~~ Rogue HCG/hHCG plans for week of June 25, 2012 ~~

[EmBee]

Okay Goodnight everyone!! I will come back to everyone chattering all night and I shall have to catch up ..lol (unless the thread moved and I missed it)

[DebbyL]

Originally Posted by EmBee

Okay Goodnight everyone!! I will come back to everyone chattering all night and I shall have to catch up ..lol (unless the thread moved and I missed it)

Goodnight! Ya, the time-zones makes for interesting gaps in conversation, hey?

[CherylB]

Goodnight, John Boy. Goodnight, Mary Ellen. LOL! Sorry; couldn't help myself.

Goodnight!!!

[Summerbreeze]

Originally Posted by EmBee

Hey SummerBreeze I use Intermountain drops and pellets. You probably would only need one round of HCG (23 to 40 days) ... Rogue means a plan that is not exactly as following the Simeons protocal . We all have found things that do (OR DONT hahaha) work for us . That are not on protocal plan. I think you will be happy with the results . This is amazing group of ladies here. I would recommend you read the "Pounds and Inches" book to get an idea of the plan. It has been very successful for me !

Thank you so much for responding, I will continue to read the forum and learn as much as I can

[minimonkey]

Cheryl -- I really just got stuck on p2 -- I couldn't get off it without gaining, and I didn't much know what else to do except to go back on it. It's a vicious cycle.

I'm up a ton with crazy bad water retention at the moment (I'm sure some of it is fat gain, too, but I think the majority is water) -- seriously, probably up 20 lbs from goal, or more -- and I am miserable, physically and emotionally. I'm trying to ride it out, and assuming that with the lower carbs things will eventually even out.

I've also been having terrible PMS-ish-stuff for over a week -- lower back pain, etc. Some of this is probably hormonal. At least the crazy hunger has calmed way down.

I think I may try a fat fast for a couple of days, if this doesn't get better on its own -- or try fasting on lemon and lots of water for a day or two -- I don't plan to do that for any length of time, but I do need to get the water retention under control -- this is awful.

I have to move heavy furniture tomorrow, in fairly warm weather -- I hope my body can handle that. I had a terribly mediocre workout today -- I was weak and just really not up to par.

[EmBee]

You can do it Mini!!! Thinking of you . You are able to overcome this hurdle... yep I am kinda peppy this morning. It must be the combination of essential oils I have on . Back to protocol today, both excess pounds are gone...wooot woot

[goddesslynne]

Mini, a quick google of water retention brought up an interesting site called healing naturally by bee. Take a look at her article about water retention! I'm still reading it, and it leads to some other articles about adrenals and kidneys and other stuff, but maybe there's something else you can do.

Believe me, every morning I look longingly at my pellets. When I think back, I had more good days than bad on P2, but I have to be realistic, I'm no better than I was a year+ ago!! We are in a situation and I think we can figure it out!!

I don't have any good advice about the fasting. I have a bit of a concern, I'm afraid it will start you on a cycle of deprivation that might not lead you where you want to go...but you know your body so well, so you know I support you whatever you choose.

I have to dash off and get ready for an early client, but I'll do some more reading and be back tonight and tomorrow.

xo

[mermaid]

Hi again everybody! Nice to see some familliar faces, and some new ones too. More or less on a whim I decided to go on HCG and try to lose some weight. I think it has been over a year since I last did it, due to hormone wackiness (I'm age 48--'nuf said) and general life wackiness all at the same time.

I thought I was maintaining okay, a little bit of a gain made the clothes tight. Boy was I shocked to weigh in at 244 this morning! How on earth did I gain 24 pounds and all that happened was my clothes got tighter? Crazy. I haven't bothered with the scale, just trying to survive and not gain too much.

I guess I gained more lean mass, and I think it had to do with homeopathic HGH. I rotate different brands since they all have slightly different formulas. It helps reduce hunger, maintain energy, and build lean mass. I highly recommend it for anyone on maintenance. By the way, I was eating A LOT, like over 2,000 calories a day easily, in order to not have crashes where I couldn't function, which tends to happen when I starve.

My plan is to stay under 1,500 calories, high fat. Menu today:
coffee/cream/coconut oil
2 deviled eggs
chili
fresh limeade with green tea
turkey thigh, small salad

Mini, I am sorry to see your struggles. That sounds pretty rough. Just hang on Atkins until you figure it out. I haven't read far enough back to see what all you've tried, but I'm sure it's a lot. One thing off the top of my head is to be sure and work in some superfoods like chia, goji berries, and chlorella. They are low carb/low cal but might help you turn things around.

I just wanted to jump in and say hi, now going to read back a little and see what's shakin' for everybody.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Cheryl -- I really just got stuck on p2 -- I couldn't get off it without gaining, and I didn't much know what else to do except to go back on it. It's a vicious cycle.

I'm up a ton with crazy bad water retention at the moment (I'm sure some of it is fat gain, too, but I think the majority is water) -- seriously, probably up 20 lbs from goal, or more -- and I am miserable, physically and emotionally. I'm trying to ride it out, and assuming that with the lower carbs things will eventually even out.

I've also been having terrible PMS-ish-stuff for over a week -- lower back pain, etc. Some of this is probably hormonal. At least the crazy hunger has calmed way down.

I think I may try a fat fast for a couple of days, if this doesn't get better on its own -- or try fasting on lemon and lots of water for a day or two -- I don't plan to do that for any length of time, but I do need to get the water retention under control -- this is awful.

I have to move heavy furniture tomorrow, in fairly warm weather -- I hope my body can handle that. I had a terribly mediocre workout today -- I was weak and just really not up to par.

I'm sorry you aren't feeling well, Mini. This too shall pass. But thankful that the hungries are gone! Best of luck with your fat fast. I know you can knock those out of the park! Coconut Milk, here she comes. More heavy furniture to move? I'll be doing stuff like that this coming week, too. I'm going to finally tackle the last that is to be done at the other house so I can have the moving sale and get myself out of there, once and for all. Liquidate as many of my assets as I can and give the rest away.

Originally Posted by goddesslynne

Mini, a quick google of water retention brought up an interesting site called healing naturally by bee. Take a look at her article about water retention! I'm still reading it, and it leads to some other articles about adrenals and kidneys and other stuff, but maybe there's something else you can do.

Believe me, every morning I look longingly at my pellets. When I think back, I had more good days than bad on P2, but I have to be realistic, I'm no better than I was a year+ ago!! We are in a situation and I think we can figure it out!!

I don't have any good advice about the fasting. I have a bit of a concern, I'm afraid it will start you on a cycle of deprivation that might not lead you where you want to go...but you know your body so well, so you know I support you whatever you choose.

I have to dash off and get ready for an early client, but I'll do some more reading and be back tonight and tomorrow.

xo

I'm in the same boat, Lynne. I have virtually lost a year but I can't dwell on that too long or it makes me depressed and derails me yet again. I got here by behaving badly, I'll get to where I want to go by behaving well.

Mini was talking about fat fasting, not fasting fasting. She knows better than to just go without eating, although a total fast every now and then does a body good.

I am up a bit today but had two visits from bernice. I'll thinking I'll be back down and even lose a little more tomorrow. Have a belated 4th of July Block Party to crash today. It starts at 3 pm but I'll probably wait until around 6 to go. It's the people who bought my Hot Tub! I've never really gone to their annual party and this year I wanted to attend. Last chance for that, since I won't really be their neighbor after this year. I'm sure I'll still be welcome, though.

My house is squeeky clean again and I'm going to do my best to keep it that way. I designate Fridays as my weekly cleaning day so I can really enjoy it each weekend. And if I invite family and friends over on the weekends, it will be showcase-ready. The lawn was mowed yesterday so I'm going to set three or four chairs around the fire pit so we can just plunk ourselves down and have a fire this week sometime. Maybe even tonight!

Have a wonderful weekend, ladies! Hugs to all.

[CherylB]

back, Mermaid! It's been ages since we've had the pleasure of your company. Sorry you had that nasty surprise when you got back on the scale. Why do you take human growth hormone? Just to build lean body mass? I've never taken it so I'm not sure of its uses and benefits. I hope your round goes "swimmingly." Hehehe.

[mermaid]

Originally Posted by CherylB

back, Mermaid! It's been ages since we've had the pleasure of your company. Sorry you had that nasty surprise when you got back on the scale. Why do you take human growth hormone? Just to build lean body mass? I've never taken it so I'm not sure of its uses and benefits. I hope your round goes "swimmingly." Hehehe.

Hey Cheryl! Looks like you slimmed down a lot since I was on last. Yay for you!

I'm taking homeopathic HGH, not the full hormone. I also forgot to mention that my hair is growing back that was falling out from low thyroid. Also seems to whammy candida pretty well. The two brands I mainly use are King Bio anti-aging plus HGH, and Live Young Oral HGH.

Proly should go and get stuff done now.

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by mermaid

Hi again everybody! Nice to see some familliar faces, and some new ones too. More or less on a whim I decided to go on HCG and try to lose some weight. I think it has been over a year since I last did it, due to hormone wackiness (I'm age 48--'nuf said) and general life wackiness all at the same time.

I thought I was maintaining okay, a little bit of a gain made the clothes tight. Boy was I shocked to weigh in at 244 this morning! How on earth did I gain 24 pounds and all that happened was my clothes got tighter? Crazy. I haven't bothered with the scale, just trying to survive and not gain too much.

o don't I know this song!! I started losing weight 10 years ago this month (yeah me). successfully and slowly lost 135#. then *it* happened about 4 years ago. and gained back almost 40 doing nothing different (not dieting, but you know.... eating low carb careful.) Then I spent almost two years trying to lose it. Tried a lot of diets. Nothing worked... except that combining the strict (unsuccessful) dieting and massive cardio (I so wanted to get back into my too-tight clothes) and that *change*, I managed to mess up my adrenals and (maybe... doc was investing hishimoto (sp?). Found a really good doc who is working with me to correct the hormonal stuff. She uses hormones and natural/homeopathic, whatever works, before hitting the pharma. She recommended Hcg. I opted for the hHcg and lost 15 pounds first round. (in P3 now, doing a second round). but yeah it is funny how much changes with the "change"....grrrr. so happy I am not going to "do" that again....

One thing off the top of my head is to be sure and work in some superfoods like chia, goji berries, and chlorella. They are low carb/low cal but might help you turn things around.

what she said. chlorella is good stuff, and so is the other.... I am so into superfood!! (mini, you know the body-building stuff, but I have spent a lifetime studying NATURAL nutrition and diet. lol (one of the original "old hippies" here... lol I was organic/etc before it was cool.

[plarsen]

Hi all, I lost nearly 30lbs after not having luck with paleo, atkins, ww's----Doing very strict by the book protocol. My husband thought I looked too thin -I am not 137--5'5" I do think I lost too much muscle in P-3----working out, not eating or drinking protein afterwards and going to bed basically

I put back a few pounds which I could keep off just eating clean for a day after a little gain. BUT I still think I need to be 127-130 and fitter. I do not want to loose muscle like that again, so after 7 weeks off of HCG I am now back on after a modest load two days.

My rogue plan is 1200-1500 calories (I am extremely active and will continue to do Callanetics and Tae Bo and clean my barn and ride horses daily)

Pretty much protocol, just more protein, including whey powder and eggwhites.
And higher calories of good lower carb food, no refined sugars, no sugar at all really and little to no fat or starches.

I am hoping to continue to build muscle sculpt what I have and loose that fat around the middle thats hanging on. My measurements are 36--30 -34-(lower belly) 38. I really need a smaller waist I think. I am in a 6/8 now, which was just a dream before discovering hcg, but I would like to trim that middle down and tighten and tone.

Menue---brfst--egg whites, spinich, or whey powder green smoothie

lunch---salad with chick or shrimp
snack apple or strawberries, or grapefruit

Dinner- fish, vegs

whatcha all think?? I looked at my orginal hcg diet and it said if you HAVE to exercise push calories to 1000-1200

Pat

[mommy2boysaz]

Hello, all!

Originally Posted by CherylB

Thanks and (((HUGS))) for all the time and attention you put into your reply to the mom of 2 boys in az. (I'm guessing that's where she's from!) Nice job!! And I'd like to add that no one knows the answers as far as what you can and can't combine with hhcg/hcg. It's all a personal thing. If you do it and it works, then it works. If you do it and it doesn't, then share the info so others can benefit from your experiences. But there is no rule book.

~I'm actually from northern Ohio, although with heat in the triple digits for the past 4 days, I feel like I live in AZ!! (My username is actually for my 2 sons, who have names that start with A and Z... )
But, yes, thank you , thank you to Suzi for her wonderful, thoughtful replies! I truly appreciate the advice and wisdom!





Nutrasweet or "Equal" is very bad for you. Just wanted to bring that up. If you google it, you'll be shocked at what that stuff can do to a body. I switched from Equal over to powdered Splenda, then found liquid Ez Sweetz at Netrition and never looked back. Now if I have powdered Splenda in a large quantity (like in a recipe), I get headaches and nauseous.

If anything good comes from this experiment with the hHCG, it will be that my addiction to diet Pepsi appears to be fading! I've known for years that I need to get off it, I just haven't been able to until now. I have noticed over the years how many overweight people I see drinking diet sodas, while thinner people are chugging the real thing...

[tay65]

Hi all ! I've been gone a few months, but will be starting hHCG Pellets next week. I took a much needed break. I gained some weight from eating crap while on 2 vacations, but.....LOL I'm going to be just a smidge rogue & not overdo it. I think that was the reason for failing my last round. Just eating whatever to see if I still lost! Not a good plan.
Lots of new faces here now. Hi Mini! Hang in there!
I never took the pellets before, always the drops. So this should be interesting. New method, new start! LOL

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by mermaid

Hey Cheryl! Looks like you slimmed down a lot since I was on last. Yay for you!

I'm taking homeopathic HGH, not the full hormone. I also forgot to mention that my hair is growing back that was falling out from low thyroid. Also seems to whammy candida pretty well. The two brands I mainly use are King Bio anti-aging plus HGH, and Live Young Oral HGH.

Proly should go and get stuff done now.

How refreshing, to see me through your eyes! I like the way you see me. I lost all the way down to 159.4 but that was after finishing hhcg and doing my own summer plan. That was all of one day in the beginning of September. I only saw the 50's that day. Since then it's been up up and more up. Some down but mostly up. I'm tired of my own #%$!

Originally Posted by plarsen

Hi all, I lost nearly 30lbs after not having luck with paleo, atkins, ww's----Doing very strict by the book protocol. My husband thought I looked too thin -I am not 137--5'5" I do think I lost too much muscle in P-3----working out, not eating or drinking protein afterwards and going to bed basically

I put back a few pounds which I could keep off just eating clean for a day after a little gain. BUT I still think I need to be 127-130 and fitter. I do not want to loose muscle like that again, so after 7 weeks off of HCG I am now back on after a modest load two days.

My rogue plan is 1200-1500 calories (I am extremely active and will continue to do Callanetics and Tae Bo and clean my barn and ride horses daily)

Pretty much protocol, just more protein, including whey powder and eggwhites.
And higher calories of good lower carb food, no refined sugars, no sugar at all really and little to no fat or starches.

I am hoping to continue to build muscle sculpt what I have and loose that fat around the middle thats hanging on. My measurements are 36--30 -34-(lower belly) 38. I really need a smaller waist I think. I am in a 6/8 now, which was just a dream before discovering hcg, but I would like to trim that middle down and tighten and tone.

Menue---brfst--egg whites, spinich, or whey powder green smoothie

lunch---salad with chick or shrimp
snack apple or strawberries, or grapefruit

Dinner- fish, vegs

whatcha all think?? I looked at my orginal hcg diet and it said if you HAVE to exercise push calories to 1000-1200

Pat

Hi, Pat. I for one would like to see what you look like at your present weight. I know we are all built differently but I don't see how you have much to lose on a plan like hcg. It's a pretty radical plan and you really are so close to your ideal weight. How much do you hope to lose in this P2? If you can post pics, we can at least see where you're coming from.

Originally Posted by tay65

Hi all ! I've been gone a few months, but will be starting hHCG Pellets next week. I took a much needed break. I gained some weight from eating crap while on 2 vacations, but.....LOL I'm going to be just a smidge rogue & not overdo it. I think that was the reason for failing my last round. Just eating whatever to see if I still lost! Not a good plan.
Lots of new faces here now. Hi Mini! Hang in there!
I never took the pellets before, always the drops. So this should be interesting. New method, new start! LOL

You're coming back to hhcg? I thought JUDDD was working for you! I was jealous, girlfriend. Oh, well. I guess if the losses are slow we want to pump up the volume. Just surprised to see that you want to dive in again.

I have only done the pellets so I can't compare, but I love them. So convenient and easy. I would put them into a bottle for the morning dose and when the alarm went off to take them, I had no drops to count or anything. Just open the bottle and pop them under my tongue and go back to sleep.

I went to my belated 4th of July bash tonight. It was great! I took video and I hope it comes out good. Will wait until tomorrow to undertake uploading and possibly making DVD's to share. Much too late for that tonight.

Sleep tight, lovely ladies!!! God bless each of you.

[tay65]

Cheryl, Yep, going back to hhcg. doing pellets this time. something new to go with a new start. I did well the first week of JUDDD, then maintained. I read that happens alot. So after I lose what I need to, I'll do JUDDD to maintain. I have a plan!
I ordered my pellets tonight so I'll get them probably tuesday.
well, sleep over with chloe tonight so better get to sleep so I can get up in the morning with her.

[minimonkey]

Hi Tay~

We missed you!!!!

Just stopping in to say hi to all -- I'm still miserable with water retention.... I chugged water all day, and barely peed at all I may have to go to a doctor on this one.

Suzi-- I'm an old-ish hippie, too -- and have done tons of reading on natural healing. I tend to distrust doctors for the most part -- I've had a couple of good ones, but far more bad ones --'nuff said.

I don't know what to do. I actually may do a real fast for a couple of days -- eliminate everything except lemon and water, and enough coffee to function. That way, if a food intolerance is causing this bloating, it should help, I'd think. I'm doing a ton of reading about the various causes of water retention... not sure it is getting me anywhere.

Menopausal wackiness and general adrenal and other endocrine imbalances may be to blame here -- but I am starting to get a bit worried about more serious things, like kidney problems and such.

I'm hanging in there, but this does feel very, very wrong to me.

[pendragginp]

Oh mini I'm so sorry you're having this problem! I hope you do post here what you find out. It's odd that you would be eating clean Atkins and chugging water and yet be not peeing much. You are sleeping enough?

Maybe your little body is just cranky at having several different plans tried on it in a comparatively short time? Dunno!

Maybe the answer lies among body-building info, since you do such hard workouts?

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Hi Tay~

We missed you!!!!

Just stopping in to say hi to all -- I'm still miserable with water retention.... I chugged water all day, and barely peed at all I may have to go to a doctor on this one.

Suzi-- I'm an old-ish hippie, too -- and have done tons of reading on natural healing. I tend to distrust doctors for the most part -- I've had a couple of good ones, but far more bad ones --'nuff said.

I don't know what to do. I actually may do a real fast for a couple of days -- eliminate everything except lemon and water, and enough coffee to function. That way, if a food intolerance is causing this bloating, it should help, I'd think. I'm doing a ton of reading about the various causes of water retention... not sure it is getting me anywhere.

Menopausal wackiness and general adrenal and other endocrine imbalances may be to blame here -- but I am starting to get a bit worried about more serious things, like kidney problems and such.

I'm hanging in there, but this does feel very, very wrong to me.

(((HUGS))) Mini

[tay65]

sending cyber hugs to you Mini! I think you should def see a dr. If he/she can't give you answers, get a referral for a specialist. Don't give up til you are satisfied.
Yes, I'm back! I had a nice break from hHCG and really need to get back on the wagon and do it right.

[mermaid]

Good morning all! I'm through the first day, and it was pretty comfortable all in all. `It definitely helps that it's beautiful weather here-sunny and 70s. Spent half the day at the beach with DD.

Crazy PreK: Looks like you're rockin' it! Hope I do as well as you have! It's been 24 years since onederland. Would be nice to get there again. I can, can't I? Sometimes it seems impossible. Yet, I do get back on the horse time after time to see how far I can get.

Mini: I think a doc is wise at this point. Maybe a naturopath?

Have a great on-plan day everyone!

[pendragginp]

Well, I do seem to be solidly into my new decade. A little over twenty lbs to go - here's hoping I can get there on this round.

[minimonkey]

Whoohoo, Pendraggin!!!! YOU GO!

I'm holding off on the doc, for now -- I can literally barely manage rent this month, so I really don't have money for a doc (and I am uninsured for the summer -- didn't get a summer class.) If I absolutely have to do it, I'll borrow money from my mom, but don't relish the idea. My old doc would have been all over this ... but it would have involved hundreds of dollars worth of testing, and that just isn't possible right now.

I'll definitely let y'all know if I find the answer to the water problem....

I was having terrible insomnia for a while, but that is resolving on its own now, so that's good. I do suspect the workouts figure into the picture somewhere -- Rileyworm is having something similar, but not quite as severe -- and she lifts, too.

I'm sure the post-p2 diet change is part of the equation.

The rest might just be regular old perimenopause weirdness -- seems that nearly anything is possible in that realm!

I upped the potassium yesterday, and I think that may have helped a little bit, so I will keep up with that. I'm continuing with regular Atkins today, but if this keeps up, I'll try a fast for a day or two and see if that helps -- if it does, I'll see if I can figure out a food culprit/allergen/sensitivity... etc.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by tay65

Cheryl, Yep, going back to hhcg. doing pellets this time. something new to go with a new start. I did well the first week of JUDDD, then maintained. I read that happens alot. So after I lose what I need to, I'll do JUDDD to maintain. I have a plan!
I ordered my pellets tonight so I'll get them probably tuesday.
well, sleep over with chloe tonight so better get to sleep so I can get up in the morning with her.

Well, I hope it's a great round for you, sweetie. Much luck and strength to you.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Hi Tay~

We missed you!!!!

Just stopping in to say hi to all -- I'm still miserable with water retention.... I chugged water all day, and barely peed at all I may have to go to a doctor on this one.

Suzi-- I'm an old-ish hippie, too -- and have done tons of reading on natural healing. I tend to distrust doctors for the most part -- I've had a couple of good ones, but far more bad ones --'nuff said.

I don't know what to do. I actually may do a real fast for a couple of days -- eliminate everything except lemon and water, and enough coffee to function. That way, if a food intolerance is causing this bloating, it should help, I'd think. I'm doing a ton of reading about the various causes of water retention... not sure it is getting me anywhere.

Menopausal wackiness and general adrenal and other endocrine imbalances may be to blame here -- but I am starting to get a bit worried about more serious things, like kidney problems and such.

I'm hanging in there, but this does feel very, very wrong to me.

Mini, if you aren't voiding much and drinking a lot, tell me this. Is your urine concentrated and strong-smelling? Do you have any lower back pain? How's your breathing? Is there a way for you to check your heart rate and BP? All these things can help you to figure out where the problem lies. I hate to see you unhappy and worse yet, the thought that you could have something serious going on.

I understand about money problems and not having insurance so I feel your pain. Just make up your mind to go and seek an evaluation by a professional before too much time goes by. Don't put it up on a shelf, iykwim.

Originally Posted by mermaid

Good morning all! I'm through the first day, and it was pretty comfortable all in all. `It definitely helps that it's beautiful weather here-sunny and 70s. Spent half the day at the beach with DD.

Crazy PreK: Looks like you're rockin' it! Hope I do as well as you have! It's been 24 years since onederland. Would be nice to get there again. I can, can't I? Sometimes it seems impossible. Yet, I do get back on the horse time after time to see how far I can get.

Mini: I think a doc is wise at this point. Maybe a naturopath?

Have a great on-plan day everyone!

I love that kind of weather. Nice way to start off your round. Keep it up! I felt so sad when I read that it's been 24 years since you were under 200 lbs. It made me stop and think that if I don't get a handle on my weight NOW, it could be me saying those exact same words somewhere down the road. Very sobering thought.

Let's do our very best to break the old records and create new ones that are good for us.

Originally Posted by pendragginp

Well, I do seem to be solidly into my new decade. A little over twenty lbs to go - here's hoping I can get there on this round.

That's great, Plum. I'm hoping you can get to goal this round, too.

[RileyWorm]

Mini I hope that's all it is, for both of us! It is sooooo strange because though I can feel I'm bloated and feel absolutely miserable, my pants feel comfortably and my stomach is still (as) flat (as it can be, lol!) and my legs also seem huge... ... I know my cousin who bodybuilds gets water bloat alot too, even from the slightest deviation in her diet...who knows. I'm picking up OTC water pills tomorrow. I can't take baths because I will promptly get either BV or a yeast infection so the epsom bath salt thing is out...
I just went for a brisk walk this morning thinking it might help a bit, I feel so uncomfortable working out is the last thing I wanna do! Let's hope tomorrow is better!! Although Mini I am grateful I don't think I feel quite as badly as you - let's hope yours lets up soon and you start releasing some water quickly!!

[minimonkey]

Riley, this seems to be common with bodybuilders -- more so than with your average dieter, anyhow. Worked muscles become water sponges. BUMMER about the no baths! I can't take one either, but that is because we don't have a bathtub. I miss having one -- I love baths.

My legs ARE huge -- I am up several pants sizes from my lowest -- most of it is in the legs now -- the stomach has gone down a bit. Some of the water is in my muscles I think, but a lot of it is under the skin very clearly.

Cheryl -- heart rate is fine -- haven't checked bp. Breathing is fine -- I did a cardio workout a couple days ago with no issues. Yes to lower back pain, but it is a dull ache, very much like I get with PMS. It isn't severe, but it is constant, and has been going on for a few days now. Urine isn't dark or smelly (I've had a kidney infection before -- I know what that urine is like!) No UTI symptoms at all. Urine seems fine, what little there is of it -- there just isn't much urine being produced.

I did have one bout of weakness and fatigue (and the world's most sub-par workout!) but that could have been from trying to use worked muscles too soon and genuine tiredness from the insomnia-- I get that sometimes anyhow, which is one of the residual Lyme things that never fully went away. I am sleeping a lot better now, anyhow.

I'm still pushing the fluid (with lemon and acv added) -- upped my potassium dosage, and also temporarily upped the cal/mag/zinc supplement that I take. I also resorted to an OTC diuretic today-- we'll see if that helps at all.

TOM is still threatening to appear, but that is going nowhere fast.

Sorry to be so me-centric in these posts -- I'm not usually this self absorbed, at least I hope not!

[dazygyrl]

mini...i really think you should get this checked out soon. for some reason what you describe sounds like what i experienced when i had severe pre-eclampisa with my first baby. clearly that is not the case here, but with that the body loses it's ability to control fluid balances. protein plays a vital role in that. i was spilling massive amounts of protein in my urine. my body wasn't utilizing it properly and so all the my fluid was going into my tissue instead of being used in the cells...protein is a major player in this. is there any way you can check your urine for protein...you can buy sticks at the pharmacy much like keto-sticks but for checking for protein instead? or have just a blood test to check kidney function? if you're spilling protein, that could point to a kidney issue.

[pendragginp]

Well, I think that's a thought it would be good to check out.

[HappyChick]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Riley, this seems to be common with bodybuilders -- more so than with your average dieter, anyhow. Worked muscles become water sponges. BUMMER about the no baths! I can't take one either, but that is because we don't have a bathtub. I miss having one -- I love baths.

My legs ARE huge -- I am up several pants sizes from my lowest -- most of it is in the legs now -- the stomach has gone down a bit. Some of the water is in my muscles I think, but a lot of it is under the skin very clearly.

Cheryl -- heart rate is fine -- haven't checked bp. Breathing is fine -- I did a cardio workout a couple days ago with no issues. Yes to lower back pain, but it is a dull ache, very much like I get with PMS. It isn't severe, but it is constant, and has been going on for a few days now. Urine isn't dark or smelly (I've had a kidney infection before -- I know what that urine is like!) No UTI symptoms at all. Urine seems fine, what little there is of it -- there just isn't much urine being produced.

I did have one bout of weakness and fatigue (and the world's most sub-par workout!) but that could have been from trying to use worked muscles too soon and genuine tiredness from the insomnia-- I get that sometimes anyhow, which is one of the residual Lyme things that never fully went away. I am sleeping a lot better now, anyhow.

I'm still pushing the fluid (with lemon and acv added) -- upped my potassium dosage, and also temporarily upped the cal/mag/zinc supplement that I take. I also resorted to an OTC diuretic today-- we'll see if that helps at all.

TOM is still threatening to appear, but that is going nowhere fast.

Sorry to be so me-centric in these posts -- I'm not usually this self absorbed, at least I hope not!

Good Morning, Mini!!

I think I read earlier that you are also an experienced faster and IFer.. me too. I don't recall if you also have veggie juiced in the past??

I'm was having the same problem, especially today, with water retention. I had to take off all my jewelry and couldn't even think about putting a pair of shoes on!!

I juiced half an English cuke, a small head of organic celery, a small bunch of parsley, and 1/2 lemon. The water release was almost immediate. I can't say that I'm 100%- but, it was only 20 minutes ago.. so, hoping the process continues. Maybe give it a try??