~~ Rogue HCG/hHCG plans for week of June 25, 2012 ~~

[dazygyrl]

that's awesome, embee! way to 'rogue it up'!!

[suzi7]

ok.... tomorrow is "the day". hHcg day that is. lol.

so far so good. I hit day 21 today of R1P3 at the same weight as my LOW weight of 150 from the VLCD P2 days. (I have a habit of hitting a low weight, like I did the 149.6 a couple days ago and then bouncing back for a while, then dropping again (usually passing my previous low) then repeat..), with only one cd needed, so I guess that's a successful P3?? I even ventured into Carb Land a couple days this past week (still low carb but not the "no-carb" called for by Dr S) to no detrimental effects. (whew! )

so doing a three day load starting tomorrow, although I think it will be a mini-load (lol) mostly because I am just not CRAVING a lot of things right now. Sugars? def not. Potatoes. nah. Pasta. nah. (and I always classified myself as a Pasta/Potato Pudgie. know those were my downfall all those "fat" years) I do crave a REAL pizza (w a thin crust tho which I thought was abhorrent a few months ago) and a big fat veggie burger on flatbread with all the fixings (my go-to is Amy's California burger which is made with veggies and Bulgar wheat :yum: (no soy for this chick, sorry)) and oh yeah BEANS. come on, it is a major sacrifice for a vegetarian to give up beans for this long. lol. so for three days I can eat BEANS. (might want to avoid my close perimeter for a while. LMBO!) Basically, tho I am gonna go with the flow for three days. Friends have been given the go-ahead to wine and dine me for three days (birthday celebrations here!) and (outside of meat) I will be quiet and eat what is put in front of me. (ugh. sorry. I just had a flash nightmare of sugar *&$% piled sky high) ok, so I will probably just take a wee piece of most of it. (except the pizza and quesadillas and red beans and rice (etc)... o and TABOULI. I just had a sudden craving for it. :yum I'm sorry but my "appetite" just isn't what it used to be. I could barely eat all my BMR + activity calories for P3. Some days THAT was a force-feeding.

well, I guess that's my "loading menu" (kinda). o and I will imbibe. a little. lol. its been a long dry spell....

then on to a (fairly) clean P2, veggie style. pretty much same as before. Except I am gonna avoid the few things that seemed to cause an UP day. Def tho gonna mix my veggies and prob eat more like "OWL" in the veggie department (what can I say? love my veggies too much!) My best friends for the next 40 days will be Protein Shake and Eggies (hold the yolks!), just like before. O and Greek Yogurt! I have turned my whole family on to this stuff. just plain ole Greek Yogurt (the perfect accompaniment to my daily apple or orange or strawberries or, sometime, with some dill, etc, cukes. lol)

O and one thing I am absolutely NOT doing is take a week trip anywhere, even trying to stick to the P2. I am staying home (not literally, just mean not traveling anywhere I can't pack lunch and be home for supper. lol) Like I said, a "clean" veggie-style P2.

I really want to lose as much as possible and get as close as I can to my goal weight (and back into my skinny clothes) this round. (fingers crossed here.....)

o and I want to say thank you very much to all of you for helping me and giving me the courage to dive into hHcg (even as a veggie) and stick with it!

[EmBee]

YAY Suzy! Excited to see your results I know how tricky doing this as a "meatetarian " is I cannot even imagine trying it as a vegetarian. I did just get a whole Mexican craving after reading your post....hahahaha. Thank goodness I am not hungry. . Enjoy the load days, I've always heard the better the loading the better the losing. I was always told eat the equivalent of 3 thanksgiving meals AND 2 high fat snacks, which should include milkshakes. (I ate everything I knew I wouldn't get to eat..include Pizza Hut pan pizza with Green peppers, yummy). I found a hormone free whey protein shake, made with STEVIA through Swansons that I love, Do you do whey??

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by EmBee

found a hormone free whey protein shake, made with STEVIA through Swansons that I love, Do you do whey??

I use a non-sweeten version of this from same place. I just add my own sweetner and flavorings. costs less. when you use as much as I do, you have to economize. lol

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by suzi7

I use a non-sweeten version of this from same place. I just add my own sweetner and flavorings. costs less. when you use as much as I do, you have to economize. lol

OH DUH I never thought about that...hahahahaha I could add my own sweeteners and flavor. I understand economize...I have 4 kids and my parents and Brothers (mild disability) live with us

[dazygyrl]

here is my cocoa crack.

1/2 cup coconut oil
1/4 cup cocoa powder
1/4 cup almond flour
1/4 cup protein powder
1/3-1/2 cup sweetener blend of choice. i use xylitol and ezsweets. grind xylitol in a coffee grinder to powder.
2-3 tsp vanilla extract

melt oil. whisk in rest of ingredients. pour into saran wrap lined container. chill till set up. cut up into desired pieces.

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

here is my cocoa crack.

1/2 cup coconut oil
1/4 cup cocoa powder
1/4 cup almond flour
1/4 cup protein powder
1/3-1/2 cup sweetener blend of choice. i use xylitol and ezsweets. grind xylitol in a coffee grinder to powder.
2-3 tsp vanilla extract

melt oil. whisk in rest of ingredients. pour into saran wrap lined container. chill till set up. cut up into desired pieces.

Okay trying this this afternoon!

[tay65]

Did loading day yesterday and since I'm still full, no more loading. I ate enough for 10 people! I felt so sick last night.
So post-load wt is 202.8 lbs! I gained 4 lbs!!!!
Going to look at new cars today! I hope to get one.
BBL!

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

all is well...god is so good scans were great...dr very happy. monthly checkups...scans every 3 mos for a year...2nd year, checkups every 2 mos scans every 4mos...3rd year checkups every 3 mos scans every 6 mos....then not sure after that. gets his port out before school starts.

hi, nicole!

OMG! How thrilling, Dazy! God definitely IS GOOD! Bye-bye, you nasty old port!! We ain't gunna need ya no mo!!!

Originally Posted by minimonkey

EXCELLENT, Dazy! I am so glad your son is doing so well!!!!!!!!!!!!

I posted doc updates in the other thread (the Atkins after HCG one) -- don't care to repeat all that here... but the doctor thinks my fluid retention is probably because I am "drinking too much water." I'm serious. They did run some tests, though. I am not a happy girl right now.

Will be going over there to read the new posts on that thread when I'm done over here. I can NOT believe that Dr said that about drinking too much fluid. Did he get one of those mail-order degrees? What a total moron.

Originally Posted by tay65

Did loading day yesterday and since I'm still full, no more loading. I ate enough for 10 people! I felt so sick last night.
So post-load wt is 202.8 lbs! I gained 4 lbs!!!!
Going to look at new cars today! I hope to get one.
BBL!

Must have been a mighty powerful load, my dear. It will be gone post haste! Best of luck to you this round. I hope it is STELLAR.

[CherylB]

(Oh wow! I didn't do a "preview post" before I clicked the button to reply and that image just leapt off the screen at me!)

[dazygyrl]

Originally Posted by CherylB

(Oh wow! I didn't do a "preview post" before I clicked the button to reply and that image just leapt off the screen at me!)

that's ok...it's a great woohoo pic!!

got confirmation on his port removal.. aug 10 at 10 AM!

[minimonkey]

I think that WHOOHOOO image is perfect --- THANK YOU G-D for answering all our prayers for Noah!

[minimonkey]

Suzi -- I'm impressed at your great stabilization in p3!!! May it so continue!

I'm hanging tough with the Atkins p3, though I am still pretty miserably bloated. I don't think there is much to do but to keep eating well, and weather it through. I am trying to have faith that this is temporary, and that after my body undoes the damage from long-term restriction and overwork, things will normalize. My hunger has normalized now, and a little of the water retention is starting to go, I think ... so I will keep eating well, working out, and attempting not to resume a vicious cycle of diet/rebound/diet/repeat....

[minimonkey]

Seriously, Cheryl, about the doctor's comment -- I said that I had heard it was good to drink more water if retaining water... and he said "well, I don't know where you heard that, but it's ridiculous."

Needless to say, I wasn't a big fan of this guy!

[minimonkey]

Good luck finding a car, Tay! And good luck with your round, too -- sounds like you loaded with the best of them!

[EmBee]

OHHHHHH OHHHHH I am going to make it and not cheat with popcorn, I am not going to cheat with popcorn, I reallly really want some. Shouldn't this count as a veggie....hahaha

[RileyWorm]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Seriously, Cheryl, about the doctor's comment -- I said that I had heard it was good to drink more water if retaining water... and he said "well, I don't know where you heard that, but it's ridiculous."

Needless to say, I wasn't a big fan of this guy!

WHAT!!! I thought this was pretty well common knowledge. Sometimes I wonder...(mental head slap)

And I discovered the worst thing to eat when you are already bloated and retaining water - brussels sprouts. Which I think are part of this whole problem to begin with. But I couldn't let them go to waste! And to make matters worst I bought radishes today which always bloat me too. Grrr....plus the workout water gain....I estimate I am still up about 6-7 pounds. Staying off the scale.

Though I wasn't on low calorie as long as you Mini I did cycle P2 for about 4 months this year. And now with working out I'm upping my caloric intake a bit via protein. I betcha this is another part of my problem.

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Suzi -- I'm impressed at your great stabilization in p3!!! May it so continue!

I hope so... but I am NOT going to be doing more than one more round. I think it's because this was my first round. I am hoping to be at least equally successful on my 2nd... then we will see how I stabilize.

even if I don't hit my goal (which is a long shot, I know) I am done with hHcg. Gonna go back to the "old-fashioned" way of losing the rest, slowly, prob some sort of rogue veggie-style Atkins-ish plan. lol

I have learned from all your examples. hHcg is a tool, for short term use only. then the battle (to maintain and not gain) will begin with a vengence! I just do not ever, ever, ever, ever want to regain again like I did.

continued prayers, mini, for you to find a solution.

[minimonkey]

Suzi -- glad to hear you are being so wise about this.

Riley -- I suspect that you and I are experiencing something fairly similar, though mine is more dramatic -- I restricted a lot longer, and was seriously depleted when I hit goal. Sorry to hear you are still feeling bloated -- it is miserable indeed!

I'm a couple pounds down today, and even that is making a difference -- I feel better physically. I'm peeing a lot more today, too, so I think that's hopeful.

Thanks so much to everyone for your thoughts and prayers.

I think I know the answer, deep inside myself -- I think the answer is to keep eating adequate food, keep working out, and to be patient while the bodily processes heal and regulate themselves.

I do think it will be okay to lean back out again, but I need to do it sanely -- no starvation, no quick fixes -- just old fashioned clean eating, muscle building, and patience.

I almost had it pegged last summer -- I stabilized at about 122 while eating a ton of food (even a few carbs!), and then slowly started losing the extra weight. I was back down to 118 doing this approach -- and then I got impatient, shot myself in the foot, and went back on p2. That got me to goal, but it also messed up my body pretty badly in the process.

I am not doing that again. As hard as it may be to be patient, this vicious cycle has to stop.

[minimonkey]

I'm going to stick it out with high fat, moderate protein, low carb (20 to 30 grams) -- and eat based on hunger. I may throw in some IFing too -- not overall calorie restriction, just longer periods of time without eating from time to time-- that seems to work really well for a bunch of rogue bodybuilders (Martin Berkham in particular).

[EmBee]

So reading a bit today has made me slightly frustrated....has ANYONE been able to get to goal and stabilize with HCG????

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by suzi7

I hope so... but I am NOT going to be doing more than one more round. I think it's because this was my first round. I am hoping to be at least equally successful on my 2nd... then we will see how I stabilize.

even if I don't hit my goal (which is a long shot, I know) I am done with hHcg. Gonna go back to the "old-fashioned" way of losing the rest, slowly, prob some sort of rogue veggie-style Atkins-ish plan. lol

I have learned from all your examples. hHcg is a tool, for short term use only. then the battle (to maintain and not gain) will begin with a vengence! I just do not ever, ever, ever, ever want to regain again like I did.

continued prayers, mini, for you to find a solution.

AMEN, Sister!

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Suzi -- glad to hear you are being so wise about this.

Thanks so much to everyone for your thoughts and prayers.

I think I know the answer, deep inside myself -- I think the answer is to keep eating adequate food, keep working out, and to be patient while the bodily processes heal and regulate themselves.

I do think it will be okay to lean back out again, but I need to do it sanely -- no starvation, no quick fixes -- just old fashioned clean eating, muscle building, and patience.

I almost had it pegged last summer -- I stabilized at about 122 while eating a ton of food (even a few carbs!), and then slowly started losing the extra weight. I was back down to 118 doing this approach -- and then I got impatient, shot myself in the foot, and went back on p2. That got me to goal, but it also messed up my body pretty badly in the process.

I am not doing that again. As hard as it may be to be patient, this vicious cycle has to stop.

Amen to you too, Sister! Lots of good common, rational sense happening here tonight. It's kind of scarey. But I'm in total agreement with y'all and I know the answers lie in what works best for our own bodies, what we are willing to truly live with and in having the patience and faith to know that what we are doing is going to get us to our destination.

Let's not forget that the journey is as important as the destination. I heard that Miley Cyrus song on the radio when I was in the shower this morning and it fit perfectly. "It's the Climb."

Miley Cyrus - The Climb - Official Music Video (HQ) -...

Sweet dreams tonight, ladies. Love you all.

[RileyWorm]

Embee, I stabilized last year for about 10 months until the holidays, which was my own fault - these past few rounds have been losing the 15-20ish pounds I gained over the holidays. I've stabilized fairly well until recently. Between exercise, eating bloaty foods, and indulging in alcohol on weekends, I'm up about 6 pounds from my lowest. Still, not too bad. These past few months I stabilized pretty well, actually - I would sometimes have pizza, ice cream etc...did correction days as needed.

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by RileyWorm

Embee, I stabilized last year for about 10 months until the holidays, which was my own fault - these past few rounds have been losing the 15-20ish pounds I gained over the holidays. I've stabilized fairly well until recently. Between exercise, eating bloaty foods, and indulging in alcohol on weekends, I'm up about 6 pounds from my lowest. Still, not too bad. These past few months I stabilized pretty well, actually - I would sometimes have pizza, ice cream etc...did correction days as needed.

Good to know thank you!!! I was getting worried, I have come so far and gave all the old clothes away

[paulabob]

Originally Posted by EmBee

Good to know thank you!!! I was getting worried, I have come so far and gave all the old clothes away

I lost almost 70 pounds with hcg...it just didn't take me the final 13 pounds to goal. And the most I regained was 9 pounds. So I would never dissuade anyone! It just wouldn't be my first choice to recommend to a friend if they hadn't tried something a bit easier first. 500 calories a day isn't for the weak of will!

[tay65]

Well, this was one loooong day! We were at the car dealership 5 HOURS!!!! Why on earth is buying a friggin' car an all day event!? BUT we finally finished up at 10 pm. Yeah, 10! They closed at 9! LOL I bought a new pretty green Malibu. Not a grass green, but its a unique color. I love love love it! I kept the same payments too. I'm a satisfied customer. I almost went and bought a PT Cruiser. But decided against it.
And since I was there forever, today wound up as my 2nd load day. Not an extreme load like yesterday though.
Looking forward to tomorrow.

[CherylB]

[minimonkey]

Embee -- a lot of people have done well with hcg -- and some haven't, too.

I wouldn't give up on it if it is working for you.

[minimonkey]

Whooohoooo on the car, TAY!

[keepingcupsfull]

Wow you ladies sure have been chatty while I was away. Mom's second round of chemo is now done.... I am in a serious stall. I have been 173.3 for 6 days now.... I have eaten more on some days less on others. I have chugged water for days. I even tried a large meal before bed. A Fage day with 0 fat 24oz. Nothing no losses at ALL. My body does feel smaller and my clothes are loose.

I feel like I'm retaining water, but dont look like i am. I have not exercised at all. I started natural calm again last night as I was feeling leg cramps.

I have never had a stall this long before. If I was in p3. I would be very happy to still be the same every day.

Any ideas?
Bee