Fat Fast to break a stall in P2 & transition to P3

[junkn]

i have been really interested in doing this since i've read about a couple of people having success with it on here.

aerin8 on here has had luck with this and i hope she doesn't mind me quoting her. i compiled a bunch of her posts in regards to this.

so has anyone else tried this? i think i might if i hit a stall. i think its great info and a gives us another option to break a stall or transition to p3!

THANKS AERIN8!!!

Originally Posted by aerin8

FF can be used as a type of CD. I use them to transition from P2 into P3...for instance today is my last day of P2 and I'm on my 3rd day of a FF. I'll do my last 2 VLCDs as 2 more fat fast days making this a 5 day fat fast. 5 days is the longest recommended fat fast since you don't get enough protein on the fat fast. You consume 1000 calories with more than 80% comprised of fat. It works great for me! I've lost 5 pounds so far in 2 days...and on a previous round I lost 8 lbs in 3 days. It's harder than it sounds to stay within the 1000 calories and not go crazy when you eat cream cheese goodies though.

Originally Posted by aerin8

I have actually done the FF for a few days during long rounds to break a stall. It's worked pretty well. It's not recommended to do them too close together or they don't work as effectively. I've done one during a long round during the week 2 stall and then transitioning from P2 into P3 successfully.

Originally Posted by aerin8

I just took my HCG for the first 3 days, but followed the rules of the FF (1000 calories, 80%+ fat) and tomorrow I will start the last 2 days without HCG but still following the FF rules. Then on Monday, I'll start P3 and begin following P3 eating rules.

editing to answer your other questions: I still do apple days occasionally if I don't want to invest 2 or 3 days in a FF and for a shorter round because I don't want to do too many FFs too close together. I try to stay as close to 1000 calories as I can, but it's more about keeping the fat % up, so if it goes a tiny bit higher I don't sweat it. I generally stay between 1000-1100.

Originally Posted by aerin8

Hey everyone...

I know a lot of people had asked questions about the Fat Fast and I wanted to fill everyone in on the final results of my 5 day FF. I used the FF as a transition into P3 and started on day 19 of a 21-day round. I did the FF for days 19-21 while taking HCG and then days 22-23 without HCG. I lost 7 lbs, taking my round to 19 lbs lost. I love getting those extra few pounds off at the very end when the losses have slowed to almost nothing! All in all, a successful FF...

[junkn]

and here is a sample of what her fat fast days look like:

Originally Posted by aerin8

Sure! I'll list out the 5 days that I have planned out currently. Keep in mind that the portion sizes are very small since high fat makes the calories add up quickly. I find that if I spread everything out and make sure I wait about 2 hours between eating, I tend to feel more satisfied throughout the day.

Day 1:
2 Cream Cheese Muffins (294 cal)
Jello Whip (246 cal)
.5 oz Macadamia Nuts (100 cal)
1 Egg + 2 Egg Yolks, Scrambled (178 cal)
1 TBS Heavy Cream (50 cal)
2 Cream Cheese Clouds (134 cal)

Total Day 1: 1002 cal, 86% fat, 11% Protein, 3% carb

Day 2:
2 Cream Cheese Muffins (294 cal)
Jello Whip (246 cal)
1 Egg + 2 Egg Yolks, Scrambled (178 cal)
1 TBS Bacon Grease (for eggs) (39 cal)
2 slices of Bacon (90 cal)
1 TBS Heavy Cream (50 cal)
1/8 cup Shredded Cheddar Cheese (25 cal)
2 Cream Cheese Clouds (134 cal)

Total Day 2: 1056 cal, 85% fat, 12% Protein, 3% carb

Day 3:
2 Cream Cheese Muffins (294 cal)
Jello Whip (246 cal)
14 grams Pork Rinds (80 cal)
2 TBS Daisy Sour Cream (seasoned w/herbs) (60 cal)
Tuna Salad on Lettuce Wrap made with:
2 oz Tuna (50 cal)
1 Egg Yolk, hard boiled (54 cal)
2 TBS Mayo (180 cal)
1 large Lettuce Leaf (5 cal)
2 Cream Cheese Clouds (134 cal)

Total Day 3: 1103 cal, 84% fat, 13% Protein, 3% carb

Day 4:
2 Cream Cheese Muffins (294 cal)
Jello Whip (246 cal)
Egg Salad on Lettuce Wrap made with:
1 Hard Boiled Egg + 2 Yolks (178 cal)
2 TBS Mayo (180 cal)
1 large Lettuce Leaf (5 cal)
2 Cream Cheese Clouds (134 cal)

Total Day 4: 1037 cal, 87% fat, 10% Protein, 3% carb

Day 5:
2 Cream Cheese Muffins (294 cal)
Jello Whip (246 cal)
1 Egg + 2 Egg Yolks, Scrambled (178 cal)
1 TBS Bacon Grease (for eggs) (39 cal)
2 slices of Bacon (90 cal)
1 TBS Heavy Cream (50 cal)
1/8 cup Shredded Cheddar Cheese (25 cal)
2 Cream Cheese Clouds (134 cal)

Total Day 5: 1056 cal, 85% fat, 12% Protein, 3% carb

and a recipe for some yummy peanut butter things she uses:

PEANUT BUTTER CHEESECAKE BITES

Ingredients
1 (8 oz) package of cream cheese, softened
8 Tbsp Heavy Cream
½ cup soft SF Peanut Butter
¼ cup sweetener
½ tsp. ground cinnamon
1 tsp. vanilla extract
Unsweetened shredded coconut

Directions
Whip Heavy Cream in the mixer until almost fully whipped then slowly add all the other ingredients except for shredded cocunut. Scrap down sides of bowl as needed. Chill the mixture in the fridge for approx. 30 minutes.

Then roll the mixture into 3/4-inch balls. Roll the balls in the shredded coconut to coat them and then chill them for an additional 15 mins or so before serving. Recipe makes approximately 32 bites. 4 bites=1 serving

[manders]

I don't see why not. Everyone responds differently to different things. I once did an apple day and lost 4 pounds. Some people lose nothing on an apple day. Try it and see how it goes!

[junkn]

oh i'm not in a stall right now but am really interested in trying this when i transition to P3- which im totally afraid to do at this point!

p.s. 4 pounds gone w/an apple day! that is awesome!

[manders]

Originally Posted by junkn

oh i'm not in a stall right now but am really interested in trying this when i transition to P3- which im totally afraid to do at this point!

p.s. 4 pounds gone w/an apple day! that is awesome!

I know, I was just using that as an example about how everyone responds differently and you never know until you try. So try it!

[smfarmgal]

Originally Posted by junkn

Originally Posted by aerin8: I just took my HCG for the first 3 days, but followed the rules of the FF (1000 calories, 80%+ fat) and tomorrow I will start the last 2 days without HCG but still following the FF rules.

I'm a little confused by this... does Aerin8 mean she is using FF for her three loading days, as well as for the last two days of transition into P3?

[junkn]

i think she meant- the first three days before transitioning to P3. not during loading for P2.

[smfarmgal]

Thanks! It sounded rather like she did the FF during loading days, which made me curious.

[Winders]

This is really interesting.
I may try this at transition to P3.

[HappyChick]

welp- I am very glad that I used fat fasting to transition into P3- so far, so good!

I FF'ed for 3 days- at 1000 cals, dipped 1.8 pounds below LDW, and then stabilized at .8 below LDW.

I've climbed to 1250 cals over the last three days- using P3 foods only. I'll add 200 or so cals today and in a few days climb to my BMR +20%. I'm holding steady at .8 below LDW. To me, that's awesome!! I was so afraid that going from vlcd to more than double cals was going to pile it back on.

I definitely credit the fat fast in allowing me to double my cals without rebound weight gain. Hope I do as well for the rest of this and next week... then, on to round two!! Can't wait!!

[junkn]

that is great! keep us updated!

[Kvostermans]

Hi,
I'm new to this board, but I've been reading and learning for the last year here

I'm R4, P2 VLCD22. I was losing steadily but had a slight stall and wanted to end my round with a nice drop, so I tried the FF the last two days. Typically, a high protein correction day had netted me at least a 2 lb drop in P3, so I said "what the heck, I'll try it!". Anyway, this did not work for me. I felt terrible, especially yesterday, day 2 of this experiment. I tracked everything on MyPlate and was around 1000 c. w/80-83% fat. I'm going back on VLCD today till I lose my final 3lbs. I should say that I'm now in my healthy BMI (just hit that 1lb ago!). So, I don't have much else to lose, but another 5lb would be a nice cushion.

Wish me luck- I really want to lose another 3lbs to get me to 115 (I'm only 4'11"). I've lost a total of 40lbs (10-15 each round) and stabalized really well each time.

Thanks for the support- I really like this board compared to some other yahoo groups that are pretty critical of anything "off" protocol- lol!

Best,
Kim

[walkingwoman]

Congrats on your fabulous results! come join some of the other threads for support and share with us your success!

[dawnyama]

Kim--those are wonderful results you have had!!! I am sure you can get to your goal using the hcg. I am 5'4" and got to 115, so no reason you cannot either. Let's do this together. Unless you are already there!! How are you doing now?

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Found this...bumping up so I have it as reference.

I'm thinking of doing the FF next week as I transition from P2 to P3. Friday is the day...hoping to lose the last 3 lbs. by then...I think I will Planning on enjoying the holidays w/ some low carb treats. Giving myself 5 lbs. of bounce-up. Gonna do JUDDD diligently in a few weeks. Already planned Christmas as an Up Day!!!!!! Trying to figure it out

[dawnyama]

Go Angela!! Go Angela!!! You have done so well. I know you can finish strong!!

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Go Angela!! Go Angela!!! You have done so well. I know you can finish strong!!

Thank you Dawn!!!!

Can you tell that I am EXCITED & motivated? Bound & determined...working on getting housework/laundry done...plus, my DH is doung a huge HVAC install job today w/4 units which the pay will carry us through next month & let us do a little Christmas shopping. He finally started a regular job yesterday...been in training a week which is NOT paid...grrr.

Have a great Saturday!!!!!!!

[dawnyama]

That is good news!!! Puts less stress on you, which is great!!!

Happy Saturday to you too!!

[junkn]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Found this...bumping up so I have it as reference.

I'm thinking of doing the FF next week as I transition from P2 to P3. Friday is the day...hoping to lose the last 3 lbs. by then...I think I will Planning on enjoying the holidays w/ some low carb treats. Giving myself 5 lbs. of bounce-up. Gonna do JUDDD diligently in a few weeks. Already planned Christmas as an Up Day!!!!!! Trying to figure it out

ohmygoshness.. i decided to start P3 three pounds from goal too! (108.2, goal is 105). like you, i've also been on P2 for several months (4 almost- i know you've been on longer). i also plan on doing JUDDD to maintain.

hehe- i just thought it was so funny that we are doing so many similar things!

anyways- i am a week and half into P3 and have stabilized great so far. i am a little bit under LDW. i decided not to do the FF to transition but just doing regular P3.

i know you will do great! good luck!

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by junkn

ohmygoshness.. i decided to start P3 three pounds from goal too! (108.2, goal is 105). like you, i've also been on P2 for several months (4 almost- i know you've been on longer). i also plan on doing JUDDD to maintain.

hehe- i just thought it was so funny that we are doing so many similar things!

anyways- i am a week and half into P3 and have stabilized great so far. i am a little bit under LDW. i decided not to do the FF to transition but just doing regular P3.

i know you will do great! good luck!

TY junkn!

You are doing quite well. Are you low carbing? Calorie counting? I have to admit that I have been so addicted to losing that I am paranoid about going off the hHCG for good and gaining. Every time I do go off for PI's, P3's...I gain a few lbs. back by eating strict protocol Of course, I've never gone more than a few weeks to see if it does eventually stabilize...I panic & jump back on hHCG I definitely will be going to JUDDD in a few weeks. I have been really cruising their boards to get a glimpse of what it will be like. Prolly will incorporate strict low-carb at first...then start adding in low glycemic carbs, just to get my body re-acclimated. I am extremely carb-phobic/carb sensitive normally.

Keep up the great work!!!!!

[junkn]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

TY junkn!

You are doing quite well. Are you low carbing? Calorie counting? I have to admit that I have been so addicted to losing that I am paranoid about going off the hHCG for good and gaining. Every time I do go off for PI's, P3's...I gain a few lbs. back by eating strict protocol Of course, I've never gone more than a few weeks to see if it does eventually stabilize...I panic & jump back on hHCG I definitely will be going to JUDDD in a few weeks. I have been really cruising their boards to get a glimpse of what it will be like. Prolly will incorporate strict low-carb at first...then start adding in low glycemic carbs, just to get my body re-acclimated. I am extremely carb-phobic/carb sensitive normally.

Keep up the great work!!!!!

i am low carbing and calorie counting. i was eating 1200 a day but was losing everyday which concerned me cause i wanted to stabilize (despite how great it felt to still lose eating more than double what i was while on hhcg).

so then i upped my calories to 1500 and started gaining so i cut back down to 1200-1300 and am at below LDW again.

i am basically eating p2 foods but more fat, like bulletproof coffee (coconut oil & butter), avacado, ribeye steaks, eggs, etc. some popcorn here and there.

calorie counting is no big deal cause i do it all online and got into the habit of it when i was on hhcg.

i wanted to keep going on hhcg too but i got worried after reading on here about how our bodies could get immune and other negative things that could happen- like difficulty with stabilizing.

when i got 3 pounds from goal, i decided to stop (even though it was just THREE more pounds). i am glad i did because i've learned that my body can stabilize after almost tripling the amount of foods i eat and after eating VLCD for so long.

i did one unplanned interruption and gained about 10 pounds in a week! but i was eating w/e i wanted while my mom was visiting.

transitioning to P3- i was careful and did it by the book and so far its worked well