P2 Simeon's Protocol Week of 7/2

[chesapeakers]

Happy 4th to all and congratulations on all the losses and hard work!!!

Wow Dawn, you are almost at/exceeding goal, what an exhilarating place to be!!!

odd happenings on my end. Things have been very steady and no hunger so far until Monday (14 VLCD). I was hungry for the first time, but just trudged through it thinking it would go away. Then yesterday, OH DEAR, I have never experienced hunger like this before. I was ready to chew my own arm off. I dreamed of diving into a vat of queso fundido and eating my way out, savoring every bite. I almost LOST MY MIND. I swore I was done with this hcg insanity, and will be ending at 20 days instead of 40. I was cursing hcg and seriously considering never attempting this again. I managed to convince myself to just try to get to tomorrow and "cheated' with a cup of homeade hcg chicken broth and some lemon ginger tea.

Why was I INSANELY hungry just this one day??? I did some research and started to question my prescribed hcg dose of 200 IU. I read this could be the culprit, so I dropped it to 150 IU today, and feel remarkably better. I haven't even wanted to eat anything yet today. I'm down a total of 12.5 (not incl load loss) so maybe after this loss the 200 IU is just too high? Or it was to high to be begin with.

I also hit my old plateau weight 2 days ago. This was the number I could not get to budge for almost a year. I have to wonder if this is where my hypothalamus was set at for so long and when I started to bypass it in the past few days, the hunger was out of control. I was -2 lbs today and this is 2 lbs below the plateau weight.

The bioscience behind this is very curious to me. Maybe this phenomenon falls into Dr. Simeons theory about resetting the hypothalamus? Maybe when I started to drop past the old set weight, there was no stopping my body from trying to keep me there.

Have a great holiday all!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by chesapeakers

Happy 4th to all and congratulations on all the losses and hard work!!!

Wow Dawn, you are almost at/exceeding goal, what an exhilarating place to be!!!

I am NOT at goal. And will not exceed it by any means. Have a round's worth of losing til I get to goal. I am almost at the stats posted at the left, which means I have to get to 129.6 tomorrow to be AT the stats. I will do it though

[chesapeakers]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I am NOT at goal. And will not exceed it by any means. Have a round's worth of losing til I get to goal. I am almost at the stats posted at the left, which means I have to get to 129.6 tomorrow to be AT the stats. I will do it though

See what happens when I try to get caught up on too many thread posts at once?!

Of course you will do it! You are quite an inspiration to everyone on here with your hcg knowledge and success. Good luck on hitting your STAT!

[Arctic_Mama]

Good morning, all! I'm at 169.6 this morning, which brings me to 8.4 pounds down on VLCD7. My rate of loss is slowing and I'm due for a stall sometime in the next few weeks, but oh well . I have approximately two pounds to go before I am in virgin loss territory.

Here's an excellent quote for independence day:

"Let the Fourth of July always be a reminder that here in this land, for the first time, it was decided that man is born with certain God-given rights; that government is only a convenience created and managed by the people, with no powers of its own except those voluntarily granted to it by the people. We sometimes forget that great truth, and we never should. Happy Fourth of July." - Ronald Reagan, President of the United States (1981)

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by chesapeakers

Happy 4th to all and congratulations on all the losses and hard work!!!

Wow Dawn, you are almost at/exceeding goal, what an exhilarating place to be!!!

odd happenings on my end. Things have been very steady and no hunger so far until Monday (14 VLCD). I was hungry for the first time, but just trudged through it thinking it would go away. Then yesterday, OH DEAR, I have never experienced hunger like this before. I was ready to chew my own arm off. I dreamed of diving into a vat of queso fundido and eating my way out, savoring every bite. I almost LOST MY MIND. I swore I was done with this hcg insanity, and will be ending at 20 days instead of 40. I was cursing hcg and seriously considering never attempting this again. I managed to convince myself to just try to get to tomorrow and "cheated' with a cup of homeade hcg chicken broth and some lemon ginger tea.

Why was I INSANELY hungry just this one day??? I did some research and started to question my prescribed hcg dose of 200 IU. I read this could be the culprit, so I dropped it to 150 IU today, and feel remarkably better. I haven't even wanted to eat anything yet today. I'm down a total of 12.5 (not incl load loss) so maybe after this loss the 200 IU is just too high? Or it was to high to be begin with.

I also hit my old plateau weight 2 days ago. This was the number I could not get to budge for almost a year. I have to wonder if this is where my hypothalamus was set at for so long and when I started to bypass it in the past few days, the hunger was out of control. I was -2 lbs today and this is 2 lbs below the plateau weight.

The bioscience behind this is very curious to me. Maybe this phenomenon falls into Dr. Simeons theory about resetting the hypothalamus? Maybe when I started to drop past the old set weight, there was no stopping my body from trying to keep me there.

Have a great holiday all!!

Yikes, your dose is WAY too high. High doses almost always cause excess hunger and they do NOT improve the rate of loss in any way. 125 iU strength doses is what you need, not 150iu or 200. I'd be eating my arm off, too.

Set points can indeed cause stalls and hunger, though hCG makes that more bearable than many other dieting methods. Still, better to eliminate the obvious issue of the wrong dose strength first

[chesapeakers]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Yikes, your dose is WAY too high. High doses almost always cause excess hunger and they do NOT improve the rate of loss in any way. 125 iU strength doses is what you need, not 150iu or 200. I'd be eating my arm off, too.

Set points can indeed cause stalls and hunger, though hCG makes that more bearable than many other dieting methods. Still, better to eliminate the obvious issue of the wrong dose strength first

Thanks for the affirmation Arctic Mama. Once I went into hunger overdrive & started looking for answers, I kept reading over and over that 125 IU is the magic number and you should not go higher, or theraputic value is compromised. I have to wonder why it was prescribed at 200, but also saw this is a common Rx level for some reason. I even double checked the dilution Units/ML ratio from mixing instructions, and it is still a 200 IU dose.

I will most definitely be dropping down to 125 IU tomorrow. Thanks again

Great job on almost hitting virgin loss territory! That will be such a great motivator to keep going when you start shedding those untouched lbs.

I've got 6 more to go before I hit lbs. that are not the same old ones I have struggled with for the past 2 years. Keep going girl, you can do it!!

[dbunny]

Dang! I think I am going to have to add in a 3rd load day. Not eating or dosing correctly on my load days..

[Arctic_Mama]

A third load day doesn't hurt one bit - I have seen it suggested by some strong protocol supporters that it even works better, as Pounds and Inches requires 'at least' two days', and those of us in stressful situations or chronic calorie deficits, in particular, can benefit from more.

But yes, 125 iU strength hCG solution once per day if injecting and twice per day (every twelve hours) if administering sublingual. No more! More is baaaad juju.

[manders]

Hellooo everyone!

I couldn't weigh myself this morning as the scale is in my parents room and my father was sick and sleeping in there and quite frankly I do NOT want his germs right now.

Still having issues BM-wise. Far far far farrrr TMI to share though. It's nothing I've ever experienced before so I may head into the Dr. if it keeps up.

I think I'm FINALLY adjusting to this phase in this round and have very little hunger and very little cravings. My TOM never started, so I'm looking at that as a blessing.

[Arctic_Mama]

If you're constipated more than five days, to the point of discomfort, and you have already tried over the counter laxative measures like senecot, smooth move tea, suppositories, etc, I'd definitely recommend going in to be seen. I hope you get some relief soon, from more than just AF

[christyb]

Originally Posted by dbunny

Dang! I think I am going to have to add in a 3rd load day. Not eating or dosing correctly on my load days..

My doctor recommends 3 load days, so that's what I did.


I lost 2 pounds this morning! Glad to finally be losing again after TOM! I hope it keeps up! 17 pounds down!!

Ok, embarrassing question. . . does anyone else get really bad gas in P2? I'm wondering if it may be from yeast die off or something because the only other time it's ever been this bad is when I was doing a candida diet to kill of systemic yeast.

[manders]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

If you're constipated more than five days, to the point of discomfort, and you have already tried over the counter laxative measures like senecot, smooth move tea, suppositories, etc, I'd definitely recommend going in to be seen. I hope you get some relief soon, from more than just AF

Yeah, it's constipation plus some other things that no one needs to hear about. I will go to the Dr. if it's not resolved itself by Friday.

Originally Posted by christyb

My doctor recommends 3 load days, so that's what I did.


I lost 2 pounds this morning! Glad to finally be losing again after TOM! I hope it keeps up! 17 pounds down!!

Ok, embarrassing question. . . does anyone else get really bad gas in P2? I'm wondering if it may be from yeast die off or something because the only other time it's ever been this bad is when I was doing a candida diet to kill of systemic yeast.

I do if I eat egg whites too much. I also realized I can't ever eat broccoli or lettuce of ANY sort again. Those both hurt my GI tract to the point that I'm in the fetal position on the ground, with EXTREME gas.

[Berta48]

Question on RxHCG My LDD will be the 8th,do I dose morning and evening or just in the morning?

I am NOT looking forward to weighing in the morning was so very bad tonight at the BBQ. Homemade icecream, smores, bratwurst,hamburgers, corn on the cob, toasted marshmallows over a fire.
We had a marvelous time but boy oh boy. But I knew what I was doing so now I pay the price

[Arctic_Mama]

If your first dose was a morning dose, your last dose should be an evening dose - that would be a complete cycle. But honestly it doesn't make a huge difference either way

Cheating isn't worth it Berta, remind yourself of that!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

If your first dose was a morning dose, your last dose should be an evening dose - that would be a complete cycle. But honestly it doesn't make a huge difference either way

Cheating isn't worth it Berta, remind yourself of that!

Thanks.
But yes it was worth it. I have six or seven more rounds to go it will come back off.And the 4th of July celebration is only once a year!

[Arctic_Mama]

What I meant is that there is always some event, but is it worth losing a week or more of weight loss or not stabilizing for your round? The biggest issue with cheats is that they can blow stabilization out of the water, which I know is a concern for you . If you don't treat every round as needing complete dedication and perfection, it is a waste of time given how finicky the protocol is. Some plans have leeway for holidays, but not P2 of Simeon's Protocol.

It is your choice and body, but as a friend I have to caution that the setbacks from a cheat can be huge and not noticeable until well into P3, when you find yourself regaining and fluctuating all over the place. It doesn't happen to everyone, but it is frequent enough that breaking protocol for a holiday, especially without a proper planned interruption, is bad enough for me to recommend delaying the entire round to fit around a holiday rather than just having an off-plan meal in the middle of it. It's THAT big.

Don't feel like I'm shaming or attacking you, I just really want to see you succeed and not shoot yourself in the foot over one measly holiday It's your diet and your choice, I had to discover the hard way that an evening off plan, even a really enjoyable and mentally necessary one, caused me way more anguish down the road than the enjoyment it netted me at the time. It stunk

[Arctic_Mama]

As for me, I had a fine night, diet-wise. Unfortunately I exercised AND sealed a sandbox cover with varnish, and by halfway through the sealing I was shaking from fatigue. I was useless the rest of the evening, just totally wiped out and weak.

This is still proving to be an incredibly rough round for me, I'm having major cravings for minerals and actually ate two sheets of nori to satisfy some of the trace mineral issues (I consider it a supplement, honestly, and not off protocol for ten calories worth of seaweed to get some measly vitamin A and minerals). I'm actually experiencing issues similar to true pica, wanting to eat non-nutritive things due to deficiencies. So I'm thinking something is wonky with this round.

It may or may not be related to my dosing sublingually, but I'm going to compound my next vial of hCG for injections, anyway, just to eliminate that variable. That means I'm going to have to freeze half the syringes so they don't lose potency, but it's not the end of the world. I keep almost forgetting my nighttime dosing, anyway, so going back to what I am more comfortable with in terms of frequency and 'feeling' my doses seems to be the thing to do. It may be psychosomatic, or there may be a real issue with me not absorbing hCG well under my tongue, but I feel like I am lacking hCG on this round, despite meticulous mixing and dosing. And if I have the same issues, I'll know it is no error on my part but just a very rough round.

[Star73]

I've only lost .8 of a pound in the last couple of days. TOM is here though and my fingers are still puffy. I know it's water weight. A strange thing though, I feel smaller in my belly area. My clothes are a little looser

I'm hoping once TOM is gone that the scale will start moving again

[HappyChick]

Grabbing a spot here with you fine wonderful people! Hope you don't mind!!

I am so new to this.. but, so happy! In less than a week I have dipped below a set-point that I have not been able to touch in more than a year- maybe even two years of careful eating and regular exercise! hhCG is a little miracle, for reals!

Oooh, Weee- yesterday's pool party was difficult. I stayed with P2 foods but probably had too many of them and definitely broke protocol by mixing my veggies.. I was very relieved not to have a gain this morning. (A tiny bummed about not having a loss, tho.)

Should I do anything differently today other than strict protocol? I understand that CD's are not to be used in P2 except for extraordinary circumstances... appreciate any advice!

Question for anyone who is also hypothyroid and using hhCG: Does your formula contain Hypo/Pit/Thyroid at 6x 12x 30x 60x 200x ? If so, is it affecting the dosing requirements of your regular thyroid medications? I've noticed that my pulse is pretty high- even though my BP is low, as usual.

[HappyChick]

Can anyone point me to a discussion about protein, specifically concerning the number of grams and how they effect this protocol. I did a search on the subject but had no luck.

I'm asking because I want to use my protein powder for some meals and that seems to put my protein numbers higher than what I would get with 200grams (food weight) of lean protein meats- even though it's lower fat and carbs.

Any opinions on this??

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by christyb

My doctor recommends 3 load days, so that's what I did.


I lost 2 pounds this morning! Glad to finally be losing again after TOM! I hope it keeps up! 17 pounds down!!

Ok, embarrassing question. . . does anyone else get really bad gas in P2? I'm wondering if it may be from yeast die off or something because the only other time it's ever been this bad is when I was doing a candida diet to kill of systemic yeast.

I have to say that I have some too I think it is from the clean eating and the fact that I am so sugar overloaded from just before this round. So it is a cleaning out of sorts. Not much to do about it though. Just keep going.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by HappyChick

Can anyone point me to a discussion about protein, specifically concerning the number of grams and how they effect this protocol. I did a search on the subject but had no luck.

I'm asking because I want to use my protein powder for some meals and that seems to put my protein numbers higher than what I would get with 200grams (food weight) of lean protein meats- even though it's lower fat and carbs.

Any opinions on this??

I don't know how much powder to use, but I know that we are to have 100 oz of raw protein 2 times a day on protocol. When I have resorted to a protein shake day on P2, I have done 3 shakes of 1 scoop of powder to a cup of unsweetened almond milk--and had THAT 3 times in a day. Not sure on the oz or grams of protein I got, but it worked. Sometimes I only got in 2 shakes because I wasn't hungry. I mostly did those because of some almond milk in the fridge that HAD to be used and in my family (out of 6 of us), I was the only one to use it! Couldn't/cannot get my family to even give it a try

Let me add that I didn't care about protein grams---just calories. But my protein powder is very low in carbs. And so was the almond milk (being unsweetened) and I used it very occasionally.

[dawnyama]

I have not lost any weight today. But that is Ok with me because of my 2 lb drop the day before. I know it will come off. Just have to stick to plan. And I am!!!

Happy Thursday to all!!!!

[HappyChick]

<--- Loves Almond Milk, too!

[junkn]

i only lost .6 pounds in 2 days for a total of 4 pounds that include the load days since i started a week ago. especially since i started the diet at 131 and today weigh 129.2.

i wish i could see some of the losses you all are having! sucks because of the 4th and all the yummy food i didn't eat or taste.

i am just hoping this kicks in soon!

a little discouraged but definitely not giving up. only 2 more weeks to go for the 21 days but i think i will go the 40 days if i'm not losing enough.

sighssssss

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by junkn

i only lost .6 pounds in 2 days for a total of 4 pounds that include the load days since i started a week ago. especially since i started the diet at 131 and today weigh 129.2.

i wish i could see some of the losses you all are having! sucks because of the 4th and all the yummy food i didn't eat or taste.

i am just hoping this kicks in soon!

a little discouraged but definitely not giving up. only 2 more weeks to go for the 21 days but i think i will go the 40 days if i'm not losing enough.

sighssssss

I can lose up to 10 lbs in that first week, so my 6.4 lbs is not my best. I wish it would pick up for you as well. Usually the first week is the best!

What does your menu look like? Mine is like this:

Breakfast: coffee (3 throughout the day)
Lunch: chicken, onion, strawberries (8 of them), melba
Dinner: chicken, tomato, 1/2 grapefruit, melba
Drinks: 3 32 oz water, 3 cups of hot tea

That is a typical day for me. Are you eating something every single day that could be stalling you? I know that one poster here a long time back put cinnamon in everything because she heard it was so good for you. Well, it caused her to stall big time. Turns out that there is a genetic thing that some people have that makes cinnamon bad for you. Her whole family cannot have any cinnamon. She cut it out and the losses were incredible. She was so sorry to find out so late that, that was the culprit. So even a spice can trip you up!

[chesapeakers]

Originally Posted by manders

Hellooo everyone!

I couldn't weigh myself this morning as the scale is in my parents room and my father was sick and sleeping in there and quite frankly I do NOT want his germs right now.

Still having issues BM-wise. Far far far farrrr TMI to share though. It's nothing I've ever experienced before so I may head into the Dr. if it keeps up.

I think I'm FINALLY adjusting to this phase in this round and have very little hunger and very little cravings. My TOM never started, so I'm looking at that as a blessing.

manders-you might try a small dose of liquid magnesium citrate. Its a saline (drawns water from the body to induce BM) laxative, so its far gentler than the harsher stimulant(irritates the GI tract to produce a BM) laxatives. Its only a couple bucks at the drugstore and works like a charm for most people. Consult with your physican first if you have other health conditions or take other medications.

[chesapeakers]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

A third load day doesn't hurt one bit - I have seen it suggested by some strong protocol supporters that it even works better, as Pounds and Inches requires 'at least' two days', and those of us in stressful situations or chronic calorie deficits, in particular, can benefit from more.

But yes, 125 iU strength hCG solution once per day if injecting and twice per day (every twelve hours) if administering sublingual. No more! More is baaaad juju.

Arctic Mama-What are your thoughts on skipping one injection day per week for Rx hcg ( to ward of immunity)? I keep seeing conflicting infomation on this subject...

[junkn]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I can lose up to 10 lbs in that first week, so my 6.4 lbs is not my best. I wish it would pick up for you as well. Usually the first week is the best!

What does your menu look like? Mine is like this:

Breakfast: coffee (3 throughout the day)
Lunch: chicken, onion, strawberries (8 of them), melba
Dinner: chicken, tomato, 1/2 grapefruit, melba
Drinks: 3 32 oz water, 3 cups of hot tea

That is a typical day for me. Are you eating something every single day that could be stalling you? I know that one poster here a long time back put cinnamon in everything because she heard it was so good for you. Well, it caused her to stall big time. Turns out that there is a genetic thing that some people have that makes cinnamon bad for you. Her whole family cannot have any cinnamon. She cut it out and the losses were incredible. She was so sorry to find out so late that, that was the culprit. So even a spice can trip you up!

breakfast: coffee, 2 splendas, 2 tbs of half n half., 5 strawberries or half grapefruit

lunch- 3.5 oz 94% lean beef, spinach or cabbage

dinner- same as lunch

i was drinking 2 coffees a day but just one coffee today just in case.

i don't even eat melba or grissini.

i don't know if the extra cup of coffee makes a difference.

i do get hungry but snack on cabbage or drink water.

i drink about 6 16 oz bottles of water a day and a couple of cups of hot tea.

doesn't sound much and its kinda depressing

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by junkn

breakfast: coffee, 2 splendas, 2 tbs of half n half., 5 strawberries or half grapefruit

lunch- 3.5 oz 94% lean beef, spinach or cabbage

dinner- same as lunch

i was drinking 2 coffees a day but just one coffee today just in case.

i don't even eat melba or grissini.

i don't know if the extra cup of coffee makes a difference.

i do get hungry but snack on cabbage or drink water.

i drink about 6 16 oz bottles of water a day and a couple of cups of hot tea.

doesn't sound much and its kinda depressing

Is this your menu every single day? Some find that cabbage is a common staller. I would switch that out with another veggie ASAP. Especially if you are snacking on it. I know that Shelby had to be meticulous with her consumption of cabbage. She found that if she didn't weigh it and really eat small portions she would gain from it. So be cautious of that veggies. It is not a good one to have in unlimited amounts. Find something else to snack on like chicken broth, tea, coffee. Not food, but a liquid. They seem to quelch hunger OK.

Funny thing about the coffee. I drink 3 cups every day--former Starbucks barista here ---because I love it and it fills me up between meals. I thought this round I would cut it back to only 1 or at most 2 cups. Did that and got tiny pitiful losses the very next day. So I have kept up my 3 cup a day addiciton Good thing about this plan, you can figure out pretty quick what works and what doesn't ! Good luck!!