P2 Simeons Protocol Week of June 25

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by llanx

Gluten free basically means it does not contain wheat. It probably uses some other flour (rice, nuts) instead.

Beware of the Dreamsfield pasta. If you google "dreamfields pasta scam" there would be an article stating it does impact your blood sugar level.

Dreamfields needs to be cooked al dente...barely past firm...there is a coating which keeps the pasta from being digested by the body...and if boiled too long...the coating dissolves. If so...this can lead to spiked levels. My mom cooks for an elderly, very diabetic neighbor and uses Dreamfields for her, and she has never seen a huge spike...but I'm sure every diabetic may respond differently. My mom takes her sugar counts morning & evening.

It is NOT recommended to leave the pasta in sauces and refrigerated as left-overs...the acid can dissolve the coating.

I have not had any problems pertaining to losing on low-carb while using DF pasta. I do not eat a ton at a time...maybe 1-2x a month. I feel it helps curb the pasta craving I get at times. I like to use the elbows for macaroni salad and mac 'n' cheese. Plus the regular pasta italian dishes

HTH

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by manders

I always remind myself that I CAN lose all this weight, it's whether I want it bad enough. It's not impossible. That short term satisfaction of having a bag of chocolate does not compare to the long term satisfaction of wearing a bikini this summer. And not to mention that my one little screw up WILL affect me for many days, not just one day. so. not. worth. it.

I dropped down to 188.4 today. That was a big deal. The last time I was 188 was when I was 14 years old!

So happy to see my weight loss progressing steadily. I finally fit into this pair of jeans that I've had for over a year that I could never fit in to, even when I bought them!

Did someone say they put cocoa in p2 chilli?! lol that sounds very odd!

Perfect validation for the protocol being Pounds AND Inches!! Yeah for you Must feel pretty fantastic to be at a weight you haven't been since the age of 14. Of course by your pic that must have been what a whole 5 yrs ago??

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Dreamfields needs to be cooked al dente...barely past firm...there is a coating which keeps the pasta from being digested by the body...and if boiled too long...the coating dissolves. If so...this can lead to spiked levels. My mom cooks for an elderly, very diabetic neighbor and uses Dreamfields for her, and she has never seen a huge spike...but I'm sure every diabetic may respond differently. My mom takes her sugar counts morning & evening.

It is NOT recommended to leave the pasta in sauces and refrigerated as left-overs...the acid can dissolve the coating.

I have not had any problems pertaining to losing on low-carb while using DF pasta. I do not eat a ton at a time...maybe 1-2x a month. I feel it helps curb the pasta craving I get at times. I like to use the elbows for macaroni salad and mac 'n' cheese. Plus the regular pasta italian dishes

HTH

Thanks for that explanation. My DD is a type 1 diabetic and I do want to make my family pasta once in a while. Nice to know that it might not make her blood sugar spike. She is only 11 and loves her pasta!!

[manders]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Perfect validation for the protocol being Pounds AND Inches!! Yeah for you Must feel pretty fantastic to be at a weight you haven't been since the age of 14. Of course by your pic that must have been what a whole 5 yrs ago??

haha actually 8 years ago.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by manders

haha actually 8 years ago.

You're such a young 'un Good on ya!!! You know it will only get better from here on out

[manders]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

You're such a young 'un Good on ya!!! You know it will only get better from here on out

lol I look pretty young in that picture. Most people peg me at like 28 due to the fact that I own a business.

I've just always been lightyears ahead of my peers. I'd like to get married in the next year.

[dawnyama]

Well, you are on the way to being a skinny bride. Good timing.

[manders]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Well, you are on the way to being a skinny bride. Good timing.

Yes indeed! I cannot wait to go try on wedding dresses hahaha

[dawnyama]

Will your boyfriend join you in Canada, or will you join him in the usa?

[llanx]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Dreamfields needs to be cooked al dente...barely past firm...there is a coating which keeps the pasta from being digested by the body...and if boiled too long...the coating dissolves. If so...this can lead to spiked levels. My mom cooks for an elderly, very diabetic neighbor and uses Dreamfields for her, and she has never seen a huge spike...but I'm sure every diabetic may respond differently. My mom takes her sugar counts morning & evening.

It is NOT recommended to leave the pasta in sauces and refrigerated as left-overs...the acid can dissolve the coating.

I have not had any problems pertaining to losing on low-carb while using DF pasta. I do not eat a ton at a time...maybe 1-2x a month. I feel it helps curb the pasta craving I get at times. I like to use the elbows for macaroni salad and mac 'n' cheese. Plus the regular pasta italian dishes

HTH

Ah, I see. Thanks a lot for the cooking direction! I did not know that. I tend to over cook the pasta to make it soft.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by llanx

Ah, I see. Thanks a lot for the cooking direction! I did not know that. I tend to over cook the pasta to make it soft.

Me too. While I love Italian food, I am certainly NOT a true Italian It was what I lived on as a kid.

[llanx]

D9 for me, strictly on protocol yesterday, dropped 1.2, but considering I was up .8 the day before, it makes my 2nd week average so far to be only 0.2 per day. Surely hope this is not the normal going forward.

[manders]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Will your boyfriend join you in Canada, or will you join him in the usa?

He'll come here first and then depending on the economy in the US in a few years, we'll either stay to have kids here or move to the US.

[manders]

Originally Posted by llanx

D9 for me, strictly on protocol yesterday, dropped 1.2, but considering I was up .8 the day before, it makes my 2nd week average so far to be only 0.2 per day. Surely hope this is not the normal going forward.

Don't get discouraged! That's not normal, and we all have days where we lose A LOT and then nothing! Stick with it and your body will adjust.

You could be retaining water or need to have a BM. lol

[mommy2boysaz]

Congrats, everyone on today's losses!

I appreciate your post, Manders, about being able to succeed with this if you want it bad enough. I have struggled with a lot of temptation today, combined with more hunger than I've been having. Was offered a table full of free bagels, muffins, and other goodies (all complimentary, of course!) this morning. Then a free lunch that consisted of something Mexican, which smelled delicious, and an array of brownies, cakes, etc...
I WANTED that food! But, I took my little lunch bag with my tiny dish of cottage cheese, my cukes, and my apple, and I went outside and ate, away from the wonderful sights and smells.
To be honest, it sucked! But, I have been repeating to myself all day that this is mind over matter. If I want to be thin again, and stop feeling ashamed of my body, and stop avoiding social activities because of my weight, then I have to make a choice. It is up to me and no one else. In the past, I never would have passed up that free food. I would've said that I really had no choice. "It's all they had. What else could I do??"

So, now I'm planning to go out to a movie theater tomorrow with my daughter, where we can eat our meal while we watch the movie. Not real sure how I'm going to handle that one... Maybe just have iced tea? Did I mention that this really SUCKS??

Forgive me while I whine. I'm sure I'm not only hungry, but also PMSing. Dangerous combo!

[Star73]

are flavored coffees and cocoa allowed on P2?

I've seen yall post about this, so just wondering

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Me too I have been waiting every day this round is almost over already and only 7lbs off

Do you think maybe because I didn't do a complete PH4?



Thanks me Gracie me too....There are so many ingredients in it... but I did see Castor OIL & Mineral OIL? In deodorant

Those are fine, it is only food oils that are an issue. Most people have no issues with castor oil and mineral oil is a-ok. For deodorant I use spray on Secret (big, blue can) or crystal deodorant during P2. Plain old chapstick, oil free facial moisturizer, powdered toothpaste, etc etc. All P2 compliant

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by Star73

are flavored coffees and cocoa allowed on P2?

I've seen yall post about this, so just wondering

If the coffee is flavored with artificial flavors and not food oils/extracts, and has no additives like soy, casein, dehydrated milk, sugar, etc etc, it is fine. Cocoa is not legal on the protocol, but many folks use 1/2 tsp of it as a 'seasoning' and don't see deleterious effects. So, like sf gum and sf syrup, while it isn't on the protocol food list and may cause some individuals issues, it isn't problematic for most users and can be had *sparingly*.

[Arctic_Mama]

As for me, after having to load an extra day yesterday (boo to the family dinner that got sprung on me!) I am up another two pounds to a start weight of 178.0. I was up about four pounds before loading and gained about two pounds each day I loaded, however I expect all that to come off quickly. So today is VLCD1. My stomach is being a bit upset after lunch but other than that I feel fine, no real hunger except the desire to eat

I mentioned this on my blog, but I am considering making this a three-vial round instead of two, and doing it a bit long. I'm still debating whether it will make me nuts or not, we'll see. I think I can get down into the 150's on two vials, with the way I have lost in the paste and would LOVE it if a longer round netted me 147 or so as a weight to stabilize at. Immunity isn't such an issue with sublingual as it is with subcutaneous, but if the losses aren't looking good toward the end of my 40-ish days then I won't push it (not worth it!). If I feel good and am sailing along, though, I'll be inclined to keep that going

[manders]

Okay guys, I need your help. If I test my HCG drops on a preg test, should it show positive?

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by manders

He'll come here first and then depending on the economy in the US in a few years, we'll either stay to have kids here or move to the US.

Cool. I met my DH in the States when we were in college and HE stayed here. He got the green card when he married me, but didn't want to. He didn't want my family to think that was why we were together. We have been together for 17 years next month He is from Japan. Probably much too much to know about me, but just thought I would share

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Star73

are flavored coffees and cocoa allowed on P2?

I've seen yall post about this, so just wondering

Yes, they are!! I have flavored coffee all the time. It is flavored not with sugar so you can enjoy them. Cocoa powder is a spice and I have it every day in my coffee on P2. Love it

[Arctic_Mama]

Manders -

It depends - are you using fresh, compounded rXhCG? If so, then a VERY weak positive can be seen when the solutions is applied to the strip. If you re using homeopathic hCG then the distillation of the hCG is intentionally very weak and not enough to turn a pregnancy test. That doesn't mean the homeopathic doesn't work as it is supposed to (they have a very specific means by which they function and it is really apples to oranges comparing it to the protocol dose of the hormone), but a test won't tell you either way.

A better way to gauge the efficacy of homeopathic distillations is basing your judgment on your symptoms. If you release weight well with no significant hunger and stabilize well they work. If you are excessively weak and hungry, even after supplements to help, and your weight refuses to stabilize in P3, then your drops/pellets were not effective. There's no better way for gauging hhCG, unfortunately.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by manders

Okay guys, I need your help. If I test my HCG drops on a preg test, should it show positive?

If you have Rx then yes they would. If you have homeopathic then no, it won't turn a pregnancy test positive.

[manders]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Manders -

It depends - are you using fresh, compounded rXhCG? If so, then a VERY weak positive can be seen when the solutions is applied to the strip. If you re using homeopathic hCG then the distillation of the hCG is intentionally very weak and not enough to turn a pregnancy test. That doesn't mean the homeopathic doesn't work as it is supposed to (they have a very specific means by which they function and it is really apples to oranges comparing it to the protocol dose of the hormone), but a test won't tell you either way.

A better way to gauge the efficacy of homeopathic distillations is basing your judgment on your symptoms. If you release weight well with no significant hunger and stabilize well they work. If you are excessively weak and hungry, even after supplements to help, and your weight refuses to stabilize in P3, then your drops/pellets were not effective. There's no better way for gauging hhCG, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by dawnyama

If you have Rx then yes they would. If you have homeopathic then no, it won't turn a pregnancy test positive.

Thanks ladies!

For a second I thought I got scammed, as my new bottle of drops did not result in a positive test. I do notice however that I am losing weight quite well the past few days without any insane hunger (other than PMS cravings).

=)

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

As for me, after having to load an extra day yesterday (boo to the family dinner that got sprung on me!) I am up another two pounds to a start weight of 178.0. I was up about four pounds before loading and gained about two pounds each day I loaded, however I expect all that to come off quickly. So today is VLCD1. My stomach is being a bit upset after lunch but other than that I feel fine, no real hunger except the desire to eat

I mentioned this on my blog, but I am considering making this a three-vial round instead of two, and doing it a bit long. I'm still debating whether it will make me nuts or not, we'll see. I think I can get down into the 150's on two vials, with the way I have lost in the paste and would LOVE it if a longer round netted me 147 or so as a weight to stabilize at. Immunity isn't such an issue with sublingual as it is with subcutaneous, but if the losses aren't looking good toward the end of my 40-ish days then I won't push it (not worth it!). If I feel good and am sailing along, though, I'll be inclined to keep that going

Taryl
Nice to see you on here again. For some reason I am not losing well with RXHCG. Could it be becausue of not doing the full PH4? I was reading P&I again today and I am wondering about this........

We never give a treatment lasting less than 26days,even in patients needing to lose only 5 lbs.
I thought a full round was 21 days then 3 more on VLC? I need to know before I go to Wichita the 13th so I will know when to stop the HCG.

[Arctic_Mama]

He is counting the loading days, which are two days, and then the first VLCD day which is not considering an effective dose day (your body is transitioning to the proper fat metabolism). Plus the twenty effective doses and then 72 hours transitioning off?

Voila, 26 days.

And yes, not doing a full P4 might influence that. How many pounds have you lost for how many days on VLCD? Pounds lost includes loading weight as your start weight, btw.

[manders]

Does anyone have any suggestions for a salty treat while on p2?

I am so bad. =(

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

He is counting the loading days, which are two days, and then the first VLCD day which is not considering an effective dose day (your body is transitioning to the proper fat metabolism). Plus the twenty effective doses and then 72 hours transitioning off?

Voila, 26 days.

And yes, not doing a full P4 might influence that. How many pounds have you lost for how many days on VLCD? Pounds lost includes loading weight as your start weight, btw.

I only gained 1.4 lb on loading days.(last time I lost) It's been 12 days today. I have lost 7.4lbs.TOTAL.

Thanks for explaining that.My 26days are up July9th then so I will be ok for my trip.We are leaving the 13th. I am going to do a full 3week PH3 & PH4 this time. I still have had no hunger. But I thought I would loose better than this.I haven't decide if I am counting this trip as interuption and going another 26 days when I get home or not.Willbe home the 19th..

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by manders

Does anyone have any suggestions for a salty treat while on p2?

I am so bad. =(

Salt your tomatoes and cucumbers