JUDDD for P4?
 

Hi all, I know there are some who have used JUDDD after HCG for maintenance, and to lose more weight. My last VLCD will be August 21 :jumpjoy: , and I just can't stomach any more VLCD after that. I tried JUDDD briefly and liked it a lot, but wanted a fast weight loss bump, hence the HCG. Have most who moved on to JUDDD done so for P4, not P3? I still need to lose about 10 to 15 pounds and really hope I can lost it on JUDDD.

I should clarify: I can't stomach VLC days IN A ROW anymore! I can do them for JUDDD, that's so much easier!

Hi, Cynthm! My last VLCD is August 21st as well.

I have done JUDD in P4 with success.

I am considering doing JUDD in P3, if I have troubling stabilizing within my 2lb window on protocol P3.

I have gout, and I choose not to take medication for it, and instead try to control the severity of its symptoms through diet. For some reason, when I get to about day 5 of P3, my gout symptoms explode and subsequently I have more pain and inflammation. The inflammation causes fluid retention, and it becomes very difficult to stabilize. So, I've decided this time around I will follow P3 protocol to the letter, until/if my gout acts up, then I will try JUDD in the hopes I will stabilize better.

If that doesn't work, then I will still do the JUDD in P3, but also speed up adding low glycemic carbs back into the mix, in hopes of reducing my symptoms and stabilizing better.

My first two rounds I had no idea my gout was the problem in P3. It certainly is not a problem in P2. My third round I had bloodwork done, and realized it was the culprit. This is my 4th round finishing up, and I'm hoping my experiment in P3 will work so I won't have as much trouble stabilizing.

I've now read WLA, and have decided to put its principles to practice in P3. But, I'm concerned how they may conflict. For example, on JUDD up days, if I eat the up day calories allotted, I overeat on purpose to get to that target number of calories, which flies in the face of eating to hunger only. Woe is me. :dunno:

Keep us posted on what you decide to do.

Good luck with your P3, hcgnc!! I'm sorry about your gout, my Dad has that sometimes too, usually when he drinks too much beer :o) I think I'm going to do the regular P3, and then switch to JUDDD for P4. If I gain too much during P3, I will do a down day to stop the weight gain. Can't wait to be done with P2!!!!

Sounds like a plan!

Counting down the days until P3. I would like to do P2 40 days, but I just don't think I will.

Oh heck....I admire your fortitude!! I wish I could...I'd get much closer to goal, but I'm so sick of the eating plan, I'm literally counting the days to go, over and over and over! And it's not because I'm starving, or I hate the food....I'm just beyond bored with the choices. I don't have any cravings at all, I just want more variety, and I want to be social again! I'm tired of whenever I do go out, having to order caesar salad with chicken, no cheese, croutons or dressing. And no wine. I do miss my wine :o)

I did JUDDD this last time, straight after P2. I did my 72 hours of VLC after last dose, (I do Rx) and then did one UP day P3-style and started right into JUDDD rotations doing P3 rules of no starch no sugar. I stabilized at about one pound below LIW. Easiest stabilization ever. This was my 7th round of Hcg. When I added back in carbs and alcohol on P4 in vacation my weight went up but only within a few pounds of LIW+ but it came right back down with a week of JUDDD rotations. Now I am nicely within my window of 2 pounds and feel I am doing well.

Good luck!

Thanks CMarie.....I am hoping for the same kind of results!

WOW!!!! C'Marie...that is definitely rockin' it:sing:

I wanna be just like you when I grow up...well...in about -32 lbs. I don't think I'll ever grow up:rofl::hyst:

Keep on truckin'!!!!

I switched to JUDDD half way through P3 and it was seriously the best decision I could've made. It's been four months since I ended H(H)CG and I'm currently comfortably sitting at 9-10 lbs below LDW (the last time I did HCG, I gained everything back within 3 weeks of P4). JUDDD is wonderful and I'd recommend to any HCGer for maintenance. Good luck!!

Wow....you are doing great!! Do you stick to strict rotations, every other day? Did you also stay low carb for the remainder of P3?

hcgnc, if you read his book, nowhere does Dr. Johnson tell people to eat all their UD calories if they are not hungry. In fact, the book doesn't even mention counting calories on UD's - just eating until satisfied. I think this idea of people eating "up to" their allotted UD calories has come from the calculator's presence online. A few JUDDDers even contacted Dr. J, and he confirmed that the "regular" allowance on the calculator is more of a ceiling than anything.

True, some - not all - people report better results with higher UD's, but for all we know they are HUNGRY for those calories. Eating when you are not hungry is certainly the best way to mess up your Leptin levels, gain weight, and continue the bad cycle - I truly believe Robin is correct about this.

Anyway, i's really DD's that are harder to work with Robin's philosophy than UD's! I have been JUDDDing with success since 7/22, but plan do finish off with a round of HCG in a week or two. I've been contemplating skyping with Robin soon to get an idea of her thoughts on JUDDD. But for now, it's working for me. I rarely come close to the UD calories on my calculator and ALWAYS stop before I'm too full.

@Cynthm: I'm in the same boat with you. I also want to loose my last 10 to 15 pounds with juddd. RIght now I can maintain my weight easy, and was able to add starches back into my diary. I started juddd on my first day of P4, so far I haven't lost anything. I guess my body just needs to stay a while on that weight, hopefully I will loose something after a couple of weeks on juddd. All best to you?

This is good to know I am doing another round of P2 because I couldn't stabalize and gained back 10 pounds so after this P2 is done next week I will most likely do juddd.

I should add, in full disclosure, that doing P3-Judd-style was somewhat difficult. I had just come off hcg 500-calorie days, did my no-dosing VLC's, and then only did ONE UP-day P3-style and then went straight into a 500-calorie Juddd down day. It was somewhat easier than doing hcg 500 calories, because I could pick anything I wanted to eat off the P3-acceptable foods, BUT remember I was JUST on hcg and my calorie stores/fat stores/protein stores were not replenished yet. It was a challenge. My body did not like it much until I had a few good up days under my belt. Then I switched to some maintenance calorie numbers, which for me was like 800/1800 instead of 500 calorie down days, because I started to lose weight on P3, and if you follow the P3 logic, you are supposed to stay within the 2-pound range up or down of your Last Dose Weight. Once I did that, I stopped losing and just stayed nicely stable until I added starches/sugars in for P4. Then my weight went up the characteristic 2-3 pounds, but as I began P4 under my Last Dose Weight, I was fine.

Just so you know.

Thanks, Buttah, for the additional insight. The only JUDD info I have was gleaned from the JUDD forum on this site. At the time I did JUDD, I was worried about not eating up to my UD calories, in fear of 'messing up my metabolism.' And as I said, most UDs it felt like I stuffed myself.

I guess if I end up JUDDing in P3, then I will need to calculate my UD and DD calories over again for maintenance, not loss. Previously, I had just calculated them for the purpose of losing weight, and the numbers for that were 1667/333, or close to that.

Anyway, I intend to start out P3 by the book with the influence of the hunger scale this time around and not trying to eat up to a set BMR/caloric number, and only do a JUDD P3 combo, if the P3 isn't stable (due to my gout or gluttony whatever the case may be).

Today is VLCD #20, and I've lost 15lbs, over 4lbs of which is just this past week, so I'm seriously thinking about extending P2 another week, since the losses haven't slowed like they usually do for me. The 15lbs is including loading weight lost, but I don't know how much is loading weight since I had not weighed myself for about 3 weeks prior to starting P2 this time. I'm not really sure why this round 4 has yielded greater losses really, just thankful that it has. I usually only lose about 10-12lbs (that includes loading weight) in the 21 days of P2.

Anyways, I don't post a lot, so I wanted to thank everyone for their posts, because it is such a valuable wealth of information that is available to us, and I am on here a lot reading of everyone's experiences.

Here's wishing everyone Happy Releases! :high5:

I did very strict rotations (and still do them) and was low carb for almost an entire month (including 21 days of P3) before starting carbs.

Hi Rebecca, I just wanted to say that I didn't start officially losing on JUDDD after HCG until more than a month or two had passed. I'm not quite sure why this was but if you think about it, P3 is a form of Atkins induction designed for weight loss and yet, very few of us lose on P3. So, you might not lose for a while on JUDDD but I'd advise that you stick to rotations religiously and you WILL see results! Good luck!

@Luv is a fairytale: that's great to know thank you. However I got some unseen invitations over the weekend till now, that throw me a out of my rotations. But I'll go back!!!

Such fabulous news :jumpjoy::jumpjoy: All I have ever wanted in P3/P4 is to be stable. That little window Dr S has us in is soooo tiny. I have had JUDDD on the brain ever since I have seen many hcger's doing so well with it. So glad to hear another success story with it :jumpjoy::jumpjoy: Thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing!!!