~~ Rogue HCG/hHCG plans for week of June 25, 2012 ~~

[dazygyrl]

she had a broken elbow. which is why she couldnt fly away. so that along with the dehydration and hunger and then the possible west Nile....poor thing had a lot going against her.

[minimonkey]

I didn't realize West Nile was a possibility -- wow. That's fatal pretty quickly in birds, from what I've heard. Depending on how the wing was broken, she could also have had internal injuries from whatever mishap caused the break .... it's just impossible to know, I suppose.

Poor thing

[dazygyrl]

yeah...my friend described how she was acting last evening and the rehab lady said those were telltale behaviors of west nile.

[ReBecca Tu]

So last night I finally ordered some HCG! I searched and searched all over the internet for the right kind...and apparently in Australia it is really hard to find the real hcg as it is illegal to sell a steroid and in the last 6 months to a year customs have been seizing them if you have them sent to you from the states or any other country. I literally spent about 6-7 hours trying to find a place in Australia that had the right one...eventually I ended up getting hcg1234 from ebay. The lady that is selling them is in South Australia so I wont have a huge shipping fee....and I thought that I wouldnt have a long wait for them either...but unfortunately she is out of stock and her new shipment isnt expected until August 6th...so looks like I wont get them until around the 14th. They are from Creative Bioscience. I dont know how she is able to get them into Australia unless maybe as a wholesaler? IDK...but my friend was on these and had excellent results so I hope I got the right ones...in the mean time I will continue dieting until I get them. Has anyone used them before?
On a discouraging note...I didnt eat anything at all yesterday because I really wasnt hungry and I was really busy..but when I stepped on the scale this morning...I had no weight loss at all. That disappointed me because I expected to have dropped at least a pound since I didnt eat. So the plan today is to do just protein like eggs and maybe chicken breast or a steak and see if I have better weight loss results tomorrow..

[catjrow3]

I have used HCG1234 in my first round with great results! They should work well for you! Good luck when you receive them.

[minimonkey]

ReBecca -- glad you found a source for hhcg! A lot of us have used the Intermountain brand with good results (Netrition used to carry it) -- it looks like it is still available -- a google search will reveal how to order it.

Be careful dropping calories too low, with or without hcg -- you really can do damage to your metabolism that way, and set yourself up for major stalling in the future. You have lost a lot of weight very fast, and it is inevitable that it will slow down after the first week or two -- that's normal. Be patient, and don't fall prey to starvation dieting ... it works short term, but it isn't worth it in the long run. (I made that mistake, and am paying for it )

I may have other issues going on -- in fact, I very likely DO have other issues going on -- but gazillions of dieters everywhere will attest to the fact that very low calorie diets (without hcg) are not a long-term solution for weight loss ... they work for a while, but eventually the body gets very run down.

Hcg supposedly has a protective effect against starvation. It does seem to work for a lot of people.

[minimonkey]

EmBee -- yes, I decided to skip loading and just jumped right in. I have done rounds where I loaded, and rounds where I didn't -- and I am not convinced that loading makes much of a difference for me -- I just wasn't willing to risk any further gains at this point.

Day is going well so far -- feeling totally satisfied with my 600 or so calories that I have eaten, and still have Ahi steak and salad left for dinner, assuming I am hungry enough to want it. I need to cook it up in the next day or so ... so if I don't eat it tonight, I'll definitely eat it tomorrow.

[ReBecca Tu]

I have a couple of questions if anyone can help that would be great.
Loading: Do you have to do it? Has anyone not done it and still had good results?
Has anyone gone longer than 40 days on the hcg drops before doing phase 3?
What is the difference between hcg and hhcg?

[minimonkey]

This is one of those individual things: People have done rounds without loading, and some have done fine with it, others have had miserable rounds the whole way through. I've done both, and haven't seen much of a difference one way or the other -- but some people swear that a good load makes all the difference in a successful round.

Likewise with the long rounds .... I, personally, really suggest that you don't do super long rounds without a break -- I think that hurt me a lot in my inability to stabilize and my bad, bad rebound gains (I keep losing and gaining the same 20 lbs, without deviating from the p3 rules ) I suspect that the super long rounds I did contributed to this.

The body gets very run down after a while on low, low calories -- even with the hcg. People who have followed the recommendations for round times and the breaks in between seem to do better in the long run.

We'll support you whatever you do, since we are the rogue group and we don't follow the rules , but I'd hate to see you fall into the trap I've fallen into ...

There are a few people who did really long rounds and did stabilize well -- it isn't entirely clear why this happens to some, and not to others, though.

[ReBecca Tu]

lol Mini...I hadnt seen your post about the loading when I posted mine...so that's one question answered.

I've just ate a boiled egg for breakfast. I had to force myself to eat it...I'm having a stressful home life right now...and I'm one of those that DONT eat when I'm upset instead of someone who comfort eats.
lol...I love food any other time though.

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by ReBecca Tu

I have a couple of questions if anyone can help that would be great.
Loading: Do you have to do it? Has anyone not done it and still had good results?
Has anyone gone longer than 40 days on the hcg drops before doing phase 3?
What is the difference between hcg and hhcg?

1. Protocol is to load. I, personally do not load b' cuz I eat high fat/LC. I have lost over 60 lbs. so far.

2. Round 1=69 days...Round 2=54 days...Round 3=15 days so far. (Lost 30, 25, 8)

3. hHCG=homeopathic, can contain some HCG. ...HCG(usually prescription)=injections or mixed to be sublingual

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by suzi7

Rolling rolling rolling... Finally. N about time! It must have been the drops after all.

Weigh in this morning was 147.8, another 1.6 gone. No hunger either. I will more careful with these drops.

YAY...I am so glad!!! Congratulations

Originally Posted by minimonkey

WhoooHOoo Suzi! Definitely about time, and I am so glad you are seeing results!

Apparently the drops can become deactivated by all sorts of things -- touching the tongue to the dropper, being too close too electronics, heat and light, and other voodoo and black magic, as Paula says (lol!) I know it seems that they lose potency in general, once opened ...

We are supposed to tap the bottle sharply a few times before use, too, (not shake it) -- this apparently helps the potency.

Dazy -- Gorgeous pic, as always!

Embee -- lovin' the avatar!

Thanks ...OOOPs I bet I deactivated mine the first time, I shook the bottle, its only after I have started using the new drops and pellets that I started losing again

Originally Posted by ReBecca Tu

I have a couple of questions if anyone can help that would be great.
Loading: Do you have to do it? Has anyone not done it and still had good results?
Has anyone gone longer than 40 days on the hcg drops before doing phase 3?
What is the difference between hcg and hhcg?

I was always told the better you load, the better you lose. Loading is like 3 thanksgiving dinners and a few high fat snacks. YOU WILL GAIN a little and it is okay, because what you gain in the two days of loading you will take off pretty much in the first two days of the plan. Apparently you are filling the "reserve tanks" so to speak that are empty from dieting or other plans before. Now you will notice Mini didn't load, but I am pretty sure that she has been eating a higher fat diet and I bet that she will lose because of that reason (I am guessing on this one, so Mini hop in and correct me if I am wrong)...I did load and a good chuck of my weight loss was in the first two weeks!!! I lost strongly like about 2 pounds a day the first week and 1.5 pounds the second week...Like a crazy 15 pounds. Then it did slow up here. My eating plan is slightly different, it is my original one and is about 750-800 calories per day. I am not doing rounds, but continuing on the hHCG until I get to goal (as long as it keeps working) which you are supposed to be able to do on the homeopathic drops / Pellets, etc. You will get the hang of it and see good results! We are all here to support you!

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

1. Protocol is to load. I, personally do not load b' cuz I eat high fat/LC. I have lost over 60 lbs. so far.

2. Round 1=69 days...Round 2=54 days...Round 3=15 days so far. (Lost 30, 25, 8)

3. hHCG=homeopathic, can contain some HCG. ...HCG(usually prescription)=injections or mixed to be sublingual

AMAZING Way to go on the Onederlands!!


OOps sorry Mini I didn't see your post before I answered

[ReBecca Tu]

Originally Posted by EmBee

I was always told the better you load, the better you lose. Loading is like 3 thanksgiving dinners and a few high fat snacks. YOU WILL GAIN a little and it is okay, because what you gain in the two days of loading you will take off pretty much in the first two days of the plan. Apparently you are filling the "reserve tanks" so to speak that are empty from dieting or other plans before. Now you will notice Mini didn't load, but I am pretty sure that she has been eating a higher fat diet and I bet that she will lose because of that reason (I am guessing on this one, so Mini hop in and correct me if I am wrong)...I did load and a good chuck of my weight loss was in the first two weeks!!! I lost strongly like about 2 pounds a day the first week and 1.5 pounds the second week...Like a crazy 15 pounds. Then it did slow up here. My eating plan is slightly different, it is my original one and is about 750-800 calories per day. I am not doing rounds, but continuing on the hHCG until I get to goal (as long as it keeps working) which you are supposed to be able to do on the homeopathic drops / Pellets, etc. You will get the hang of it and see good results! We are all here to support you!

Thank you everyone for your answers. Its good to know that I can go longer than the suggested 40 days. I, too, want to continue hcg until I get to goal before I start phase 3.
As far as the loading....well I guess it will depend on when I get my drops. my birthday is the 12th...so if I get them around that date I will probably definitely load on my bday because my girlfriend wants to take me out to dinner and I would love to eat cake on my birthday!
I'm so excited! I cant wait to get them!

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by ReBecca Tu

So last night I finally ordered some HCG! I searched and searched all over the internet for the right kind...and apparently in Australia it is really hard to find the real hcg as it is illegal to sell a steroid and in the last 6 months to a year customs have been seizing them if you have them sent to you from the states or any other country. I literally spent about 6-7 hours trying to find a place in Australia that had the right one...eventually I ended up getting hcg1234 from ebay. The lady that is selling them is in South Australia so I wont have a huge shipping fee....and I thought that I wouldnt have a long wait for them either...but unfortunately she is out of stock and her new shipment isnt expected until August 6th...so looks like I wont get them until around the 14th. They are from Creative Bioscience. I dont know how she is able to get them into Australia unless maybe as a wholesaler? IDK...but my friend was on these and had excellent results so I hope I got the right ones...in the mean time I will continue dieting until I get them. Has anyone used them before?
On a discouraging note...I didnt eat anything at all yesterday because I really wasnt hungry and I was really busy..but when I stepped on the scale this morning...I had no weight loss at all. That disappointed me because I expected to have dropped at least a pound since I didnt eat. So the plan today is to do just protein like eggs and maybe chicken breast or a steak and see if I have better weight loss results tomorrow..

I'm using HCG 1234 right now and I like it the most out of everything I've tried!

[ReBecca Tu]

Can anyone recommend some high fat low cal foods?

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by ReBecca Tu

Can anyone recommend some high fat low cal foods?

Is there such a thing? LOL

Breyer's SF ice cream? I'll have to brain- storm some more.

[bkm]

Originally Posted by ReBecca Tu

Can anyone recommend some high fat low cal foods?

ummm - high fat = high calories (1 gram of fat = 9 calories, whereas a gram of protein or carb = 4 calories) ...

But I sure can recommend a LOT of high fat food:

• cheesecake (made with Splenda, it's low-carb)
• various cheeses
• avocados
• nuts!!!!!
• and just about everything that tastes good!

I follow a fairly low-carb diet normally, so low-fat is a challenge - and probably why the HCG works for me - it likely shook my metabolism up a bit!

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by bkm

ummm - high fat = high calories (1 gram of fat = 9 calories, whereas a gram of protein or carb = 4 calories) ...

But I sure can recommend a LOT of high fat food:

• cheesecake (made with Splenda, it's low-carb)
• various cheeses
• avocados
• nuts!!!!!
• and just about everything that tastes good!

I follow a fairly low-carb diet normally, so low-fat is a challenge - and probably why the HCG works for me - it likely shook my metabolism up a bit!

If we are still talking about loading, You want the calories! But I am doing more of a low carb /Protein/ High fat combo with the hHCG and it is working.

[dazygyrl]

embee...what calorie range, fat g, and protein g range do you keep to?

[minimonkey]

Well, day two finished -- not too bad. Coming in at about 1000 on the nose I think today. I just ate a super yummy dinner -- marinated Ahi Tuna steaks over spinach and arugula... definitely not protocol, but neither am I,

I took a rest day from working out, but did help move some stuff (upstairs neighbors are moving out, and new ones coming in) -- so I did some lugging and some stair climbing ... not a lot though. About ten trips up and down three flights of stairs, carrying moderately heavy objects on the way down ... and also some minor house work tasks.

I can definitely do this type of eating -- just yummy, fresh food! Question is whether I will remain satisfied on 1000 calories (I definitely know I tank on 500, hhcg or not). I hope so -- and I hope I will see some nice, fast losses due to all the inflammation coming off, too! We'll see... but so far, so good.

I'm sleepy quite early tonight, and this is a great thing. I'd been staying up way too late due to insomnia, and really hope to turn my schedule around. I've had rounds where the I had terrible insomnia while on the hcg/hhcg (it happened on both) -- but this time, it seems to be making me want to sleep earlier, which is most welcome!

I've been trying to heal my adrenals the past couple of months -- taking supplements, trying to relax a lot more, cutting down on stimulants, minimizing stress as much as possible... maybe it is starting to work... I really hope so!

[DebbyL]

I''m so happy for you all! It sounds like things are taking a turn for the better all the way around~

I'm still swollen... but continuing to try to "chill"... dropped my coconut oil for the next 3 weeks, on a road trip & not able to keep it at a safe temperature... I'm also going to start eating dairy & eggs, not worry about my coffee, or flavorings. And eat what-ever I can find that is non-gluten, overly processed or goiter den. We are very limited in space for packing, so I didn't bring my foods, however, all my supplements certainly took up a lot of room~ oh my.

I'm doubling my miniscule dose of natural thyroid, see if it helps with the swelling/high blood pressure, adrenal rushes, headaches, etc... I felt pretty good today. My energy is up, just need the above symptoms to go away... weird thing - I was dressed in mega-warm motorcycle clothes, I would get warm, then unzip a bit, then freeze... it was over 80 degrees, and I kept getting cold... how weird am I ?

Keep the encouraging great results coming!!
Blessings All!

[minimonkey]

Debby --I missed the original post where you described all of your symptoms... can you fill me in? I do know you mentioned the possibility of hyperaldosteronism -- I took note of that because I am battling such hideous swelling myself, and suspect an aldosterone or ADH component to it. I wonder why we are having this happen?

My blood pressure isn't up, but something is way off in my fluid balance, even still. I know a lot of this weight is water -- it doesn't behave like normal fat -- it behaves like a very bloated, water logged body! I also suspect an adrenal culprit.

I've definitely had that weird hot/cold dysfunction happen before -- that is also probably hormonal.

[tay65]

I've decided to eat more calories and increase the fat. More or less, a low carb diet. If I lose slower, so be it. I increased my calories/fat yesterday and woke to a .8 drop. I don't consider it a fat fast either because I'll be eating other foods.
I just keep my fingers crossed I'll be able to stabalize when the time comes.

[bkm]

Maybe I don't understand the hcg diet as well as I ought - but I thought that absolute minimal fat intake was paramount - that the hcg pulled body fat when - and only when - there was no dietary fat to be had???

I add some dietary fat into my menu - hence my being on the rogue thread! - but actually not very much, mostly half & half in my morning coffee. I didn't use it during my first P2 round, but then during my second round I tried it and it seemed to not have any adverse effect.

I also eat dairy products - fat-free cottage cheese, fat-free Greek yogurt, and Hood's carb countdown (I think it's a very-low fat milk, too) - it seems to work.

I lose very slowly, but I attribute that to both age and closeness to goal. I would love to add in more fat but I think I'll stick with what is working for the next couple of weeks.

I find it really interesting how different people get various results with the same thing - perhaps the hcg mechanism isn't yet totally understood? But it does work!

[dazygyrl]

i add more fat, b/c i get in a weird place mentally...just one i do not like...when my dietary fat is non-existant. and the extra protein helps to keep hunger at bay. yes, the hhcg helps with that, but i was never totally without hunger. a mere 10g of extra protein makes a big difference. i also eat more calories than protocol.

[minimonkey]

It seems like a lot of people do fine with some fat -- some even lose better that way!

I haven't seen a huge difference in my inability to stabilize one way or the other -- I've done fat free rounds (that made my mental state awful!) and high fat rounds, and just about everything in between! I've never stabilized after any of them, though the last two p3s were the most disastrous of all (and those were after rx drops, and low fat rounds.) So, this time I am doing things very differently, and hoping it works.

So far, at the very least, I am feeling terrific -- lots of energy, and my body just seems to be *working* better --there's no other way to describe it! I hope this keeps up.

Down .2 today -- not much, but any loss is great -- and that is after adding fruit back in to my diet, hence way increasing my carb levels.

Still retaining a ton of water, though -- so I am hoping and praying for a big water drop very soon.

I don't think very-low-carb works for my body at all any more -- something has changed about the way my body processes food. So, I am going to honor that, and eat good carbs for a while. I ate a ton of carbs in the form of fruit last round, and did very well... until p3, when I was hit with the horrid water and weight rebound.

This time, I am sticking to 1000 calories of "moderate everything" -- fat, protein, and carbs. I'm going to try experimenting with some non-fruit carbs during this round... sweet potatoes, maybe a white potato or two -- maybe even gluten free grains... and just watch how my body reacts -- at the moment, I feel a ton better than I did when I was decreasing carbs to nearly nothing.

I'm totally satisfied to take slow losses and make this a very long round if I need to do that -- I plan to transition to maintenance by eating the exact same foods for a while, and just stopping the hhcg when the time comes, and seeing what happens. I will add calories very, very slowly as I transition, and see what results in maintenance.

But that is a ways down the road -- I am still 17 lbs above my acceptable high goal weight -- and I'd definitely like 5 lbs leeway on the other side of that when the time comes.

One day at a time, for now, and I am more concerned with continuing to feel good than I am with fast losses. Any losses at all are success!

[RileyWorm]

This is a bit off-topic but I know some of you might like to read and are also interested in ED. I just finished Portia di Rossi's book Unbearable Lightness about her anorexia and bulimia and I COULD NOT put it down; I finished it in one day. It really gave me an interesting perspective about food and eating habits.

Hope all of you had a nice weekend and are enjoying your Sunday!

Also wanted to add for someone who asked: while I'm not on HCG right now, I added fat in during my last round because I had incredible fatigue and brain fog. I just added in an extra egg and some HWC, and cooked with a bit of butter or mayo here and there and it did wonders for my mental health.

[minimonkey]

I've heard a lot about that book, Riley -- I'd like to read it eventually, but I just have no extra $ at all for the time being.

Yes, fat makes all the difference in my mental health, too -- it doesn't need to be a lot, but the very low fat brings on depression, and I think it is a physiological thing rather than just from feeling deprived psychologically.

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

It seems like a lot of people do fine with some fat -- some even lose better that way!

I haven't seen a huge difference in my inability to stabilize one way or the other -- I've done fat free rounds (that made my mental state awful!) and high fat rounds, and just about everything in between! I've never stabilized after any of them, though the last two p3s were the most disastrous of all (and those were after rx drops, and low fat rounds.) So, this time I am doing things very differently, and hoping it works.

So far, at the very least, I am feeling terrific -- lots of energy, and my body just seems to be *working* better --there's no other way to describe it! I hope this keeps up.

Down .2 today -- not much, but any loss is great -- and that is after adding fruit back in to my diet, hence way increasing my carb levels.

Still retaining a ton of water, though -- so I am hoping and praying for a big water drop very soon.

I don't think very-low-carb works for my body at all any more -- something has changed about the way my body processes food. So, I am going to honor that, and eat good carbs for a while. I ate a ton of carbs in the form of fruit last round, and did very well... until p3, when I was hit with the horrid water and weight rebound.

This time, I am sticking to 1000 calories of "moderate everything" -- fat, protein, and carbs. I'm going to try experimenting with some non-fruit carbs during this round... sweet potatoes, maybe a white potato or two -- maybe even gluten free grains... and just watch how my body reacts -- at the moment, I feel a ton better than I did when I was decreasing carbs to nearly nothing.

I'm totally satisfied to take slow losses and make this a very long round if I need to do that -- I plan to transition to maintenance by eating the exact same foods for a while, and just stopping the hhcg when the time comes, and seeing what happens. I will add calories very, very slowly as I transition, and see what results in maintenance.

But that is a ways down the road -- I am still 17 lbs above my acceptable high goal weight -- and I'd definitely like 5 lbs leeway on the other side of that when the time comes.

One day at a time, for now, and I am more concerned with continuing to feel good than I am with fast losses. Any losses at all are success!

Sounds like the No S plan would be perfect for you!