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fatnomore · 08-01-2012, 01:22 PM

Does anyone use protein shakes or protein waters? I'm really considering using them in p3 to try to not go too overboard but also get in dairy and maybe a fruit a couple of times a day.

EmBee · 08-01-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fatnomore

Does anyone use protein shakes or protein waters? I'm really considering using them in p3 to try to not go too overboard but also get in dairy and maybe a fruit a couple of times a day.

I do!

suzi7 · 08-01-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fatnomore

Does anyone use protein shakes or protein waters? I'm really considering using them in p3 to try to not go too overboard but also get in dairy and maybe a fruit a couple of times a day.

(timidly raising my hand) Me. but then I am veggie hHcg. I kinda live on them, on or off this diet. probably 5x a week, sometimes when I'm busy, more often. I use a really good whey protein that is 25 g protein, almost no carbs (like 3, 4? don't have it in front of me) and no fat. sometimes I mix with ice/water, sometimes 4 oz of NO-fat milk (depends how good I've been all day and what I'm mixing it with lol) I have no problem with dairy on Hcg (course I hold off on my cheeses until P3)

I also for the record eat eggs daily. Usually whites only, with the occasional yolk (and then 1 yolk to four whites). I especially love deviled eggs (which kinda require a yolk). occasional no fat gy too. (not quite daily lol....)

btw this morning's weigh in was 146.6! edging downward....

Susan

EmBee · 08-01-2012, 03:14 PM

Okay so has anyone entered in P3 and continued to lose?? And what happens if you continue to lose while on P3 and does it really matter?? hahaha sorry I am in a weird frame of mind and wondering about the effectiveness of HCG ?? or maybe I'm just bored, I love variety and feel myself wanting to cheat . I can so easly LC it, but HCG I feel like can only be temporary. I lost a spurt and then slowed again. Has anybody lost BETTER without it??

EmBee · 08-01-2012, 04:25 PM

So I know confession is good for the soul, so I am confessing. TOM month and some very sad news about a good friend of my husband and mine ( He was killed while sitting at a stop sign on his motorcycle...hit from behind, died instantly) have made it impossible to resist the brownies that were made for my daughters BF.... sigh, I only ate one and ya know it tasted good ..topped off with the sugar free coconut ice cream. I know the scale will probably show it tomorrows...Oh Well

Crazy PreK Teacher · 08-01-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EmBee

So I know confession is good for the soul, so I am confessing. TOM month and some very sad news about a good friend of my husband and mine ( He was killed while sitting at a stop sign on his motorcycle...hit from behind, died instantly) have made it impossible to resist the brownies that were made for my daughters BF.... sigh, I only ate one and ya know it tasted good ..topped off with the sugar free coconut ice cream. I know the scale will probably show it tomorrows...Oh Well

Oh my...so tragic...motorcycle accidents are on the rise...grrr. I'm not a fan of motorcycles. I wouldn't beat yourself up too much...think of that dessert as a memory to him. Start anew tomorrow.

(((Hugs)))

EmBee · 08-01-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Oh my...so tragic...motorcycle accidents are on the rise...grrr. I'm not a fan of motorcycles. I wouldn't beat yourself up too much...think of that dessert as a memory to him. Start anew tomorrow.

(((Hugs)))

I am definitely not a fan either...thanks for the hugs. Now I am dealing with a bit of a tummy ache, ug. I will jump back on track tomorrow

RileyWorm · 08-01-2012, 06:15 PM

EmBee I am sorry to hear about your friend. HUGS.
To answer your question regarding P3, I tried a rogue P3 to lose 5 more; I was able to lose it, but I bounced back to my LDW very quickly and easily and learned to just let it ride. Stabilization is the most important aspect of P3. So I wouldn't suggest it unless you are very very very careful. I actually gained back the 5 I lost in ONE night.

RileyWorm · 08-01-2012, 06:17 PM

On another note, I am still retaining horrible amounts of water and am at my wits end. I am tenatively trying a water pill to see if that helps with the bloating. I am almost uncomfortable from the bloat in my tummy; the only reason I am trying the water pill is from the quickness in which I gained this water. Grrrr. I hope I don't have a terrible rebound but at this point trying anything. I am also fat fasting tomorrow to see if that drops some water as well.

ReBecca Tu · 08-01-2012, 06:29 PM

Well...it has been a horrific few days. I came down with the flu and violently threw up any and all liquids or foods I would try to eat. I lost so much weight but not in the way I intended to. I was sick for 3 days. yesterday I weighed in at 223.75 pounds...I was able to keep food down a bit yesterday and had a couple of cups of soup and an apple. Today I weighed in at 224.5. I am so grateful to be on the mend. At one point I just wanted to die....never ever have I been so violently sick before. So that is the progress so far.
7/23- 242.5
8/2-224.5

paulabob · 08-01-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ReBecca Tu

Well...it has been a horrific few days. I came down with the flu and violently threw up any and all liquids or foods I would try to eat. I lost so much weight but not in the way I intended to. I was sick for 3 days. yesterday I weighed in at 223.75 pounds...I was able to keep food down a bit yesterday and had a couple of cups of soup and an apple. Today I weighed in at 224.5. I am so grateful to be on the mend. At one point I just wanted to die....never ever have I been so violently sick before. So that is the progress so far.
7/23- 242.5
8/2-224.5

Ouch, sorry you were so sick! Don't be surprised at any post flu regain...sometimes it's just fluid because of the dehydration. Take it easy for awhile...

I just hate summer flus!

minimonkey · 08-01-2012, 11:10 PM

wow, hugs all around! Embee, I am so terribly sorry to hear about your friend! Prayers for you and your husband.

ReBecca -- also very sorry to hear about your flu -- that sounds miserable. Could it have been food poisoning? Almost sounds like it from your description....

Riley -- about the water -- you and me both, girl! I've dropped a bit of it since it was at its worst, but I am still convinced that a good deal of the weight I am currently carrying is water ... it's pretty miserable. OTC water pills did nothing for me at all, so I gave up on those. I'm kinda wondering if you and I are both suffering a refeeding edema, actually. You don't have to be underweight for it to happen, just depleted -- and weight lifters seem to be particularly prone to it for some odd reason (or, maybe they are the only people who write about it, IDK). In any event, we both had the horrid, fast gains, and they seem similar in that regard.

minimonkey · 08-01-2012, 11:25 PM

I'm chugging right along with my p2 experiment -- no idea if it is doing any good or not -- I was certainly getting no scale love as of this morning. Today was the first day I've felt at all hungry or depleted, but that wasn't until the end of a relatively active day, so that isn't bad. I had a snack this evening, and that took care of the hunger.

I am snacking often -- eating a lot of fruit, so carbs have been relatively high -- I think tomorrow I need to get in more protein. I came in somewhere in the 1000 calorie range today -- maybe a little higher. No workout, but moved a bunch of heavy stuff, and did house chores, so I was in motion a lot of the day.

Maybe now that my body finally recognizes a deficit, I'll start losing -- I'd at least love to drop the water weight! I'll keep doing this, and hope for the best. My guess is that I'll start seeing some drops on the scale next week -- that's my typical pattern.

I'm trying to look at the big picture, and stay the course sanely -- dropping calories too low seems like a really BAD idea right now! I am relatively sure I have to lose some weight at 1000 calories, carbs or not, eventually. I'm too active and muscular for that not to constitute some kind of caloric deficit, especially carrying as much extra weight around as I am right at the moment.

On the good news front, my body is remaining warm, and I am continuing to feel good, so that's encouraging.

I rather wish I had weighed last round ... I don't know how soon it was that I started to see water losses ... this seems to be hanging on longer this time. I do feel/see inches coming off, though, and that is a good thing. Eventually the water balance has to stabilize -- doesn't it?

minimonkey · 08-01-2012, 11:32 PM

Riley -- about the water -- when I first got so swollen, it was literally painful! I've heard of this happening to other people after rapid calorie increases, so I am guessing that is what we are going through as well.

I hear you about being at wits' end ... and it seems there is nothing to do but wait it out, assuming it is diet rebound. Most people find it spontaneously resolves almost overnight, but it can take weeks or even months for that to happen.

The good news is that the body is in a very anabolic state while this is happening, so LIFT! Apparently, we are likely to make our best muscle gains right after a state of depletion -- I, personally, am taking as much advantage of that as I can! I do know that I am getting muscle pumps that are much more pronounced than normal, and I am gaining strength faster than normal too.

plarsen · 08-02-2012, 03:43 AM

I live on them! I am busy, so its quick. I make my own with whey protein, greek yogert and fruit or vegs added. Green smoothies

If I am in a horrible hurry I just do the powder,I like to do it in the blender, but a shaker cup, or just stir it in a glass is fine too. If you lift weights its pretty essential stuff for muscle repair I think.

I do this for breakfast daily as its quick, great nutrition and easy.

EmBee · 08-02-2012, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by minimonkey

wow, hugs all around! Embee, I am so terribly sorry to hear about your friend! Prayers for you and your husband.

ReBecca -- also very sorry to hear about your flu -- that sounds miserable. Could it have been food poisoning? Almost sounds like it from your description....

Riley -- about the water -- you and me both, girl! I've dropped a bit of it since it was at its worst, but I am still convinced that a good deal of the weight I am currently carrying is water ... it's pretty miserable. OTC water pills did nothing for me at all, so I gave up on those. I'm kinda wondering if you and I are both suffering a refeeding edema, actually. You don't have to be underweight for it to happen, just depleted -- and weight lifters seem to be particularly prone to it for some odd reason (or, maybe they are the only people who write about it, IDK). In any event, we both had the horrid, fast gains, and they seem similar in that regard.

Thanks Mini...the funeral is this morning at 11, but not before I take in an Aqua Zumba class and sniff some orange oil (it always makes me feel happy ...hahahaha) Maybe I'll pour it on.

I should have known with my weird state of mind yesterday and all around moodiness I would be getting ready to drop some weight...I was teased with a 225 (then the scale popped back up to 229) But it is a sign I am getting ready to release some more....wooo hoo

plarsen · 08-02-2012, 09:10 AM

so sorry about your friend, what a tragedy

I lost another 5 lbs after p2--just watching under 1200 cal and only mistake was not amping protein after lifting. Got my guns back now and am still down 6 lbs since ending p-2

Love this diet because it worked

RileyWorm · 08-02-2012, 10:35 AM

AAAHHH Mini I've had high hopes for the water pills!! I at least feel like I'm not waddling anymore.

My stomach was just SLOSHING around yesterday it was the worst feeling. Though my legs and rump are retaining the brunt of it I can't handle it when it redistributed some to my stomach. I had been taking it easy on the workouts this week mainly because I have been SO TIRED this week, so I am assuming the water and fatigue are related. I don't get periods due to my BC but it was similar feeling. I am fat fasting today (one day only, because we are going out of town this weekend and it will be impossible) and feel better than I have in a few weeks. I think next week my plan is FAT, protein, and asparagus. Asparagus always flushes me out pretty good.
THough I'm NOT glad you are experiencing this also, I am in a way so I'm not alone!!

minimonkey · 08-02-2012, 03:25 PM

I hear ya Riley, on the not feeling alone!

Sorry you are feeling so fatigued -- I do think the water puts a lot of strain on the body. I had pretty bad fatigue the first week or two of this, myself.

If you really don't want to feel alone, do some reading on "post-contest edema" and "refeeding edema." You won't find a lot about normal dieters undergoing this, but there is a ton of info to be gained from reading accounts of bodybuilders and anorexics who start eating after a period of serious calorie restriction -- this is really quite a common thing, and it can actually be pretty darn dangerous if it gets bad enough.

The advice differs, or course, as to what to do, depending on whether one is anorexic of a figure competitor -- bodybuilders return to a somewhat restricted (or, at least clean) diet for a while, work out, drink lots of water. Anorexics are encouraged to eat a lot and rest a lot -- but that makes sense given the damaged states their bodies are in.

In any event, there isn't much of a cure except time, it seems -- and eventually the water balance normalizes.

I think taking it easy when you feel fatigued is wise, at least until this gets better.

I am finally starting to see some relief, and I hope you do, too!

minimonkey · 08-03-2012, 12:26 AM

Another easy day for me -- came in around 1000 calories, give or take a bit -- and I am feeling relaxed, and not at all hungry. I have absolutely no idea why this round is so much different than the previous rogue ones at the same basic calorie level, but this is like a different planet (and I like this planet much better, thank you very much!)

One week in, and cruising strong --- hoping for some good second week losses.

I'm definitely feeling the inches coming off, and the water retention starting to fade, so that is incredibly encouraging. Energy and strength remain good, at least so far, so I have nothing to complain about, even if the losses are a bit on the slow side for an hcg round. I'd much rather have a long, painless round than a short, miserable one (particularly if that short, miserable one is followed by the rebound from H&LL)!

RileyWorm · 08-03-2012, 03:59 AM

Good news, 3 lbs down from my diuretic/FF combo. I feel SO much better. I still have at least 5 more to go until I'm in my comfort zone but that's okay. Today I'm still doing high fat like yesterday but adding in two more sources of protein so hopefully I won't have a bad rebound. I am also going to just take one diuretic pill this morning. Hope you all have a wonderful weekend and a great Friday! We are leaving to go out of town camping today.

minimonkey · 08-03-2012, 02:53 PM

Whoohooo Riley! That's fantastic!

I got no love at all from either of those things (fat fast or diuretics) but it might be worth giving it another try, now that the water has been with me for a bit. It is dropping off, or at least redistributing some -- I'm losing inches, but the scale remains up and down. I'm still waking up with deep lines in my body, all over -- including the upper body -- so I know I am still holding a lot of fluid.

I have a natural diuretic combo, so I think I will try that again, and see what comes of it (it did nothing the first time I tried it.)

I'm still keeping on with my current plan, for now, and trying not to get discouraged by the slow progress.

I'm expecting some scale progress in the coming weeks -- it usually takes a bit for that to start happening (even on protocol calories) -- and with doing the higher calories, it is bound to be a bit slower. I think going true protocol would be a bad, bad idea right now, though, so I am not even thinking about going there!

At least I can *see* progress in my body -- my stomach skin looks all deflated, like an empty balloon... so I know I've dropped a lot of the water from there.(Yeah, that can tighten up any time now....) And, scale notwithstanding, I do look and feel smaller all over than I did a couple of weeks ago.

EmBee · 08-04-2012, 11:38 AM

Okay guys this is day one off hHCG. I decided to give it a rest. Losing had slowed waaaay down and I was noticing and "unhealthy" fear...the kind that was saying, I can't go without the HCG. I personally don't like that kind of dependence on ANYTHING. So we will see how it goes

. I will continue my workouts and following a LC plan. Plus I was feeling "weird" like almost how I felt when I was pregnant, queasy in the AM and very tired, maybe its a fluke I don't know, But I want to give it a test. (Cycle was normal and tubes are tied so I couldn't be pregnant) ...Well enjoying a busy day here. Hope everyone has a great weekend.

bkm · 08-04-2012, 11:52 AM

I also decided to end this P2 round (#3) - my weight has bounced between 127.5# to 128.5# for the last several days - wonder if I need to lose these last few pounds by simply being careful? Anyway, I forgot to take my morning dose, then went shopping - no hcg taken and super-hungry ...

I typically low-carb to the point that it's truly a WOE - I can't imagine eating white bread or processed food or soda or ... But I did eat a banana this morning (and it tasted good, plus I was really hungry and it was super-easy while out shopping) ... well, I'll see how it goes.

I was shopping for a bathing suit bottom today - finally got one in a size 10 (I really needed a 6 or possibly an 8) - but after we hit several stores and went through sale racks, decided there wasn't any such thing! I could find the bottoms in the smaller sizes if they were super-skimpy (not good on a 68-year-old woman!). I would really like to find a bottom that actually came up to my normal waist (the one I finally got almost makes it, but probably because it's too big). How can something be called "tummy control" when it doesn't cover a good portion of your tummy!?

Well, that's my rant for the day - and believe me, shopping for a bathing suit is sooooooooooo much nicer post-hcg!!!

Crazy PreK Teacher · 08-04-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EmBee

Okay guys this is day one off hHCG. I decided to give it a rest. Losing had slowed waaaay down and I was noticing and "unhealthy" fear...the kind that was saying, I can't go without the HCG. I personally don't like that kind of dependence on ANYTHING. So we will see how it goes

. I will continue my workouts and following a LC plan. Plus I was feeling "weird" like almost how I felt when I was pregnant, queasy in the AM and very tired, maybe its a fluke I don't know, But I want to give it a test. (Cycle was normal and tubes are tied so I couldn't be pregnant) ...Well enjoying a busy day here. Hope everyone has a great weekend.

Funny that you mentioned not being able to go w/o the HCG. I am losing so well, I don't want to quit. My hubby told me that I'm addicted to the drops...which got me thinking, am I?? Or am I addicted to the RESULT of losing?? It is now very apparent and showing that the lbs. are flying off and I have 34 lbs. left to goal. I'm almost afraid to stop...kwim?

I am going to do a break soon, as I feeling tired lately, but that may be more of a mental/emotional tired...as I am finally giving up my daycare business in 2 weeks, and it seems like it can't come fast enough

I am worn out...

fatnomore · 08-04-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by suzi7

(timidly raising my hand) Me. but then I am veggie hHcg. I kinda live on them, on or off this diet. probably 5x a week, sometimes when I'm busy, more often. I use a really good whey protein that is 25 g protein, almost no carbs (like 3, 4? don't have it in front of me) and no fat. sometimes I mix with ice/water, sometimes 4 oz of NO-fat milk (depends how good I've been all day and what I'm mixing it with lol) I have no problem with dairy on Hcg (course I hold off on my cheeses until P3)

I also for the record eat eggs daily. Usually whites only, with the occasional yolk (and then 1 yolk to four whites). I especially love deviled eggs (which kinda require a yolk). occasional no fat gy too. (not quite daily lol....)

btw this morning's weigh in was 146.6! edging downward....

Susan

Thanks for the info. I am just starting Phase 3 and I'm really afraid of going to high on the calorie side of things. I know you aren't supposed to worry so much about calories, but my history has always been that I can really pack on weight with meat and such. I am also someone that can live without eating much meat. I got one that is 25g whey protein and 3g carbs. It's Pure Protein. Thought I'd try it out.

fatnomore · 08-04-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by suzi7

(timidly raising my hand) Me. but then I am veggie hHcg. I kinda live on them, on or off this diet. probably 5x a week, sometimes when I'm busy, more often. I use a really good whey protein that is 25 g protein, almost no carbs (like 3, 4? don't have it in front of me) and no fat. sometimes I mix with ice/water, sometimes 4 oz of NO-fat milk (depends how good I've been all day and what I'm mixing it with lol) I have no problem with dairy on Hcg (course I hold off on my cheeses until P3)

I also for the record eat eggs daily. Usually whites only, with the occasional yolk (and then 1 yolk to four whites). I especially love deviled eggs (which kinda require a yolk). occasional no fat gy too. (not quite daily lol....)

btw this morning's weigh in was 146.6! edging downward....

Susan

Contrats on the continual loss. I was slowing down a lot and feeling very tired and hungry all the time on phase 2 with hhcg. I think the dropper might have been contaminated and lost it's effectiveness. Ordered some pelletts from IM. Hope they help when I start again.

fatnomore · 08-04-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by plarsen

I live on them! I am busy, so its quick. I make my own with whey protein, greek yogert and fruit or vegs added. Green smoothies

If I am in a horrible hurry I just do the powder,I like to do it in the blender, but a shaker cup, or just stir it in a glass is fine too. If you lift weights its pretty essential stuff for muscle repair I think.

I do this for breakfast daily as its quick, great nutrition and easy.

Wow! Thanks for the info. It sounds exactly they way I want to do it. I actually figured I would use it as a meal replacement for one meal a day, made as a smoothie with frozen (or fresh) berries and coconut milk. Sounds amazing to me.

fatnomore · 08-04-2012, 12:35 PM

Need a lift

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Well, yesterday was the last day before I could start eating on phase 3. I hadn't been able to go to the bathroom in almost a week and at the end of the day, I was told my 90 day probation period at twork would not be extended. Wow, did that take the wind out of my sails. I really loved that job. I'm an out of work almost 53 y.o xray tech who is trying to stay faithful to the HCG diet. I made it through last night although I wanted a drink really bad. I stuck with club soda and lime. Today I got up with swollen eyes, got on the scale and was down 1.8, took a couple senna lax, ate a nice brekkie of eggs with chicken and cheese (YUM), drank coffee, and finally used the bathroom. Got back on the scale and was already up 1.6 from earlier today. Will try to stay positive. Need a break.

EmBee · 08-04-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Funny that you mentioned not being able to go w/o the HCG. I am losing so well, I don't want to quit. My hubby told me that I'm addicted to the drops...which got me thinking, am I?? Or am I addicted to the RESULT of losing?? It is now very apparent and showing that the lbs. are flying off and I have 34 lbs. left to goal. I'm almost afraid to stop...kwim?

I am going to do a break soon, as I feeling tired lately, but that may be more of a mental/emotional tired...as I am finally giving up my daycare business in 2 weeks, and it seems like it can't come fast enough

I am worn out...

I totally can relate to this!!!...You WILL reach your goal, don't be afraid

. I think the clue that it was time was all of the sudden NO ENERGY, and the whole feeling wonky thing....Don't be afraid to stop

..listen to your body . If you are still losing really well, I wouldn't stop, But I stopped really losing well, so it is time for a break.

08-01-2012, 03:14 PM	#874
EmBee Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 286 Gallery: EmBee Stats: 262/231.4/130 WOE: VLCD hHCG Start Date: May 2012	Okay weird question Okay so has anyone entered in P3 and continued to lose?? And what happens if you continue to lose while on P3 and does it really matter?? hahaha sorry I am in a weird frame of mind and wondering about the effectiveness of HCG ?? or maybe I'm just bored, I love variety and feel myself wanting to cheat . I can so easly LC it, but HCG I feel like can only be temporary. I lost a spurt and then slowed again. Has anybody lost BETTER without it??

08-01-2012, 04:25 PM	#875
EmBee Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 286 Gallery: EmBee Stats: 262/231.4/130 WOE: VLCD hHCG Start Date: May 2012	Confession is good for the soul So I know confession is good for the soul, so I am confessing. TOM month and some very sad news about a good friend of my husband and mine ( He was killed while sitting at a stop sign on his motorcycle...hit from behind, died instantly) have made it impossible to resist the brownies that were made for my daughters BF.... sigh, I only ate one and ya know it tasted good ..topped off with the sugar free coconut ice cream. I know the scale will probably show it tomorrows...Oh Well

08-01-2012, 11:10 PM	#882
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,027 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	wow, hugs all around! Embee, I am so terribly sorry to hear about your friend! Prayers for you and your husband. ReBecca -- also very sorry to hear about your flu -- that sounds miserable. Could it have been food poisoning? Almost sounds like it from your description.... Riley -- about the water -- you and me both, girl! I've dropped a bit of it since it was at its worst, but I am still convinced that a good deal of the weight I am currently carrying is water ... it's pretty miserable. OTC water pills did nothing for me at all, so I gave up on those. I'm kinda wondering if you and I are both suffering a refeeding edema, actually. You don't have to be underweight for it to happen, just depleted -- and weight lifters seem to be particularly prone to it for some odd reason (or, maybe they are the only people who write about it, IDK). In any event, we both had the horrid, fast gains, and they seem similar in that regard. __________________ Rogue p2 cycling: 8/28:128.6 .... 10/7 118.4 ....10/20: 115.8

08-02-2012, 03:43 AM	#885
plarsen Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 111 Gallery: plarsen Stats: 165/ 135/125 WOE: hcg-now modified hcg Start Date: April 2012	Protein shakes I live on them! I am busy, so its quick. I make my own with whey protein, greek yogert and fruit or vegs added. Green smoothies If I am in a horrible hurry I just do the powder,I like to do it in the blender, but a shaker cup, or just stir it in a glass is fine too. If you lift weights its pretty essential stuff for muscle repair I think. I do this for breakfast daily as its quick, great nutrition and easy.

08-02-2012, 10:35 AM	#888
RileyWorm Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,101 Gallery: RileyWorm	AAAHHH Mini I've had high hopes for the water pills!! I at least feel like I'm not waddling anymore. My stomach was just SLOSHING around yesterday it was the worst feeling. Though my legs and rump are retaining the brunt of it I can't handle it when it redistributed some to my stomach. I had been taking it easy on the workouts this week mainly because I have been SO TIRED this week, so I am assuming the water and fatigue are related. I don't get periods due to my BC but it was similar feeling. I am fat fasting today (one day only, because we are going out of town this weekend and it will be impossible) and feel better than I have in a few weeks. I think next week my plan is FAT, protein, and asparagus. Asparagus always flushes me out pretty good. THough I'm NOT glad you are experiencing this also, I am in a way so I'm not alone!! __________________ <3 Erin <3 My Journal: http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/we...l#post15403478 start: 153 goal 1: 143 goal 2: 133 goal 3: 130 (gives me wiggle room) WOE: rogue hcg

08-01-2012, 01:22 PM	#871
fatnomore Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 24 Gallery: fatnomore Stats: 177.4/162.2/140 WOE: HCG Start Date: 07/05/2012	Does anyone use protein shakes or protein waters? I'm really considering using them in p3 to try to not go too overboard but also get in dairy and maybe a fruit a couple of times a day.

08-01-2012, 06:15 PM	#878
RileyWorm Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,101 Gallery: RileyWorm	EmBee I am sorry to hear about your friend. HUGS. To answer your question regarding P3, I tried a rogue P3 to lose 5 more; I was able to lose it, but I bounced back to my LDW very quickly and easily and learned to just let it ride. Stabilization is the most important aspect of P3. So I wouldn't suggest it unless you are very very very careful. I actually gained back the 5 I lost in ONE night.

08-01-2012, 06:17 PM	#879
RileyWorm Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,101 Gallery: RileyWorm	On another note, I am still retaining horrible amounts of water and am at my wits end. I am tenatively trying a water pill to see if that helps with the bloating. I am almost uncomfortable from the bloat in my tummy; the only reason I am trying the water pill is from the quickness in which I gained this water. Grrrr. I hope I don't have a terrible rebound but at this point trying anything. I am also fat fasting tomorrow to see if that drops some water as well.

08-01-2012, 06:29 PM	#880
ReBecca Tu Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 15 Gallery: ReBecca Tu Stats: 260/242/160 WOE: low cal, low carb, low fat Start Date: July 2012	Well...it has been a horrific few days. I came down with the flu and violently threw up any and all liquids or foods I would try to eat. I lost so much weight but not in the way I intended to. I was sick for 3 days. yesterday I weighed in at 223.75 pounds...I was able to keep food down a bit yesterday and had a couple of cups of soup and an apple. Today I weighed in at 224.5. I am so grateful to be on the mend. At one point I just wanted to die....never ever have I been so violently sick before. So that is the progress so far. 7/23- 242.5 8/2-224.5

08-01-2012, 11:25 PM	#883
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,027 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	I'm chugging right along with my p2 experiment -- no idea if it is doing any good or not -- I was certainly getting no scale love as of this morning. Today was the first day I've felt at all hungry or depleted, but that wasn't until the end of a relatively active day, so that isn't bad. I had a snack this evening, and that took care of the hunger. I am snacking often -- eating a lot of fruit, so carbs have been relatively high -- I think tomorrow I need to get in more protein. I came in somewhere in the 1000 calorie range today -- maybe a little higher. No workout, but moved a bunch of heavy stuff, and did house chores, so I was in motion a lot of the day. Maybe now that my body finally recognizes a deficit, I'll start losing -- I'd at least love to drop the water weight! I'll keep doing this, and hope for the best. My guess is that I'll start seeing some drops on the scale next week -- that's my typical pattern. I'm trying to look at the big picture, and stay the course sanely -- dropping calories too low seems like a really BAD idea right now! I am relatively sure I have to lose some weight at 1000 calories, carbs or not, eventually. I'm too active and muscular for that not to constitute some kind of caloric deficit, especially carrying as much extra weight around as I am right at the moment. On the good news front, my body is remaining warm, and I am continuing to feel good, so that's encouraging. I rather wish I had weighed last round ... I don't know how soon it was that I started to see water losses ... this seems to be hanging on longer this time. I do feel/see inches coming off, though, and that is a good thing. Eventually the water balance has to stabilize -- doesn't it?

08-01-2012, 11:32 PM	#884
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,027 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Riley -- about the water -- when I first got so swollen, it was literally painful! I've heard of this happening to other people after rapid calorie increases, so I am guessing that is what we are going through as well. I hear you about being at wits' end ... and it seems there is nothing to do but wait it out, assuming it is diet rebound. Most people find it spontaneously resolves almost overnight, but it can take weeks or even months for that to happen. The good news is that the body is in a very anabolic state while this is happening, so LIFT! Apparently, we are likely to make our best muscle gains right after a state of depletion -- I, personally, am taking as much advantage of that as I can! I do know that I am getting muscle pumps that are much more pronounced than normal, and I am gaining strength faster than normal too.

08-02-2012, 09:10 AM	#887
plarsen Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 111 Gallery: plarsen Stats: 165/ 135/125 WOE: hcg-now modified hcg Start Date: April 2012	so sorry about your friend, what a tragedy I lost another 5 lbs after p2--just watching under 1200 cal and only mistake was not amping protein after lifting. Got my guns back now and am still down 6 lbs since ending p-2 Love this diet because it worked

08-02-2012, 03:25 PM	#889
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,027 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	I hear ya Riley, on the not feeling alone! Sorry you are feeling so fatigued -- I do think the water puts a lot of strain on the body. I had pretty bad fatigue the first week or two of this, myself. If you really don't want to feel alone, do some reading on "post-contest edema" and "refeeding edema." You won't find a lot about normal dieters undergoing this, but there is a ton of info to be gained from reading accounts of bodybuilders and anorexics who start eating after a period of serious calorie restriction -- this is really quite a common thing, and it can actually be pretty darn dangerous if it gets bad enough. The advice differs, or course, as to what to do, depending on whether one is anorexic of a figure competitor -- bodybuilders return to a somewhat restricted (or, at least clean) diet for a while, work out, drink lots of water. Anorexics are encouraged to eat a lot and rest a lot -- but that makes sense given the damaged states their bodies are in. In any event, there isn't much of a cure except time, it seems -- and eventually the water balance normalizes. I think taking it easy when you feel fatigued is wise, at least until this gets better. I am finally starting to see some relief, and I hope you do, too!

08-03-2012, 12:26 AM	#890
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,027 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Another easy day for me -- came in around 1000 calories, give or take a bit -- and I am feeling relaxed, and not at all hungry. I have absolutely no idea why this round is so much different than the previous rogue ones at the same basic calorie level, but this is like a different planet (and I like this planet much better, thank you very much!) One week in, and cruising strong --- hoping for some good second week losses. I'm definitely feeling the inches coming off, and the water retention starting to fade, so that is incredibly encouraging. Energy and strength remain good, at least so far, so I have nothing to complain about, even if the losses are a bit on the slow side for an hcg round. I'd much rather have a long, painless round than a short, miserable one (particularly if that short, miserable one is followed by the rebound from H&LL)!

08-03-2012, 03:59 AM	#891
RileyWorm Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,101 Gallery: RileyWorm	Good news, 3 lbs down from my diuretic/FF combo. I feel SO much better. I still have at least 5 more to go until I'm in my comfort zone but that's okay. Today I'm still doing high fat like yesterday but adding in two more sources of protein so hopefully I won't have a bad rebound. I am also going to just take one diuretic pill this morning. Hope you all have a wonderful weekend and a great Friday! We are leaving to go out of town camping today.

08-03-2012, 02:53 PM	#892
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,027 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Whoohooo Riley! That's fantastic! I got no love at all from either of those things (fat fast or diuretics) but it might be worth giving it another try, now that the water has been with me for a bit. It is dropping off, or at least redistributing some -- I'm losing inches, but the scale remains up and down. I'm still waking up with deep lines in my body, all over -- including the upper body -- so I know I am still holding a lot of fluid. I have a natural diuretic combo, so I think I will try that again, and see what comes of it (it did nothing the first time I tried it.) I'm still keeping on with my current plan, for now, and trying not to get discouraged by the slow progress. I'm expecting some scale progress in the coming weeks -- it usually takes a bit for that to start happening (even on protocol calories) -- and with doing the higher calories, it is bound to be a bit slower. I think going true protocol would be a bad, bad idea right now, though, so I am not even thinking about going there! At least I can see progress in my body -- my stomach skin looks all deflated, like an empty balloon... so I know I've dropped a lot of the water from there.(Yeah, that can tighten up any time now....) And, scale notwithstanding, I do look and feel smaller all over than I did a couple of weeks ago.

08-04-2012, 11:38 AM	#893
EmBee Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 286 Gallery: EmBee Stats: 262/231.4/130 WOE: VLCD hHCG Start Date: May 2012	OFF HCG Okay guys this is day one off hHCG. I decided to give it a rest. Losing had slowed waaaay down and I was noticing and "unhealthy" fear...the kind that was saying, I can't go without the HCG. I personally don't like that kind of dependence on ANYTHING. So we will see how it goes . I will continue my workouts and following a LC plan. Plus I was feeling "weird" like almost how I felt when I was pregnant, queasy in the AM and very tired, maybe its a fluke I don't know, But I want to give it a test. (Cycle was normal and tubes are tied so I couldn't be pregnant) ...Well enjoying a busy day here. Hope everyone has a great weekend.

08-04-2012, 11:52 AM	#894
bkm Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 398 Gallery: bkm Stats: 200/130/130 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 01/01/1994	I also decided to end this P2 round (#3) - my weight has bounced between 127.5# to 128.5# for the last several days - wonder if I need to lose these last few pounds by simply being careful? Anyway, I forgot to take my morning dose, then went shopping - no hcg taken and super-hungry ... I typically low-carb to the point that it's truly a WOE - I can't imagine eating white bread or processed food or soda or ... But I did eat a banana this morning (and it tasted good, plus I was really hungry and it was super-easy while out shopping) ... well, I'll see how it goes. I was shopping for a bathing suit bottom today - finally got one in a size 10 (I really needed a 6 or possibly an 8) - but after we hit several stores and went through sale racks, decided there wasn't any such thing! I could find the bottoms in the smaller sizes if they were super-skimpy (not good on a 68-year-old woman!). I would really like to find a bottom that actually came up to my normal waist (the one I finally got almost makes it, but probably because it's too big). How can something be called "tummy control" when it doesn't cover a good portion of your tummy!? Well, that's my rant for the day - and believe me, shopping for a bathing suit is sooooooooooo much nicer post-hcg!!! __________________ BONNIE 5'7" - 68 years old I've been low-carbing since 01/01/1994 (weighed >200#) - reached my goal weight in 1995 (125#) - maintained with a few blips (gaining up to 160#) along the way - lost weight on HCG but hated the no-fat! - seem to be maintaining comfortably with IF and loving it! ...

08-04-2012, 12:35 PM	#899
fatnomore Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 24 Gallery: fatnomore Stats: 177.4/162.2/140 WOE: HCG Start Date: 07/05/2012	Need a lift -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, yesterday was the last day before I could start eating on phase 3. I hadn't been able to go to the bathroom in almost a week and at the end of the day, I was told my 90 day probation period at twork would not be extended. Wow, did that take the wind out of my sails. I really loved that job. I'm an out of work almost 53 y.o xray tech who is trying to stay faithful to the HCG diet. I made it through last night although I wanted a drink really bad. I stuck with club soda and lime. Today I got up with swollen eyes, got on the scale and was down 1.8, took a couple senna lax, ate a nice brekkie of eggs with chicken and cheese (YUM), drank coffee, and finally used the bathroom. Got back on the scale and was already up 1.6 from earlier today. Will try to stay positive. Need a break.

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