P3~P4 SIMEONS PROTOCOL SEPTEMBER 2012

[HappyChick]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

My girlfriend said that he probably isn't an axe murderer but that it's quite likely that he dabbles in mild cannibalism... I'm seeing him tonight. And tomorrow.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by HappyChick

Holy Moly- I forgot all about the re-shaping aspect to P3..until this morning! I woke up and I swear my butt is an inch higher. Seriously, giggling! My LDW is solid is as a rock- haven't budged up or down- all on 1500/1600 cals. I have been eating a piece of dark chocolate here and there, too (I know, no sugar..blah!) and am happy that it hasn't sent me upward.

Maybe P3 isn't so bad after-all. =)

Still, I just ordered supplies for R2- I hope there will be some peeps around that will be starting P2 when I am.. it's always so good to have an hhCG buddy or two! I'm thinking I'll start R2 on the 22nd or 24th of this month- depending on whether I load or not. hmm, I guess that begs the question.. should I load?? It will be a little more than 3 weeks since LD. Protocol dictates a reload if you're more than 14 days.. is that right? What would YOU do??

Awesome job on stabilization and a big fat WHOOHOO on the P3-butt lift! If I were you, I would load at least one day. If you keep it high fat and relatively low carb, you shouldn't do too much damage. You are on hhcg, yes? Personally, if I were on rx, I wouldn't skip P4, but that's just me!

Well, I am up about a half pound to where I was Tuesday morning but I always tend to be up a little on Fridays from my yoga class Thursday night. The usual muscle soreness is going on right now so I am hoping for a bit of a drop tomorrow morning. I seem to be stabilizing right between 143 and 144 which is just fine. See earlier comment about extremely weird and ABNORMAL fat loss at the end of the last round!

The big party for my cousin is happening tomorrow so I've got a P3 friendly (shhhhhh!) cake to bake this evening or tomorrow morning. The rest will be BBQ brats, chicken, and burgers, veggies and dip, roasted veggies, and various chips etc. The only real carb will be the chips and I'm not too worried about them as I deliberately did not get the kinds that I can't resist. Should be a good P3 day!

The new dude is coming to the party too which I find to be pretty darn brave for someone who just met me. I am also seeing him tonight and I've got kind sized butterflies--more like pterodactyls--in my stomach. I'm feeling a little "adrenally challenged" at the moment! I do NOT need to get my heart broken--AGAIN!

[Bitsky]

The new dude is coming to the party too which I find to be pretty darn brave for someone who just met me. I am also seeing him tonight and I've got kind sized butterflies--more like pterodactyls--in my stomach. I'm feeling a little "adrenally challenged" at the moment! I do NOT need to get my heart broken--AGAIN![/QUOTE]

You think like me, instead of welcoming those huge butterflies and enjoying the effervescent feeling of a new attraction I worry about falling for this person and then getting hurt. I've learned that worrying instead of taking in the pleasure only leads to more wrinkles. lol Try to enjoy yourself, if you ARE like me you're also likely to worry about saying or doing something out of character purely because you're trying to be cool just be yourself and take time out to breath deep through the night...it does help gain/keep composure!
Have a great time

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Bitsky

You think like me, instead of welcoming those huge butterflies and enjoying the effervescent feeling of a new attraction I worry about falling for this person and then getting hurt. YES I've learned that worrying instead of taking in the pleasure only leads to more wrinkles. lol YOU ARE COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY RIGHT! Try to enjoy yourself, I WILL FOR SURE! if you ARE like me you're also likely to worry about saying or doing something out of character purely because you're trying to be cool OH YES, 1000x OVER! just be yourself and take time out to breath deep through the night...it does help gain/keep composure! I KNOW THIS IN MY HEAD--NOW JUST GOTTA REMEMBER to DO IT!
Have a great time

[moonriver]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

My girlfriend said that he probably isn't an axe murderer but that it's quite likely that he dabbles in mild cannibalism... I'm seeing him tonight. And tomorrow.

Hope you are having a fantastic time right this minute with him!

Originally Posted by HappyChick

Holy Moly- I forgot all about the re-shaping aspect to P3..until this morning! I woke up and I swear my butt is an inch higher. Seriously, giggling! My LDW is solid is as a rock- haven't budged up or down- all on 1500/1600 cals. I have been eating a piece of dark chocolate here and there, too (I know, no sugar..blah!) and am happy that it hasn't sent me upward.

Maybe P3 isn't so bad after-all. =)

Still, I just ordered supplies for R2- I hope there will be some peeps around that will be starting P2 when I am.. it's always so good to have an hhCG buddy or two! I'm thinking I'll start R2 on the 22nd or 24th of this month- depending on whether I load or not. hmm, I guess that begs the question.. should I load?? It will be a little more than 3 weeks since LD. Protocol dictates a reload if you're more than 14 days.. is that right? What would YOU do??

I would reload.

[temekayoung]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Yes, you can use both. I found them to work equally well and used both in my third round with no issues (drops morning and night, pellets midday).

Thanks shelbyla. Its more convenient take the pellets at work. Im so excited for you and your dates . Have lots of fun.

[temekayoung]

[QUOTE=moonriver;15942602]How much longer do you have to go?

Hey moonriver, i have two days left to lose 3 lbs
I hope my hcg gets here on Mon., if not i will have more time

[temekayoung]

Im down .8 lb this morning weighing in at 253. Hope my drops get here Monday. Today my job announced everyone with direct deposit wll not get paid until Monday. I was so stressed i really wanted to eat a bag of candy i didnt want my hcg drops to cause an overdraft. By some miracle i checked my bank account and had $172 i completely forgot i had. Iys been there for TWO WEEKS. I used money out of my savings bcuz i thought i was broke...LOL

[dbunny]

Gah! I don't know what is wrong with me ... stupid carbs! I heading full on into a tailspin. Hope everyone else is fighting the good fight.. I just got knocked to the ground. Time for a clean up round.. again!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by dbunny

Gah! I don't know what is wrong with me ... stupid carbs! I heading full on into a tailspin. Hope everyone else is fighting the good fight.. I just got knocked to the ground. Time for a clean up round.. again!

Sweetie Hope things start looking up soon. I have BTDT and on my umpteenth "clean up round". I hate having to re-lose weight, but at least I am not giving up!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by moonriver

Hope you are having a fantastic time right this minute with him!

I would reload.

If she doesn't check in we will know what happened to her

[moonriver]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

If she doesn't check in we will know what happened to her

Indeed we will

[moonriver]

So I ate Mexican for lunch yesterday and then no dinner cause I was stuffed and miraculously am in my window today. So I plan on being good and no junk today. I hope I can do that.....cause Hubby is junking out and tempting me....

[temekayoung]

I ate house fried rice yesterday so im up 1.4 today. I never go to work without my meals prepared but i forgot yesterday. Oh well..im still under my LDW by 3 lbs. Hopefully i can lose 1.4 by the time my drops come, they just shipped them on Friday.

[cocoapeanut]

Hey y'all - today was the last day of my PI so I'll be starting back up in P2 tomorrow. I'll be lurking though!! I had a pretty solid 2-day refeed, so hopefully I'm ready for the challenge! I'm also thinking about not weighing myself. We'll see. Best of luck maintaining!!

[moonriver]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Hey y'all - today was the last day of my PI so I'll be starting back up in P2 tomorrow. I'll be lurking though!! I had a pretty solid 2-day refeed, so hopefully I'm ready for the challenge! I'm also thinking about not weighing myself. We'll see. Best of luck maintaining!!

Good luck to you!

I'm doing a CD day today. Popped out of my window, sure it's water from working outside in the heat and not drinking enough, but a CD can't hurt!!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

If she doesn't check in we will know what happened to her

Originally Posted by moonriver

Indeed we will

...not dead just still

I actually just asked him if he was an axe murderer. He said it was more like "hacksaw murderer". Kind of a niche market...

[Bitsky]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

...not dead just still

I actually just asked him if he was an axe murderer. He said it was more like "hacksaw murderer". Kind of a niche market...

bow-chika-bow-wow

[julieboolie]

Just popping in to say SHELBY-have fun!!!! You can guard your heart or jump in with both feet and enjoy the ride!!!! So excited for you!! Sounds like a sharp and quick wit - which I LOVE!! embarrassed to admit I'm living vicariously through you!!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Bitsky

bow-chika-bow-wow

I WISH! Not quite there yet but working on it...

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Just popping in to say SHELBY-have fun!!!! You can guard your heart or jump in with both feet and enjoy the ride!!!! So excited for you!! Sounds like a sharp and quick wit - which I LOVE!! embarrassed to admit I'm living vicariously through you!!

Sharp wit indeed! Cute, funny, smart......in trouble, I am! (as Yoda would say! ) Feel free to live vicariously anytime! It's stressful and kind of terrifying so not really sure why you'd want to but...

Anyway, update from me... So I had an amazing time with him Friday night. He asked me what I wanted to eat and after going back and forth a few times, we decided on BBQ. I had a brisket that seemed kind of sugary and some southern greens. Also, 1 glass of red wine. I was a little worried that I would wake up to gain Saturday but as usual, had my "weekend whoosh" (-1.8) putting me back in my window by a hair at 142.

Saturday was my cousin's party. I ate well (brat, burger, roasted veggies) but drank too much which always messes with my blood sugar the following day--which, in turn makes me want to nibble. I made an almond torte with a raspberry filling and meringue buttercream frosting. The buttercream was the star (OMG!!!!!) but I am going to need to work on the cake a bit. It came out a little dry so I think less almond flour, less time in the oven, a slightly different cake, something. The BBQ and sides came out amazing. The clown was appropriately creepy. Everyone--family and friends--gave the new dude the thumbs up.

Yesterday was not a great day for eating. After cleaning up, post-party, it was just kind of a grazing day. More grilled brats and burgers and chicken legs for breakfast. Cashews, nut/fruit mix, and apple slices for snacking. Chicken wings for dinner. Lots and LOTS of leftover cake! Didn't weigh yesterday OR today and am finishing the chicken legs today as a "grilled chicken leg cd" since I woke up feeling puffy from eating poorly yesterday. I'll probably give it a few days then weigh again.

Hope everyone is well.

Dbunny - hugs for you! I can appreciate the struggle! What can we do to help?

[Bitsky]

ok, here's a question. I have some drops left, not 30 days worth but I'm also not looking to unload tons of lbs. Can a person just go on the drops for a week or 2 and then start an early P3? I'm guessing it takes the full 30 days for everything to work properly but I thought I'd ask. I don't want to do another full round and I have just under 1/2 bottle of drops left so I was hoping I could use it just going with a much shorter P2. If this info is in P&I, my apologies as I haven't read it fully yet.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Bitsky

ok, here's a question. I have some drops left, not 30 days worth but I'm also not looking to unload tons of lbs. Can a person just go on the drops for a week or 2 and then start an early P3? I'm guessing it takes the full 30 days for everything to work properly but I thought I'd ask. I don't want to do another full round and I have just under 1/2 bottle of drops left so I was hoping I could use it just going with a much shorter P2. If this info is in P&I, my apologies as I haven't read it fully yet.

Dr Simeons does not suggest doing a round shorter than 21 days. That is to include 2 loading days, so you would need to have enough hhcg for 23 days total. I don't know how big your bottle is, so cannot say how long the drops would last. I don't ever advocate doing a round shorter than this, because Dr Simeon's doesn't advise it----no matter how little you have to lose.

[moonriver]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

...not dead just still

I actually just asked him if he was an axe murderer. He said it was more like "hacksaw murderer". Kind of a niche market...

Sounds like he has a great sense of humor

[KelliC]

Hi everyone, I've lurked some but not posted - as I've been pretty steady weight wise since completing P3, May a year ago. However, I've got a question for you guys. I forgot my scale on vacation and came home weighing 3 lbs over ldw-- but I also started tom 2 days later. Did a CD and came down to being just 1 over ldw then down to .5 over ldw. Then I got some stomach bug and was throwing up all night-- the next day I was 2lb below ldw and then the next day rebounded up to 2.5 lb over again -- I'm drinking water, but maybe not enough to combat all that throwing up(this also may be ovulation time) Should I do a CD or just try to eat clean and see what happens ? Thanks in advance

[temekayoung]

Good Morning!! My drops came yesterday.. im soo excited!! I went a little crazy yesterday and im up 3 lbs but still down 1 lb from LDW. I think im going to do a steak day today and get back to my 253. Then start loading tomorrow, im hoping my two day load will only get me back to my LDW 257...(fingers crossed).I ordered two 60-80 day hhcg bottles from Intermountain so i should be good for another forty day round. I really want to finish the whole bottle and then take 3 months off for P3 but we'll see what happens. I really think i might start back using weights while doing P2 to help with loose skin,whadda u think?? Will it help????

Shelby you having soo much fun!!Im happy for you, continue having a great time.

Anyway i will be posting in P2 after tomorrow so good luck everyone!!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by KelliC

Hi everyone, I've lurked some but not posted - as I've been pretty steady weight wise since completing P3, May a year ago. However, I've got a question for you guys. I forgot my scale on vacation and came home weighing 3 lbs over ldw-- but I also started tom 2 days later. Did a CD and came down to being just 1 over ldw then down to .5 over ldw. Then I got some stomach bug and was throwing up all night-- the next day I was 2lb below ldw and then the next day rebounded up to 2.5 lb over again -- I'm drinking water, but maybe not enough to combat all that throwing up(this also may be ovulation time) Should I do a CD or just try to eat clean and see what happens ? Thanks in advance

Honestly, I would just eat clean. You are dehydrated, sick and ovulating, you've got enough going on. If you were more over LDW or hadn't seen wild fluctuations the last few days, I might say differently but I think you probably just need to rest and recoup.

[shelbyla]

Well, got on the scale this morning after a good cd yesterday--6 chicken drumsticks. I am still up 2.5 from where I was Saturday morning and almost 3 outside my window so heaven only knows what the scale said yesterday! I am going to relax and work my way back down the rest of the week. I am just trying to maintain between 140 and 145 and so far so good! No new boy news...just enjoying it!

[KelliC]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Honestly, I would just eat clean. You are dehydrated, sick and ovulating, you've got enough going on. If you were more over LDW or hadn't seen wild fluctuations the last few days, I might say differently but I think you probably just need to rest and recoup.

That's what I was leaning towards, thanks for the encouragement I'm also trying a new herbal tea that is helping with incredibly long and heavy tom so that my be making the hormones a bit different than usual. I'm glad that Even a year and a half after maintenance I can still pop in and you guys are so uplifting
So glad you are having some funShelby! It sounds very exciting!!

[Reddy]

Hi All,

Stopping in to say I'll be joining you all and Starting P3 on Friday! After a rocky P2, I'm ready to enjoy P3 and maintain where I'm at.

Haven't had a chance to read through all the posts here yet but I will. But Shelby, I love that you met someone and are having a good time with him. Sounds like someone special!!!

Ok that's all from me for now. Have a great day all and see you Friday!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by KelliC

That's what I was leaning towards, thanks for the encouragement I'm also trying a new herbal tea that is helping with incredibly long and heavy tom so that my be making the hormones a bit different than usual. I'm glad that Even a year and a half after maintenance I can still pop in and you guys are so uplifting
So glad you are having some funShelby! It sounds very exciting!!

I think you are wise to just chill for a little while and let your body heal. I also have a gf who also does hhCG (but only lurks here) who takes a lot of herbs for female related stuff and they ALWAYS make her gain. And quite significantly, too. It will come off! Good to see you again, Kelli! Stop on in any old time!

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And yes, I am having fun. He's a fun guy. And a smart guy. And a funny guy. And a sexy guy. Erm...still in trouble over here... We have a date tonight so THAT should be interesting...

So here's something I want to throw out there for pondering to the group. In the past two weeks, I've had a few not great food days--last weekend wine tasting and eating more than I should. This weekend, a party which always sends me into a nibble day the day following. A couple of things I have noticed.

First, whenever I drink more than a glass of wine or two, my blood sugar is all kinds of messed up the next day which seriously causes me to over eat things that I shouldn't. It's not that I'm hungry. It's that this or that sounds good, and it's especially dangerous when I have nibble-y things around the house. This Sunday after Saturday's party, I ate brats, burgers, cashews, dried fruit and nut mix, chicken wings, and lots and lots of leftover (low carb) cake. None of it was "illegal" for P3 (except maybe some of the nuts--questionable) but there was a LOT of it. I'm am trying to think of some way to dodge this kind of behavior. It's a completely physical urge, not mental, so I'm wondering if detox tea first thing in the morning or extra glutamine or chromium (both blood sugar regulators) would help. Any thoughts from you guys on this? It's not a hangover cure exactly, more like a "munchies" cure...

Second, whenever I misbehave like this, I usually don't weigh the next day but do a cd, instead. I know I'm up and the number on the scale isn't going to help my mood any! Usually the cd's are chicken of some sort although I HAVE done traditional steak, GY, and egg with varying degrees of success. When I weigh the day FOLLOWING the cd, I am usually still out of my window (probably because I put on 5 pounds with an over-indulgence day!) and still feel majorly puffy and gross. The day after the cd, I eat a clean P3 day and during the day, I find myself literally shrinking. My rings get looser, my face gets less puffy, and I pee like crazy. I am usually even more thirsty than normal (I normally drink 7-8 liters of water daily--yesterday was more like 10) and heavily salt things, again more than normal.

Usually the day after the cd, I am really really hungry. I have my usual salad for lunch with fatty meat, avocado and real dressing then I will make a normal dinner, heavy on the fat. Last night it was baked catfish and veggies with LOTS of butter--like 3T. I was still "hungry" afterwards (or not really satisfied) so I made a strawberry mousse with a CUP of heavy cream. THEN I had a square of 85% dark chocolate. THEN I was satisfied. Not overly full but "done." So all in all, I probably ate close to 3000 calories yesterday, I'm thinking in the neighborhood of 75-80% fat calories. And this morning, either due to the second day effect of the cd or the extremely heavy fat day yesterday, I was down almost two pounds. The EXACT same thing happened last week so I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

Just wondering if following up a cd (which are usually lowish calorie, high-fat, high protein, low carb) with a very high-fat day is a good way to approach locking in weight loss from the cd and dumping any extra water that's hanging around...

Anyway, sorry for the book!

Have a great day everyone!