Atkins/Other Plans after HCG

[DebbyL]

Originally Posted by EmBee

Debbie I take Nature-throid and really like it and its cheap!

Yes! it is. I chewed one, in the car... it was sweet... made me think... hmmm could think its a placebo! LOL...
Looking forward to feeling better & losing wt. again!

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by DebbyL

Yes! it is. I chewed one, in the car... it was sweet... made me think... hmmm could think its a placebo! LOL...
Looking forward to feeling better & losing wt. again!

hahahaha I always try not to taste it...I chew it in my front teeth and swallow it with a big glass of water

[minimonkey]

Paula -- I'm excited that you've found something promising! Also, let me say once again how nice it is to have you posting again. I really missed you when you were away from the boards.

I am going to check out these plans -- I've been doing high fat, moderate protein, low carbs, and I do like that.

I can't go the lard-heavy, animal-fats only route that the Optimal Diet advocates, but I can do something along the lines of eat-fat-get-thin -- I was doing that last summer, and it worked pretty well after a period of re-adjustment.

In retrospect, I think I had it nearly pegged last summer, when I was working out, eating a ton, and eventually slowly losing the rebound gain while continuing to do that. Then, I got impatient, went back on p2, and everything went to h#ll really quickly from there.

So, I think it is time to resume the approach from last summer -- eat at EFGT ratios, work out like a madwoman, and let my appetite be my guide as to how much to eat.

Well, I will let this be a lesson to me about not ever falling prey to the quick losses of starvation (hcg or no) again. No use pondering where I might be now if I had only been more patient.... sigh.

[sunday]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I see a fair number of hcg-ers having trouble stabilizing, and a few with rebound effects similar to what I'm experiencing -- and I am wondering how many of us are setting ourselves up for this with the repeated p2s.

I know the hcg protocol works well for a lot of people, but I think some of us end up doing more harm than good with it -- especially if we end up going back to p2 time and time again, and not being able to stabilize even with diligent p3 efforts.

I don't know -- I hesitate to even say that, because I don't want to discourage anyone who might be likely to do well on the protocol -- but I also feel like I am a good example of what NOT to do with hcg -- and I hope that sharing all this will save someone else from getting stuck in the same conundrum.

Wow, Mini, you should read the link that PaulaBob referred about sugarfree goodies and her research into Hcg. I am so amazed at all I never knew or understood. I think she or he? I am not sure which, is definitely on to something. A quote from her blog, "HCG does nothing whatsoever for weight loss, but instead does true internal damage to the women who take it, making their insulin resistance and hypothyroidism worse."

Originally Posted by paulabob

Huh, I've petered out on every diet method I've tried, even coming back again and again (Weight watchers, atkins, hcg). It did get me closer to my goal than ever before.

Now I'm feeling hopeful again...will be so excited to actually reach goal. You know I'm the same weight as I was last August. I hope this lower protein, slightly starchier low carb is the ticket for me this time. Considering I gained weight doing Protein Power...maybe it is.

Paula have you begun the protocol on sugarfree goodies? I have been reading the info on Hcg and Insulin Resistance and I am impressed. Thank you for sharing.

[sunday]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Paula -- I'm excited that you've found something promising! Also, let me say once again how nice it is to have you posting again. I really missed you when you were away from the boards.

I am going to check out these plans -- I've been doing high fat, moderate protein, low carbs, and I do like that.

I can't go the lard-heavy, animal-fats only route that the Optimal Diet advocates, but I can do something along the lines of eat-fat-get-thin -- I was doing that last summer, and it worked pretty well after a period of re-adjustment.

In retrospect, I think I had it nearly pegged last summer, when I was working out, eating a ton, and eventually slowly losing the rebound gain while continuing to do that. Then, I got impatient, went back on p2, and everything went to h#ll really quickly from there.

So, I think it is time to resume the approach from last summer -- eat at EFGT ratios, work out like a madwoman, and let my appetite be my guide as to how much to eat.

Well, I will let this be a lesson to me about not ever falling prey to the quick losses of starvation (hcg or no) again. No use pondering where I might be now if I had only been more patient.... sigh.

Okay, I see that you are checking it out!!! You have to read what she posted about her Hcg experiment. Very interesting! And also disheartening. Start with her post on April 5, 2011, "HCG Experiment #1".

[SunnyFL]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I see a fair number of hcg-ers having trouble stabilizing, and a few with rebound effects similar to what I'm experiencing -- and I am wondering how many of us are setting ourselves up for this with the repeated p2s.

I know the hcg protocol works well for a lot of people, but I think some of us end up doing more harm than good with it -- especially if we end up going back to p2 time and time again, and not being able to stabilize even with diligent p3 efforts.

I don't know -- I hesitate to even say that, because I don't want to discourage anyone who might be likely to do well on the protocol -- but I also feel like I am a good example of what NOT to do with hcg -- and I hope that sharing all this will save someone else from getting stuck in the same conundrum.

I'm right there with ya...which is why I am not doing HCG again...each round I noticed it was harder and harder for me to stabilize and adding carbs was getting harder and harder. I too don't want to dissuade someone at all because HCG did help me get to where I am and think about what I eat and change my life. But I also see people running back to HCG again, and again, and again...and it getting worse and worse, with no end in sight. I didn't want to do that. I saw and still see so many struggle that I turned me off. I don't want to do that to my body, I feel I caught it just in time and if it takes me a long time to lose these last 10-12 pounds then so be it, as long as I am not hurting my body.

Ultimately I think ANY diet where you are having to do extreme measures to either maintain or lose or keep going back to because you aren't falling into what that diet considers "normal" is not good for you.

With that being said, I am not knocking HCG at all...what I do feel is it is something for several round and then move on, otherwise I think you do more damage than good and become what I see as an "HCG junkie"

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by sunday

Paula have you begun the protocol on sugarfree goodies? I have been reading the info on Hcg and Insulin Resistance and I am impressed. Thank you for sharing.

I'm doing closer to 900 calories a day during the week, and then weekends will go higher fat/include red wine. I do not have a blood sugar meter...buying strips just isn't possible right now $$$$. And I can't quite manage the veggie portions she advocates...but I'm trying for 4 cups of green veggies, a light starch serving (have done both rutebaga and corn tortillas - prolly not the best source), and one other veggie per day. I'm upping the cream and fats and decreasing some of my favorite proteins (plenty of meat and cheese ). I do enjoy getting to eat fattier proteins on "low" calorie days, unlike Simeons protocol.

So, not exactly as she advocates. Right now shooting for 45-60 grams protein per day (based on 50 as optimal for 110 pound final goal). She doesn't really have things spelled out, so doing as best I know how.

I had some real weakness the first 2 or 3 days, but think I've adjusted.

I'm glad we're on a thread where we can discuss this all so openly. I love lowcarb but if I have insulin resistance due to too much protein, I just have to change my favored way of doing lowcarb. And maybe in a year I'll need to change again...wonder sometimes if we are just built to start building fat after our bodies get used to a new WOE. Time will tell! Or I'll blame it all on perimenopause.

[minimonkey]

Sunday

I am checking out the sugarfreegoodies site right now -- I like it a lot! (Thank you Paula!!)

I do think all the hcg rounds did damage to me -- it's hard to come out and say it, but I feel I need to be truthful here. I also fully acknowledge that I became an hcg junkie, too -- and that I didn't follow protocol . If I had, maybe it would have worked better -- who knows.

I do know that I need to find a better way, though, and that I am still intent on reaching a sane goal of 110, which is a weight I should easily be able to maintain, given my frame and musculature. I'll have to work to maintain it, but I shouldn't be starving and weak while doing so, and that is where all the restricting was getting me.

[minimonkey]

Paula -- I fully support blaming everything -- including the actions of others-- on perimenopause!

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Paula -- I fully support blaming everything -- including the actions of others-- on perimenopause!

I knew none of it was my fault!

[sunday]

Paula~ I lost 45 lbs on 60 days of hcg in 09. I maintained for 1.5 years and basically did a very extended P3, because I never added much of anything except once in a special occasion. I wanted very badly to keep my weight off. Then I went on a cruise and gained 8 lbs. Probably lost a bit of it when I got right back to P3, but it seemed like that was the catalyst to me gaining and then each month it was a bit more. I tried about 3 different times to start the protocol and try to lose the weight I had regained and I was not losing. Very frustrating. I have watched so many other protocol buds that did the hcg protocol at the same time as I did have the exact same issues. None could get the 2nd or 3rd round to work like the 1st one.

I haven't read all of her suggestions yet, but will get back to you because I would like to discuss this more. Are you saying that you are doing as she advises but also taking hhcg with the 900 calories? Moderate protein? I really am interested. Thank you!

[sunday]

Oh, and I am a very slow loser on any plan. On JUDDD, I am losing, but very slowly. Painfully slow. I think this may be my plan for maintenance because it is not very hard at all. And you can basically eat as you wish on UD, so that makes it a bit less work.

[MsHistory]

Sunday - you seriously just posted my EXACT story with HCG. Lost it, maintained, went on a trip and gained, and then BAM, LDW+10. My biggest problem with trying round 2&3 (about 5 times each) was that since I KNEW I could lose the weight, it was harder to take it seriously and not just say "Oh well, I know I'll be able to do it when I REALLY want to."

I got new hcg (intermountain) and am soooooo loving it. I'm not even counting calories, and it's working SO much better than the other brands I used. Hoping this round gets me to goal, and then I can work on tightening! (And also work on not allowing myself to fall back into the pattern of crappy carbs... again).

[sunday]

Originally Posted by MsHistory

Sunday - you seriously just posted my EXACT story with HCG. Lost it, maintained, went on a trip and gained, and then BAM, LDW+10. My biggest problem with trying round 2&3 (about 5 times each) was that since I KNEW I could lose the weight, it was harder to take it seriously and not just say "Oh well, I know I'll be able to do it when I REALLY want to."

I got new hcg (intermountain) and am soooooo loving it. I'm not even counting calories, and it's working SO much better than the other brands I used. Hoping this round gets me to goal, and then I can work on tightening! (And also work on not allowing myself to fall back into the pattern of crappy carbs... again).

Great to hear MsHistory! Yes! My daughter and her hubby just began a round on Intermountain pellets. Do you mind telling me how much weight you have lost with this? I can see that others seem to have success here, but I was wondering how many have lost on it after having done previous rounds?

[MsHistory]

Hahahaha, pants on the ground!? What?!

So far I have lost almost 10 pounds, which is great since I haven't been tracking calories or eating strict protocol foods. I seriously have ZERO hunger which has NEVER happened to me ever in my entire life, even on hcg. I feel like I could keep doing this forever because I feel great (albeit emotional, not sure that's related though) and I don't feel restricted (I only eat protein and LC veggies, but not always protocol) and I've even had a few cheats (emotion driven) that haven't stalled me.

I have probably just completely jinxed myself, but I really am loving this new hhcg! Hope your family loves it as much as I do!

[sunday]

Originally Posted by MsHistory

Hahahaha, pants on the ground!? What?!

So far I have lost almost 10 pounds, which is great since I haven't been tracking calories or eating strict protocol foods. I seriously have ZERO hunger which has NEVER happened to me ever in my entire life, even on hcg. I feel like I could keep doing this forever because I feel great (albeit emotional, not sure that's related though) and I don't feel restricted (I only eat protein and LC veggies, but not always protocol) and I've even had a few cheats (emotion driven) that haven't stalled me.

I have probably just completely jinxed myself, but I really am loving this new hhcg! Hope your family loves it as much as I do!

Great to hear! I told my daughter about Intermountain because her hubby was needing to take a physical test for a job that required fitness requisite. He is not overweight in the least, but he does like beer and more than anything probably not as lean as he should be. So he was the reason that she ordered it and she has decided to do it with him. She does have 20 lbs to lose and I know that last time we talked she had lost 9 lbs.

Best of luck to you!
OH, haha! The "Pants on the Ground" is a JUDDD joke. We have so many whose pants have fallen down while JUDDDing, so one of the other JUDDDers, "Sheridan" made the sign for me.

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by SunnyFL

I'm right there with ya...which is why I am not doing HCG again...each round I noticed it was harder and harder for me to stabilize and adding carbs was getting harder and harder. I too don't want to dissuade someone at all because HCG did help me get to where I am and think about what I eat and change my life. But I also see people running back to HCG again, and again, and again...and it getting worse and worse, with no end in sight. I didn't want to do that. I saw and still see so many struggle that I turned me off. I don't want to do that to my body, I feel I caught it just in time and if it takes me a long time to lose these last 10-12 pounds then so be it, as long as I am not hurting my body.

Ultimately I think ANY diet where you are having to do extreme measures to either maintain or lose or keep going back to because you aren't falling into what that diet considers "normal" is not good for you.

With that being said, I am not knocking HCG at all...what I do feel is it is something for several round and then move on, otherwise I think you do more damage than good and become what I see as an "HCG junkie"

Sunny you could not have spoken my story better. My first round with all its pitfalls was by far the best, stabilization as well. Each round became harder and harder with stabilization being more and more of a challenge. I was quickly becoming the junkie, rarely spending much time in P4 before jumping back on. I’ve found myself half joking with myself (and I mean no disrespect to anyone) My name is Terri and it’s been XX days since I’ve done HCG. I was always amazed at people who knew what percentage of what nutrient they consumed every day. Then I found myself forsaking time with my family to enter every bite into Fit Day. I thought many times that if I knew going back would be so hard, I would have hung in there a little longer. To be fair, you always have the best motivation and commitment the first time, and I did lose the focus. And I’ll be the first to say that HCG got me where NOTHING else could get me. But I need a life beyond food obsession. I’m not saying I’ll never go there again. Especially since DH keeps bringing it up for himself. And if he does, I probably will. But I’m really in search of a lifestyle.

[minimonkey]

You guys are making me feel seriously validated! I just can't seem to keep the weight off when I lose it with HCG -- at the moment, I am 4 lbs heavier than when I first started the protocol a year and a half ago (I keep losing and regaining the same 20 or so lbs )

My muscle to fat ratio is a lot better than it was then, so not all is lost, though ... and I know a bunch of my current weight is still water.

I can't quite shake the thought that if I just did one more round, and did p3 perfectly, etc. etc etc. But deep down, I know that isn't the answer for me.

My first round was magic, too -- I had very little hunger, I lost quickly -- but I dragged it on too long, and then did a major muscle building experiment over the summer and regained a good deal of scale weight ( I did gain a lot of muscle though). Every round since then has been increasingly harder, and there has been little or no hunger suppression on the past couple of rounds.

[minimonkey]

Ms History -- I am so glad this round is working so well for you! If it is effortless, I am guessing you might stabilize much better, too. Maybe your p3 will go as easily as your p2 is going -- let's hope so!!!!

[goddesslynne]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Sunday

I am checking out the sugarfreegoodies site right now -- I like it a lot! (Thank you Paula!!)

I do think all the hcg rounds did damage to me -- it's hard to come out and say it, but I feel I need to be truthful here. I also fully acknowledge that I became an hcg junkie, too -- and that I didn't follow protocol . If I had, maybe it would have worked better -- who knows.

I do know that I need to find a better way, though, and that I am still intent on reaching a sane goal of 110, which is a weight I should easily be able to maintain, given my frame and musculature. I'll have to work to maintain it, but I shouldn't be starving and weak while doing so, and that is where all the restricting was getting me.

I'm checking it out, too!! Fascinating!! Truly!!

Looks like she is absolutely recommending NO hcg, although I'm unclear about her stance on hhcg, I suspect it's the same. I still have a lot of reading to do.

I'm very interested in reading more about the Ask the Doc thing. Could be a real boon for some of us!!

[TerriMM]

Okay Mini, here it is.

I know it's hard to swallow, hocus pocus, etc but you might consider lasering.

Although I’m open minded, I feel like I'm pretty critical and not one to hang on because "someone said so" but I figured "what the hell, it's worth a try". It's cheap, certainly a lot cheaper than a lot of the supplements I've tried.

I honestly feel it helped my sensitivity to dairy. Most especially HWC in my coffee and to nuts.

Just saying.

[minimonkey]

Paula --

It'll be interesting to watch how you and I progress with our respective plans. Since we are starting at about the same weight, and have the same goal -- and we are about the same age, too, I think... we will make a good mad scientist's experiment! I don't recall if you are working out or not -- that obviously confounds the experiment a bit.

I'm very interested to see how you fare with the current protocol --- Please keep us posted!

I don't think I can/want to do 900 calories again. I know a lot of the so-called experts claim that we little people don't need more than that, but I don't buy it for myself.

Any diet that leaves me weak and depleted over time just plain isn't working for me -- or at least that is my current school of thought. I tried and tried to convince myself that I was being silly, that I really didn't need to eat as much as I thought I did, etc. etc. etc. -- but my body was showing all of the signs of starvation, and I was getting weaker and more lethargic as time passed. The crazy hunger and the rebound bloating just reinforce my belief that I was, indeed, starving my body relative to its needs.

I am, however, having to experiment a bit to figure out what those needs are. My ravenous hunger of the last couple of weeks has dropped off dramatically, thank goodness. I actually could have done one meal today, and I think it would have been fine. I did eat a second one, because I am really intent on reassuring my body that we aren't starving -- but my hunger level was pretty low overall.

I'm not counting calories, only carbs, at the moment. I think from here on in, if I am not hungry, I simply won't eat. I am going to try to trust my body to tell me what it needs and doesn't need. When I get hungry, I'll eat.

[minimonkey]

Terri --

I actually bought a laser, and have yet to use it. Hocus pocus or no, I'm open to the idea. Heck, even placebo is a strong medicine, as doctors tend to say...lol!

I'm thinking, less and less, that this is a food sensitivity issue, though -- I'm becoming fairly convinced it is just a reaction to eating real amounts of food again. I've now read about a bizillion accounts of both recovering anorexics and post-contest bodybuilders who bloated up 20 or more lbs of water after beginning to eat adequate amounts of food. Apparently the insane hunger that I have on p3 (I had it every time on p3) is indicative of the body fighting starvation.

Instead of panicking and starting to restrict food again, I am going the opposite direction, and eating quite a lot. One theory (and not necessarily the correct one, lol!) is that doing this gets one out of the cycle quickly -- it's miserable for a bit, to be sure, but it ends the rebound cycle if you just stick with it and feed the hunger, no matter what that takes. I'm thinking that is true, since I am SO much less hungry than I was even a week ago. Now, if the water retention would just get better, I'd be feeling great about this decision -- but it isn't uncommon for it to hang on for weeks or even months after long periods of restriction.

The other approach is to keep being hungry, and add calories back really gradually -- that works well for some people -- and doesn't work for others. Most people can't do it, particularly if they are training hard ... the hunger just gets overwhelming.

In any case, it is too late for me to try that approach, so I am going to keep doing this for now -- and I will turn as much of this into nice, lean muscle mass as I possibly can!

[TerriMM]

I didn't have any big issues. Just a few foods that although were low carb, usually stall me or worse. They are now much less of an issue if at all.

I resisted saying Placebo, but if that’s what it is, I don't mind. No pun intended

I’ve actually thought about re-lasering some of my more sensitive foods to see if that helps move things along.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by sunday

Are you saying that you are doing as she advises but also taking hhcg with the 900 calories? Moderate protein? I really am interested. Thank you!

No, I'm totally off the hhcg (and since last Fall). I don't want to use it again at this point unless I do a straightforward round, as even the homeopathic tends to give me massive ovulation pains.

Originally Posted by sunday

Oh, and I am a very slow loser on any plan. On JUDDD, I am losing, but very slowly. Painfully slow. I think this may be my plan for maintenance because it is not very hard at all. And you can basically eat as you wish on UD, so that makes it a bit less work.

I didn't really lose on Juddd, but I think my metabolism was wacked out when I did it. I did get some nice waist/hip reshaping. The JUDDD folks are a nice group of people.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Paula --

It'll be interesting to watch how you and I progress with our respective plans. Since we are starting at about the same weight, and have the same goal -- and we are about the same age, too, I think... we will make a good mad scientist's experiment! I don't recall if you are working out or not -- that obviously confounds the experiment a bit.

That'll be fun - same age, weight, goals! And I agree...you really shouldn't approach low calorie at all and not for a long while if at all. I'm in a different place, having upped my calories from March to June (and consequently regained 9 pounds...now just up 6). I don't exercise right now...no pool this year. So I'm sure our calories will naturally be a lot different. Having dithered around the same weight for the last year...I'm not in a race to get to goal. I simply want to at least feel I'm making progress. It was depressing having my clothes get tight and some of the jeans stopped fitting.

All right fourth day in a row at a 129 number. I'm excited the number has "stuck"! That number has been toying on my scale once a month for a few days at a time and then disappearing. I made it below 60 grams of protein the past two days. Who would have thought that would be a challenge?

Waving hi to everyone I didn't do personals with...loving reading everyone's posts!

[DisneyPrincess]

Morning everyone. I'm on vacation with my family and having a wonderful time.

I've been reading but just no time to respond

Mini- I would bet its your return to normal eating. It's happened to me this time and though I haven't gained quite so much as you, I put in weight VERY quickly. Also, when I was recovering from anorexia I gained about 15 almost immediately when they had me on e food plan in the hospital. Of course I didn't know it at the time anyways... you will even out and start maintaining. That's happening to me right now. I've been sitting at the same weight for about 3 weeks and I'm eating really well. I know right now my situation is a little different because I'm pregnant, but this isn't the first time I have gained weight fairly rapidly. Hang in there and repair your body

[TerriMM]

Good morning all!
Finally some good news to report. Five days on No S - low carb and I'm down 1.2.
My plan:
No counting anything
No obsessing
Just eating what I know is low carb "ish", still eating fruit

No seconds
No snacks
No sweets

I do plan to allow myself some low carb sweets this weekend, maybe chocolate cherry yogurt (S day), but I feel so much better I'm not the least bit interested in sugar or starch at the moment.

Happy Friday!

[MsHistory]

@Mini -- Oh my gosh, a smooth transition to P3 and easy stabilization is the sweetest thing anybody could wish for me; thank you so much! I hope it works that way!

@Terri -- HOORAYYYY for the drop! For some reason I was thinking you had given up on No-S? I'm starting to find that if I just STOP obsessing, I tend to eat less anyway because I'm not making CERTAIN to get exactly the calories I'm allowing myself. Plus life is so much better when not obsessing!

JUDDD is really starting to sound like a good lifestyle plan for me, mostly because I already KNOW I'm going to each chocolate... I may pop over to that thread but just really quickly, can I have ANYTHING in ANY amount on the UD?

Happy Friday to everyone -- hopefully I don't blow everything this weekend!

[sunday]

Originally Posted by MsHistory

JUDDD is really starting to sound like a good lifestyle plan for me, mostly because I already KNOW I'm going to each chocolate... I may pop over to that thread but just really quickly, can I have ANYTHING in ANY amount on the UD?

Happy Friday to everyone -- hopefully I don't blow everything this weekend!

On JUDDD, yes you can eat anything you want. I don't, because I eat primarily lc paleo on JUDDD, but Redhead is a good example of someone who did maybe 4 rounds of hcg and transitioned well to JUDDD.

I am a Dk Chocoholic myself, so every single day whether UD or DD, I eat one square of "Chocolove Dark Choc w/ Sea Salt" about 70 cals or Cocoa Crack.

You will be able to eat a higher DD (800) cals in maintenance as well, so it really is not painful at all.

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Cathy -- sorry to hear you are injured! The kickboxing camp sounds awesome to me -- I hope you heal quickly and can have a blast at camp.

Thanks Zoe... I think it sounds great too, I just wish I was not injured, might change the whole thing for me... boo!

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Paula -- I fully support blaming everything -- including the actions of others-- on perimenopause!

Yeah, glad its not my fault either!! Hahaha

Originally Posted by minimonkey

You guys are making me feel seriously validated! I just can't seem to keep the weight off when I lose it with HCG -- at the moment, I am 4 lbs heavier than when I first started the protocol a year and a half ago (I keep losing and regaining the same 20 or so lbs )

My muscle to fat ratio is a lot better than it was then, so not all is lost, though ... and I know a bunch of my current weight is still water.

I can't quite shake the thought that if I just did one more round, and did p3 perfectly, etc. etc etc. But deep down, I know that isn't the answer for me.

My first round was magic, too -- I had very little hunger, I lost quickly -- but I dragged it on too long, and then did a major muscle building experiment over the summer and regained a good deal of scale weight ( I did gain a lot of muscle though). Every round since then has been increasingly harder, and there has been little or no hunger suppression on the past couple of rounds.

I feel the same way. I could not maintain it at all either, and I also want to keep trying, but i Know what will happen and I refuse to give into it and go back, even though I gained back 20-25 lbs that I cannot get rid of again... some day, some how.!!!


Paula, can you post what you eat? I read the OD and I cannot get how to get the fat high, protein low.. and the carbs that low too. I thought the calories were higher than 900 for that diet??? Is the sugarfreeprotocol using HCG? Every time I try to find that one, I just get the People starting and their beginning stats and not just the "protocol" information, but I always see HCG in there...

Lynne - how are the Real Dose Nutrition working for you??