~~ Rogue HCG/hHCG plans for week of June 25, 2012 ~~

[CherylB]

Thank you, Plum! I will give everyone the news whenever I get any. I called him today to make certain that they did receive the application I faxed, but I got his voicemail and had to leave a message. I hope to hear from them before the weekend. I hate waiting!! And I don't want to "bug" them, but I also don't want to seem too off-the-radar.

Lynne, it's good that you know what works and what doesn't. Just keep on truckin'. Here's a copy/paste about my day:

Hello, ladies! Had a busy and very fruitful day. FINALLY got my internet set up so that I won't ever be without it again.

Did some exercise while Cisco did the treadmill, then my landlady and her son showed up to fix the computer nonsense. They were here for what must have been 3-4 hours, so my exercise got interrupted and will stay done for the day. But I did some!!!!

And I weighed today, just to see where I was at. I thought I was up 0.8 but I'd forgotten just how high my weight had gotten in the past week or two. I'm actually down 3.4 lbs. Nothing to write home about, but I'm enjoying my life and I see the end of the tunnel.

Still got the problem with my brakes and the mechanic couldn't fit me in today. He said to call them at 10 am tomorrow to see if they could tackle it on Friday. I hope I'm not driving it like this all weekend. I want to go to the gym. I want to get this show on the road!

I send my love to you all. Have a peaceful and restful evening.

[EmBee]

Hi Guys. Been a bit MIA I know, but have been trying to "take it easy". I ended up having a second stronger antibiotic(Cipro) for the "kidney infection"...four days into the new antibiotic, I had such severe pain, like a leg cramp times 10 in my left kidney zone. I thought OH NO, Kidney stone. I took a trip to the ER today, sigh (with no insurance) But the pain was awful!! So anyway I got there, they gave me an Cath, IV and morphine, CT scan and drew blood. Well the morphine didn't even half the pain (UG) ...Well the good news is NO more infection, NO STONES....The pain??? who knows I am now flying high and happy on a muscle relaxer AND generic Vicodin. I am thinking maybe as the kidney infection left the kidney area started spasming...not sure though. I am still with in my two pound range ...so YAY yippy skippy! Anyway thats all for now

[CherylB]

That sounds very serious, MB. I hear you about not having insurance, but you went that far so you should go a little further and have a serious kidney study done. I've been out of nursing for a number of years so my memory for names of tests has grown dim. But there is a test where they inject dye into your kidneys to test filtration and other things. If the infection is gone and there are no stones, then you need to get to the bottom of this. Those little precious organs are nothing to fool around with.

I hope you can get this figured out soon. I will say a prayer.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by EmBee

Hi Guys. Been a bit MIA I know, but have been trying to "take it easy". I ended up having a second stronger antibiotic(Cipro) for the "kidney infection"...four days into the new antibiotic, I had such severe pain, like a leg cramp times 10 in my left kidney zone. I thought OH NO, Kidney stone. I took a trip to the ER today, sigh (with no insurance) But the pain was awful!! So anyway I got there, they gave me an Cath, IV and morphine, CT scan and drew blood. Well the morphine didn't even half the pain (UG) ...Well the good news is NO more infection, NO STONES....The pain??? who knows I am now flying high and happy on a muscle relaxer AND generic Vicodin. I am thinking maybe as the kidney infection left the kidney area started spasming...not sure though. I am still with in my two pound range ...so YAY yippy skippy! Anyway thats all for now

So glad u went for help, insurance or no insurance (I hear you, haven't had insurance myself since 2006).

I'm hoping you are on the road to recovery, and glad it hasn't affected your maintenance. Would have thought you'd have massive water weight gain, glad that didn't happen!

[minimonkey]

Embee -- wow, what an ordeal! I'm glad you are feeling better, and I dearly hope this is the end of all this for you. If not, I totally agree to push for a follow up -- kidney problems are nothing to mess around with.

I also hear you with the no insurance -- I'm in the same boat, at least for now.

I saw my old doc yesterday (thanks to my mom paying for it!) , and she is pretty certain the Lyme is back (I was totally upfront with her about the dieting, the stress, and the whole shebang.) She felt the total system exhaustion ran my immune system down, and allowed the Lyme to resurface ... and I am pretty sure she's right.

I'm not at all surprised, but it's still bad news. She was totally supportive of the herbal protocol I already started, and we agreed to try that before going the antibiotic route again. She added an enzyme that makes the herbs more effective. She actually put her own Lyme into total remission using these herbs, and others have done the same... they're potent medicine.

She also suspects some major hormonal imbalances -- we ran thyroid and cortisol tests, as well as DHEA, testosterone, and a complete blood panel with a differential. If I end up with decent insurance any time soon, we'll do a lot more testing, but that was still a pretty expensive lab bill on its own. (It isn't clear which insurance I will have through school this fall, but if I can't get a PPO through that, I can get one through my work in October. That helps defray the bills, at least, and will have reasonable prescription coverage too.)

For now, she put me on natural thyroid (dosing was based on my last panel, and will be adjusted when we get the new numbers) -- and I'm also going on bioidentical estrogen and progesterone for a while to get my crazy menstrual cycle regulated.

If my cortisol numbers are low, we will also be supplementing on that front -- but we are waiting for lab results to decide what to do there. Likewise with the DHEA and the testosterone tests.

She's pretty optimistic that we are hitting this early enough to avoid a total system crash -- and I am praying she's right. She feels that the huge weight rebound is largely a result of the imflammatory processes from the Lyme, which is totally possible, considering that happened to me before, when I wasn't dieting in a severe way at all.

Getting the endocrine piece sorted out will definitely help with the overall process of getting the Lyme back into remission, so I'm very glad to be moving on that now, rather than later.

I'm grateful for a doctor that I trust, and also for my mom making it possible for me to get this care. It's times like this that I am reminded to be grateful for the blessings, and not to fall prey to feeling sorry for myself at all the obstacles.

I'm frustrated -- and heck, I'm scared, but I'm also hopeful that this can be healed -- and that hope is keeping me going right now.

[EmBee]

Hi guys...I came across some very interesting information and have about a 50 percent improvement this morning (after doing a couple things). I was totally dissatisfied with the ER visit. It came to me in the middle of the night to check something... so I checked the side effects of the Antibiotic they put me on.... Ciproflaxin and GUESS WHAT?? Yep the neck pain and back spasms (which is like a charlie horse in your leg times 10) and the mess that hit me is all a major side effect of that antibiotic! (I knew I disliked them).enough that people have lawsuits over it..So ummm enough with that mess. I have been antibiotics for 14 days total (hence bye bye any infection, which they confirmed last night), so I didn't take it this morning. Cipro pulls all the magnesium and calcium out of your body. So this AM took my multi V's my calcium, magnesium and a banana for potassium, milk thistle to help purge my liver and cranberry and liver cleanse tea. Guess who is feeling a bit human again. Stilll took a half dose of the muscle relaxer, but already on the mend. YAY

[CherylB]

That's fabulous news, Mini! So happy that your Dr is on-top of this. Sounds like she's leaving no stone left unturned. Please keep us posted with the results of all the tests she's running. What WOE did she tell you to follow? That's a key piece of the puzzle, too. HUGS!!! And HUGS to your Mother, too!

MB, if you stop the Cipro before the full course of the antibiotic is taken, you need to start something else to take it's place. That is how "super bugs" have come into the world. The pathogens get stronger from fighting the antibiotic and not getting totally kicked to the curb over the full course of the prescription.

I totally hear you and you shouldn't be taking something that is making you worse, but please ask the Dr what else you can take in its place. You don't want this thing (whatever it is) to come back with a vengeance.

You girls are giving me agita! Anyway, I'm only here to check up on y'all. Off I go, back to my corner of LCF. Have a wonderful weekend, ladies!

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by CherylB

That's fabulous news, Mini! So happy that your Dr is on-top of this. Sounds like she's leaving no stone left unturned. Please keep us posted with the results of all the tests she's running. What WOE did she tell you to follow? That's a key piece of the puzzle, too. HUGS!!! And HUGS to your Mother, too!

MB, if you stop the Cipro before the full course of the antibiotic is taken, you need to start something else to take it's place. That is how "super bugs" have come into the world. The pathogens get stronger from fighting the antibiotic and not getting totally kicked to the curb over the full course of the prescription.

I totally hear you and you shouldn't be taking something that is making you worse, but please ask the Dr what else you can take in its place. You don't want this thing (whatever it is) to come back with a vengeance.

You girls are giving me agita! Anyway, I'm only here to check up on y'all. Off I go, back to my corner of LCF. Have a wonderful weekend, ladies!

Thanks Cheryl...no superbugs for ME...hahaha, I talked to him this afternoon. He is sure that we have had enough antibiotic to consider it a full run, since my labs from the hospital showed NO signs of infection (YAY). Keeping a close monitor on it. Also picked up some probiotics to supplement and rebuild.

Hey MINI!!! (shouting so you don't miss this...LOL) Does oil of oregano happen to be part of your run? I read somewhere it is an amazing antibiotic type herb.

[RileyWorm]

I know the oil of oregano is part of a candida cleansing regimen if that's what maybe you read, Embee. Not my fave, lol. It's like you belch pizza all day. haha.
I am way up again after a family get together yesterday. Not getting why the super carb sensitivity on my part but just gotta keep trucking (that doesn't mean I'm not totally frustrated!). I am fat fasting all week I think. I am not sure why I can't get my butt in gear; did EFGT type eating and got nowhere. I think I need to stay off the scale because I am addicted to the instant gratification of hcg. Also starting a 30 day Bodyrocktv challenge - does anyone do this or heard of it? I think I'm going to keep some of my basic weight training exercises but supplement with the bodyrock workouts.

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

I know the oil of oregano is part of a candida cleansing regimen if that's what maybe you read, Embee. Not my fave, lol. It's like you belch pizza all day. haha.
I am way up again after a family get together yesterday. Not getting why the super carb sensitivity on my part but just gotta keep trucking (that doesn't mean I'm not totally frustrated!). I am fat fasting all week I think. I am not sure why I can't get my butt in gear; did EFGT type eating and got nowhere. I think I need to stay off the scale because I am addicted to the instant gratification of hcg. Also starting a 30 day Bodyrocktv challenge - does anyone do this or heard of it? I think I'm going to keep some of my basic weight training exercises but supplement with the bodyrock workouts.

I read about it for use in UTI and Kidney infections. hahaha on the Pizza Burps. Never heard of the BodyRock but I can't wait to hear how you like it

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

I know the oil of oregano is part of a candida cleansing regimen if that's what maybe you read, Embee. Not my fave, lol. It's like you belch pizza all day. haha.
I am way up again after a family get together yesterday. Not getting why the super carb sensitivity on my part but just gotta keep trucking (that doesn't mean I'm not totally frustrated!). I am fat fasting all week I think. I am not sure why I can't get my butt in gear; did EFGT type eating and got nowhere. I think I need to stay off the scale because I am addicted to the instant gratification of hcg. Also starting a 30 day Bodyrocktv challenge - does anyone do this or heard of it? I think I'm going to keep some of my basic weight training exercises but supplement with the bodyrock workouts.

I have never heard of that one Erin. I totally understand the frustration too with the carb sensitivity. I am the same way. Eat bad a little one day, go up 5 lbs.. ridiculous... Hope you like the new workouts!

[EmBee]

Okay guys I am 1 pound over my two pound allowance 227 / 230, probably due to the toxicity from the Cipro antibiotic (google it and you will know what I have been dealing with) SIGH. I am nearing the end of my 20 days on P3 and am trying to decide whether to start another round or not??? I know that the diet plan has "cleansing" properties so I am wondering if doing a modified version of this will help with the poisoning situation or should I wait untilll ALL the pain is gone (which could take a little time)...I do NOT want to lose ground! I am going to go to an aqua zumba class tonight, even if I just stand and do arm movements... I WILL NOT BE DEFEATED!

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by catjrow3

I have never heard of that one Erin. I totally understand the frustration too with the carb sensitivity. I am the same way. Eat bad a little one day, go up 5 lbs.. ridiculous... Hope you like the new workouts!

Oh Cathy I don't really know much about it but I know it was a part of a kit I ordered for candida. It tasted awful so I couldn't do the multiple rounds like suggested! lol.
I will let you know about the workouts! So exciting bc I can stream YouTube right to my bigscreen Going to give this a shot before investing any money in any workout dvds.
PS Like the new pic!

[catjrow3]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

Oh Cathy I don't really know much about it but I know it was a part of a kit I ordered for candida. It tasted awful so I couldn't do the multiple rounds like suggested! lol.
I will let you know about the workouts! So exciting bc I can stream YouTube right to my bigscreen Going to give this a shot before investing any money in any workout dvds.
PS Like the new pic!

That is nice to stream it instead of buying it! I was talking about the workouts when I said I had not heard of that, but I hear you on the oil of oregano too...blech!!

Thanks about the avatar... switching it up. Let me know how you like the new videos though..

[RileyWorm]

Oh haha! They have a facebook page and a regular website also if you'd like to check it out. The workouts are typically only 12-20 minutes I think and I've heard they are very challenging. I plan to supplement them with weights, etc -- I'll keep you posted.

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by EmBee

Okay guys I am 1 pound over my two pound allowance 227 / 230, probably due to the toxicity from the Cipro antibiotic (google it and you will know what I have been dealing with) SIGH. I am nearing the end of my 20 days on P3 and am trying to decide whether to start another round or not??? I know that the diet plan has "cleansing" properties so I am wondering if doing a modified version of this will help with the poisoning situation or should I wait untilll ALL the pain is gone (which could take a little time)...I do NOT want to lose ground! I am going to go to an aqua zumba class tonight, even if I just stand and do arm movements... I WILL NOT BE DEFEATED!

I really encourage you to stay in P3 or P4 for another 3 weeks, especially since you've been dealing with major health issues. I am sure your extra pound must be water weight! I'm just worried you will aggravate that kidney if you move onto low calories...

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by paulabob

I really encourage you to stay in P3 or P4 for another 3 weeks, especially since you've been dealing with major health issues. I am sure your extra pound must be water weight! I'm just worried you will aggravate that kidney if you move onto low calories...

thanks Paula... I just am ready to feel better and lose again!

[Samsmom01]

I'm a new to this forum and need advice. This is my third time doing HCG and I'm having a very hard time not cheating. This is my second week and today I went off it. I'm wanting to go rogue with this and thought someone could tell me if I stick to low calorie, low fat and low carb ( i would stay at 500 - 600 calories) could I eat say a weight watchers diet? (meaning some of their frozen meals) I just have a hard time sticking to the food on the list.
Thanks

[paulabob]

I don't know if anyone knows for sure Samsmom, but give it a try and tell us how it goes!

[Samsmom01]

Thank you for helping me with my dilemma. After reading some of the postings here, I've decided to up my cal to no more then 800. 500 seems to be a problem with me. I'm also going to try just doing low fat and low carbs. I'm hoping this will keep me from cheating. I'm doing the shots every morning and i'm really not hungry thought the day, but in the evening I'm wanting to eat cookies and chips. I playing around with the idea of unsalted popcorn, but then again the carbs there.

Again, thank you. I'm so glad I found this site. I thought I was the only one that wanted to play around with the allowed food choices. All the postings have been really helpful.

[EmBee]

wondering if this is what has happened to me!!


Hcg Diet & Urinary Problems | LIVESTRONG.COM

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by EmBee

wondering if this is what has happened to me!!


Hcg Diet & Urinary Problems | LIVESTRONG.COM

I think it's possible...although I think it could happen any low calorie diet. I know I ended up using the tablespoon of cranberry on my hcg rounds to head off my own rather minor problems.

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by paulabob

I think it's possible...although I think it could happen any low calorie diet. I know I ended up using the tablespoon of cranberry on my hcg rounds to head off my own rather minor problems.

You are so smart Paula...wish I would have thought of it !!!

[minimonkey]

Embee -- cranberry is great for urinary issues ... and it is possible to even get it in pill form if you don't want the sugar/carbs/etc. from the juice. I'm glad you figured out that the antibiotics were causing problems. Antibiotics are a lifesaver, but they also have some nasty side effects.

Cheryl -- my doc didn't really weigh in on the WOE issue, except to stick with whole foods, and to stick with lower glycemic carbs if I started showing any signs of blood sugar crashing.

I'm still waiting on the results from the labs, but am feeling more energy with the thyroid meds -- that was pretty immediate. My doc seemed to think that a lot of the edema might be thyroid related, or perhaps overall perimenopause hormonal havoc.

I'm not sure how I feel about the hormone replacement, but I will try it for a month and see how it goes. I don't have to stay on it unless I want to.... but at least getting my cycle normal again seems like a good thing.

I'm starting to feel some pain relief with the Lyme herbs, and that is hugely encouraging! Maybe I hit this flare early enough that it won't take a lot to knock it back down. (The hypothyroid may have been contributing a lot to the pain, too.)

Anyhow, I'll keep you guys updated. I'm thinking about giving a try to something JUDDDish in the near future, once the system is back in balance.

[minimonkey]

Oil of oregano is great stuff, and I need to get some more of it. I tend to cycle on and off it regularly, as part of my supplement regimen. It DOES taste nasty -- the capsules aren't so bad (except when burping, lol) but the oil itself is vomitous in my opinion.

It's excellent for candida, and it helps a lot with Lyme, too.

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Oil of oregano is great stuff, and I need to get some more of it. I tend to cycle on and off it regularly, as part of my supplement regimen. It DOES taste nasty -- the capsules aren't so bad (except when burping, lol) but the oil itself is vomitous in my opinion.

It's excellent for candida, and it helps a lot with Lyme, too.

Thanks MINI! Headed out to get some today, the UTI test strips still show some infection and I am going to give the OOO a good try before going the antibiotic route AGAIN... The side effects of the Cipro are almost GONE thank Goodness!! I have had lots of Prayers and thousands (mild exaggeration) going in to counteract that mess. Still having to use the pain relief and Muscle relaxer at night. I am so happy that you are feeling relief!!! I have been very happy with my bio identical hormone and thyroid regime and feel good (when not fighting the kidney issue) .

I have been watching calories portions and percentages (thanks to an online tracker) and am still in my 2 pound P3 WindoW! YAY especially with TOM in a few days. I don't think I will venture back through the HCG route, too scary for me (not sure if that was the reason my kidneys got wacky). It did give me a really good jump start and for that I am very thankful!!! I have added CLA to my routine and Rhodiola, and YES I found some cranberry supplements . You guys are amazing!!!

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Oil of oregano is great stuff, and I need to get some more of it. I tend to cycle on and off it regularly, as part of my supplement regimen. It DOES taste nasty -- the capsules aren't so bad (except when burping, lol) but the oil itself is vomitous in my opinion.

It's excellent for candida, and it helps a lot with Lyme, too.

Okay I had a great reply all typed out and it disappeared!!! Strange with word sent to the Moderator (oh sheesh what did I do now...lol) Thanks Mini on the feedback on the OOO I am headed out to get some capsules today...still think I have some lingering infection (according to test strip) and I want to give that a try before the antibiotic route again. I am sooo happy that things are improving for you!! I absolutely feel wonderful on my bio-identical hormone therapy and thyroid prescription (except when I am fighting the kidney mess) . The Side effects are almost gone thank goodness. I have had tons of prayers and supplements hahaha.

I am still within my 2 pound window for P3 despite all that has gone on. I have been keeping track of everything on my SP tracker. I am probably not going to go back to the HCG after MUCH debating, too scary not knowing whether it was what causied the kidney symptoms . I am adding CLA and Rhodiola to my daily regime and I did find the cranberry supplements....thanks!! You all are awesome!

[CherylB]

It doesn't look like it disappeared at all, EmBee! I see two posts of yours. Do you reply on an iphone or something? You had that weird double post on my journal thread the other day, too. Just wondering if you've got gremlins at work or if it's the equipment.

I have decided that the No S diet is getting me No Where, so I'm loading for a short round of my hhcg pellets today. Tomorrow is VLCD1 and I'll do it for a minimum of 21 days. I just can't stand being this big again. I will sacrifice to get it off of me. I have to, apparently. It's going to take something radical and I'm feeling very radical right now!

I'm going to start a new thread, since this poor "weekly thread" that I started so long ago is still groaning on and on. Let's start fresh, okay? Hope you don't mind me doing that. I guess if you really want to stick with this one, you can. But you can find me on the new thread, which I will post the link to.

~~ Rogue/Alternative HCG/hHCG plans for week of 8.26.12~~

[catjrow3]

Cheryl, its really about mindset.... if you can set your mind to it, you will get through it. You just have to want it bad enough to sacrifice for 21 days... (HUGS)

[CherylB]

I have gotten to the point of "wanting it bad enough." I just did like I have always done in the past and mapped out my round. In fact, I'm going to do two 21-day rounds before the holidays and be in P4 for all of them. Well, actually I will need to take the day off for Thanksgiving. I'll be in P3 but will act like I'm in P4 for that day. Then a week or so later, I'll be in P4 for the rest of the year.

So will you be joining me "over there"?