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[walkingwoman]

Morning ladies! busy with wedding stuff today but wanted to pop in and say hello to my pals

Scale is down another .6 so I'm finally over 10 pounds! Yippee! Seems like it took forever but i recieved my pellets yesterday and am hoping for better results wtih them Make it a great day!

[buttah]

For those who want to hear, I thought I'd paste in a few more of the notes I've taken with Robin. This is less about the HS, and more about leptin, why HCG works and how best to take advantage of what it teaches us.A lot of this is in the book and on the videos, but not all (and remember, there are clinical studies on this stuff). :

Leptin is a hormone that comes from fat. The more fat, the more leptin. When leptin levels are down - you feel true urgency to eat; when leptin levels are up, hunger is turned off (HCG raises leptin levels - that's why it SHOULD eliminate hunger).

The more fat you have, the more leptin you have, the less hungry you really are. Skinny people get hungrier more. (But in america, we often don't eat because of hunger. We eat because it feels good, tastes good, we're bored, etc.)

Food stimulates fat to put more leptin the body, which when elevated inside the brain, turns off hunger.

Fat cells have mitochondria. The are the body's gas pump that puts fuel in the body.
Leptin regulates the rate that fuel comes out of that fat. The more elevated our leptin levels, the more fuel that comes out of our fat. So if fat people have more leptin, why aren't they burning more fat?

Because they can't/don't USE all that fat. And it gets converted into triglycerides and recreated into a fatty acid, basically recycled back into fat. Stored.

So more leptin isn't better. We only need Just Enough.

So eating when you're NOT hungry, you are stimulating leptin. Bad. Leads to more obesity.

And...

HCG is just magnifying what food does (to our leptin levels, only without eating the food), so once you find the optimal point of eating to eliminate hunger, you just have to duplicate without HCG (which requires a bit more food). HCG replaces the hormones that food gives you. If you have HCG, you get these hormones, need less food. When you take HCG away, to get the same necessary hormones, you must eat just enough food to match the hunger, like you did with HCG (BUT NO MORE).

I then made notes about times I eat past the correct amount of satisfaction on Robin's scale. My biggie is not boredom, but CHAOS (although boredom is an issue, too. Luckily JUDDD helped me STOP my evening munching). I overeat (past satiety, repeatedly) in times of chaos (hence not even trying to lose weight in the harried years of parenting and an intense professional career). Just discussing this and owning it has been huge for me.

I hope some of this is interesting.

[julieboolie]

Buttah-thanks for being the ambassador!! It's certainly welcome and good for us all!! I am not saying I don't believe the HS works. I have not really given it a true test when I'm in a stable place. I am just now understanding leptin better and becoming more leptin sensitive (finally). All of this weight management/losing is trial and error, practice etc. The leptin portion of WLA is what I've internalized the most. Her one video w. the white board really clicked for me.

I like what you say about snacking and managing the hunger to time your meals etc. That's not something I did well during my "trial". I will likely revisit it more seriously once I'm in P4.

And, to multi-quote, there is a little "+ icon on the lower right corner of the person's post (second from the right) you wish to address. If you click it as you're reading, and then hit the reply button at the end, you should have all the posts you wish to reply to pop up in your window. Clear as mud?

I also agree that the next day's weight isn't a true reflection of our actual fat level, but I have noticed, esp. in P3, that if a correction isn't made really close to the indiscretion, the weight becomes more permanent and tough to relose.

Shelby-I think figuring out your 6 from your 7, etc. is just a matter of practice. You're doing well to repeat the "sensation" and then track what the scale reflects. That's how I'd go about figuring it out. It's certainly not an exact science, but practice will surely help!

Cocoa-ditto what you said! completely agree. Balance in all of this is as important as vigilance.

Stevie- you're doing so well and so aware of your triggers, etc. I'm sure as you work though it you'll do just fine maintaining.

My challenge is balancing a sense of deprivation with the sense of entitlement to indulge afterwards. I'm working on accepting all options so nothing is "forbidden" and nothing is a "punishment". I look forward to maintaining with balance and satisfaction. That's the next challenge!!

That said, I'm happy to report that I'm finally down today!! 2.2 drop overnight, down to 147.4 Finally!! back to LDW from last round!! Now, on to virgin weight!! I'm pretty content w. whatever comes. I'd really like to be lower in the 140's. I still have abnormal fat to lose. But I also appreciate the progress I've made, and am pretty happy where I am size wise. I have a pair of jeans that are still a bit snug. I'd love to be able to wear them comfortably by the end of this round. That's my plan.

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Buttah-thanks for being the ambassador!! It's certainly welcome and good for us all!! I am not saying I don't believe the HS works. I have not really given it a true test when I'm in a stable place. I am just now understanding leptin better and becoming more leptin sensitive (finally). All of this weight management/losing is trial and error, practice etc. Please dont' take it personally if we follow different paths. It doesn't make someone right or wrong. Just like there are many different ways to lose weight, there will be many different ways we will all choose to maintain our weight. We all need to find what works for us. We're all different. What works for one, won't work for all.

I like what you say about snacking and managing the hunger to time your meals etc. That's not something I did well during my "trial". I will likely revisit it more seriously once I'm in P4.

And, to multi-quote, there is a little + icon on the lower right corner of the person's post you wish to address. If you click it as you're reading, and then hit the reply button at the end, you should have all the posts you wish to reply to pop up in your window. Clear as mud?

I also agree that the next day's weight isn't a true reflection of our actual fat level, but I have noticed, esp. in P3, that if a correction isn't made really close to the indiscretion, the weight becomes more permanent and tough to relose.

Shelby-I think figuring out your 6 from your 7, etc. is just a matter of practice. You're doing well to repeat the "sensation" and then track what the scale reflects. That's how I'd go about figuring it out. It's certainly not an exact science, but practice will surely help!

Cocoa-ditto what you said! completely agree. Balance in all of this is as important as vigilance.

Stevie- you're doing so well and so aware of your triggers, etc. I'm sure as you work though it you'll do just fine maintaining.

My challenge is balancing a sense of deprivation with the sense of entitlement to indulge afterwards. I'm working on accepting all options so nothing is "forbidden" and nothing is a "punishment". I look forward to maintaining with balance and satisfaction. That's the next challenge!!

That said, I'm happy to report that I'm finally down today!! 2.2 drop overnight, down to 147.4 Finally!! back to LDW from last round!! Now, on to virgin weight!! I'm pretty content w. whatever comes. I'd really like to be lower in the 140's. I still have abnormal fat to lose. But I also appreciate the progress I've made, and am pretty happy where I am size wise. I have a pair of jeans that are still a bit snug. I'd love to be able to wear them comfortably by the end of this round. That's my plan.

WoW! Julie you just changed my world. I had NO idea about that multiquote thing! I've been copying and pasting this WHOLE TIME! lol!

And WOO HOO, 2.2 drop overnight! I knew it was coming! YOu were due for a WHOOSH! And now you're ready to hit virgin territory!!! So happy for you! You deserve it!

[buttah]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I also agree that the next day's weight isn't a true reflection of our actual fat level, but I have noticed, esp. in P3, that if a correction isn't made really close to the indiscretion, the weight becomes more permanent and tough to relose.

But let me ask you this. Have ever really tried not freaking out over the gain, but merely going immediately back to the HS (or to eating clean or proper p3 food or whatever), particularly STRICTLY, the next few days or so? Because I have, and the scale always goes back down. Not water weight loss/re-fill down AND back up (correction days that work, but just for one day), but really back down.

Try it?

One thing JUDDD really re-taught me was to look at the scale's TREND, not it's daily fluctuations. I thank JUDDD for that.

But MORE IMPORTANT...

Nice loss!!!!! I haven't seen anything like that since the first few days, and I doubt I will (unless I do some major exercise, which I fear will make me too hungry).

And THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for teaching me to multi-quote!

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

My challenge is balancing a sense of deprivation with the sense of entitlement to indulge afterwards. I'm working on accepting all options so nothing is "forbidden" and nothing is a "punishment". I look forward to maintaining with balance and satisfaction. That's the next challenge!!

Me too I have recognized my deprivation-reward cycle for a long while now..getting tired of it!

Also nice drop, yay!

Buttah -- Thanks for sharing your notes on leptin. Good refresher!

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by buttah

But let me ask you this. Have ever really tried not freaking out over the gain, but merely going immediately back to the HS (or to eating clean or proper p3 food or whatever), particularly STRICTLY, the next few days or so? Because I have, and the scale always goes back down. Not water weight loss/re-fill down AND back up (correction days that work, but just for one day), but really back down.

Try it?

One thing JUDDD really re-taught me was to look at the scale's TREND, not it's daily fluctuations. I thank JUDDD for that.

But MORE IMPORTANT...

Nice loss!!!!! I haven't seen anything like that since the first few days, and I doubt I will (unless I do some major exercise, which I fear will make me too hungry).

And THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for teaching me to multi-quote!

Actually, it's funny you mention this, I have not had success w. CDs the past 2 roundd. I do this now, go back to "normal" P3 and the weight usually goes back down. At the end of this last P3/P4 the weight wouldnt' go back down no matter how cleanly I ate. I tried to CD it too, but that didnt' work either. It seemed after the 3 weeks of pretty easy P3 that any gain I had stuck. It was quite frustrating and confusing. Hopefully this round will go better. I'm not planning a P4 per se. I'll stick w. P3 and the occasional carbier food eventually. No rush on my part . And glad to help w. the multi quote. It's much easier!!

Cocoa-thanks. It's quite the journey, isn't it? You're getting a handle on it young!! So happy for you!

[buttah]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Actually, it's funny you mention this, I have not had success w. CDs the past 2 roundd. I do this now, go back to "normal" P3 and the weight usually goes back down.

I've noticed you aren't the only one, either Julie.

Originally Posted by julieboolie

At the end of this last P3/P4 the weight wouldnt' go back down no matter how cleanly I ate. I tried to CD it too, but that didnt' work either.

Maybe, just maybe, after the gain, you are still eating too MUCH clean food (every body's needs are different, and often different on different activity days; the BMR calories are baloney as a one-size-fits-all, per Robin and others), which means you are eating consistently past 5.5/6, and THAT'S why the scale doesn't go back down?

[buttah]

So glad some of you are sticking around!!!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by buttah

Shelby, just because you asked me to keep being the ambassador, I wanted to point out, although I'm SURE you already know this, the reason for Robin's "no daily weighing" is that the morning scale is simply not, nor will it ever be until they invent a magic scale, an accurate reflection of what the previous day's eating did to impact one's weight (and more specifically, fat). I know the HCG diet likes to pretend it is, but especially for women, it just isn't. It's the TREND of the scale over time, or lack of trend, that's important. You have to eat that way for, say, the course of a week, then see where you are, if you must. But your clothes tell you anyway.

I'm sure if you've read the book, you know that, but I just wanted to mention it in response to your above post.



Having said that, it's nearly impossible for me not to weigh in P2! BUT, I don't take the daily number as anything more than it is... gravity's affect on my body (and all it's naturally fluctuating waters) that morning. It's where I am after a few days or a week that tells me what I need to know.

I completely agree with you on this point, buttah. I will weigh daily in a round but I actually only "count" my Saturday weights. It takes me back to my low carb, only weigh once per week period. Except I monitor my fluctuations a little more closely, if that makes any sense (more on that in a minute, below). I have also become MUCH more consistent about "owning" my emotions around scale weight and how it makes me feel as well as other stuff going on in my life. Previously , if I was in a cr@ppy mood or had the urge to eat without hunger, I would eat or drink to make myself feel better or just eat or drink, period. Now I sit myself down and say, "Self, WHY are you in this cr@appy mood? WHY do you want to eat when you are clearly not hungry?" And there is always, ALWAYS an answer, whether it is the scale being up or stress (work, boys, whatever), or sadness, or frustration, or anxiety. Sometimes it's physical, like when I've had too much to drink the night before. And I'm learning to identify it BEFORE the eating without hunger. Now, sometimes I do it anyway (progress, not perfection) but I am about 10,000x more successful in NOT doing it than in the past.

For ME, the weighing daily helps me identify and get in touch with the things that may cause those fluctuations. Seeing the scale change by significant amounts daily actually HELPS me see gains--and losses for that matter--for what they truly ARE, water weight. I first noticed this after my second round. (If I had less than a pound fluctuation DAILY, I counted myself lucky.) Too much salt or processed food. Too many nut products or cheese. TOM or ovulation. Exercise. Bernice, or lack thereof. Sometimes, I eat something that my body absolutely does NOT like and I see a significant increase overnight--usually due to an inflammatory reaction to something (I'm hypothyroid and I also "feel" it in my joints so I can usually tell). At that point, I know what I need to expect if I eat that food again. Not that I won't eat it again--just that I know that how my body may react. I'm actually LESS freaked out because I know what caused it, as opposed to blaming the gain or loss on food. Generally speaking, if I can't identify why the scale went up or down, I'll try the exact same foods again, in the same proportions and see if I have the same reaction. Again, just double checking the empirical evidence. When I refer to food "causing" a gain or loss, I know it's not really fat, but water, and in my case that translates to inflammation which I need to really avoid.

Originally Posted by julieboolie

That said, I'm happy to report that I'm finally down today!! 2.2 drop overnight, down to 147.4

Dude! STELLAR loss! Way to rock it!

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I also agree that the next day's weight isn't a true reflection of our actual fat level, but I have noticed, esp. in P3, that if a correction isn't made really close to the indiscretion, the weight becomes more permanent and tough to relose.

Originally Posted by buttah

But let me ask you this. Have ever really tried not freaking out over the gain, but merely going immediately back to the HS (or to eating clean or proper p3 food or whatever), particularly STRICTLY, the next few days or so? Because I have, and the scale always goes back down. Not water weight loss/re-fill down AND back up (correction days that work, but just for one day), but really back down.

Julie, I agree with you on not correcting appropriately and quickly making the gain harder to correct. This completely is born out by what I've experienced the last couple of rounds. I never stabilized after my January or June rounds which I blame on eating too much, too soon, and the wrong things in P3 AND not correcting immediately, but just trying to "eat clean."

And buttah, YES I have tried not freaking out over those gains. I have tried following the gain up with no cd's, with clean P3 days, with what C'Marie calls P2++ days. With the hunger scale, with the Leptin reset, with the Optimal Diet. I've messed with macronutrient proportions and total fat grams and protein grams. I've tried higher calorie, lower calorie, cutting out triggers and possibilities for food sensitivities. And these weren't one day trials--they were all at least 4-5 days long. I have a scientific mindset so I know I have to give something a bit of time to work. And still I saw my weight climbing and climbing and either not stabilizing at all or stabilizing much higher than I'd like.

I DO think there is something to addressing a significant weight gain immediately, even if that gain is just water. FOR ME, this usually shows me that my body doesn't like SOMETHING and that the corresponding inflammatory response needs to be addressed. If I have inflammation, my meds don't work as well. If my meds don't work as well, I get more tired and emotional and experience more pain. If those things happen, it's MUCH easier to dodge the hunger scale and give in to the impulse to use food to make myself feel better. Since my health issues are all hormonal (thyroid, adrenal s$x hormones), I know that any imbalance there has an impact on insulin control which can impact Leptin as well. FOR ME, correcting (however you choose to do it), I think, is less about fixing a fat gain than fixing an immediate inflammatory response that can mess me up in other ways. FOR ME, this usually means dumping that water weight by eating high fat, moderate protein, low carb, lowish calorie for a day. This may or may not be the case for others but given that we are all struggling with weight, I think there may be more than a few of us with, not just Leptin issues, but other hormonal issues that could be impacted by inflammation.

Sorry for the book everyone! Seems that introspection is lingering...

Awesome discussion, everyone!

[shelbyla]

Oh and thanks for letting me thread-crash!

[julieboolie]

Shelby-see, we're cool over here Love having your thoughts, experiences and insight!!

Ditto what Shelby said. I suspect I have a sensitivity to eggs. Discovered this in my last P3. I think. It seems I can overcome it w. low calories overall and small portions. Not done figuring that one out, but it gives me something to watch this time around. "I think there may be more than a few of us with, not just Leptin issues, but other hormonal issues that could be impacted by inflammation"-this is me I'm a hormonal mess! But, hcg works great for me and supplementing my thyroid has helped immensely. But, given my screwy chemicals, and efficient metabolism , I need to address gains quickly as well. But, like you were careful to say, that's ME. And what I've learned over the course of 5 rounds now (depending on how you count ) is to correct immediately. Reminding myself "I can have that later" is crucial in those correction times. I want to be EXTRA vigilant this round. We'll see.

[buttah]

Julie, did you see my question in post #460? (Because you also said that correcting immediately with a "correction day" doesn't always work for you anymore, but just going back to eating "properly" does. I was addressing that. And it is also completely in line with Robin says re: correction "days")

Shelby, we LOVE having you here!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Reddy

Hi Walking Woman! So glad to hear your scale was nice to you this morning.

Mine may get thrown in the trash! I'm UP 1.6 today! So upset. TOM is due today so I'm sure that has something to do with it, but I'm not a happy camper.

I've decided to call this round FOR REAL This time. It's just not working out!

Glad to hear others are doing well though! I will continue to check up on you all from P3!

Sweetie me too My scale gave me like 5 different numbers this morning and I don't know which one to believe. If I had only stepped on it once like we are supposed to it would have been a lovely day. But noooooo I had to be obsessive and step on it like 5 times why do I do that to myself

I hate to add to your woes, but if you end on TOM (like you are) you are more than likely to NOT stabilize on P3. I wish you luck and wish you don't leave our thread. I would like to know how your P3 goes When are you going to do another round?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by walkingwoman

Morning Ladies! I must be early to the party Lol. 8:40 in Az and no posts??

Scale is lovely this am!

Nope. I was working. That darned work always gets in the way

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Sweetie me too My scale gave me like 5 different numbers this morning and I don't know which one to believe. If I had only stepped on it once like we are supposed to it would have been a lovely day. But noooooo I had to be obsessive and step on it like 5 times why do I do that to myself

I hate to add to your woes, but if you end on TOM (like you are) you are more than likely to NOT stabilize on P3. I wish you luck and wish you don't leave our thread. I would like to know how your P3 goes When are you going to do another round?

Dawn I'm sorry your scale is being a jerk too! I agree, I've had days where I wish I would have only stepped on once. It's AMAZING how what the scale says in the morning can really affect my whole day! I hope for you that tomorrow brings a drop. You are totally due and deserve it!!

I did go back down this morning so I'm now .2 over LDW. BUT now you have me all freaked about stabilizing b/c I'm stopping during TOM.

Why do you feel that could be an issue? I am guessing you are speaking from experience, but I'd love to understand more about that. Wish I would have known that a few days ago!

I took my last dose on Tuesday and I was planning to start P3 tomorrow morning. I really really hope I don't have trouble stabilizing. I did so well with it last time!

As for when I"m going to do another round.... I may not for quite a while if at all.

I'm only about 6-7lbs from my goal... so depending on how the next month or two goes, I may just accept this as my weight. I may even be able to start to lose again after I have maintained for a while through exercise and low carb/ low cal? 156 at 5'10 is not a bad number! I think I need to work on Toning now more than anything.

Although I did not even lose 10lbs this round, I believe this round was about Inches for me. I haven't done my measurements yet but I can tell in my clothes.

So I don't think I'll do a round but it's certainly possible that If I have trouble stabilizing or if the holidays get the better of me, I could end up back here

I also will go straight to HCG to get the weight off when Baby #2 comes. But I'm going to wait to get pregnant again for a while. I spent a year trying to get it off, I'd like to enjoy this for at least a few more months before I go and get fat again!

[dawnyama]

No, not experience. I *thought* it was in Pounds and Inches. But to be honest, I have not read it LOL. I just go by what others post about it. Just gently cautioning you---not deeming you to a nightmarish P3 LOL. I certainly think you deserve a great P3 since you got a lousy P2. I hope all goes well, but don't beat yourself up if you go over your LDW. Since TOM can wreak havoc on the scale you might not have an accurate LDW, that is all that I meant by what I posted.

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

No, not experience. I *thought* it was in Pounds and Inches. But to be honest, I have not read it LOL. I just go by what others post about it. Just gently cautioning you---not deeming you to a nightmarish P3 LOL. I certainly think you deserve a great P3 since you got a lousy P2. I hope all goes well, but don't beat yourself up if you go over your LDW. Since TOM can wreak havoc on the scale you might not have an accurate LDW, that is all that I meant by what I posted.

Ahhh ok. That makes me feel slightly better. Confession, I have not read P&I either. For me, TOM came the day AFTER my LDW, although PMS could have definitely played into my numbers on the scale. IDK. But yeah, I'll try not to freak if it's not exactly a perfect P3. I can't expect it to be after the P2 I had.

I know that last time, I was up over LDW for the first week and I WAS starting to freak out. But then by the 2nd and 3rd week I did great, and stabilized well, stayed about 1lb BELOW LDW. So long as I'm in my window, it's all good.

Something that really blew my mind today was realizing that one my LAST VLCD last round I was at 161!!!! (LDW for that round was 164) This time my LDW is 156.8. So that's how LITTLE I actually lost. Crazy. But like I said, I lost inches and I have come to terms with it.

Thanks for the well wishes. I hope this round gets you to your goal. I know it will! I'll be back to check on my P2 buddies for sure!

[Stevie Renee]

Hi all...great,thoughtful posts and I too enjoyed Shelby's insight.

I am going to wrap this round up and consider going back after our mini vacation next week. We were not supposed to go until October but changed it up so that changed my plans. I sure would like a round with no issues, delays or interruptions. But oh well. I do not know how many "pounds" in total I lost but I do fit better in my clothes after a fluffy summer! I have a goal still and will keep fighting to get there.

Buttah, again, loved reading all the posts about WLA and Robin. I printed out a lot of stuff and read it slowly.

Do not know how much I can post from here on out. Home school is in full swing and I really want to ensure I do not over spend time on the net.

This has been an interesting 3 weeks to say the least! hahaha

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by Stevie Renee

Hi all...great,thoughtful posts and I too enjoyed Shelby's insight.

I am going to wrap this round up and consider going back after our mini vacation next week. We were not supposed to go until October but changed it up so that changed my plans. I sure would like a round with no issues, delays or interruptions. But oh well. I do not know how many "pounds" in total I lost but I do fit better in my clothes after a fluffy summer! I have a goal still and will keep fighting to get there.

Buttah, again, loved reading all the posts about WLA and Robin. I printed out a lot of stuff and read it slowly.

Do not know how much I can post from here on out. Home school is in full swing and I really want to ensure I do not over spend time on the net.

This has been an interesting 3 weeks to say the least! hahaha

Wishing you the best of luck Stevie! Have a great trip!!! I hope to see you around the boards in the future!

And great idea about printing out everything. I think I will do that too so I can read it slowly when I have a moment.

[buttah]

Stevie, I hope you'll pop in from time to time. We'll miss seeing you!

Reddy, I'm sure you will stabilize fine, especially when you've done it before. I HAVE read P & I, about 15 times, and there is nothing in there about stopping at TOM that I can recall.
I always lose after TOM, so who knows... you may get an extra cushion.

I like likely end around 6,7 pounds from goal, too, and I can tell you there is NO way I would do a round for that amount. I'd be RUNNING back to JUDDD to tackle those pounds. However, if I revise my goal, say 10 pounds lower, then I might. I don't know. I said one round, and I meant it. We'll see.

But I'd say your weight is pretty good for 5'10" I wish I were 5'10"!!!

[buttah]

I wanted to mention, for those interested, that Robin's FB page also has links to a new discussion forum. I haven't checked it out yet, but plan to. It has the words "hunger scale" in it.

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by buttah

I wanted to mention, for those interested, that Robin's FB page also has links to a new discussion forum. I haven't checked it out yet, but plan to. It has the words "hunger scale" in it.

I have been trying to catch up on posts since being MIA for a few weeks. This discussion has been awesome & I am very intrigued by it. What do you have to do in order to get on Robin's FB page?

[buttah]

just go there!! It's the title of her book. And there's another one that's "Body Mind Method" or something like that. But if you want to post, you might want to make an alias FB identity, or others may see what you post there. But you can read no matter what!

And REDDY, this is for you! I was just there (guys, there are SO MANY great Q and A's on that page), and guess what question I saw? I'm cutting and pasting for you:

"A friend of mine said she read somewhere that women seem to have a harder time stabilizing in P3 if they end their round near their menstrual cycle... have you come across any of this?"

Weight-Loss Apocalypse "Nope. Never. But we use body fat compositions to assess whats going on, which makes obvious fluid shifting. Also the strict adaptation to hunger may also be why our patients stabilize at any point in their mensrual cycle. It isnt enough concern for us to even document or discuss it. We've never had a problem.

Weight-Loss Apocalypse "We also never do correction days. Correction days throw you hormones all over the place."

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by buttah

just go there!! It's the title of her book. And there's another one that's "Body Mind Method" or something like that. But if you want to post, you might want to make an alias FB identity, or others may see what you post there. But you can read no matter what!

And REDDY, this is for you! I was just there (guys, there are SO MANY great Q and A's on that page), and guess what question I saw? I'm cutting and pasting for you:

"A friend of mine said she read somewhere that women seem to have a harder time stabilizing in P3 if they end their round near their menstrual cycle... have you come across any of this?"

Weight-Loss Apocalypse "Nope. Never. But we use body fat compositions to assess whats going on, which makes obvious fluid shifting. Also the strict adaptation to hunger may also be why our patients stabilize at any point in their mensrual cycle. It isnt enough concern for us to even document or discuss it. We've never had a problem.

Weight-Loss Apocalypse "We also never do correction days. Correction days throw you hormones all over the place."

Wow Thank you Buttah! You're the best! I need to go check out that page!!!

What does Robin suggest you do instead of a CD? Like what if you're out of your window by like 2 or 3lbs. How do you get back down? Clean low cal/ low carb or something more?

[buttah]

Originally Posted by Reddy

What does Robin suggest you do instead of a CD? Like what if you're out of your window by like 2 or 3lbs. How do you get back down? Clean low cal/ low carb or something more?

Dude, I've only been harping on that question for, like, pages and pages in this thread. Can you go back and read?

[buttah]

In short, LIVE between 3.5 and 5.5 on the hunger scale. It will go back down! And heere's another snippet that I hope will intrigue you enough to read WLA or at least see the FB page:

"It is normal to have a weight stall during the TOM. However, the weight stall doesn't mean you aren't continueing to lose fat. Throughout my observations, fat loss goes down linearly as lean weight fluctuates up and down (sometimes up towards 8-10 pounds a day). I don't suggest you use the scale to indicate whether the hCG is working or not. A more intelligent idea is whether hunger is managable or not. When you get closer to the end of the book, I go into much more detail on the hormones and why the scale is just a pile of crap information."

[Reddy]

Originally Posted by buttah

Dude, I've only been harping on that question for, like, pages and pages in this thread. Can you go back and read?

Yes I'm sorry! I admit I skimmed a lot of stuff yesterday due to a rough and busy day. My apologies!

Love that you called me dude!!!

Seriously I feel like a dummy for even asking!

[Reddy]

PS I did peek at her page. So much great info and you can ask her questions which is awesome!

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by Reddy

Yes I'm sorry! I admit I skimmed a lot of stuff yesterday due to a rough and busy day. My apologies!

Love that you called me dude!!!

Seriously I feel like a dummy for even asking!

Me too...LOL. I've been gone a long time...just checking in periodically. I know she prolly answered my question pages ago...just easier to re-ask, tho.