P2 Simeon's Protocol Week of 7/9

[julieboolie]

I too ramped back my workouts since staring P2. 2 days a week, lower reps on weights, and less intense cardio. I do want to keep working out though!

Christy- sorry for the hunger. Mine is def not bad, occasionally my tummy grumbles but it passes. Sounds like you're beyond that point. . Hope the nurse can help you. I'm not informed on Rx.

I'm off to the gym. Maybe some cardio and some weights too. Taking dd (12) too .

[shelbyla]

Hi P2'ers!

FWIW - I did some pretty strenuous exercise on this last P2 (Bikram yoga--aka 90 minutes of HE77) and didn't have too many issues with it because I had been doing it for a while before I started my round. I found the key FOR ME was timing my meals. I usually ate my protein/grissini/veg about an hour before I worked out then had my fruit afterwards. I found that worked for me as far as not needing to increase protein. The only time I had trouble was when they jacked the temp up to 125 in the studio but I blame that on the completely agro instructor and not the P2... JMHO and YMMV, yada yada.

[Chouter]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Hi P2'ers!

FWIW - I did some pretty strenuous exercise on this last P2 (Bikram yoga--aka 90 minutes of HE77) and didn't have too many issues with it because I had been doing it for a while before I started my round. I found the key FOR ME was timing my meals. I usually ate my protein/grissini/veg about an hour before I worked out then had my fruit afterwards. I found that worked for me as far as not needing to increase protein. The only time I had trouble was when they jacked the temp up to 125 in the studio but I blame that on the completely agro instructor and not the P2... JMHO and YMMV, yada yada.

Thanks for this info. I was wondering about exactly that, given that we get so little food. I find it difficult to go all out when I have a full stomach, but there is nothing close to "full" on P2, so the meal closer to the workout might just do the trick!

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by llanx

Thanks, Julie.
Tomorrow is my 23rd day on hcg, I am seriously thinking of stop then. Just had lunch with ~7oz of tilapia and celery, still all I can thinking of now is what else I can eat I am going to go for another pot of coffee!

I missed this post - is this a typo or did you eat seven ounces of meat for lunch? Protocol is 100 grams raw weight, or about 3.5 ounces, and it works the best to stick to that. Even if you are forgoing fruit and grissini the caloric different should be made up in veggies, not protein. If you're trying to go rogue and I missed it please disregard, but in general sticking to the protocol like glue is the best idea. I know it can be hard (last week was a nightmare for me!) but it isn't forever, I promise! Just be diligent and don't cheat, it pays off!

[Arctic_Mama]

I think I need a bullhorn with "The Protocol Thumper" on the side in big, red letters. Sorry for my soapboxing, ladies

[Lori37]

First day of phase 2. Hunger is pretty much under control, every now and then I get a hunger pang but it passes quickly.
I've been very nauseated today. Is that normal?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I think I need a bullhorn with "The Protocol Thumper" on the side in big, red letters. Sorry for my soapboxing, ladies

Taryl--I used to be the only one who would spout off----protocol this and protocol says to do this. And Dr Simeons' says......no one else would do that with me. I am so glad to find that someone else believes as I do. Original protocol is best.

[Chouter]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Taryl--I used to be the only one who would spout off----protocol this and protocol says to do this. And Dr Simeons' says......no one else would do that with me. I am so glad to find that someone else believes as I do. Original protocol is best.

True story.

And what would this place be without you here to answer our questions? You are appreciated!

Oh, guess what? A car just crashed into my old Starbucks! Three people hurt, but apparently not seriously. My husband was on the scene, he said it was shocking!

[dbunny]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I missed this post - is this a typo or did you eat seven ounces of meat for lunch? Protocol is 100 grams raw weight, or about 3.5 ounces, and it works the best to stick to that. Even if you are forgoing fruit and grissini the caloric different should be made up in veggies, not protein. If you're trying to go rogue and I missed it please disregard, but in general sticking to the protocol like glue is the best idea. I know it can be hard (last week was a nightmare for me!) but it isn't forever, I promise! Just be diligent and don't cheat, it pays off!

Maybe she did what I did yesterday~ I missed my lunch yesterday, so in the evening I had 7 oz of sirloin with asparagus. I have done that on a couple occasions with normal losses the next day.
Down 1 pound for a total of 11 so far! Anxious for my official weekly weigh in on Friday

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Chouter

True story.

And what would this place be without you here to answer our questions? You are appreciated!

Oh, guess what? A car just crashed into my old Starbucks! Three people hurt, but apparently not seriously. My husband was on the scene, he said it was shocking!

OMG!! That is shocking. And to have your DH on the scene too

Oh, and I do remember Peggy (Torister) would tell EVERYONE to do it by the book too. No nonsense with her. Loved it!

[temekayoung]

Hi ladies, i was wondering if we can use coconut flavor since we cant use coconut oil??? I was thinking about adding it to my shrimp with some other seasonings( fake thai shrimp)?? Also can we have miracle noodles?? I found some at my local Whole Foods market. Weight is steady, no increase or decrease but im still losing inches. I have been back on protocol since my potato incident hopefully the scale will move down in the morning!!!! Also, do you think i could be drinking too much water?? I drink about 140 ounces a day. Just wondering, i heard a lady on youtube talking about too much water will stall you. Hope everyone has great releases!!! :-)

[manders]

Hello all!

I'm down to 186.4 today from 188.0 yesterday. My stomach issues seem to have resolved themselves. It's hot as all get out here (for Canada ) so I have been drinking obnoxious amounts of water. I fell off the no-soda wagon today but I just desperately needed something cold to drink and it was the closest thing.

I did go out to breakfast this morning with my mom. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions and words of encouragement. I'm pretty limited to what I can eat, as I can't have any wheat products, milk or leafy-type food. Lettuce just kills my stomach. So I ended up having 2 eggs, 2 sausages, 2 pieces of bacon and a cup of fruit. Definitely off plan but as long as I'm not gaining, I'm okay.

I have to say, ever since going wheat and milk-free, I find not cheating is way easier. Normally I would have added a full stack of pancakes in with that breakfast, but I know how sick I feel for days after, so saying NO! is much easier now. That said, I could still eat an entire package of bacon.

I haven't seen Temeka in a few days. Where are you girl?!

Oh, there you are LOL!

[manders]

I also wanted to mention that when I was looking at myself in the mirror today, I noticed my hip bones were showing a little bit and I got ridiculously excited. I have never been this small in my adult life, so I'm in 100% virgin territory. It's scary but exciting. I'm discovering new things about my body every day.

[temekayoung]

Mmmm panckes....,oh Hi Manders!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! I am so happy for you and envious of that bacon and sausage. Im still around, i have been staying on plan and decided to not look at the scale so much. I will only weigh myself every couple of days. If i dont see a loss everyday it makes me feel like everything is in vain. Then i want to cheat. Sooo im trying to cut myself off at the path.

[manders]

Originally Posted by temekayoung

Mmmm panckes....,oh Hi Manders!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! I am so happy for you and envious of that bacon and sausage. Im still around, i have been staying on plan and decided to not look at the scale so much. I will only weigh myself every couple of days. If i dont see a loss everyday it makes me feel like everything is in vain. Then i want to cheat. Sooo im trying to cut myself off at the path.

Thanks girl! Sometimes I try not to weigh myself every day because I fluctuate CONSTANTLY.

You've done incredibly well for your first round despite a couple incidents, and sometimes you really need to be proud of what you've accomplished so far!

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by temekayoung

Hi ladies, i was wondering if we can use coconut flavor since we cant use coconut oil??? I was thinking about adding it to my shrimp with some other seasonings( fake thai shrimp)?? Also can we have miracle noodles?? I found some at my local Whole Foods market. Weight is steady, no increase or decrease but im still losing inches. I have been back on protocol since my potato incident hopefully the scale will move down in the morning!!!! Also, do you think i could be drinking too much water?? I drink about 140 ounces a day. Just wondering, i heard a lady on youtube talking about too much water will stall you. Hope everyone has great releases!!! :-)

Coconut flavoring, like extract or drops, sure. So long as it is zero calories. Miracle noodles are a big no - they can lead to awful water retention and stalls. Save those for maintenance

As for too much water, drink to your thirst and make sure you're getting enough sodium and minerals to go with it. Don't force water. If you're not thirsty, don't drink. Expect the scale to be wonky for at least a week thanks to the potato. It's much more likely to be that, and not water, causing issues.

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by manders

Hello all!

I'm down to 186.4 today from 188.0 yesterday. My stomach issues seem to have resolved themselves. It's hot as all get out here (for Canada ) so I have been drinking obnoxious amounts of water. I fell off the no-soda wagon today but I just desperately needed something cold to drink and it was the closest thing.

I did go out to breakfast this morning with my mom. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions and words of encouragement. I'm pretty limited to what I can eat, as I can't have any wheat products, milk or leafy-type food. Lettuce just kills my stomach. So I ended up having 2 eggs, 2 sausages, 2 pieces of bacon and a cup of fruit. Definitely off plan but as long as I'm not gaining, I'm okay.

I have to say, ever since going wheat and milk-free, I find not cheating is way easier. Normally I would have added a full stack of pancakes in with that breakfast, but I know how sick I feel for days after, so saying NO! is much easier now. That said, I could still eat an entire package of bacon.

I haven't seen Temeka in a few days. Where are you girl?!

Oh, there you are LOL!

You're still in P2, correct? It isn't just 'not gaining' we're seeking, but stabilized long term weights and maintenance. That is what cheats can more insidiously affect. I'm sure you don't want to hear this, but complaining about scale problems one day and cheating badly another is not the way to succeed.

Stick to the protocol as much as you can, or perhaps pick a plan that is more flexible for social obligations. I've made it through three holidays (Christmas, Easter, and 4th of July all on P2), numerous birthdays, public campaign events and church socials sipping tea and coffee or snacking on strawberries and celery. I promise, if I can do it, ANYBODY can

I really hope this doesn't affects your progress going forward, especially with nice changes like feeling your hip bones. It's just a few weeks, we can do ANYTHING for a few weeks, right!?

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Berta - after your second round you do three weeks of P3 and then five weeks of P4.

Okay thanks Taryl I think I will just let this vial of HCG go as it was a free one anywayI recieved three free for ordering because I had canceled and they said if I didn't cancel they would send me 3 free so that is what I did I recieved 14 instead of 12. So I still have enough for six more rounds.

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Hey Berta

So sorry to hear of you struggling. Just remember we have all BTDT...(been there done that).

What you need to do...pick yourself up off the ground, dust off, and continue on. Move on to a low-carb program for now. I know you don't have much experience in it, but read-up on it. IMO...low carb is one of the easiest programs to be on while away from home. Even if you don't lose much on it...it is an excellent way to maintain and get to eat yummy stuff Plus this could be a prep. for loading days. AND...you will be ready to hop on to HCG after you settle in from your trip. Don't give Hcg up for good. You do really well on it...especially w/ your thyroid issues, edema, etc. You were exceeding the average daily 1/2 lb...I have hit 25 lbs. this round, but at almost 60 days...so I'm averaging less...but I have seen more inches lost this round...funny how that works!

PLEASE don't give it up entirely...you know what happens...discouragement settles in...then you will gain back and then some. Don't do that to yourself...stay strong & beautiful!

I was reading just this morning a section of Pounds & Inches and Dr. S talks about veering off protocol for any amount of time and how we need to jump back in where we are at...whether it was one meal or more. Start with the next meal...in other words. He states that it is NOT the end of the world. And it's not, but of course, it's easier said than done, right? LOL I will try to find it again...it was very eye-opening even after I had already read it previously.

If you think low carb may be of help...do not hesitate to ask me about ideas for eating...especially on the road, eating out, etc. I can recite low carb in my sleep I love it and is my WOE when not on HCG...just wish it had faster results like HCG.

Love ya

Awww than you friend I am not quitting I am just taking a break. I need someo info on how to eat low carb.I know no bread or sugar. BUT that's so hard especially when you want a baked potato or roll when you go out for dinner.Guess I could do sweet potato insted not my favorite but they are ok. I can pass on the roll but the toast and hashbrowns at breakfast will be the hardest not to eat.

Tell me all the goodies I can have and I will pick and choose. Is there a limit on serving size? I am sure there is but what are they. I will need help to do LC.

Thanks Angela I appreciate you and your friendship and encouragement.I needed it about now

[manders]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

You're still in P2, correct? It isn't just 'not gaining' we're seeking, but stabilized long term weights and maintenance. That is what cheats can more insidiously affect. I'm sure you don't want to hear this, but complaining about scale problems one day and cheating badly another is not the way to succeed.

Stick to the protocol as much as you can, or perhaps pick a plan that is more flexible for social obligations. I've made it through three holidays (Christmas, Easter, and 4th of July all on P2), numerous birthdays, public campaign events and church socials sipping tea and coffee or snacking on strawberries and celery. I promise, if I can do it, ANYBODY can

I really hope this doesn't affects your progress going forward, especially with nice changes like feeling your hip bones. It's just a few weeks, we can do ANYTHING for a few weeks, right!?

Perhaps you missed my previous posts, but considering the emotional turmoil I've been through in the past 2 weeks, I really could care less whether I lose anymore in this round. I'm trying to deal with my devestation without turning to food. The shock of him leaving me has worn off and I can barely make it through work each day right now, nevermind get myself out of bed each day. I don't mean to sound snappy, but I really just quite frankly don't care in this moment.

[Arctic_Mama]

No, I do remember. I just wanted to clarify that you weren't trying to stay on plan or expecting any weight loss or stabilization with off protocol foods. There's been some surprisingly confused members on here and other hCG groups over the years, inadvertently shooting themselves in the foot.

I haven't dealt with a breakup, so I can't empathize, but I know with my miscarriages and family deaths the best thing for me was being cheerful and busy. Working through emotional turmoil worked really well, after a day or two of pity eating! That doesn't work well on protocol, unfortunately. I just tell myself eating won't bring anyone back or even really make me feel better - I just end up fat AND sad if I don't deal with my emotions more directly. But that is easier said than done, I understand

When it comes to protocol, if you'd rather eat off plan and not have to focus on the dieting AND emotional pain the better course would be to transition off your hCG while continuing the VLCD for 72 hours and end the round early. Oftentimes there are less scale issues that way and you can eat more reasonably without too much fear. It might do your heart good to have one less thing to worry about? Just a thought.

[Arctic_Mama]

Berta - general low carb like Atkins might be great for you (I really like it!) but you MUST do three weeks of P3 first. You can diet to your heart's content after P3, but many of the ladies on here who have skipped around to different plans for maintenance have ended up regretting it - either because it is exhausting or because they never let their weight stabilize. Three weeks of P3 is already low carb for most of us, anyway, depending on your dietary choices, which could make transitioning to something like Atkins really easy. I did quite a bit of induction with my last P3/P4 as correction days and it was great. But I was well stabilized nd had just overeaten a bit. It's not worth attempting before stabilizing.

Whether you take a planned interruption or end the round, you still need to eat P3 for three weeks, so it is six of one and half dozen of the other, you know?

[manders]

I'm not confused, I know what I'm doing. I wasn't expecting any losses. I'll be finishing out this round as I am close to finishing and re-evaluating. Thank you for your concern.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Berta - general low carb like Atkins might be great for you (I really like it!) but you MUST do three weeks of P3 first. You can diet to your heart's content after P3, but many of the ladies on here who have skipped around to different plans for maintenance have ended up regretting it - either because it is exhausting or because they never let their weight stabilize. Three weeks of P3 is already low carb for most of us, anyway, depending on your dietary choices, which could make transitioning to something like Atkins really easy. I did quite a bit of induction with my last P3/P4 as correction days and it was great. But I was well stabilized nd had just overeaten a bit. It's not worth attempting before stabilizing.

Whether you take a planned interruption or end the round, you still need to eat P3 for three weeks, so it is six of one and half dozen of the other, you know?

Thanks Taryl
I really haven't made up my mind completely yet.I really would like to loose some weight before having to go on to PH3 and 4 but I will see. And I am looking into LC eating on the internet.

[Arctic_Mama]

Manders and Berta - Good luck then, whatever you decide

So ladies, I have to whine about my foot! I am allergic to mosquito bites, the entire area around them swells up and aches for days, usually requiring lots of antihistamine. My kids, fortunately, don't have the same reaction and just get the normal small bump, itching, and healing.

Last night at the fundraiser dinner I was outside on the deck with the girls, trying to get them to not be afraid of the dog (success, by the way! It just took awhile ), and a mosquito landed right on top on my foot - by the ankle joint bend - and bit me. Itching like crazy I can tolerate. But now the cellulitis is so bad I can barely bend that foot! I'm all sedated with Benadryl now and hoping it will help, but I DETEST getting bitten. For some reason I didn't think to spray my legs, though I'm always very diligent about deeting myself up before going out. I was probably too busy admiring myself in my skirt and heels And now I pay for it. Boo!

[manders]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Manders and Berta - Good luck then, whatever you decide

So ladies, I have to whine about my foot! I am allergic to mosquito bites, the entire area around them swells up and aches for days, usually requiring lots of antihistamine. My kids, fortunately, don't have the same reaction and just get the normal small bump, itching, and healing.

Last night at the fundraiser dinner I was outside on the deck with the girls, trying to get them to not be afraid of the dog (success, by the way! It just took awhile ), and a mosquito landed right on top on my foot - by the ankle joint bend - and bit me. Itching like crazy I can tolerate. But now the cellulitis is so bad I can barely bend that foot! I'm all sedated with Benadryl now and hoping it will help, but I DETEST getting bitten. For some reason I didn't think to spray my legs, though I'm always very diligent about deeting myself up before going out. And now I pay for it. Boo!

You must be tasty!

[Arctic_Mama]

That's exactly what my husband says. My middle daughter and I get bitten almost immediately in the summer (Alaska Mosquitos are aggressive and big, much worse than the ones in Michigan and California, I noticed!) but my older daughter, son, and husband all get away with half the bites we do. Perhaps not coincidentally, my middle daughter also has coloring and features the closest to mine. Maybe something about our fairer skin or blood chemistry attracts them?

I'm just glad nobody else has an allergic response - I can whine and be miserable and still get my chores done. Miserable kids are way worse and they'd be constantly laid up since they're outside so much in the summer that they get a few bites a day (even with bug spray on - sheesh!).

So that was the low light of my day, anyway. Stupid bug. I was hoping because the swelling was minimal last night it would stay that way. But no such luck.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Berta - general low carb like Atkins might be great for you (I really like it!) but you MUST do three weeks of P3 first. You can diet to your heart's content after P3, but many of the ladies on here who have skipped around to different plans for maintenance have ended up regretting it - either because it is exhausting or because they never let their weight stabilize. Three weeks of P3 is already low carb for most of us, anyway, depending on your dietary choices, which could make transitioning to something like Atkins really easy. I did quite a bit of induction with my last P3/P4 as correction days and it was great. But I was well stabilized nd had just overeaten a bit. It's not worth attempting before stabilizing.

Whether you take a planned interruption or end the round, you still need to eat P3 for three weeks, so it is six of one and half dozen of the other, you know?

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Manders and Berta - Good luck then, whatever you decide

So ladies, I have to whine about my foot! I am allergic to mosquito bites, the entire area around them swells up and aches for days, usually requiring lots of antihistamine. My kids, fortunately, don't have the same reaction and just get the normal small bump, itching, and healing.

Last night at the fundraiser dinner I was outside on the deck with the girls, trying to get them to not be afraid of the dog (success, by the way! It just took awhile ), and a mosquito landed right on top on my foot - by the ankle joint bend - and bit me. Itching like crazy I can tolerate. But now the cellulitis is so bad I can barely bend that foot! I'm all sedated with Benadryl now and hoping it will help, but I DETEST getting bitten. For some reason I didn't think to spray my legs, though I'm always very diligent about deeting myself up before going out. I was probably too busy admiring myself in my skirt and heels And now I pay for it. Boo!

I HATE mosquitos I will do PH3 for the full three weeks but I think I will do PH2 and count this as an interuption when I return. I need to get some more of this off. I CAN DO IT!!

[cocoapeanut]

Oh gosh Taryl, I hope the swelling gets better ASAP. Maybe I'm tasty too, the mosquitoes always seem to find me... ;]

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Awww than you friend I am not quitting I am just taking a break. I need someo info on how to eat low carb.I know no bread or sugar. BUT that's so hard especially when you want a baked potato or roll when you go out for dinner.Guess I could do sweet potato insted not my favorite but they are ok. I can pass on the roll but the toast and hashbrowns at breakfast will be the hardest not to eat.

Tell me all the goodies I can have and I will pick and choose. Is there a limit on serving size? I am sure there is but what are they. I will need help to do LC.

Thanks Angela I appreciate you and your friendship and encouragement.I needed it about now

berta--when you go out to eat DO NOT GET ANY POTATO!!! Potatoes are a huge NO-NO on P3. You get a side salad as your option and that is IT!!!! Starches are not allowed on P3. So pass on any and ALL potatoes. This thread will tell you what to have once you reach P3:

Phase 3 information for HCG diet


It is a sticky at the top of our forum so it is always at the top of this page. It tells you what fruit, what veggies to have. I am sure you remember this from your last P3???? It wasn't too long ago you did one!! You just have to remember--NO STARCHES/NO SUGAR is the most important rule!! I don't count calories on P3, just follow the rule and my hunger. Good luck

[dawnyama]

My update---apple day today!! Not happy about it because it means I have been at the same weight for 5 days. How frustrating is that??!! So apples it is for me!! I have already had 1 cup of coffee and will try to get in my 2nd before noon. I have to get in some water by then too. Then it will be apples from noon til nighttime.

Have a great day everyone!!! I am off to the dentist for my regular cleaning. Hope it is a good one!