P2 SIMEONS PROTOCOL WEEK OF AUGUST 27TH

[shelbyla]

Hi Vanna and welcome back! Good luck on R3!

Eddie - (I refuse to call you "Fat Eddie"! ) Thanks! I try to be helpful!

Cocoa - any...er...updates???

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Morning everyone else! The scale was kind to me this morning. Dropped another 1.1 so into 142 and rollin' down. 4 more days on the diet to lose 2.8. Can I do it??? I think I may be leaning toward the traditional transition, upping calories a little with protein, day by day, until P3 starts, then just being super careful on entry. I think I'll start with cream in my coffee (or maybe bulletproof coffee???), eggs for bfast, avocado and real dressing on my salad, and the same P2 proteins and veggies for a few days, if I can. Unfortunately, I'll be traveling my first P3 weekend (charity event that I planned months ago) so I may have to branch out to broccoli and/or cauliflower but I am vowing to stay away from nuts and lots of cheese my first week! And damnit, I WILL correct if I go over the two pound ceiling, even if it's in the first week! In fact, I may just plan a cd for the Monday after my weekend away...

Happy day!

[cocoapeanut]

Shelby -- Hahahaha. None yet. Drank a double dose of tea this morning and will have another double dose in the afternoon. I'll keep you posted? Nice drop, btw!

Vanna -- Welcome back!! I hope you have a great round!

Eddie -- I hope so too, lol! You're doing great and we're all glad to have you around

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Morning all! Glad to see everyone is doing pretty okay

I'm still hoping to be like 158ish a week from today. I was 163.6 this morning, but still need things to move along! A few people want to go out to a business lunch next Thursday, which would be a transition day for me, and I'm not sure what to do. I could obviously start my interruption that day instead of Saturday and push it back, but I really don't want to!! But at the same time, these people want to have lunch with me and a few coworkers before they change locations and move to a different part of the city. I could go and not eat, but that's weird. Bringing my own food is weird. Sigh

I'm a little sleepy, so hoping this coffee wakes me up! Have a great day everyone

[manders]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

I do feel a little bloated and my intestines get gurgly sometimes. Mostly I just feel kinda heavy, ya know?

Don't be so hard on yourself. Everyone has that time where the willpower isn't the best. The only thing you can really do is have a good think about why you sabotaged yourself and what your priorities truly are right now. If you come to a conclusion about it, you might find that much more peace and resolve. The real key I think is to understand your weaknesses and become good at heading them off before they mess with you. And always try to treat yourself with respect!

Weight loss is easy sometimes and really freaking hard at other times because life is always changing, and we are always changing! Sometimes the diet works out great and other times, not so much, yeah? No one is perfect..I don't think we'd all be in this forum if we were.

If your head is in the game, great, because it takes determination to do this diet right! If not, do your best to get through a minimum round without cheating, and then take a mental break and recharge for a while. Needing a break doesn't make you pathetic -- it makes you normal. Your body may need a break too! The only people that enjoy permanent restriction are the weird super control freak types anyways, lol! It's like it turns them on or something..no judgment, I'll just be over here eating a cupcake

Mmmm I shouldn't talk cupcake on P2. I'm already cheating in my dreams as it is!

Anyway, it's a learning process, and we are all doing the best we can in whatever life situations we happen to be in. When I was finishing my first round at my old clinic in IL, there was a patient that had just come back to attempt her fourth round, having completely failed her first three. And the clinic is NOT cheap!! It goes to show how breaking old habits and forming new ones can be so surprisingly difficult. So don't feel pathetic - you're embarking on a challenge! Count the little victories, like making it through the work day without eating any of the goodies in the kitchen (my daily victory, haha). Enjoy feeling lighter and sexier! Achieve goals because you can! You won't be in the 180's for forever

You are theeeee best! Waking up to read that was so helpful, thank you so much for your continued support. I appreciate it more than words can say

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Hi Vanna and welcome back! Good luck on R3!

Eddie - (I refuse to call you "Fat Eddie"! ) Thanks! I try to be helpful!

Cocoa - any...er...updates???

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Morning everyone else! The scale was kind to me this morning. Dropped another 1.1 so into 142 and rollin' down. 4 more days on the diet to lose 2.8. Can I do it??? I think I may be leaning toward the traditional transition, upping calories a little with protein, day by day, until P3 starts, then just being super careful on entry. I think I'll start with cream in my coffee (or maybe bulletproof coffee???), eggs for bfast, avocado and real dressing on my salad, and the same P2 proteins and veggies for a few days, if I can. Unfortunately, I'll be traveling my first P3 weekend (charity event that I planned months ago) so I may have to branch out to broccoli and/or cauliflower but I am vowing to stay away from nuts and lots of cheese my first week! And damnit, I WILL correct if I go over the two pound ceiling, even if it's in the first week! In fact, I may just plan a cd for the Monday after my weekend away...

Happy day!

That's awesome, congrats!

The idea of that bulletproof coffee kinda freaks me out lol seems so weird... have you tried it before?

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Well, leave it to my bad luck to eat something bad and get sick. I had some shrimp and knew immediately that something was wrong. I ended up being sick all flippin night. I'm up almost a pound this morning to about 181.5. I just want to curl up in a ball in the corner and cry

I'm slumming it on the couch today, contemplating calling it a round. It's been 14 days. Is that too little? Gah. I'll just sit here and watch the price is right and wallow in self pity.

I'm trying to remind myself that it's NOT the end of the world, and that weight can always be gained, and it can always be lost. I'm still below my weight before I loaded. I'm choosing to keep a positive outlook this time.

[Berta48]

Still in my LDW window this morning.I am 2lbs above LDW but still in my window I have not changed it on my ticker since I am in my window. Still no CD this Ph3. SO happy about that. I have eaten some non protocol food and still stayed in it. YEAH!

Originally Posted by vanna1970

Hi all!

Glad to see everyone is doing so well! Seeing all of your numbers going down is very encouraging!

I am starting Round 3 on Sunday, so I'm trying to get back into P2 mode. It helps to stay active on this board and read all of your posts. I'm excited to get back to losing weight. I enjoy being able to work on my running when I'm not on P2, but there's nothing more exciting than losing the weight. And I don't lose weight with running. But it is fun. )

VANNA
Been wondering what happened to you girl!!
Glad to see you back. I will be here in PH2 Monday (MAYBE) thinking of waiting till Tues since Mon is a holiday and we don't know what our plans are yet. So glad to see your pretty face back here

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Gooooood afternoon peeps! Well the scale was kind this morning...down almost a pound into 143 by a hair. Looking for that elusive 140 by the end of the week. 7 vlcds left to get there but being OCD, I'd sure like it to be my LDW... That's almost 4 pounds in 5 days so I'm kinda doubting it but I am sure I can get there by the 7th day. Still pondering the transition to P3. I think the final two contenders are a gradual transition, increasing 250 calories a day, I think mostly in protein (750/1000/1250), starting on the days with no injections, and adding eggs, meats and fats at the start of P3. NO nuts, NO cheese, just plenty of good fats. Basically a traditional transition mixed with a little Biz-business. The other is the fat fast. And yes...still pondering!

Cocoa, my friend, what CAN we do to get Bernice to visit? How much mag are you taking? This just sucks badly! I would be totally wigged. You are handling it MUCH better than I!

Angie and Happychick - good luck in P3! You guys will rock it!

Dawn - as the masochist that I am, I ALSO opened that recipe. It's going on the list! Hopefully, I'll never need loading food again but... Have you made them? Does the center get really firm? Just trying to imagine!

Susan - Welcome! Post every day. It REALLY helps keep you on track!

Manders - how ya doin' today, girlie?

Berta - welcome back to P2! I know you are totally itching to get started...good luck to you on your next round! I wanted to post something from P&I about immunity, particularly with the rx. I read on the P3 thread that you were going to go back to back with your rounds, and you might want to re-read this. Obviously it's your choice (as you said), but we just want the best stabilization for you that you can get! Also, can't have you hungry, now can we? Note that Dr. S talks about 40 doses being the maximum, and does NOT say that skipping doses or taking PIs makes it ok to take more or somehow prevents it. Just want to make sureyou have all the facts, darlin', before you waste time and hCG!

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Immunity to HCG
The reason for limiting a course to 40 doses is that by then some patients may begin to show signs of HCG immunity. Though this phenomenon is well known, we cannot as yet define the underlying mechanism. Maybe after a certain length of time the body learns to break down and eliminate HCG very rapidly, or possibly prolonged treatment leads to some sort of counter-regulation which annuls the diencephalic effect.
After 40 daily doses it takes about six weeks before this so-called immunity is lost and HCG again becomes fully effective. Usually after about 40 doses patients may feel the onset of immunity as hunger which was previously absent. In those comparatively rare cases in which signs of immunity develop before the full course of 40 doses has been completed - say at the 35th dose - treatment must be stopped at once, because if it is continued the patients begin to look weary and drawn, feel weak and hungry and any further loss of weight achieved is then always at the expense of normal fat. This is not only undesirable, but normal fat is also instantly regained as soon as the patient is returned to a free diet.
Patients who need only 23 doses may be injected daily, including Sundays, as they never develop immunity. In those that take 40 doses the onset of immunity can be delayed if they are given only six doses a week, leaving out Sundays or any other day they choose, provided that it is always the same day. On the days on which they do not receive the doses they usually feel a slight sensation of hunger.

Further Courses
Patients requiring the loss of more than 34 lbs. must have a second or even more courses. A second course can be started after an interval of not less than six weeks, though the pause can be more than six weeks. When a third, fourth or even fifth course is necessary, the interval between courses should be made progressively longer. Between a second and third course eight weeks should elapse, between a third and fourth course twelve weeks, between a fourth and fifth course twenty weeks and between a fifth and sixth course six months. In this way it is possible to bring about a weight reduction of 100 lbs. and more if required without the least hardship to the patient.

I have the pounds and inches book I know how it says to do it.But I choose not to do PH4 until I get more of this weight off.I do an interuption during PH2 and that keeps you from getting immunity. Also I don't go for 40 days. I did this time as I did a 2 week interuption. But I normally do like 30 days on Ph2 if I can take it that long. Yes it will take me longer to get it off but... it helps me continue on instead of throwing in the towel!

I am old enough to be all of you guys and ladies mother on here and I am not wanting to be a skinny mini.I just want to look like a normal person! Also since switching to RX HCG I have not had any hunger except for perhaps the first day or two.I still even now after nearly five weeks I do not get hungry!It is amazing stuff!!!

But thanks for looking out for me.

[Dedee62]

Update: VLCD 3 = 3 lbs. lost. Worried I'm going to have to quit due to my thyroid meds. Still experimenting with dosing/timing. I will give it another couple days before I decide what to do. Hate to not be able to do the protocol. It worked so well for me 3 yrs. ago.

Oh, and a shout out to Dawn!! You're the only familiar name I see on here from my past protocol days.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by manders

TUESDAY??!?!?! OMG! Are you going to explode? lol Do you even feel bloated at all?

I'm really stuck in the 180's. It's been brutal. It's mostly my own POOR will power. I feel so totally pathetic.

Then that makes me pathetic too. I just gave up I will try once again next week. I have had so much stress that I cannot stick with it. I was doing so nicely too then vacation came along and messed it up! I think you need some of these...... And here is to starting over Me, my restart will be on Monday. VLCD #1 for me then.

[manders]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Then that makes me pathetic too. I just gave up I will try once again next week. I have had so much stress that I cannot stick with it. I was doing so nicely too then vacation came along and messed it up! I think you need some of these...... And here is to starting over Me, my restart will be on Monday. VLCD #1 for me then.

I think I will start over too. Tomorrow is a clean slate without any mistakes, right? Always a new chance to do well.

[Fat Eddie]

Well from what I'm reading on all these threads this P2 board will get mighty busy next week. Gotta love those big holiday weekend loading frenzies. keep on truckin'

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Fat Eddie

Well from what I'm reading on all these threads this P2 board will get mighty busy next week. Gotta love those big holiday weekend loading frenzies. keep on truckin'

You betcha I cannot wait

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by manders

I think I will start over too. Tomorrow is a clean slate without any mistakes, right? Always a new chance to do well.

Yup We are only human.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by manders

The idea of that bulletproof coffee kinda freaks me out lol seems so weird... have you tried it before?

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Well, leave it to my bad luck to eat something bad and get sick. I had some shrimp and knew immediately that something was wrong. I ended up being sick all flippin night. I'm up almost a pound this morning to about 181.5. I just want to curl up in a ball in the corner and cry

I'm slumming it on the couch today, contemplating calling it a round. It's been 14 days. Is that too little?

I haven't tried bulletproof coffee but I HAVE drunk coffee with coconut oil in it. I like butter WAY better than coconut oil so I figured I would give it a try.

Sorry you ate something bad! You know that if you have diarrhea that it will make your weight go UP usually, right? It's probably from that! Hang in there kid!

And, yes, 14 days is too little!

Originally Posted by Berta48

I have the pounds and inches book I know how it says to do it.But I choose not to do PH4 until I get more of this weight off.I do an interuption during PH2 and that keeps you from getting immunity. Also I don't go for 40 days.

But thanks for looking out for me.

Berta - of COURSE it is totally your choice (and I am NOT telling you how to do your round in any way, shape or form! ) but would you mind telling me where you have heard that doing an interruption or not going the 40 days helps with immunity? I'm just really curious whether this is coming from a reputable source. If it is, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. I'd just really like to know. Thank you very much in advance!

[manders]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I haven't tried bulletproof coffee but I HAVE drunk coffee with coconut oil in it. I like butter WAY better than coconut oil so I figured I would give it a try.

Sorry you ate something bad! You know that if you have diarrhea that it will make your weight go UP usually, right? It's probably from that! Hang in there kid!

And, yes, 14 days is too little!

I didn't know that, but it explains a lot. I'm heading back to bed now.

[vanna1970]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Still in my LDW window this morning.I am 2lbs above LDW but still in my window I have not changed it on my ticker since I am in my window. Still no CD this Ph3. SO happy about that. I have eaten some non protocol food and still stayed in it. YEAH!



VANNA
Been wondering what happened to you girl!!
Glad to see you back. I will be here in PH2 Monday (MAYBE) thinking of waiting till Tues since Mon is a holiday and we don't know what our plans are yet. So glad to see your pretty face back here

Thanks Berta! Great to see you too! I am doing my loading days on Sunday and Monday so I don't have to be on the low cal diet for the holiday. Should be fun!

Congrats on staying in your window!! Great job!

[manders]

Well, my attempts at resting were futile. All of the neighbours 4000 children were outside banging and screaming. I asked them to please be quiet twice. Third attempt was worded much harsher but did nothing so I just left and went to get a green tea. Feel a tiny bit better. I think my electrolytes were all out of balance.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I haven't tried bulletproof coffee but I HAVE drunk coffee with coconut oil in it. I like butter WAY better than coconut oil so I figured I would give it a try.

Sorry you ate something bad! You know that if you have diarrhea that it will make your weight go UP usually, right? It's probably from that! Hang in there kid!

And, yes, 14 days is too little!



Berta - of COURSE it is totally your choice (and I am NOT telling you how to do your round in any way, shape or form! ) but would you mind telling me where you have heard that doing an interruption or not going the 40 days helps with immunity? I'm just really curious whether this is coming from a reputable source. If it is, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. I'd just really like to know. Thank you very much in advance!

Shelby
I read it n P&I. pg 41&42

After 40 days it takes about six weeks before this so-called immunity is lost and HCG becomes effective again.
The onset of immunity can be delayed if they are given only 6 injections(doses) a week leaving out Sundays or any other day they choose,provided that it is always the same day.

So I have been doing an interuption on my rounds but it has been a week or more.Meaning I have skipped more than one dose a week.

You may not agree, but that is ok.This is what I am going to do.It has worked for me so far. I have 30lbs off since April and have stayed the same weight for nearly six weeks. So I am very happy with that for myself!

[manders]

Berta, you've done SO well. You're such an inspiration!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by manders

Berta, you've done SO well. You're such an inspiration!

Thank you Sweetie
What was this I read you are getting married? Congratulations.
SO is he moving to you or you going there or do I have you mixed up with someone else on here

[manders]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Thank you Sweetie
What was this I read you are getting married? Congratulations.
SO is he moving to you or you going there or do I have you mixed up with someone else on here

Oh, he hasn't proposed yet.

LOL

Last time he was here, we visited Tiffany and I pointed out the ring I want. It's kind of exciting that he could propose on any visit now.

He will move here, because there is A LOT more opportunity here than there is around Detroit. We just have to go through a lot of immigration stuff, so he probably won't officially move here until the end of 2013. But that's okay. I can wait another year if it means I get him for the next 60.

Anyways, I just spent a while researching the fat fasts, and I'm definitely going to do one starting tomorrow. I think my poor body is starved after being (almost) on a constant diet for so long now. Going to head out to the grocery store tonight with my list in hand and then I will wake up tomorrow with a new vigour!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by manders

Oh, he hasn't proposed yet.

LOL

Last time he was here, we visited Tiffany and I pointed out the ring I want. It's kind of exciting that he could propose on any visit now.

He will move here, because there is A LOT more opportunity here than there is around Detroit. We just have to go through a lot of immigration stuff, so he probably won't officially move here until the end of 2013. But that's okay. I can wait another year if it means I get him for the next 60.

Anyways, I just spent a while researching the fat fasts, and I'm definitely going to do one starting tomorrow. I think my poor body is starved after being (almost) on a constant diet for so long now. Going to head out to the grocery store tonight with my list in hand and then I will wake up tomorrow with a new vigour!

You go girl.I am so happy for you.I really hope it all works out for you as I know how much you love this guy.Does he know how blessed he is to have you?

Avacados are a good fat and macadamia nuts too. You have came to far to turn back now.YOU CAN DO THIS MANDERS!!!!

[manders]

Originally Posted by Berta48

You go girl.I am so happy for you.I really hope it all works out for you as I know how much you love this guy.Does he know how blessed he is to have you?

Avacados are a good fat and macadamia nuts too. You have came to far to turn back now.YOU CAN DO THIS MANDERS!!!!

I think he realizes, but he's definitely not the kind to be openly emotional. Actually, when I saw him a couple weeks ago was the first time I've ever seen him get teary-eyed.

For some reason, the market I went to had no macadamia nuts. I will go looking for them this weekend. Thanks for the encouragement! I am SUPER excited to wake up tomorrow and start this new chapter.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by manders

I think he realizes, but he's definitely not the kind to be openly emotional. Actually, when I saw him a couple weeks ago was the first time I've ever seen him get teary-eyed.

For some reason, the market I went to had no macadamia nuts. I will go looking for them this weekend. Thanks for the encouragement! I am SUPER excited to wake up tomorrow and start this new chapter.

AWWWW that's so sweet of him. You go girl you CAN DO THIS!!!!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Shelby
I read it n P&I. pg 41&42

After 40 days it takes about six weeks before this so-called immunity is lost and HCG becomes effective again.
The onset of immunity can be delayed if they are given only 6 injections(doses) a week leaving out Sundays or any other day they choose,provided that it is always the same day.

So I have been doing an interuption on my rounds but it has been a week or more.Meaning I have skipped more than one dose a week.

You may not agree, but that is ok.This is what I am going to do.It has worked for me so far. I have 30lbs off since April and have stayed the same weight for nearly six weeks. So I am very happy with that for myself!

Yes, that is the passage I had quoted to you. It doesn't say anywhere that taking an interruption delays immunity. It just says that the max dose is 40 and that you can ONLY do 40 days in a row if you skip 1 dose per week (if you do 23, it's ok to not skip). Nothing about interruptions preventing immunity or making the time in between shorter. I guess I am still confused...

Good luck on your round! And please watch out for the hungries in case you DO hit the immunity place!

[Fat Eddie]

I can't belive it. When I follow strict protocol I lose between .2to.4 pounds. When I cheat I lose 2.2 pounds. There is no rhyme or reason.
Anyway could I possibly be at 199 pounds by 9/17/12 for my next PI. That's right I'm doing it again, big party at

Official Web Site of the Annual Tomahawk Fall Ride

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IF CARROTS ARE SO GOOD FOR YOUR EYES. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY DEAD RABBITS ON THE ROAD?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Fat Eddie

I can't belive it. When I follow strict protocol I lose between .2to.4 pounds. When I cheat I lose 2.2 pounds. There is no rhyme or reason.
Anyway could I possibly be at 199 pounds by 9/17/12 for my next PI. That's right I'm doing it again, big party at

Official Web Site of the Annual Tomahawk Fall Ride

__________________________________________________ _______________
IF CARROTS ARE SO GOOD FOR YOUR EYES. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY DEAD RABBITS ON THE ROAD?

Men

jk--congratulations on THAT loss I agree--no rhyme or reason.

[HappyChick]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Men

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Yes, that is the passage I had quoted to you. It doesn't say anywhere that taking an interruption delays immunity. It just says that the max dose is 40 and that you can ONLY do 40 days in a row if you skip 1 dose per week (if you do 23, it's ok to not skip). Nothing about interruptions preventing immunity or making the time in between shorter. I guess I am still confused...

Good luck on your round! And please watch out for the hungries in case you DO hit the immunity place!

IMO: The passage is saying that the max is 40 doses in a row. However, you can go a bit longer (TIME-wise, not DOSE-wise) if you skip one dose per week, as this would delay immunity and make your round take up more time. Going on an interruption does not delay immunity -- it just prolongs the round, as the length of the round would be determined by the number of doses, not the number of days. You still have approx. 40 doses until you experience immunity, but the timing of those doses would be much more drawn out. This is why Dr. S says that taking a planned interruption after 20 effective doses is "merely a loss of time."

Make sense at all? Just my two pennies

Originally Posted by manders

I think he realizes, but he's definitely not the kind to be openly emotional. Actually, when I saw him a couple weeks ago was the first time I've ever seen him get teary-eyed.

For some reason, the market I went to had no macadamia nuts. I will go looking for them this weekend. Thanks for the encouragement! I am SUPER excited to wake up tomorrow and start this new chapter.

Aww, y'all are so cute. Good luck on your fat fasting!! Hopefully it works out and makes you feel better.

Originally Posted by Fat Eddie

I can't belive it. When I follow strict protocol I lose between .2to.4 pounds. When I cheat I lose 2.2 pounds. There is no rhyme or reason.
Anyway could I possibly be at 199 pounds by 9/17/12 for my next PI.

Lol! I'm not gonna advocate cheating a lot, but it's good to know that in case it DOES happen, you may not have a huge setback.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Yes, that is the passage I had quoted to you. It doesn't say anywhere that taking an interruption delays immunity. It just says that the max dose is 40 and that you can ONLY do 40 days in a row if you skip 1 dose per week (if you do 23, it's ok to not skip). Nothing about interruptions preventing immunity or making the time in between shorter. I guess I am still confused...

Good luck on your round! And please watch out for the hungries in case you DO hit the immunity place!

Shelby
Sorry I was not quoting you I was quoting from the book.But in the BOOK Pounds & Inches BY Dr. T.W. Simeons on pg 42 it says and I quote
" Patients who need only 23 injections may be injected daily,including Sundays, as they NEVER develop immunity." In those that take 40 injections the onset of immunity can be delayed if they are given only six injections a week,leaving out Sundays OR any other day they choose,provided that it is always the same day.On the days on which they do not recieve the injections they usually feel a slight sensation of hunger. At first we thought that this might be purely psycholgical, but we found that when normal saline is injected without the patient's knowledge athe same phenomenon occurs.

I didn't say an interuption is what delays immunity. What I meant was "I do skip a dosage" actaully more than one .So therefore I will not become immune to it.

So if I only do 23 doses then I will NEVER develop immunity.So that is good as I would rather do a short round anyway.

The book also says not to take HCG while in the TOM. And yes there is a book out with teh O&I by Dr. TW Simeons if I knwo how to post a phot on here I would .Dawn questioned it also and I sent her the picture sometime back.I got it from our book store here. I Guess you can look it up on the internet for proof.

[manders]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Aww, y'all are so cute. Good luck on your fat fasting!! Hopefully it works out and makes you feel better.

Thanks! I have to say, I feel better already today. I couldn't believe I was eating bacon and HWC for breakfast. I was like THIS IS INSANITY lol

I haven't wrapped my head around how it works, but I'm praying it will.

[HappyChick]

I'll be watching with bated breath, Manders- I read all 27 pages of the Fat Fasters thread and have been contemplating using it to transition into P3.

Originally Posted by manders

Thanks! I have to say, I feel better already today. I couldn't believe I was eating bacon and HWC for breakfast. I was like THIS IS INSANITY lol

I haven't wrapped my head around how it works, but I'm praying it will.