occasional Up days? (for lack of a better term?). Or, is the HS plan to never have an UD? Still working through all of this, obviously . But, in the meantime, I'm staying in control and paying attention to what, why, how much and when I'm eating. There is definitely still the urge to comfort eat in stressful or upsetting situations. I need to pay attention to, and in control of, those situations.

K, that's my update for today . Carry on .

Julie you are doing GREAT! So happy for you. .6 over LDW is good! I can't answer your question re the UP days since I don't know much about the HS.

I'm up 1.6 over LDW today. so I'm up .6 from yesterday. Not sure why b'/c I thought I was pretty good yesterday. Not perfect but good. I did give into a cookie or two last night but overall I was low carb so I don't know what it is. I AM getting sick and have a terrible sore throat this morning (Must have caught what my LO has) so maybe that's causing some water retention or something?

Not great that I'm sick or that I'm up since I have a LOT of social activities planned for this weekend. Tonight we are going to a concert with our friends and out to dinner. I will make smart choices at dinner but will probably have some wine. Tomorrow we have a birthday party. I can behave there... no need to drink and hopefully the food won't be tempting and there will be choices, but I'll eat ahead of time. Then on Sunday we are having lunch with an old friend of my husbands who is in town on vacation. Likely going to be some drinks there, but I"ll just have one if any I guess.

I just hope being sick doesn't mean I can't do any of that stuff. My throat is on fire!

[buttah]

Also, the HS and UD's are from two different philosophies. But to reiterate, Dr. Johnson NEVER says to eat up to a certain amount of calories or stuff yourself on UD's. He's been asked multiple times about the "normal" calorie number on the calculator, and it is merely a maximum/guideline. By no means a number you HAVE to eat to. Tons of people on the JUDDD forum misinterpret this, no matter how many times his exact words are pointed out to them. (He says it is the DD number on the calculator that matters.) My guess is they never picked up the book.