~~ Rogue HCG/hHCG plans for week of June 25, 2012 ~~

[privatediva]

HOLY moly...this thread went nuts

HI PAULA! You were very missed!

I am doing fine. Maintaining easily. We ate out last night after our symphony subscription concert and I had all kinds of good (decadent) stuff. White cheddar fondu with apples and bavarian pretzles, pork chop with black cherry sauce and goat cheese mashed potatoes, bacon wrapped asparagus and a half piece of Paradise Cake (a super rich pineapple carrot cake with coconut cream cheese frosting. Holy crap it was miraculous). No gain, but I am leery of that "second day" thing, so I've been squeaky clean today and am drinking buckets of water (it's 103 here...just miserable)

So...I don't feel deprived because I made some fantastic protein pancakes for my dinner. I have to share the recipe, they are ridiculously good.

Pecan Coconut Chocolate Chip Protein Pancakes

In blender:

1/2 C cottage cheese
1/4 cup vanilla whey protein
1/4 cup vanilla egg white protein
2 eggs
2 TBLSP SF Salted Caramel Torani
1/4 tsp coconut extract
pinch of sea salt
2 tsp baking powder

blend and let sit for 5 minutes until thick

Spoon onto griddle. While they cook sprinkle a bit of unsweetened coconut flakes, a little chopped pecan (about one pecan half per pancake is about right) and five Sugar Free mini chocolate chips. When you see bubbles on the top side, flip them but don't cook very long on the second side. They're better if they're a little underdone.

OMGOMGOMG!!! I really liked the added texture from the nuts

[keepingcupsfull]

Ready for vlcd1 tomorrow. On my 5th and final round as I did not stock up on pellets..I also think if I did order more I would have them as back up and not be serious this round. So I need to do well. I'm going to try eating only when hungry and see how that works out as I don't remember what hunger feels like.

Wishing everyone good losses this round.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

No ...my surgeries are not planned yet...time & money...I just know that it's to be done in the future. Yes...total body lift...breast augmentation...batwings removed...lipo in thighs to break up fat (then thigh lift later). Of all the surgeries needed...I would be happy w/ just having the panni ( stomach ) removed...I can live w/ the rest. I am not big boned...5'6"...but tend to be small on top...very curvy on bottom...very out of proportion...lol. Buying dresses are tough...have to be looser on bottom...so everything falls off the shoulders.

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

Such a great idea on how to show your weight/count down on your signature... Would you mind if I copied you?

Of course you can! I just put the weight I'm at in bold and the rest in regular. Tomorrow I'll be down a few and you'll see how it goes.

That's a lot of surgery, sweetie. Maybe do the Panni and then work up to the other procedures as time and money permit. I hear you on have one area that really bothers you more than others. I hate my arms and my gut, but the arms are my worst area. And I don't like the little turkey wobble under my face. I hate my profile for that reason.

Oh, don't get me started on shopping woes. I have to go find a dress and shoes and a purse for the wedding this Saturday. I have nothing that fits and I haven't been to a wedding since I went to my own, and that was all the way back to 1996! Not a lot of weddings in my family. The two other nephews who tied the knot both got married in Las Vegas and none of us could afford to go. One lived in CT at the time so that was pretty lame. But the other one was actually living in Vegas. I know he was very hurt and upset that so few of us went, but I reminded him that no one flew out there to attend mine, either. It sucks, but what else is new?

Anyway, I have to suck it up and go shopping either tomorrow or Wednesday. I have to find something that looks nice but is very comfortable. It will have to be dark in color or it won't make me look slimmer. I was thinking about black but that's more what you wear to a funeral than a wedding.

Is it okay to wear black to a wedding???

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Welcome Lera Jean and Crazy PreK!

WELCOME BACK PAULA!!! WE MISSED YOU!! And so glad you are posting again, Cathy!

I'm still hanging in with JUDDD -- feeling much more satisfied on less food today, so that's encouraging. I'm still thinking I can maybe make this work, though the first couple weeks have been a crazy rollercoaster ride. I plan to hit the gym for some HIIT on the rebounder later this evening

I'm posting over on the JUDDD threads a bit, but actually feel you folks are in a better position to really support me, since you know the details of my dieting and health history for the last couple of years. I love you guys!!!

We love you too, honey! You're always welcome to hang here with us.

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

ok, i have to share with you a very simple yet very 2x4 up the side of the head-ish thought from miss diva.

i can do anything for a short time...noah taught me that.

(although she said we and us...i'm just personalizing for myself...i need it)



thank you, deb...

Truer words were never spoken.

Originally Posted by keepingcupsfull

Ready for vlcd1 tomorrow. On my 5th and final round as I did not stock up on pellets..I also think if I did order more I would have them as back up and not be serious this round. So I need to do well. I'm going to try eating only when hungry and see how that works out as I don't remember what hunger feels like.

Wishing everyone good losses this round.

Good luck! Hope you get to your goal this round (whatever goal that may be.)

I didn't comment on everyone's posts but I did try my best. I'm pooped! Will post my equine adventure here:

Originally Posted by CherylB

I just got finished with my equine care this evening. It was storming soon after I got there. I could see it coming as I drove like mad to get there before it hit. It was another bad T-storm cell just like the one we had at 0800. So I quickly mucked out the two stalls in the barn so we could take those horses back in from the paddock before they were going bonkers with the thunder and lightening.

After the worst of the storm had passed, I went back out to get busy. I knew there was too much work to do and I hate sitting around inside doing nothing. The equine manager had emailed the staff girl and said that we needed to go inside cause it was going to be too rough.

Anyway, we mucked the stalls and groomed the six horses and did their hay and grain, then we swept out the barn and headed for home. Tomorrow will be another interesting day. There was a death in the family, so to speak. I didn't know this woman who was involved with the therapy center but she passed and tomorrow is her Wake. I won't be going but that means I'll likely be doing much of the work alone. I told them I was fine about it and that I'd come early.

When I was grooming one of the horses (one of my favorites), she reached back and started chomping on her rear leg. Something was bothering her so I decided to itch it for her but she just kept chomping. When she finally stopped, I took the hard bristled brush and went to town on that area. She was curling her lip. LOL! I couldn't see it well but the other girl was saying, "Whatever you're doing, she's enjoying it!"

After leaving there I had to go get gasoline and stop for dog food and treats. I looked like quite the dork, with hay sticking out of my clothes. But the gas was too low to put it off another day.

That's my barn story for today. Will have a new one tomorrow! Hope it goes well.

So that's why I'm tired! Off to bed and hopefully will sleep like a normal person tonight. Still kicking sleeping pills and doing pretty dog-gone well. Room for improvement, though!

Night, ladies. See you on the flip side.

[DebbyL]

Hi everyone!
I'm new to HCG... thought I might try it to get the last 9 lbs. off. Hoping I don't have to go as extreme to get the results... I kinda like the diet I'm doing now, except that it stalled.
I'm interested to hear any variations that would work with it.

[minimonkey]

Welcome Debby! This is the place to be if you want to try hcg rogue style!

I've done well in rounds where I added coconut oil, and other fats, and kept the calories at 1000 or less daily. I've also done quite a bit of the Atkins Fat Fast (1000 calories, 90 percent from fat) combined with hcg, and had good losses with that.

All that said, I never managed to stabilize in p3, so take my advice with a big grain of salt, lol! Glad you are here!

[minimonkey]

SO glad this thread is so jammin' right now! Today was better, Juddding wise -- I think I came in a little high of my recommeded daily up day number, but not much. I didn't get in my workout though -- life intervened. Oh well, I will get one in tomorrow.

I am dreading my down day tomorrow, but I will at least have all my fab hcg buddies (who aren't loading) eating the 500 calories right along with me!

[Star73]

Hey everyone! What is going "rogue" with hcg? I'm feeling kinda rogue

I'm trying HCG again. I've had migraines the last two times I've tried it so I'm hoping the third time is the charm or I'm just going to try and tough it out. I love the energy I have on HCG and I love how it suppresses my appetite.

[DisneyPrincess]

Look at this! Makes me wish I was joining you all! Ummm....never mind. I'm glad im not

I'm maintaining nicely at around a 5 pound gain from mid April. I'm happy with that. At this point in my last pregnancy I was already up about 15 pounds!

Evening walks are going to have to end though as 100* is just too much for me, baby, and my son. I have time in the mornings so it looks like I'll be doing something then.

Good luck to everyone. I'll be taking notes for when it's my turn again!

[dazygyrl]

day 2 of loading. keeping it very high fat. i never thought my beloved PB would ever have a hard time going down, but alas, it did yesterday. strangely, after a high fat day WITH the patch on, i woke up starving this morning. not going to read into that too much.

good to see everyone!

[dazygyrl]

mini...i, too, initally loved the premise of juddd with the built in correction days. but began to dread the DDs...it wasn't that i couldn't stick to the DD cal limit, i could...easily...i just dreaded it. didn't want to live that way.

this is how i hope to maintain...No S Diet: No snacks, sweets, seconds, except on days that start with S. ...i followed the premise for a couple weeks and didn't see any losses...not really sure where i was going wrong there as i stuck to it, but just didn't have to time to refine it to lose before our cruise. but i think it's a great maintenance plan. just wanted to offer you something else to consider...not sure at all about anti-inflammatory stuff, but how can you possibly be getting anti-inflammatory effects when your just not happy with your woe? i would think that could contribute... but like i said, i know virtually nothing about those things.

[DebbyL]

Thank Mini,
You look great in the picture! Lovely arms... something I'm working on too.

Your CO/1000 cal plan sounds perfect for me... I don't understand the loading or the set-point thingy... possibly that info comes with the drops... and hopefully it will work for kicking this dumb plateau. Although if it mostly takes away hunger I don't really need that.

Glad I found you guys!

[paulabob]

I mostly maintained on JUDDD, although I did get some positive reshaping...little improvement in waist hip ratio. Somehow I think I was still in starvation mode or I should have lost weight. I did really like JUDDD, just had more difficulty sticking to my UD calories than my DD calories.

I think sometimes there will be no perfect maintenance plan but we may need to shift from plan to plan when one stops working for us. Or that might be my rather frantic enjoyment of trying new plans?

[DebbyL]

Were any of you able to get to your goal wt. on this? How about maintaining?

Also, why wouldn't you be able to exercise? Maybe if that's for the 500 cal. people... or is it something in the HCG?

What's up with no make-up??

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by DebbyL

Hi everyone!
I'm new to HCG... thought I might try it to get the last 9 lbs. off. Hoping I don't have to go as extreme to get the results... I kinda like the diet I'm doing now, except that it stalled.
I'm interested to hear any variations that would work with it.

Debby! Mini gave you some good anecdotal info but like she said, she had trouble stabilizing in P3. Maybe just eat a little higher fat than you normally would on a P2 and try to stick to a formulated plan. Check out the Omaha Weight Loss HCG plan (google it.) I did that the first round and it was nice. Still low fat, though.

I think for your first shot at it, it's best not to be TOO rogue. High fat might be really rough-going. But until you try it, you'll never know. So do what you think is best.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

SO glad this thread is so jammin' right now! Today was better, Juddding wise -- I think I came in a little high of my recommeded daily up day number, but not much. I didn't get in my workout though -- life intervened. Oh well, I will get one in tomorrow.

I am dreading my down day tomorrow, but I will at least have all my fab hcg buddies (who aren't loading) eating the 500 calories right along with me!

Juddd is just not my plan. I've tried it two times and each time I go into a tail spin. Not for me! You're right, Mini. We are all doing the 500 (or so) days now so you are not alone.

Originally Posted by Star73

Hey everyone! What is going "rogue" with hcg? I'm feeling kinda rogue

I'm trying HCG again. I've had migraines the last two times I've tried it so I'm hoping the third time is the charm or I'm just going to try and tough it out. I love the energy I have on HCG and I love how it suppresses my appetite.

, Star! Another newbie! Lookie here, ladies and gents! Anything that is different from the original Simeons' protocol is considered "rogue." So if you familiarize yourself by reading Pounds and Inches (free download on the web), you can see what doesn't sit well with you and then decide what you can and can't live with and just go from there. I really did like the OWL (Omaha Weight Loss) plan in round 1. I just had trouble ever getting back into the zone in further rounds. Round 1 was my only true round.

Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess

Look at this! Makes me wish I was joining you all! Ummm....never mind. I'm glad im not

I'm maintaining nicely at around a 5 pound gain from mid April. I'm happy with that. At this point in my last pregnancy I was already up about 15 pounds!

Evening walks are going to have to end though as 100* is just too much for me, baby, and my son. I have time in the mornings so it looks like I'll be doing something then.

Good luck to everyone. I'll be taking notes for when it's my turn again!

You ARE doing HCG. You're doing the natural kind! That's nice that you aren't gaining a ton of weight with this pregnancy. I'm sure you are eating enough so I'm not worried about you. You're a great Momma and you'll do what is required for a healthy bundle of joy. (Yes! Take those notes for later.)

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

day 2 of loading. keeping it very high fat. i never thought my beloved PB would ever have a hard time going down, but alas, it did yesterday. strangely, after a high fat day WITH the patch on, i woke up starving this morning. not going to read into that too much.

good to see everyone!

I've never done just a high-fat load. I eat like there is no tomorrow! Sorry you had hunger this morning but the thing you need to know about patches is they take a while to get your system fully loaded with a drug. (You're a nurse, right? I'm preaching to the choir.) You'll feel better soon. Maybe load for 3 days just to be sure? Or take some SL pellets or drops to give yourself a little extra boost?

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

mini...i, too, initally loved the premise of juddd with the built in correction days. but began to dread the DDs...it wasn't that i couldn't stick to the DD cal limit, i could...easily...i just dreaded it. didn't want to live that way.

this is how i hope to maintain...No S Diet: No snacks, sweets, seconds, except on days that start with S. ...i followed the premise for a couple weeks and didn't see any losses...not really sure where i was going wrong there as i stuck to it, but just didn't have to time to refine it to lose before our cruise. but i think it's a great maintenance plan. just wanted to offer you something else to consider...not sure at all about anti-inflammatory stuff, but how can you possibly be getting anti-inflammatory effects when your just not happy with your woe? i would think that could contribute... but like i said, i know virtually nothing about those things.

That sounds like an interesting plan. It makes me want to come up with my own catchy diet plan myself! When I get to maintenance, I want to eat like a normal human being. No rules, no boundaries, just sensible eating and staying busy. That's the only way I'll ever spend the rest of my life in relative happiness. I will need to steer clear of all binge-trigger-foods though. That much I know!

Originally Posted by DebbyL

Thank Mini,
You look great in the picture! Lovely arms... something I'm working on too.

Your CO/1000 cal plan sounds perfect for me... I don't understand the loading or the set-point thingy... possibly that info comes with the drops... and hopefully it will work for kicking this dumb plateau. Although if it mostly takes away hunger I don't really need that.

Glad I found you guys!

Loading is to make sure your glycogen stores are filled to the brim for when you begin the 500 calorie part of the diet. It also gives you time to get up to the right level of having hhcg in your system. Lots of people who don't bother to load have trouble with hunger in their round. I always load. It's the best part of the diet!

Not sure what you mean by "set-point thingy." Can you elaborate?

We're glad you found us, too! When do you expect your drops to arrive?

Originally Posted by paulabob

I mostly maintained on JUDDD, although I did get some positive reshaping...little improvement in waist hip ratio. Somehow I think I was still in starvation mode or I should have lost weight. I did really like JUDDD, just had more difficulty sticking to my UD calories than my DD calories.

I think sometimes there will be no perfect maintenance plan but we may need to shift from plan to plan when one stops working for us. Or that might be my rather frantic enjoyment of trying new plans?

That sounds like a plan! I will most likely do something like that if I find that I can't eat like a normal person. I know I don't want to live on something like Atkins but it may come to that. But if we can change plans to suit the occasions in our lives, that would be spectacular!

Originally Posted by DebbyL

Were any of you able to get to your goal wt. on this? How about maintaining?

Also, why wouldn't you be able to exercise? Maybe if that's for the 500 cal. people... or is it something in the HCG?

What's up with no make-up??

Simeon said that all things with oils needed to be eliminated from a persons world during P2. So, all lotions and makeup had to go. But only the hardest of the hard-core go by that these days.

As far as exercising, if you are already an exerciser, he said you can continue to do what you've been doing. He was afraid it would muck things up to start a new exercise routine while in P2. I guess he thought it would be too hard on your body during the really restrictive weight-loss phase. I kind of agree with him!

I will have to let you know how it goes after reaching goal. I haven't gotten anywhere close to goal using hhcg because I got tired of the plan and it became so hard to stick to it. I'd always fail and then fade away. I really only did the one true rogue round. But I'm so tired of doing other plans and failing on them, too. At least this one is fast and easy. And I can save some money in the process.

As for me:

I am down a few lbs after my first VLCD! (See ticker.) I weighed and then drank some water, then Bernice showed up so I weighed again but the water already did its magic. So the weight was pre-everything.

I feel good so far. Got that empty, flat gut feeling and no problems with hunger. I am putting off eating until the evening, which is my favorite time to eat. That way I can just fast during the daylight hours and drink water and iced tea, then eat a satisfying meal when I need it the most.

Last night I ate a sandwich. I took a Kaiser roll and sprinkled it with lots of balsalmic vinegar (to cause my mouth to salivate so I could swallow it!) Then I added two slices of deli turkey breast, one slice of deli provalone and ate it. After that I ate a banana which was too ripe. Lastly, I ate a GY around 0200 cause I was still awake. Holy Moly! Now I see what all the fuss has been about! Before last night, I'd never had a full-fat GY before. I finally found some and they were on sale so I bought 10 of them. It was a Key Lime yogurt and it was delish!

I logged everything into ****** so I can be sure I'm not eating too much. It all came in under 600 which is very cool but the pie chart was a little too high in carbs. I won't eat that everyday.

I hope everyone has a great on-plan day, no matter what plan we're on!

[RileyWorm]

Debby - the origianl protocol done by Dr. S found that some people cannot even use topical products with oils in them. Some people have no problems so it might be something you have to try to see if you're sensitive. Even with eating rogue style and upping fats I still found it difficult to do more than walking and callanetics. I just didn't have the energy, so that is why many people don't work out. I hit goal eating rogue (I should say my FIRST goal - I have since dropped my ultimate goal) and am maintaining very well - I'm up slightly but it is my own darn fault (tooooo much booze and junk this weekend). I lost about 20 pounds eating rogue style but it took me a long time because I cycled for 4 months. I am one who JUDDD does NOT work for because I am a serious binge eater and I was triggered by the littlest things (plus the mentality that up days were free for alls...)

Deb OMG that protein pancake recipe sounds awesome!! Forgive me but I do not know for sure what vanilla egg white protein is? Does it come powdered? Any subs for it?

ETA: YAY CHERYL! WTG!

[Star73]

[QUOTE=CherylB;15754697]:, Star! Another newbie! Lookie here, ladies and gents! Anything that is different from the original Simeons' protocol is considered "rogue." So if you familiarize yourself by reading Pounds and Inches (free download on the web), you can see what doesn't sit well with you and then decide what you can and can't live with and just go from there. I really did like the OWL (Omaha Weight Loss) plan in round 1. I just had trouble ever getting back into the zone in further rounds. Round 1 was my only true round.




Thanks SO much!!! I started back today and I'm loading right now. I've had two doses of HCG (10 drops each) and so far so good. I sure do love the energy I get from this and also I absolutely LOVE how my appetite is suppressed! I'm going to stay within the 500 calories and just go rogue a little

Thanks for your help!

.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

Debby - the origianl protocol done by Dr. S found that some people cannot even use topical products with oils in them. Some people have no problems so it might be something you have to try to see if you're sensitive. Even with eating rogue style and upping fats I still found it difficult to do more than walking and callanetics. I just didn't have the energy, so that is why many people don't work out. I hit goal eating rogue (I should say my FIRST goal - I have since dropped my ultimate goal) and am maintaining very well - I'm up slightly but it is my own darn fault (tooooo much booze and junk this weekend). I lost about 20 pounds eating rogue style but it took me a long time because I cycled for 4 months. I am one who JUDDD does NOT work for because I am a serious binge eater and I was triggered by the littlest things (plus the mentality that up days were free for alls...)

Deb OMG that protein pancake recipe sounds awesome!! Forgive me but I do not know for sure what vanilla egg white protein is? Does it come powdered? Any subs for it?

ETA: YAY CHERYL! WTG!

Oops! Cross posts! That's the risk we take in making a mega multi-quote post. Thanks, Erin!! And I totally agree with you on Juddd. I'm a binger too and that was all the license I needed to go completely overboard.

Originally Posted by Star73

Thanks SO much!!! I started back today and I'm loading right now. I've had two doses of HCG (10 drops each) and so far so good. I sure do love the energy I get from this and also I absolutely LOVE how my appetite is suppressed! I'm going to stay within the 500 calories and just go rogue a little

Thanks for your help!

No sweat! That's great that your load is under way! So exciting to have company this round. I really hadn't planned on doing one until Dazy said she was going to dive back in. I think that's when I said, "What the heck!" So, thanks Carrie!!!

[DebbyL]

Thanks all of you for the warm welcome!
And all the good information too.
I received my HCG today, along with some sheets outlining the directions, etc. I haven't read it yet, but am looking forward to it.
I can't wait to start, but have to. I think it would be better to get my blood-tests etc. done before putting this in my blood-stream. Maybe Friday.

[minimonkey]

Debby -- thanks for the compliment! My arms have a bit more muscle mass on them now than they did when the avatar was taken -- I think my bodyfat percentage is roughly the same now, but I have gained muscle -- and I am working on gaining more of it

Some of us tank, horribly, if we try to exercise on P2. I did! I tried over and over again to make it work, and it just didn't. I finally gave up on even trying

[minimonkey]

I'm about to throw in the towel on JUDDD for the moment -- I am not enjoying it at all. I dread my down days, and I struggle with my up days too.

I think I am going to go to p3 for a while -- just keep it clean and enjoy the heck out of it, and work out as much as I can manage. I will probably try JUDDD again after I've had a break from caloric restriction for a while. I just hope I don't start gaining much fat -- I will try to make sure I eat to hunger, but not beyond -- and make sure the carbs stay low. (I've been LCing on JUDDD anyhow.)

Paula, like you, I think I am still having the starvation response -- I wonder if it is because I am starting it too soon on the heels of a p2? That makes a certain amount of sense -- coming out of a starvation-level diet, and still only eating a 1200 calorie average daily, while working out ... something about it just seems wrong.

I am going to go pump some iron, Ladies, and see how I feel after. If I am ravenous after(I might be -- it is legs day! Squats and deadlifts, baby!) I will eat. I will ditch JUDDD, embrace p3, and just darn eat.

I won't take JUDDD off the table for later, but I will stop fighting and just embrace p3.

[privatediva]

Originally Posted by DebbyL

Were any of you able to get to your goal wt. on this? How about maintaining?

Also, why wouldn't you be able to exercise? Maybe if that's for the 500 cal. people... or is it something in the HCG?

What's up with no make-up??

Hi Debby, I wrote you a note in the other thread a few days ago, but yeah...I've been at goal (5'7"-128) for months. Maintaining great, no problems, no "correction days" necessary. My husband also lost 50 lbs and is maintaining easily.

[privatediva]

Deb OMG that protein pancake recipe sounds awesome!! Forgive me but I do not know for sure what vanilla egg white protein is? Does it come powdered? Any subs for it?

Yes ma'am. I use Jay Robb powdered vanilla egg white protein powder. You could just use all whey if you want. The original recipe I was working from was all whey, I just think the egg white protein tastes better.

[DebbyL]

Originally Posted by privatediva

Hi Debby, I wrote you a note in the other thread a few days ago, but yeah...I've been at goal (5'7"-128) for months. Maintaining great, no problems, no "correction days" necessary. My husband also lost 50 lbs and is maintaining easily.

Hey Diva!
Congrats!! That's great news! Did you follow the HCG in the original diet?
I have so many questions... started to think today about how I felt when I had pregnacy hormones (naturally)... not a pretty sight emotionally!
Did you get mood swings? Any of you?
LOL... I'm probably driving you all nuts.

[privatediva]

No mood swings, nothing at all like being pregnant (I have three kids, all grown).

I followed my doctor's plan. It is 500 calories, low fat, low carb, but more veg/fruit choices, a few more protein choices, fine to mix veggies, and no prohibition on cosmetics. I could also have 2 diet sodas and the little individual premade servings of sugar free jello. My HCG was RX. I loaded all high fat and low-no carb (as per my dr's directive). I lost big even during my load which was extremely helpful in the psychology of the thing.

[DebbyL]

That's very encouraging Diva!
I just finished reading the instructions that came with it... don't think I can give up my sweetener or non-fat-non-dairy creamer... tried stevia & it made me bloat!
I'm thinking I will just revise my diet to lower calories & alter it up & down (like I do now) to keep from losing ground on my metabolism... will just have to try it & see. I already watch my weight too close.
Exercise:
My elliptical can be done slowly, so I'll just do that, less umph... hope I can keep up with my push-ups, but expect they may get too hard.
The seller said it kept her from getting flabby... strange, because it works so fast. Did you find that?
Also... (sorry) I have issues with thyroid. Do you know anyone who has hypothyroid that has done HCG?

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by DebbyL

Thanks all of you for the warm welcome!
And all the good information too.
I received my HCG today, along with some sheets outlining the directions, etc. I haven't read it yet, but am looking forward to it.
I can't wait to start, but have to. I think it would be better to get my blood-tests etc. done before putting this in my blood-stream. Maybe Friday.

Probably a good idea (labs pre-load and P2.) You could end up with an abnormally high Cholesterol level but it's the light, fluffy, "good" cholesterol that results from burning lots of your body fat while doing hhcg. Still, better to avoid all the nonsense with Dr's that would ensue after a high reading.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I'm about to throw in the towel on JUDDD for the moment -- I am not enjoying it at all. I dread my down days, and I struggle with my up days too.

I think I am going to go to p3 for a while -- just keep it clean and enjoy the heck out of it, and work out as much as I can manage. I will probably try JUDDD again after I've had a break from caloric restriction for a while. I just hope I don't start gaining much fat -- I will try to make sure I eat to hunger, but not beyond -- and make sure the carbs stay low. (I've been LCing on JUDDD anyhow.)

Paula, like you, I think I am still having the starvation response -- I wonder if it is because I am starting it too soon on the heels of a p2? That makes a certain amount of sense -- coming out of a starvation-level diet, and still only eating a 1200 calorie average daily, while working out ... something about it just seems wrong.

I am going to go pump some iron, Ladies, and see how I feel after. If I am ravenous after(I might be -- it is legs day! Squats and deadlifts, baby!) I will eat. I will ditch JUDDD, embrace p3, and just darn eat.

I won't take JUDDD off the table for later, but I will stop fighting and just embrace p3.

Sounds good, Mini. Ditch Juddd for now. P3 it (or just call it Atkins?) for a while and see how you feel. Enjoy that workout!

Originally Posted by DebbyL

Hey Diva!
Congrats!! That's great news! Did you follow the HCG in the original diet?
I have so many questions... started to think today about how I felt when I had pregnacy hormones (naturally)... not a pretty sight emotionally!
Did you get mood swings? Any of you?
LOL... I'm probably driving you all nuts.

No and NO! We've all been where you are at. I asked a ton of questions and people were kind enough and patient enough to calm me down. But no amount of reading about it and asking questions ever did the trick for me. When you start doing P2, it will all fall into place.

I'm pooped! Back from barn duty. It didn't rain, for once! It was a very screwed up day, though. All the routines and schedules were all out of whack and there were way too many cooks in the kitchen. I didn't know which end was up. Glad to get the heck out of dodge.

So far my calories have been under 500 but I still plan to eat some fruit or maybe another yogurt. Probably some fruit.

Have a good night, all. Tonight is my favorite program: Deadliest Catch, and I won't be doing much online stuff. Sleep tight! Tomorrow I face the stores and try to find something nice to wear to the wedding (that is in three days.) Procrastinate much?

[CherylB]

Debbie, I think most of us here have hypothyroidism! I have the auto immune kind (Hashimoto's.) I don't find it hinders me at all.

Something Diva forgot to mention in her Dr's plan is that he had her eating organic meat. I think that made a big difference for her stability.

[privatediva]

thanks for the reminder Cheryl, I'll never go back to non-organic meats. The organic stuff is amazing....just lots better tasting, easier to cook without drying it out, etc. And it makes no sense at all for those of us trying to get smaller to ingest the meat of animals that have been dosed with steroids to make them bigger.

[DebbyL]

Originally Posted by CherylB

Debbie, I think most of us here have hypothyroidism! I have the auto immune kind (Hashimoto's.) I don't find it hinders me at all.

Something Diva forgot to mention in her Dr's plan is that he had her eating organic meat. I think that made a big difference for her stability.

Ah! that's reassuring! Thanks for all you share!

I guess my moose meat will do just fine too