~~ Rogue HCG/hHCG plans for week of June 25, 2012 ~~

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by EmBee

Wow!!! You have had some amazing results. I honestly had no success with weight loss for a long time (until now) But I have also had alot of hormones out of whack. Paula, this is encouraging...I haven't been under 200 mark for a long time...Heck I haven't been at the 230 that I am at now for about 8 plus years. I will hang in there. I think it is the fear of going back up that is making me more nervous ..It is pretty exciting running to friends I haven't seen in weeks and having them notice that MaryBeth isn't quite so big anymore . (prideful I know...hahaha)

You *should* be proud of those results! You are doing so, so well! Pride is a good thing...it's what keeps us from sliding back up the scale after attaining results.

[EmBee]

Awww Thanks Paula!

Hey Mini, Love the weights you have in your profile pic....my favorite kind! I am back up to using 8's again with some 10's...YAY

[minimonkey]

MB -- I think you definitely should be proud of yourself --I don't think pride is a bad thing, except perhaps pride in the biblical sense, which I interpret to be more like hubris.

Whoo hoo on the lifting!

We have NEW TOYS in our gym! My roommate got some birthday money, and she chose to add to the gym equipment with it -- so we got a second weight bench with ... a SQUAT RACK! I have been wanting one of those for a very long time!!

We're about to start a new system for working out -- it is Cathe Friedrich's STS (Shock Training System) series. It's in three cycles -- the first cycle is focused on muscle growth, the second on endurance, and the the third on strength. So, we need to do initial tests to figure out what our 'one rep max' is for each exercise, and then we can launch into this whole new way of training. It should be an adventure -- and Cathe Friedrich doesn't disappoint.

[Nicole T]

SUPER FRUSTRATED TODAY! Was 176.4 again for the fourth day. I'm on day 6 of my 4th round and have NEVER had a stall this long, this early on before. I usually lose like gangbusters well into the second week. No cheats and eating the same exact things I always eat on plan.

I tried an apple day in my second round once and only got to about 1:00pm and it made me violently ill--migraine, nauseous etc... I'm guessing it had to do with low blood sugar spike/drop since the same exact thing happened to me a few years ago when I tried the Master Cleanse (lemon juice, maple and cayenne pepper). I am a known "protein type" so my body just needs protein and doesn't do well with all sugar and carbs.

I know you can also do a steak day but again, I don't think I would do well not eating anything until dinner due to blood sugar issues.

Has anyone tried anything else to break a stall in P2? I was thinking maybe just eating grilled chicken breast all day but staying under 500 cals. Thanks for any advice!

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

SUPER FRUSTRATED TODAY! Was 176.4 again for the fourth day. I'm on day 6 of my 4th round and have NEVER had a stall this long, this early on before. I usually lose like gangbusters well into the second week. No cheats and eating the same exact things I always eat on plan.

I had an early stall my third round...day 4 thru day 9 (six days). I just waited it out...I could never manage an apple day. He does say nothing wrong with waiting out a stall and that the apple day is psychological to give the patient a mental boost as water leaves the body rather than increasing fat loss.

Maybe someone else has an idea...

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by paulabob

I had an early stall my third round...day 4 thru day 9 (six days). I just waited it out...I could never manage an apple day. He does say nothing wrong with waiting out a stall and that the apple day is psychological to give the patient a mental boost as water leaves the body rather than increasing fat loss.

Maybe someone else has an idea...

Good to know I'm not alone! I have struggled SO much with each round I have done past the first one (I did a 63 day round and seriously don't remember it being all that painful)--it's just so hard when you're hating life AND you aren't losing. At least when you see losses it feels worth the work! And I hate how it affects my mood--seems to basically ruin my whole day

[keepingcupsfull]

You are not alone. I have been stalled for a week now. 173 is stuck on my scale. I tried the apple day, no loss. Fage day no results. Uped my water still stayed the same.

I took a 10 mile walk yesterday and today. I was thinking well the scale will move up but at least it will move. Nope STS. My clothes are getting too big so I know why it's called pounds and inches. I still dont like it.
I will finish out my 23 days and enter p3. Once in p3 I will be happy to be stuck and be stable. So this round didn't help with weight loss but I am a smaller size. my body might need a break. Off to the mall to get a few smaller things

[tay65]

weigh in: 197.5 lbs. Down 1.8 again! Total of 5.3 lbs, includes load wt. I gained, so I count it. I am 1 lb below preload wt though. Happy, happy, happy!

[Nicole T]

Originally Posted by tay65

weigh in: 197.5 lbs. Down 1.8 again! Total of 5.3 lbs, includes load wt. I gained, so I count it. I am 1 lb below preload wt though. Happy, happy, happy!

Congrats Tammy! I know how good it feels to have the load weight off and start losing the "real" weight

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

SUPER FRUSTRATED TODAY! Was 176.4 again for the fourth day. I'm on day 6 of my 4th round and have NEVER had a stall this long, this early on before. I usually lose like gangbusters well into the second week. No cheats and eating the same exact things I always eat on plan.

I tried an apple day in my second round once and only got to about 1:00pm and it made me violently ill--migraine, nauseous etc... I'm guessing it had to do with low blood sugar spike/drop since the same exact thing happened to me a few years ago when I tried the Master Cleanse (lemon juice, maple and cayenne pepper). I am a known "protein type" so my body just needs protein and doesn't do well with all sugar and carbs.

I know you can also do a steak day but again, I don't think I would do well not eating anything until dinner due to blood sugar issues.

Has anyone tried anything else to break a stall in P2? I was thinking maybe just eating grilled chicken breast all day but staying under 500 cals. Thanks for any advice!

Hey Nicole...Don't give up ..take your measurements, they could be moving. I was at an almost 3 week stall, it was CRAZY, but I was losing inches . I did a fat fast day and added coconut oil daily to my plan and have started losing again . I tried apple days but I really cant stand them and I did not notice a big difference after doing one. Hang in there Rock Star you will get there .

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by paulabob

I think I should add that I've been resistant to reaching my weight loss goals with everything. With Weight Watchers I went from 184 to 141....could never reach goal, retried 6 or 7 times. With Atkins I went from 232 to 182, restarted induction again and again (literally for 3 or 4 years), could not dip below 190 again.

So hcg was a God - send for me...took me from 191 to 123. Couldn't quite get to 110 despite 9 rounds (some really rogue JUDDish rounds and other modifications in there).

I just thinks some of us are "resistant." When I needed anti-depressants it was the same way. Something would work for 3 months and then completely peter out. Would try a new drug...after six weeks start working, then work for 3 months and peter out.

I guess the lesson from my own life...for me, is don't be afraid to try new things when the current ones aren't working. But I would never say I didn't appreciate how far hcg got me. From a size 22 to a size 8! Pretty incredible! And a size 8 would be a fine place to be if I didn't have such a tiny frame with so much belly fat still (28.6% body fat right now).

Just wanted to share that...

great recap, paula! i think it shows how valuable hcg/hhcg really can be, even when done rogue. congrats on coming so far and hanging in there so long.

Originally Posted by Nicole T

Good to know I'm not alone! I have struggled SO much with each round I have done past the first one (I did a 63 day round and seriously don't remember it being all that painful)--it's just so hard when you're hating life AND you aren't losing. At least when you see losses it feels worth the work! And I hate how it affects my mood--seems to basically ruin my whole day

i hear that, nicole. i think our bodies are so hard-wired to prevent starvation that the more attempts we make at a diet plan, the harder it is to make it work. maybe change up your eating plan? increase the daily calorie limit?

Originally Posted by tay65

weigh in: 197.5 lbs. Down 1.8 again! Total of 5.3 lbs, includes load wt. I gained, so I count it. I am 1 lb below preload wt though. Happy, happy, happy!

nice, tammy! keep it up, sweetie.

[EmBee]

Okay you definitely have to use your imagination to see this, but today I was helping my hubby mow the lawn. When suddenly the little riding mower became "possessed" and I was doing doughnuts around and around in the yard...hahahah One neighbor was driving by stopped to see "what in the Heck are you doing"...lol (much to the NON amusement of my hubby, the steering went out...hahaha,) Wish I had video of the moment.

Secondly those who are doing a bit of rogue with HCG, here is a super simple squash recipe.

Layer zucchini or yellow squash (or both ) with parmesan cheese... Bake at 500 *yes 500* for 15-20 minutes...YUMMMMM good with anything. I personally wonder if just one layer would be good with parmesan on a cookie sheet, I did 4

[EmBee]

What my kids do when they are bored...LOL <3, this is for a contest

Packing Light - YouTube

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by EmBee

What my kids do when they are bored...LOL <3, this is for a contest

Ah, very cute! Loved it!

[minimonkey]

Howdy, lovelies!

Still no scale change over here -- it's day two of no dairy for me. I feel a bit better physically, but the scale weight isn't budging.

I guess there's nothing to do but just ride through this -- TOM is pretty much finished, but all the hormonal stuff is still hanging on. I am hating perimenopause

Sorry to hear about all the stalls and frustration -- but if inches are coming off, then that is victory in itself. Apple days never worked for me -- didn't move the scale, and made me feel awful, too.

Just wishing you all a good and successful day.

[tay65]

weighed later after more sleep and weighed 196.5! Thats 2.8 lbs gone! Thats a whoosh!!!!

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by tay65

weighed later after more sleep and weighed 196.5! Thats 2.8 lbs gone! Thats a whoosh!!!!

YAY...is this your second round???

[redhotbean]

Hello Everyone,

I just started HCG drops July 5th and I have lost as of Friday 10.1 lbs. and 12 inches. BUT, then Friday night we had Pizza and then Sat. I had two beers. I am up 9 oz. Back on today but I am alittle rogue. I have creamer in my coffee and I have salad with alittle olive oil or coconut oil.
I have used the injections last time and had no hunger. This time with the drops very hungry, stomach growling all the time. Any help on this? Also alot of headaches which I didn't have on the injections.
Also do I have to stop the drops with my period? I didn't when I had the injections. I appreciate any help. I think I will go up on calories to 700 though. I was at 800 on the injections.

Thanks Kim

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by redhotbean

Hello Everyone,

I just started HCG drops July 5th and I have lost as of Friday 10.1 lbs. and 12 inches. BUT, then Friday night we had Pizza and then Sat. I had two beers. I am up 9 oz. Back on today but I am alittle rogue. I have creamer in my coffee and I have salad with alittle olive oil or coconut oil.
I have used the injections last time and had no hunger. This time with the drops very hungry, stomach growling all the time. Any help on this? Also alot of headaches which I didn't have on the injections.
Also do I have to stop the drops with my period? I didn't when I had the injections. I appreciate any help. I think I will go up on calories to 700 though. I was at 800 on the injections.

Thanks Kim

I never have stopped with my cycle, I was told I didn't have to with the drops. I do know I did get a little hungry, but not that much. Are you sure your drops actually have hcg in them??? I dont get hungry with the hHCG. Also my plan is 750 calories so that could be why

[tay65]

Originally Posted by EmBee

YAY...is this your second round???

Last yr I did 1 full round and then completely failed twice after that. My son had left for the army and I was an emotional mess. I cried every day for weeks! I still cry once in a while bc I miss him terribly. But I can focus now. My last attempt was about 3 1/2 mos ago.
So now I'm gonna see how long I can ride this round out before I have trouble and I'm going to do a full P3 and some P4 so I won't be cycling. I think that was part of the problem too.
I'm hoping my loss sticks! I've never had losses so big before.

[minimonkey]

Whooohooo Tay! You deserve a great round-- let's hope this one is easy and hugely successful!

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by redhotbean

Hello Everyone,

I just started HCG drops July 5th and I have lost as of Friday 10.1 lbs. and 12 inches. BUT, then Friday night we had Pizza and then Sat. I had two beers. I am up 9 oz. Back on today but I am alittle rogue. I have creamer in my coffee and I have salad with alittle olive oil or coconut oil.
I have used the injections last time and had no hunger. This time with the drops very hungry, stomach growling all the time. Any help on this? Also alot of headaches which I didn't have on the injections.
Also do I have to stop the drops with my period? I didn't when I had the injections. I appreciate any help. I think I will go up on calories to 700 though. I was at 800 on the injections.

Thanks Kim

about the "hunger": I use hHcg drops and last round (my first lol) I had to increase from the "base" dose (10 3x/da) to doing 8 4x/da. that did away with the hunger. This time I did 10 3x/da for my load and now today am switching to the 8 4x/da right off. works for me.

[suzi7]

Just checking in. I survived loading! (Yah! me!) I HATE HATE HATE loading. but I think I did a good load.... may have set a new record (gained almost 10 pounds ). and I am so bloated and inflamed and congested and just generally sick. BLAH! even tho I tried to make my choices high fat, I ate carbs (and of course my friends and family helped out...). Complex, simple, and that ole foe sugar. UGH. NEVER AGAIN. once I complete this round, I am never going back to the "carb" side.

This is the "old" me. My hip hurts so bad I can hardly walk! (never bothered me after the first week of R1) My stomach, well, I gained back a lot of those 8 inches I lost on the last round (temporarily, I know). Big bloated belly! and I feel, how is it my dear low-carb-for-life sister put it... yes, HUNG OVER. miserable. sluggish. wasted. OLD.

I think maybe this is ONE of the big points of loading: to remind us of how we used to feel when we ate all that junk and make us look forward to healthy (albeit VLC) healthy eating again. I know it worked for me. I am EXCITED about today and excited to get the "new me" back! gonna do a clean (ok, roguishly clean) round, veggie style. VLCD 1!!! bring it on!!

[dazygyrl]

soooo, there is this little thing called life...my weekend was really good....got to spend lots of time with great friends fri-sat-sun...but, my round seems to have gotten interrupted. i have just lived this weekend, but feel like the damage wasn't/hasn't been catastrophic. i was supposed to change my patch today, but i just took it off and will leave it off....am supposed to have company tonight...lunch with a friend tomorrow...in the city all day with kyle and his surgery on wed...evening plans with a friend on thurs...then fri-sun hubby and i are running away. my sister is giving us 2 nights away without kiddos. sooo, as you can see sticking to protocol is/was difficult this weekend and the coming week. i feel ok about it and am not about to let food get in the way of enjoying my coming week....i will simply do my best to have balance and see how all my combined woe's will mesh together --- no-s, IF, LC, JUDDD....gonna mix 'em all up and use fragments from each as i really do like the elements of each of them, i just need to mesh them together in a way that suits me. as far as i know, once this week is over, i *should* be able to go back to my patch so i can keep losing for our cruise...but will need to order more patches. i have 3 left which is 9 days.

[tay65]

Quick check in. day4 -.4 for a total of 6.7 lbs so far. I had maybe too much yesterday, but I'll gladly take .4!

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

soooo, there is this little thing called life...my weekend was really good....got to spend lots of time with great friends fri-sat-sun...but, my round seems to have gotten interrupted. i have just lived this weekend, but feel like the damage wasn't/hasn't been catastrophic. i was supposed to change my patch today, but i just took it off and will leave it off....am supposed to have company tonight...lunch with a friend tomorrow...in the city all day with kyle and his surgery on wed...evening plans with a friend on thurs...then fri-sun hubby and i are running away. my sister is giving us 2 nights away without kiddos. sooo, as you can see sticking to protocol is/was difficult this weekend and the coming week. i feel ok about it and am not about to let food get in the way of enjoying my coming week....i will simply do my best to have balance and see how all my combined woe's will mesh together --- no-s, IF, LC, JUDDD....gonna mix 'em all up and use fragments from each as i really do like the elements of each of them, i just need to mesh them together in a way that suits me. as far as i know, once this week is over, i *should* be able to go back to my patch so i can keep losing for our cruise...but will need to order more patches. i have 3 left which is 9 days.

Okay the patch is new to me...is that perscription?? Have you lost well with it?? Has it messed with your cycle

Originally Posted by suzi7

Just checking in. I survived loading! (Yah! me!) I HATE HATE HATE loading. but I think I did a good load.... may have set a new record (gained almost 10 pounds ). and I am so bloated and inflamed and congested and just generally sick. BLAH! even tho I tried to make my choices high fat, I ate carbs (and of course my friends and family helped out...). Complex, simple, and that ole foe sugar. UGH. NEVER AGAIN. once I complete this round, I am never going back to the "carb" side.

This is the "old" me. My hip hurts so bad I can hardly walk! (never bothered me after the first week of R1) My stomach, well, I gained back a lot of those 8 inches I lost on the last round (temporarily, I know). Big bloated belly! and I feel, how is it my dear low-carb-for-life sister put it... yes, HUNG OVER. miserable. sluggish. wasted. OLD.

I think maybe this is ONE of the big points of loading: to remind us of how we used to feel when we ate all that junk and make us look forward to healthy (albeit VLC) healthy eating again. I know it worked for me. I am EXCITED about today and excited to get the "new me" back! gonna do a clean (ok, roguishly clean) round, veggie style. VLCD 1!!! bring it on!!

I know I thought loading would be "FUN"...I was ill, I so can relate to this. What did me in was the major two day headache I got the first 2 days of protocol..YUCKY!

Off to run my morning errands...No losses for me today :/...actually a .5 gain, but that is typical for me. Did jump up and went to a water toning / deep water fitness class this morning. Tonight is Aqua Zumba, I better make sure I get the extra protein. Someone tell me again WHY we aren't supposed to exercise. This is the ONE thing I cannot let go of, especially since it too long develop the good habit and love for it.

[dazygyrl]

patch is homeopathic. cycle is fine. i'm pretty rogue...lost 3.6 the first full week of vlcd and a whole .4 the next. proly due to my rogueness...then got interrupted...i'll go to it, i think...after this week.

[goddesslynne]

EmBee, as I recall from P&I, it's recommended to not START a new exercise program, but one that is already well established is ok. Within reason, of course. Probably not training for a marathon, LOL!!

I think for a similar reason, a lot of diet plans put a time limit on exercise, such as 45 minutes a day, max.

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by goddesslynne

EmBee, as I recall from P&I, it's recommended to not START a new exercise program, but one that is already well established is ok. Within reason, of course. Probably not training for a marathon, LOL!!

I think for a similar reason, a lot of diet plans put a time limit on exercise, such as 45 minutes a day, max.

YAy this is good to know, mine were definitely well established and I slowed down because at the doctors office they told me too, but that didn't last long

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

patch is homeopathic. cycle is fine. i'm pretty rogue...lost 3.6 the first full week of vlcd and a whole .4 the next. proly due to my rogueness...then got interrupted...i'll go to it, i think...after this week.

Cool...that sounds so EASY! You wouldn't forget taking drops for sure