P2 Simeon's Protocol Week of 7/9

[dawnyama]

Here is our new thread for the week!! Have a great one

[HappyChick]

Saving my spot here! Thanks, Dawn!

[Chouter]

YAY, a new week!

Well, I did not have the big drop of a VLCD #1 that I usually have. I only lost .7, down to 172.2. Ugh. But, I'm pretty sure I know why. I hate to label myself "rogue", but the one difference in this round for me is that I am exercising. And not just any exercise, but Crossfit. Yesterday I went full out for 25:40 minutes, so that probably had something to do with it. I think I am going to have to live with slower losses, because I'm not giving up Crossfit.

Off to work, have a great day everyone!

[llanx]

Back down to my pre-vacation weight, phew ...
How should you generally feel after 2 weeks of HCG? I am near end of wk#3, but I have been feeling very weak and ravenous for about a week now. Is this normal? I want to go to 40 days, but I don't know if I can last that long

[tay65]

I can't wait to gt my pellets!!!!

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by llanx

Back down to my pre-vacation weight, phew ...
How should you generally feel after 2 weeks of HCG? I am near end of wk#3, but I have been feeling very weak and ravenous for about a week now. Is this normal? I want to go to 40 days, but I don't know if I can last that long

That is not a good sign and an indication your hCG may have lost potency. Are you on rX or homeopathic? If it is rX, that just means it is time to compound a new batch. If it is homeopathic, then it sounds like your bottle may have gone bad.

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by Chouter

YAY, a new week!

Well, I did not have the big drop of a VLCD #1 that I usually have. I only lost .7, down to 172.2. Ugh. But, I'm pretty sure I know why. I hate to label myself "rogue", but the one difference in this round for me is that I am exercising. And not just any exercise, but Crossfit. Yesterday I went full out for 25:40 minutes, so that probably had something to do with it. I think I am going to have to live with slower losses, because I'm not giving up Crossfit.

Off to work, have a great day everyone!

Exercise isn't rogue! It's just that our stamina is poor in P2 and most of us have to dial it back a bit. It shouldn't negatively effect the scale in the long run, especially if you have been doing it for awhile .

I work out in P2 as well, I just naturally shorten the duration and lower the intensity to make up for my lack of energy. It all works out on the scale, I promise! I'm sorry your losses weren't greater, but remember it is FAT loss we're concerned with, not weight loss, per se, and fat loss isn't always accurately shown on a scale in the short term. But that is what WILL make a difference in your shape and those inches will go. Be patient and stick with it

[Arctic_Mama]

This morning I am down to 165.8 - high school weight! Excuse me while I fall over in shock. My original weight 'goal' was 160 and I can't believe I am coming up on it. Yay!

[llanx]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

That is not a good sign and an indication your hCG may have lost potency. Are you on rX or homeopathic? If it is rX, that just means it is time to compound a new batch. If it is homeopathic, then it sounds like your bottle may have gone bad.

I am on inter-mountain pellet, just brought from netrition last month. I kept it in a drawer at work about 3 ft from a computer. Do you think that would be the problem? Thanks a lot.

[Berta48]

Hello Ladies
Well today is my 1st VLC w/o HCG.I was up a lb again.


This round has been a total loss almost. But no one to blame but myself.I am really aggravated at myself for not sticking with protocol the entire time. No one to blame but me.

I started out at 260. and today was 253.8 It has definetley been a roller coster ride as the first round I had lost 20 lbs now I am still at 20 lbs. But my last PH3 & 4 were terrible trying to maintain too.

So anyway I will decide what I am ging to do when I get home from vacation the 20th. I may stay with PH3 for the four weeks then go back to PH2. I will have to wait and see. I may just take a break for awhile and start over later at this point I am not certain of anything concerning dieting. So until then everyone have a great time on plan and I will check back with everyone when I get home. Maybe before we leave.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Exercise isn't rogue! It's just that our stamina is poor in P2 and most of us have to dial it back a bit. It shouldn't negatively effect the scale in the long run, especially if you have been doing it for awhile .

I work out in P2 as well, I just naturally shorten the duration and lower the intensity to make up for my lack of energy. It all works out on the scale, I promise! I'm sorry your losses weren't greater, but remember it is FAT loss we're concerned with, not weight loss, per se, and fat loss isn't always accurately shown on a scale in the short term. But that is what WILL make a difference in your shape and those inches will go. Be patient and stick with it

Boy do I know this. I have been about the same number on the scale since Friday Not too happy about that. But I will say that when I put my uniform pants on this morning they were so big on me. I wore these just on Saturday and I didn't feel that they were fitting like this at all. So I know the inches are coming off, even though it is not reflected in scale weight. So everything works out in the end Let's hear it for smaller thighs

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

This morning I am down to 165.8 - high school weight! Excuse me while I fall over in shock. My original weight 'goal' was 160 and I can't believe I am coming up on it. Yay!

Yay

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Hello Ladies
Well today is my 1st VLC w/o HCG.I was up a lb again.


This round has been a total loss almost. But no one to blame but myself.I am really aggravated at myself for not sticking with protocol the entire time. No one to blame but me.

I started out at 260. and today was 253.8 It has definetley been a roller coster ride as the first round I had lost 20 lbs now I am still at 20 lbs. But my last PH3 & 4 were terrible trying to maintain too.

So anyway I will decide what I am ging to do when I get home from vacation the 20th. I may stay with PH3 for the four weeks then go back to PH2. I will have to wait and see. I may just take a break for awhile and start over later at this point I am not certain of anything concerning dieting. So until then everyone have a great time on plan and I will check back with everyone when I get home. Maybe before we leave.

Right now sounds like the homeopathic worked out better for you but we shall await the results of this round when you get back from vacation. Sorry you didn't do so well, but you have learned the valuable lesson--stick to the plan!!! That is how it works best

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by llanx

I am on inter-mountain pellet, just brought from netrition last month. I kept it in a drawer at work about 3 ft from a computer. Do you think that would be the problem? Thanks a lot.

I wish I could better advise you, I don't deal in hhCG or know more than the basics about it. Someone else will have a better answer

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Boy do I know this. I have been about the same number on the scale since Friday Not too happy about that. But I will say that when I put my uniform pants on this morning they were so big on me. I wore these just on Saturday and I didn't feel that they were fitting like this at all. So I know the inches are coming off, even though it is not reflected in scale weight. So everything works out in the end Let's hear it for smaller thighs

Inch loss is really where it is at. That's one of the things I love about my TTap, too. I don't care if I weigh three hundred pounds - if I am healthy, energetic, metabolically sound, and fit into cute tiny clothes, does it really matter whether I'm light as a feather? Strong and trim is more my goal than waif

Bravo on the pants being loose! Nothing feels worse than tight pants!

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Hello Ladies
Well today is my 1st VLC w/o HCG.I was up a lb again.


This round has been a total loss almost. But no one to blame but myself.I am really aggravated at myself for not sticking with protocol the entire time. No one to blame but me.

I started out at 260. and today was 253.8 It has definetley been a roller coster ride as the first round I had lost 20 lbs now I am still at 20 lbs. But my last PH3 & 4 were terrible trying to maintain too.

So anyway I will decide what I am ging to do when I get home from vacation the 20th. I may stay with PH3 for the four weeks then go back to PH2. I will have to wait and see. I may just take a break for awhile and start over later at this point I am not certain of anything concerning dieting. So until then everyone have a great time on plan and I will check back with everyone when I get home. Maybe before we leave.

Sheesh Berta, I'm sorry . That stinks big time, but because hCG liberates fat stores it also works in reverse - if we cheat in it the food goes EASILY and QUICKLY into those stores and the scale swings hugely.

Unlike Dawn, I think you had a better rXhCG round, since you weren't hungry and lost well overall. But rX is very unforgiving for going off plan.

Live, learn, and do good FULL maintenance breaks and another round later, right? No shorting P3 and P4, they are NECESSARY, even moreso of rx hcg than homeopathic. Just be patient with your losses, stick to your plan like glue, and the weight WILL come off and stay off.


Enjoy your vacation and give us lots of updates when you get back. I am going to have to live vicariously through you, since we already did our trip for the year

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Unlike Dawn, I think you had a better rXhCG round, since you weren't hungry and lost well overall. But rX is very unforgiving for going off plan.

Yay for no hunger but boo for less pounds lost this round.

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by llanx

Back down to my pre-vacation weight, phew ...
How should you generally feel after 2 weeks of HCG? I am near end of wk#3, but I have been feeling very weak and ravenous for about a week now. Is this normal? I want to go to 40 days, but I don't know if I can last that long

Good for you being back down!! That sounds like the end of round signal. I've ended rounds when I start to feel that way taking it as my body's way of saying "we're done here!". I'd hang in as long as you can (23days for full round) then move on to P3. I get depleted by the end of a round, like I'm running out of steam. HTH!

Taryl-that's so exciting!! HS weight? Great job!! Way to push through that challenge!!

Dawn-congrats on the looser pants!! I'd totally take that right now!! I'm most interested in getting back in my skinnier clothes.

Plugging away w. VLCD5 here . Had lunch and am hungry now . Gonna' go dose then maybe have my apple or some cucumbers. Hope it passes quickly. Not too bad overall. Down to siggy weight now. Onward and downward!!

[Arctic_Mama]

Sometimes just pushing through is the best we can do, Julie. That hunger better go away soon, it is NOT welcome. Boo hunger!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Sheesh Berta, I'm sorry . That stinks big time, but because hCG liberates fat stores it also works in reverse - if we cheat in it the food goes EASILY and QUICKLY into those stores and the scale swings hugely.

Unlike Dawn, I think you had a better rXhCG round, since you weren't hungry and lost well overall. But rX is very unforgiving for going off plan.

Live, learn, and do good FULL maintenance breaks and another round later, right? No shorting P3 and P4, they are NECESSARY, even moreso of rx hcg than homeopathic. Just be patient with your losses, stick to your plan like glue, and the weight WILL come off and stay off.


Enjoy your vacation and give us lots of updates when you get back. I am going to have to live vicariously through you, since we already did our trip for the year

I am going to do PH3 even when I get home and on to PH4 so how long this time for BOTH PHASES? I am thinking four weeks ph3 four ph4. Is that correct? By then I should have a good mind set to go PH2 again! I may do JUDDD when I return home on the 20th.

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Right now sounds like the homeopathic worked out better for you but we shall await the results of this round when you get back from vacation. Sorry you didn't do so well, but you have learned the valuable lesson--stick to the plan!!! That is how it works best

Dawn
I would have lost just as well had I staid on protocol.But I didn't.
I do not know why either becasue I would eat a bite of this... a bite of that the entire time and no hunger. It doesn't make sense to me as to why I did? No rhyme or reason I just didn't. But not being hungry for one second in 23 days is worth the switch to me.

Also I went 30 day last round lost 20 lbs. I think it was 30 days? I went 23 days this time and had lost ten lbs until the 4th since then it's been up and down.

Yeah on the losoe pants that's awesome. KUTGW

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Hello Ladies
Well today is my 1st VLC w/o HCG.I was up a lb again.


This round has been a total loss almost. But no one to blame but myself.I am really aggravated at myself for not sticking with protocol the entire time. No one to blame but me.

I started out at 260. and today was 253.8 It has definetley been a roller coster ride as the first round I had lost 20 lbs now I am still at 20 lbs. But my last PH3 & 4 were terrible trying to maintain too.

So anyway I will decide what I am ging to do when I get home from vacation the 20th. I may stay with PH3 for the four weeks then go back to PH2. I will have to wait and see. I may just take a break for awhile and start over later at this point I am not certain of anything concerning dieting. So until then everyone have a great time on plan and I will check back with everyone when I get home. Maybe before we leave.

Hey Berta

So sorry to hear of you struggling. Just remember we have all BTDT...(been there done that).

What you need to do...pick yourself up off the ground, dust off, and continue on. Move on to a low-carb program for now. I know you don't have much experience in it, but read-up on it. IMO...low carb is one of the easiest programs to be on while away from home. Even if you don't lose much on it...it is an excellent way to maintain and get to eat yummy stuff Plus this could be a prep. for loading days. AND...you will be ready to hop on to HCG after you settle in from your trip. Don't give Hcg up for good. You do really well on it...especially w/ your thyroid issues, edema, etc. You were exceeding the average daily 1/2 lb...I have hit 25 lbs. this round, but at almost 60 days...so I'm averaging less...but I have seen more inches lost this round...funny how that works!

PLEASE don't give it up entirely...you know what happens...discouragement settles in...then you will gain back and then some. Don't do that to yourself...stay strong & beautiful!

I was reading just this morning a section of Pounds & Inches and Dr. S talks about veering off protocol for any amount of time and how we need to jump back in where we are at...whether it was one meal or more. Start with the next meal...in other words. He states that it is NOT the end of the world. And it's not, but of course, it's easier said than done, right? LOL I will try to find it again...it was very eye-opening even after I had already read it previously.

If you think low carb may be of help...do not hesitate to ask me about ideas for eating...especially on the road, eating out, etc. I can recite low carb in my sleep I love it and is my WOE when not on HCG...just wish it had faster results like HCG.

Love ya

[llanx]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Good for you being back down!! That sounds like the end of round signal. I've ended rounds when I start to feel that way taking it as my body's way of saying "we're done here!". I'd hang in as long as you can (23days for full round) then move on to P3. I get depleted by the end of a round, like I'm running out of steam. HTH!

Thanks, Julie.
Tomorrow is my 23rd day on hcg, I am seriously thinking of stop then. Just had lunch with ~7oz of tilapia and celery, still all I can thinking of now is what else I can eat I am going to go for another pot of coffee!

[christyb]

Ok guys, help me out. . .

I am soooo hungry today! And I haven't been hungry since the very beginning. I also have a bad headache that won't seem to go away.

Last night I barely slept. I'm not sure why but I just laid there forever. I had to get up early because I was watching my friend's kids at 7am and ended up only getting 2 hours of sleep. I was down 1.2 pounds this morning.

I usually don't eat anything until around 1 or 2pm. It's just what has worked best for me. But today I couldn't go that long (maybe cause i was up several hours earlier than normal). I ate a grissini at 10ish and an apple at 12:30. I took the kids to the park and by the time I got home at about 2:30 I was starved so I ate my meatballs. I was still hungry when I finished them.

I tried to eat a piece of celery plain, but ick! I managed to choke down some cucumber but that didn't last long. So I'm sitting here starving again and worried that if I eat something now I'll be super hungry later and be out of food.

I emailed the nurse who is in charge of my plan and she asked how my weight loss was doing because she wondered if the hunger is signalling that it's time for me to end this round. Please tell me it's not!! I was really, really hoping to go 40 days. Today is day 26 for me (VLCD24). I'm on RX injections, btw.

Any thoughts or suggestions? Has this happened to anyone else?


ETA: Yesterday and today I have been peeing non-stop. I swear I have to get up several times an hour to go!! What is going on here!?!?

[Arctic_Mama]

Berta - after your second round you do three weeks of P3 and then five weeks of P4.

[Chouter]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Exercise isn't rogue! It's just that our stamina is poor in P2 and most of us have to dial it back a bit. It shouldn't negatively effect the scale in the long run, especially if you have been doing it for awhile .

I work out in P2 as well, I just naturally shorten the duration and lower the intensity to make up for my lack of energy. It all works out on the scale, I promise! I'm sorry your losses weren't greater, but remember it is FAT loss we're concerned with, not weight loss, per se, and fat loss isn't always accurately shown on a scale in the short term. But that is what WILL make a difference in your shape and those inches will go. Be patient and stick with it

I'm glad the exercise isn't rogue, but perhaps a bit more protein to help me power through the workouts

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by christyb

Ok guys, help me out. . .

I am soooo hungry today! And I haven't been hungry since the very beginning. I also have a bad headache that won't seem to go away.

Last night I barely slept. I'm not sure why but I just laid there forever. I had to get up early because I was watching my friend's kids at 7am and ended up only getting 2 hours of sleep. I was down 1.2 pounds this morning.

I usually don't eat anything until around 1 or 2pm. It's just what has worked best for me. But today I couldn't go that long (maybe cause i was up several hours earlier than normal). I ate a grissini at 10ish and an apple at 12:30. I took the kids to the park and by the time I got home at about 2:30 I was starved so I ate my meatballs. I was still hungry when I finished them.

I tried to eat a piece of celery plain, but ick! I managed to choke down some cucumber but that didn't last long. So I'm sitting here starving again and worried that if I eat something now I'll be super hungry later and be out of food.

I emailed the nurse who is in charge of my plan and she asked how my weight loss was doing because she wondered if the hunger is signalling that it's time for me to end this round. Please tell me it's not!! I was really, really hoping to go 40 days. Today is day 26 for me (VLCD24). I'm on RX injections, btw.

Any thoughts or suggestions? Has this happened to anyone else?


ETA: Yesterday and today I have been peeing non-stop. I swear I have to get up several times an hour to go!! What is going on here!?!?

Generally hunger means a potency issue with your doses, I'd get fresh hCG and use that. Drinking hot tea and broth helps, but I find I get hungry when I'm dropping bunches of weight, too, and in moderation it's not a bad sign. If you feel starving I'd say it may be wiser to end your round or get fresh hcg.

Today I'm eating a ton of celery dipped in waldenfarms dressing as my veggie and that is very filling. Mustard works well, too, so long as it isn't oil based.

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by Chouter

I'm glad the exercise isn't rogue, but perhaps a bit more protein to help me power through the workouts

I would NOT do additional protein, but it is your choice. Too many calories and the protocol ceases to work effectively. Wiser to dial down your workouts that increase any of your food!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I would NOT do additional protein, but it is your choice. Too many calories and the protocol ceases to work effectively. Wiser to dial down your workouts that increase any of your food!

Someone on this board is doing this very thing--increasing her protein to account for a decrease in calories. She is not losing. She is actually gaining. I suggest the very same thing as mama. No need to increase protein. Do not do hard core stuff on P2. I had to quit my weight workouts because I had no energy to do them. I do continue to walk and that is doing it for me! Losing just fine, no exhaustion, no starving either.

[Chouter]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Someone on this board is doing this very thing--increasing her protein to account for a decrease in calories. She is not losing. She is actually gaining. I suggest the very same thing as mama. No need to increase protein. Do not do hard core stuff on P2. I had to quit my weight workouts because I had no energy to do them. I do continue to walk and that is doing it for me! Losing just fine, no exhaustion, no starving either.

Stopping my workouts would bum me out! I could cut back to maybe twice a week, but scaling them down, hmmm, really don't want to do that. Guess I'll stick to protocol and see how I do. If I am losing well, I'll probably scale back, since it's only for a little while. Ugh. I love my workouts!

[christyb]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Generally hunger means a potency issue with your doses, I'd get fresh hCG and use that. Drinking hot tea and broth helps, but I find I get hungry when I'm dropping bunches of weight, too, and in moderation it's not a bad sign. If you feel starving I'd say it may be wiser to end your round or get fresh hcg.

Today I'm eating a ton of celery dipped in waldenfarms dressing as my veggie and that is very filling. Mustard works well, too, so long as it isn't oil based.

Thanks for your quick response! I get new syringes every week from the doctor. I go tomorrow so I'll get a new batch then.

I like the idea of being hungry when you're losing lots of weight! I'll hope for that!!

The past several days have been all wacky. I slept really late and dosed late on Saturday. Slept late on Sunday. Slept only two hours last night and started my day much earlier.

Anyhow, I'm just praying it goes away and I can continue for a bit longer!