~~ Rogue HCG/hHCG plans for week of June 25, 2012 ~~

[dazygyrl]

no, nothing to do with my license. i mean b/c i am an RN, i can be checked off for the volunteer fire department and do the skills of an EMT that are just below a paramedic. if i were to get ACLS certified, i could ride on the squad AS a paramedic. sorry to confuse.

[CherylB]

OH! Sorry to BE confused. Sounds intriguing, Carrie. I hope you go for it. You've got me thinking, too. I prefer the idea of equine related jobs but I need money and that is where nursing comes into the picture.

Don't get me wrong, please. I started out with the greatest and purest of intentions as a nurse. But as I told someone who asked me why I went into nursing and immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was the money, I said that I never experienced chaos until I got into the medical field as a nurse. And I never experienced a measure of peace until I got out. Funny how I had to have an emotional melt-down to achieve peace, but that's how it all transpired.

I was ACLS certified for a number of years because I worked as a Telemetry and/or Step-down nurse. I let it all go after I went out on disability. But no matter what it costs annually for my license, I will never let go of that. I worked too hard to get it.

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by suzi7

I still got my skinny clothes waiting.... calling to me. (just took a bag of the "10s" and such to the Goodwill. I don't even want them around.... )

Looking forward to the 10's hahahaha, should send them my way! LOL. Wow Suzi it looks like we started at about the same weight. How long have you been at this???? Only since May????

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by DebbyL

Hey Suzi,
What have you found to replace sweeteners? I am supposed to stop using it in my coffee... don't like anything I've tried...

I try to stay natural when I can. (while still avoiding sugar as much as possible) That adds a few more calories over the artificial, but I find I don't need as much. Suzanne Somers "taught" me that, if the rainbow (of packets) is in a bowl, and you are avoiding stuff like honey, etc., for diet reasons, go for them in the following order: purple (her own brand, Somersweet, (made with Inulin, erythritol, a tiny bit of fructose and chicory fiber (5 cal/tsp, 0 net g carbs)) or green (Stevia), pink (saccharin), yellow (splenda), and NEVER blue (equal).

Somersweet is a bit pricey (compared to the others) but I think you can't beat it for baking and cooking. (can substitute measure for measure). and its all organic/natural. Stevia is good, and also natural, but some don't like the "licoricey" taste, and it doesn't bake well at all (I think). of the last three, the only one I will touch is saccharin. It is artifical. but at least it isn't an excitotoxin. It has been around for 125 years and, of all the artificials, shows the least side-affects. Tastes like *&^^ when you heat it (bake/cook with it) but it is tolerable. I wouldn't touch the blue for all the tea in China! and I try to avoid the yellow for similar (excitotoxin) reasons.

All in all I find the less I use of sugars and (artificial) sweetner, the less I crave. (just like sodium!) I sometimes drink my morning tea and then realize I put nothing in it! lol... never would have happened 5 years ago!!

[Summerbreeze]

Hello Everyone,

I just joined the forum and would like to try HCG, I have read a lot about it and was trying to decide today should I go with HCG or Atkins. I tried Atkins about 10 years ago but only for a very short time. I want to lose about 20 pounds. Which form of HCG do you like the best, pellets, shots, drops or patches?

What does rogue mean and how does it work? Where can I buy HCG? Sorry for all the questions but I really need to do something fast I'm sick of looking at my fat stomach and feeling so bloated all of the time I'm 5'6 and weight 164 I would really like to weight 140 but 145 would work too, I do have a gym membership just need to start going.

Thanks for your help

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by EmBee

Looking forward to the 10's hahahaha, should send them my way! LOL. Wow Suzi it looks like we started at about the same weight. How long have you been at this???? Only since May????

not the hHcg! lol. that has only been since May. The second number in my little side-thingie (165) is my May weight (pre-hHcg). gonna copy and paste some of my weight-loss story here... from one of the other threads and lower down here (save my poor over-exercised fingers. lol)

"I started losing it about 10 years ago. did it w/o (and burnt out my adrenals etc in the process). "

I've also spent a lifetime dieting (ok, since age 15, when trauma sent my itty-bitty gymnastic weight up to 150) This included ww, and even a spell early on as a bulemic. I have tried almost every diet there is at one time or another; I can do calories and exercise calcs in my head without reference!! I managed to keep it under or around 150 until I hit 35.

After that I ballooned up til I hit 265. I was shocked when the doc weighed me and even more shocked when one of my kids snapped a pic of me in my bathing suit at the beach (but it wasn't me; it was a beached whale!!! Spurred me on to try anything... just to lose it. (I still keep a copy on my bedroom mirror for inspiration!)

I managed to lose 135+ pounds the first 7 of the last 10 years (pre-Hcg) and keep MOST of it off (until I burnt out my adrenals and all and my poor bod decided two years ago to hang on to the whatever pounds were regained (35 of them) no matter what diet I was on (and again I tried them all!!) (til my doc recommended Hcg this spring).

The one thing I did right (I think) is, not unlike the Hcg diet, I would lose weight for a time, then take a "break" and go back to sensible eating (and enjoy my new bod!) for a while (I'm talking like 6 months tho not a few weeks lol. (first "plateau" (I called them pre-Hcg) was when I went from 260 to about 220, then I lost to 195, after that it was smaller increments. Each increment, I looked like a saggy baggy elephant for a good while, although that would slowly change. (I also worked out and built some muscle etc between my dieting phases and took really really good (read NON-chemical) care of my skin all over.)

Right now, I still have approx 25 more pounds to lose. (I lost to 130 three years ago (actually saw 128 for a few months!) and still had too much fat for me for my taste (lol). (I am tiny-framed; weighed 107 or so in my gymnastics days in high school and hit that for both of my weddings and DID not look anorexic at all! (I always had an (almost Dolly Parton-ish hourglass figure, which DID NOT go well with my balance in gymnastics. Coach always had to work with me to raise my center of gravity. LOL (read in that what you want...) not planning on going there, but 125 sounds about right.)

needless to say, I've learned an awful lot about diet and nutrition over the years out of necessity! lol

[minimonkey]

Suzi -- what is w/o? What did you do that burnt out your adrenals? I am fairly sure I already had adrenal fatigue, and then the low calorie stints really make that three hundred times worse, and now I am dealing with crazy rebound gaining.

That is why I am so adamant about not doing low calorie (and particularly low fat!) anymore, at least for a while. I need to restore my system and fix any damage that I've done to my metabolism (and I do think I damaged it, hopefully only temporarily) -- and just deal with the rebound swings until I am stable. I hope can lose it with diligent low carbing, at least most of it, and I know that doesn't hurt my metabolism at all.

[minimonkey]

Not trying to promote my thread, but here's the link, since Cheryl asked....

Atkins/Other Plans after HCG

[CherylB]

Dang, Mini. I just went and looked it up, too. Oh, well. You beat me to it. Will get caught up tomorrow on all of the above.

Night, lovely ladies.

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Suzi -- what is w/o? What did you do that burnt out your adrenals? I am fairly sure I already had adrenal fatigue, and then the low calorie stints really make that three hundred times worse, and now I am dealing with crazy rebound gaining.

That is why I am so adamant about not doing low calorie (and particularly low fat!) anymore, at least for a while. I need to restore my system and fix any damage that I've done to my metabolism (and I do think I damaged it, hopefully only temporarily) -- and just deal with the rebound swings until I am stable. I hope can lose it with diligent low carbing, at least most of it, and I know that doesn't hurt my metabolism at all.

without hcg. just starving (well, long periods of increasingly frustrating low cal/low fat dieting) and you name the diet, I've prob tried it. all the crazies. I finally burnt out completely. The doc I went to at the time tried to diagnose me as "depression" (becuz this was close the first time I got laid off 3 yr ago this March) and wanted to dope me up but I knew better. I had no energy. at all. no matter what I ate or did. I finally gave up on dieting (except for the veggie part) and thus gained back 35 pounds of FLABBO. then 8 months ago, I got ambitious (and a new doc who believed in BHRT and all sorts of hormone replacement and natural stuff too... and testing testing testing (which costs too much money while laid off) I turned to all the "sensible" diets (Somercize, Jillian Michaels, WW, and yes, Atkins) but none of them worked. I "felt" better and tried cardio... tones of it. then slept mid-afternoon. nothing worked. now I feel fine. (well, like I think I said somewhere on here, 85% of fine. not like the teenage, gymnast me, but more like the over-worked, slightly "pudgy" 30 yo I once was.) got another round of testing coming up in a month. full hormone workup. will see. But I feel like the adrenals are coming back.... gotta fine tune some other stuff prob. Life is fun and getting older is even funner. lol

[dazygyrl]

cheryl...sadly, what i would be doing for the FD would be all volunteer. :/

[suzi7]

dang, girls, you are all pulling it outta me today! Told you all stuff I don't usually tell anyone. just smile when people comment on something or other. pretty soon I'll be breaking down completely and tell you about my "Bare-hunter" (YOU will have to imagine what all that means and no, I am not... telling that is). lol (now that's premo stuff. top secret!) and I'm not even drinking!

I think I'll get off here while I'm ahead... and still "decent". G'nite all!!!

[DebbyL]

Originally Posted by suzi7

I try to stay natural when I can. (while still avoiding sugar as much as possible) That adds a few more calories over the artificial, but I find I don't need as much. Suzanne Somers "taught" me that, if the rainbow (of packets) is in a bowl, and you are avoiding stuff like honey, etc., for diet reasons, go for them in the following order: purple (her own brand, Somersweet, (made with Inulin, erythritol, a tiny bit of fructose and chicory fiber (5 cal/tsp, 0 net g carbs)) or green (Stevia), pink (saccharin), yellow (splenda), and NEVER blue (equal).

Somersweet is a bit pricey (compared to the others) but I think you can't beat it for baking and cooking. (can substitute measure for measure). and its all organic/natural. Stevia is good, and also natural, but some don't like the "licoricey" taste, and it doesn't bake well at all (I think). of the last three, the only one I will touch is saccharin. It is artifical. but at least it isn't an excitotoxin. It has been around for 125 years and, of all the artificials, shows the least side-affects. Tastes like *&^^ when you heat it (bake/cook with it) but it is tolerable. I wouldn't touch the blue for all the tea in China! and I try to avoid the yellow for similar (excitotoxin) reasons.

All in all I find the less I use of sugars and (artificial) sweetner, the less I crave. (just like sodium!) I sometimes drink my morning tea and then realize I put nothing in it! lol... never would have happened 5 years ago!!

Thanks Suzi, This week I tried out Agava, Fructose, & honey... I didn't like how I felt... first time in ages that I got hungry. No thanks!
I've never heard of Somners stuff, will have to see if its available in Canada.
I also appreciate your break-down on the other sweeteners. I can never remember which one it is I don't like... this may help!

[minimonkey]

Someone get Suzi a drink, would ya??? I want to hear that story!

[minimonkey]

I'm pretty sure I taxed my adrenals really badly this last year -- the unbelievable stress plus the low calories, and a very physically taxing end of the semester as well -- and, TIMBER... there they went.

I don't have the awful fatigue, though, and am doing well enough with exercise in terms of stamina -- and I DO know fatigue, from having been through Lyme. This is minor by comparison.

What is killing me right now is the water retention/rapid rebound gains -- I do have to trust that low carb will work for me long term -- it has, in the past, and I think it can again as long as I am diligent about it.

[EmBee]

Oh my Goodness Suzi, you could almost be singing my story!! ...what do you guys do stay up all night to talk, hahahahaha.

I didn't do so bad with my planned interrupt for the fourth, but the scale did pop up there to 236 (ZOIKS) .... Pulled an apple day for recovery, (with some Coco Delight thrown in there..hahaha) and dropped back down to 234.4 (which is where I keep fluctuating to ..back and forth with 232) Going to do sort of Fat Fast today and back to protocol on SAT. BUT with all that craziness I still lost 3.5 INCHES!!! YAY

[EmBee]

Originally Posted by Summerbreeze

Hello Everyone,

I just joined the forum and would like to try HCG, I have read a lot about it and was trying to decide today should I go with HCG or Atkins. I tried Atkins about 10 years ago but only for a very short time. I want to lose about 20 pounds. Which form of HCG do you like the best, pellets, shots, drops or patches?

What does rogue mean and how does it work? Where can I buy HCG? Sorry for all the questions but I really need to do something fast I'm sick of looking at my fat stomach and feeling so bloated all of the time I'm 5'6 and weight 164 I would really like to weight 140 but 145 would work too, I do have a gym membership just need to start going.

Thanks for your help

Hey SummerBreeze I use Intermountain drops and pellets. You probably would only need one round of HCG (23 to 40 days) ... Rogue means a plan that is not exactly as following the Simeons protocal . We all have found things that do (OR DONT hahaha) work for us . That are not on protocal plan. I think you will be happy with the results . This is amazing group of ladies here. I would recommend you read the "Pounds and Inches" book to get an idea of the plan. It has been very successful for me !

[dazygyrl]

good morning! today is my weekly weigh in. have had 7 solid days of VLCD with a couple of 'social things' in those 7 days. i am down 3.6 from last friday. which is .51/day so am losing with the norm of what women should expect to lose. and considering how rogue i do this with higher cals, more protein, different grains, some added fat...i can't complain.

[DebbyL]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

good morning! today is my weekly weigh in. have had 7 solid days of VLCD with a couple of 'social things' in those 7 days. i am down 3.6 from last friday. which is .51/day so am losing with the norm of what women should expect to lose. and considering how rogue i do this with higher cals, more protein, different grains, some added fat...i can't complain.

How much fat do you eat? What are your %? I'm at 40/30/30 (C/F/P) right now... moving toward changing to higher fat-lower carb... but thinking about the HCG...have to decide...
Thanks!

[paulabob]

Oh, of course I rebounded! Ended with 1800 calories yesterday (all lowcarb...) up 2 pounds today. Shouldn't matter in the long run, keeping 8-10 K calories a week...but it's annoying how easy my weight goes up, how hard it is to go down. Guess it's that way for all of us!

Mini, share the link where your posting...I should prolly crawl over there...if they won't kick out a calorie counting lowcarber (I know it's very unpopular!).

[dazygyrl]

Originally Posted by DebbyL

How much fat do you eat? What are your %? I'm at 40/30/30 (C/F/P) right now... moving toward changing to higher fat-lower carb... but thinking about the HCG...have to decide...
Thanks!

looking back over the days i have tracked, it looks like i average 20-40 (slightly less than 40, i guess...the highest i saw was 36 i think). i eat whole eggs, use so delicious unsweetened coconut milk (4.5g fat/cup and super good for you coconut fat), real HH in my morning coffee, plus any fat that may naturally be in my meats...i use 93/7 ground beef, frozen skinless chicken breast, and my new growing love, tilapia from walmart. sooo yummy and such a big protein punch for so few cals! i just ate 6oz of tilapia for lunch...150 cals, 4g fat, 30g protein!! i need higher protein. it think i average 50-80g of protein daily.

today's menu so far:

egg sandwich made with one egg, one piece of 45 cal sara lee bread, smidge of butter on the bread.
fat free dannon greek yogurt with 1/2 c fresh strawberries, ezsweets, vanilla extract
6oz tilapia, 3T light miracle whip
strawberry shake -- 1 cup fresh strawberries, 1 cup coconut milk, 1 packet wild strawberry crystal light, 1/4 tsp konjac powder for fiber and thickening.

513 cals
20g fat
54g protein

not sure what supper will be yet. maybe a ham/veggie pita and a few more fresh strawberries. i will allow up to 800 cal a day, but haven't needed to yet...usually am at 750-780. ( and no, not many veggies...my tummy prefers it that way)

[DebbyL]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

looking back over the days i have tracked, it looks like i average 20-40 (slightly less than 40, i guess...the highest i saw was 36 i think). i eat whole eggs, use so delicious unsweetened coconut milk (4.5g fat/cup and super good for you coconut fat), real HH in my morning coffee, plus any fat that may naturally be in my meats...i use 93/7 ground beef, frozen skinless chicken breast, and my new growing love, tilapia from walmart. sooo yummy and such a big protein punch for so few cals! i just ate 6oz of tilapia for lunch...150 cals, 4g fat, 30g protein!! i need higher protein. it think i average 50-80g of protein daily.

today's menu so far:

egg sandwich made with one egg, one piece of 45 cal sara lee bread, smidge of butter on the bread.
fat free dannon greek yogurt with 1/2 c fresh strawberries, ezsweets, vanilla extract
6oz tilapia, 3T light miracle whip
strawberry shake -- 1 cup fresh strawberries, 1 cup coconut milk, 1 packet wild strawberry crystal light, 1/4 tsp konjac powder for fiber and thickening.

513 cals
20g fat
54g protein

not sure what supper will be yet. maybe a ham/veggie pita and a few more fresh strawberries. i will allow up to 800 cal a day, but haven't needed to yet...usually am at 750-780. ( and no, not many veggies...my tummy prefers it that way)

Thanks,
I'm a bit lost though... So, you're saying you eat no carbs? So, you're mostly Protein, some fat, no carbs?
Carbs ?/Fat 20-40g/Protein 54g & 800 calories.
Sorry to be a pain...

[dazygyrl]

not a pain... i eat carbs...i had bread with my egg this morning and mentioned i may have a pita later on. and strawberries. carbs for today are a net 28.

[DebbyL]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

not a pain... i eat carbs...i had bread with my egg this morning and mentioned i may have a pita later on. and strawberries. carbs for today are a net 28.

OK. Thanks!

So, 30 C/ 40 F/ 54 P

That's works out to 24%C--32%F--44%P

That's great news! I was thinking I'd like to stay heavy on the fat, but really wanted to try the HCG too!

Another question? Can you take ipoprofen at the same time? My back is still giving me grief.
Does it work ok with other supplements?

Thanks so much!

[dazygyrl]

sure...don't know why not.

[EmBee]

I don't know if its Legal or not (hahahah wait a minute we are rogue) I just finished my fat fast with Cheese pulled off the pizza...hahahaha

[minimonkey]

Paula

I'm posting here:

Atkins/Other Plans after HCG

We are all just trying to figure out what to do next, seeing as how none of us has managed to hit goal and maintain doing hcg -- rogue or not. I know I'd love you to come post over there!

[minimonkey]

I'm just doing straight up Atkins at the moment -- suffering terrible rebound gains from starting to eat again, though -- most of it is water, I think, but there is a LOT of that going on.

We're all doing different approaches, and trying to find something that works.

I'm pretty clear on the fact that hcg isn't for me -- I lose on it, but I rebound horribly, and p3 is a nightmare when ever I try to go on it... so I was ending up living on p2, and that was a bad, bad idea.

I'm facing it, healing the body and the metabolism, and trying to get back on track now with Atkins. It's a miserable process, but I can't starve forever, and that much is clear to me.

[EmBee]

I understand that Mini...I am trying to get under the 200 mark and then go from there

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

weird day for sure, cheryl. glad you sold the unit tho. i need to renew my nursing license by october. i do all my CEU's online. how many do you have to do? i need 36. i have been trying to get on the volunteer fire department in town..lif keeps happening. first it was dad's illness/death...then i had to deal with mom's desperate grief....then noah... but, with my RN, i can be one level below a paramedic if i check off with the county medical director, who happens to be my FP. if i were to get ACLS certified, i could be a paramedic by RN exception. so anyway, i thought i'd get CEU courses dealing with trauma/emergency nursing. i found one for 30 CEUs.

What do they charge you for renewing your nursing license? Ours used to be $50 and then right after I paid the $50 a couple years ago, I got a notice saying that it had DOUBLED. So now it's $100 per year. I hate CT. Sometimes I just simply hate it. Usually when it involves my wallet!

I think this was an old quote but it showed up when I multi-quoted so I went for it.

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

cheryl...sadly, what i would be doing for the FD would be all volunteer. :/

Well, volunteering is all I do right now, but it's with horses. It's all experience and I look at it like an Apprenticeship. I couldn't afford this type of training and time served is often enough to get you a good job somewhere, eventually. I'm hoping that the job will materialize right where I'm volunteering but if it doesn't, I'll find work elsewhere.

It's all good experience, Carrie. Do it for a while and see where it leads. It's all planting seeds.

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

good morning! today is my weekly weigh in. have had 7 solid days of VLCD with a couple of 'social things' in those 7 days. i am down 3.6 from last friday. which is .51/day so am losing with the norm of what women should expect to lose. and considering how rogue i do this with higher cals, more protein, different grains, some added fat...i can't complain.

Doing great!

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I'm just doing straight up Atkins at the moment -- suffering terrible rebound gains from starting to eat again, though -- most of it is water, I think, but there is a LOT of that going on.

We're all doing different approaches, and trying to find something that works.

I'm pretty clear on the fact that hcg isn't for me -- I lose on it, but I rebound horribly, and p3 is a nightmare when ever I try to go on it... so I was ending up living on p2, and that was a bad, bad idea.

I'm facing it, healing the body and the metabolism, and trying to get back on track now with Atkins. It's a miserable process, but I can't starve forever, and that much is clear to me.

Wow, Mini. I never thought I'd see the day! I thought you were on an emotional or mental addiction to HCG. I was worried that you would never find a way to live your life without being on it. I'm so relieved and I thank God that you have found life on the other side. You're going to do GREAT!!!!

As for me, I had a hustling bustling type of day. STS on the scale but kicked @$$ around the house. It's cleaner and tidier than it's been since I first moved in! I can now kick back this weekend and completely enjoy the fruits of my labor. I think Friday will forever be my house-keeping day.

Nighty-night, you cutie pies! Love you to pieces. Have a wonderful weekend. I'm going to a belated 4th of July block party in my old neighborhood tomorrow. Will not get there when it starts or I will be drunk before the fireworks begin!