~~ Rogue HCG/hHCG plans for week of June 25, 2012 ~~

[paulabob]

I'll be thinking about him and you, and praying for quick healing and great doctors!

Arg, trampolines make me so nervous. I've told my own boy a hundred times not to do flips...but he still does them!

Happy 4th people! Fireworks are already going, but it's still light outside here! Going to take my bath and put on a neighborhood wearable PJ (LOL, like there is such a thing!)

[CherylB]

Rock those PJ's, Paula!

[DebbyL]

Dazygyrl God bless & heal your son!

Hope they get him fixed up quick.

[RileyWorm]

oh bummer about your son's nose carrie!! here's to a speedy recovery!

did everyone get to enjoy fireworks this evening? i went to the picnic where they were having the fireworks but knew it would be late night if i stayed so i came home early. we are the only town around who didn't cancel their fireworks show due to extreme drought so there were sooooo many people there. i came home and watched dallas instead.

[dazygyrl]

Thanks, ladies.

will post pics tomorrow. thankfully his sleepiness didn't last long and he watching tv by the time we left.

We'll go see the specialist first thing in the morning for realignment. Both bones are broke and displaced.

More later....

[minimonkey]

Much love to all of you --

I wrote a long post last night, but I think it got lost when the site went down for maintenance.

Cheryl, so sorry to hear about the financial problems -- I surely DO understand that one!

The purple dress is gorgeous, and I seriously might have to steal the shoes!

Dazy -- prayers for a quick healing on that broken nose on ds .. . OUCH!!!

Much more to say, but will catch up more later -- I am doing well on Atkins in general, but dealing with a heap of water reterntion right now and it is making me miserable. Not sure how much of it is from finally starting to eat again, and how much of it is hormones/Lyme/what have you.

Anyhow, huge rebound gains, and I think a great deal of it is water.

I'm going to ride this out for now, and just hope it all levels out.

I am saving another p2 as a last resort, if I can't figure this out any other way -- I hope I don't have to go there.

[dazygyrl]

good morning. i am feeling great! hunger control is great. mirror is being kinder. clothes fitting better. looking forward to weighing tomorrow morning.

here's a link to some pictures. didn't want to clog the thread up with a major hijack.
Trail Blazers and Path Takers

[paulabob]

LOL Carrie, those pics were fun (but the nose looks painful). Hope the resetting is quick and pain free!

Back in the 129s this morning (woot woot!). Hope it sticks and doesn't rebound this weekend. I'm also in the pre-ovulation part of my cycle...so water weight ahead for me. For now, I'm happy!

[dazygyrl]

congrats, paula!! feels great, i'm sure!!

[EmBee]

Good Morning!!!

Dazy: sorry about your son's nose..OUCH!

Yesterday was fun, but the scale did pretty much what I expected with the TOM and planned intervention day (4 pounds...sigh) But I know alot is water retention, I didn't get near enough water in yesterday ;/....this calls for an apple day ..Maybe followed by a couple days of FAT FAST, I'll see. Then back to strict (or sort of hahahaha)

Got in really late last night, missed the Aqua Zumba class this AM, I'm thinking a lazy day is in order

[catjrow3]

Carrie, poor guy! That looks painful. Hope it helps quickly and the ENT can help out and he does not get 2 black eyes!!

[dazygyrl]

dr wants to wait for the swelling to go down before resetting it so will have that surgery on the 18th. I think just his right eye will get black. and he says he'll still go to his leadership camp so am thankful for that!

[CherylB]

That CT image is amazing! Poor kid. I'm so glad he's still going to go to his meeting. He'll get lots of admiration and attention. I remember when I got kicked in the hip/thigh by a horse around age 13. I wore that bruise with pride.

Mini, I thought I somehow was reading one of your old posts when I read the part about the purple dress and wanting to have my shoes. I realized that it was a new post as I kept reading. Glad Atkins/P3 is going well for you. Yep; financial issues can be a drag but this is only temporary and situational. I may sell my large a/c unit around 3:30 today so that will help matters.

EmBee, sorry for the 4 lb jump on the scale. Can't say you didn't earn it though, right? Didn't you just go off plan for a party? Mmmhmmm. Hope your apple day goes well. Actually, I'll tell you what I used to do during P2 after I took a "refeed day." I would eat whatever the occasion was offering, then the following day I would have a liquid fast (coffee, water.) ETA: I would eat an apple late in the evening if I was hungry. The day after that, I'd be back on P2 as regularly scheduled. The bump up was typically gone after 3 days that way and I was back in the losing mode as before.

Paula, WTG on being back in the 20's!! Woohooooo! That must feel great.

Cathy, nice to see you again. How is your current plan treating you? Don't be afraid to post details here. I'm not doing hhcg right now but I still play here.

So, I'm down 1.6 lbs today. I thought my weight had bumped up until I went to write it down and saw that it was actually a loss. Very happy. Slow and steady wins the race. Fast and furious is fun, though.

Have a great day, ladies. Dazy, remind us when the surgery grows nearer so we can pray for all of you. You've got quite the family, sweetie. Nice other pics too, BTW. I used to love to go shooting with my brother in law and sister. He's a gun fanatic. Has a safe stuffed with them.

[anir]

Dazy: sorry about your son's
todat vlcd7 still lossing pound aday
im doing great

[suzi7]

Yeah, same thing they told mine. can't do anything til the swelling goes down. and trust me, he will be the King of camp... kids think stuff like that is way cool, I guess. Just tell him to be coy and evasive about how it happened. (not lie... but you know, be cool like "you should see the other guy..." Let them fill in the blanks.

will be praying! am making a note on my calendar re the 18th... if anything changes, let us know!

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by anir

vlcd7 still lossing pound aday
im doing great

WAHOO!!

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by paulabob

Back in the 129s this morning (woot woot!). Hope it sticks and doesn't rebound this weekend. ...... For now, I'm happy!

Way to go, girl!!!! I am so happy for you!!

I know my next round that is my goal to "bust a couple more "O"s"... especially the one with the 3 in the middle. lol. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE 120'S AGAIN!!! It's been a couple years (ok three now....) since I was there, and then only for a couple months. sigh! but it felt so good, I get warm fuzzies just thinking about it!!! I still got my skinny clothes waiting.... calling to me. (just took a bag of the "10s" and such to the Goodwill. I don't even want them around.... )

[mommy2boysaz]

I am in Round 1, P2 of hHCG and have some questions:

Why can't the hHCG be used in conjunction with other diets? Since it works to dampen the appetite so well, wouldn't it be helpful if trying to do, say, a 1200 calorie diet? Or, what about using it while doing JUDDD? Or Weight Watchers?

I am pretty new to all of this and have read through many of your posts, so I see that many of you are doing various versions of the Simeon protocol, but I just wondered if you could take it further and do a completely different diet while using the hHCG for appetite suppression...

I read someplace that you can only take it for so long before you get "immune" to it, so could you take it for a month, off for a month, etc, etc?
Just wondered if any of you have experimented with any of these ideas and what your experiences were.

Thank you!!

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by mommy2boysaz

I am in Round 1, P2 of hHCG and have some questions:

Why can't the hHCG be used in conjunction with other diets? Since it works to dampen the appetite so well, wouldn't it be helpful if trying to do, say, a 1200 calorie diet? Or, what about using it while doing JUDDD? Or Weight Watchers?

I'm fairly new too, R1, P3... and going back to the "well" for another round P2 starting July 16. .... but I've read a lot and talked to a lot of people on here (who can probably better answer.... but I'll give it a try...) I've also spent a lifetime dieting (ok, since age 15, including ww, and a spell early on as a bulemic; I have tried almost every diet there is, managed to lose 135+ pounds in the last 10 years (pre-Hcg) and keep MOST of it off (until I burnt out my adrenals and all and my poor bod decided two years ago to hang on to the pounds regained (35 of them) no matter what diet I was on (til my doc recommended Hcg).

Hcg works on a few areas... (1) Being one of the "pregnancy" hormones, it tricks the body into believing that you gots a bun in the oven. That's all well and good (and I think that in itself has a lot of "good" side benefits... which if I had space, I could get into... ;-) but for now, I'll stick to the weightloss side of it.)

The key to using Hcg as a means to lose weight (and FAT really, the right kind, and not your muscle, like a lot of other diets) is that after taking Hcg, you have to cut out fat (as much as possible. Dear Dr Simon advocated 99.9% fat free, as in no moisturizers, don't even touch oil to make someone elses food, etc, but most of us here on the Rogue side have pretty well "learnt" that we can get good losses with probably 90% fat free.) AND throw your body into a "semi-" starvation mode by cutting calories low, low, low (most agree that 500 (the Simon "limit") to 800 is the range.) This, combined with the Hcg in your system, throws your body into a "OH NO! I must feed the little bun" cycle which pulls at your stored fat (especially and only if you severally restrict the incoming fats, cuz we know the bod is lazy and will suck up all those easy fats first.) (it will also use any carbs you want to throw in first of all, even before the fats so you want follow the guidelines and really limit the carbies to about 50 calories a day for P2 and none for P3) (again a lot of us do without them, or experiment beyond the nasty grissoni and melba...)

This forces the body to burn fat to survive. I personally lost only 15 pounds my first round using modified version (I'm vegetarian... so I guess I'm forced to be rogue

Other diets don't have the combo no fat, low carb, high protein (to feed the muscle), forced fat-burning, that the Hcg diet has (even the Rogue variety). You can try it... but idk about the results, as the success of Hcg weight loss depends on so much more than just taking the Hcg. it is just the catalyst to change.

another thing that a lot of people are exploring is the way that Hcg leads the body to reset itself (someone more "techy" than me can give you specifics but in a nutshell, it forces the body to reset a lot of hormones and stuff that most of us have messed up. The sort of things that cause us to re-gain because our metabolisms and hunger sensors have been so messed up by all those lovely years of eating the wrong things and then trying all those diets to get it off. The body wants to survive and heal itself (which I think is part of the "preggie" thing.... ) I know for a fact that I feel better. Now on P3, I still do not have the hunger cravings I had before. My body KNOWS what full is.

I go in next month for a full hormone test workup and I can't wait to see the results. I KNOW from the way I feel that a lot of what was wrong is now getting right. haven't felt this good in years!

hopefully this novel isn't just totally confusing for you. and hopefully someone more learned and wiser than me can step in and explain it better.

my advice is to start with the basic Simon (or Owl) diet and then modify... adjust.... add a bit here and there (like we Rogues have been doing) but stick to the basic premises.

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by mommy2boysaz

I read someplace that you can only take it for so long before you get "immune" to it, so could you take it for a month, off for a month, etc, etc? ....

Thank you!!

didn't want this to get confused with all that mumbo-jumbo I just wrote.

The prescription Hcg, there are some people who develop resistance to it, if they take it for a long, long time (over 40 days) without a "break". The hHcg not so. At least most of what I have read shows that hHcg doesn't need-need the break like Hcg. So longer rounds are possible. Some people (usually under a dr or clinic's care have used the prescription Hcg for a lot longer than 40 with no bad results).

I stopped taking hHcg after 40 days not because of any "allergy" issues, but because my body screamed enough! I took the break and am doing P3 to do the "other" half of the Protocol, which is to reset your metabolism (all those lovely hormone thingies) and give my body a new "set-point" (and a break with some yummy fatties!!) before jumping back it. I am giving it 21 days to stabilize at this weight (so far so good, only 2 cd's (correction days) so far.) and jumping right into R2P2 after loading, without P4 (which is, in my opinion, the "maintenance" phase (which I would basically do for the rest of my life (easy!)

questions?

[suzi7]

I should have pre-qualified all this by stating that "I am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv..." lol just one of the "girls" (and a few guys) hanging around with some really smart people who understand all this stuff and who I couldn't do this without...(one of which is my wonderful doc!)

[mommy2boysaz]

WOW! Thanks, Suzi!

You said it all and said it clearly!! I appreciate you taking the time to answer all my questions. It does make sense to me now. Just a lot to understand and think about!

There are so many of you that have done so well on this that I'm inspired to hang in there and keep at it. I guess I am doing some rogue things, like using whatever soap, shampoo, and even lotion and face cream. Other than a couple of brief "cheats", I've eaten completely clean. So, no more cheats for me! I plan to finish this round clean!

And, since I've discovered that Nutrasweet triggers my appetite like CRAZY, I'll be avoiding it as much as I can...

Thank you again!!!! These boards ROCK!

[minimonkey]

Hi all you lovely people!

I wanted to pop in and send love to all -- I don't think I am going to read or post too much on the hcg threads just for the moment -- I'm fighting the urge to run back to p2 and get this weight off super quickly, and given the metabolic pickle I am in, I think that is about the last thing I really want to be doing ... so...

I'm posting over on the thread I started, Atkins/Other Plans after hcg -- and hope y'all will keep up with me over there to some extent.

I didn't want anyone to worry if I stop posting here -- I'm just doing the best I can to stick to the plan that intuitively feels best to me, and I don't want to discourage any new hcg-ers, either -- this mess is due to my own disregard of the need for limited p2 rounds, and proper breaks between rounds, and so forth.

I'll be around the boards, and will check in periodically to send love and cheers to y'all!

[CherylB]

First I'm going to post a link to my journal so you can all go read about my day. It was WEIRD. Then I will get caught-up on the newest posts and do personals.

The Continuing Saga of CherylB's Weight Loss Journey (part 2)

[suzi7]

Originally Posted by mommy2boysaz

WOW! Thanks, Suzi!
And, since I've discovered that Nutrasweet triggers my appetite like CRAZY, I'll be avoiding it as much as I can...

Thank you again!!!! These boards ROCK!

awe sucks, ma'am. lol

I wanted to say (and forgot) but you hit it...
another thing this diet does is (3) remove a lot of the frankinfood crap from your diet (and, as it's been said many times, it takes at least 21 days to break an old habit and/or start a new one, remove it from your body's craving vocabulary.) All those additives and chemical &%$ that don't belong/weren't what God intended us to eat or put on our bodies (don't get lil ole organic/vegetarian/naturalistic/mother-earth me going.... lol) Nutrisweet is evil.... but one of many evil things we add to our bodies every day without thinking. It's an excitotoxin. A major one. Made from a derivative of wood alcohol (which we know will make you blind if you drink it straight) (studied derivatives in my finance classes, but I digress... ) Others include MSG (in all its disguises... and do a web-search, there are tons of camoflagued forms of MSG). Excitotoxins make stuff taste, well, artifically yummy and make you crave more of it. Nutrisweet makes you crave more "sweet" stuff... and we all know the evil slippery slope that leads to. People who drink diet pop actually eat more SUGARS during the day (in total) than people who drink SUGAR pop. fact. That's one of the reasons regular diets don't work. They rely on "diet" food (read "nutrisweeted" and "msg'ed" and low/no fat! (which without Hcg is something your body needs for survival!! Natural, non-doctored Fat is not evil!!) and set you up for failure... and more diet food. (think there's a method to their madness... the almighty dollar. not your health.)

and (4) by severely limiting the variety of food you take in to the Simon (or Owl) basics, you remove a lot of foods from your diet that, while you may not be out and out allergic to, you are "sensitive" to. Like some sad people cannot eat eggs; Suzanne Somers (Ms. Somercize herself, who I adore!) says that when she eliminated eggs (only) from her diet, she lost 15 pounds of mostly bloat and belly fat (and this was years into her healthy eating and all). Wheat has that reaction to a lot of people. It shows up not only in bloat (especially water-weight and bloat around the middle) but in inflammation. I have mild arthritis (right hip, left knee, and back) and it was bothering me MAJORLY this past winter/spring before I started on the Hsg diet. (took a bad fall in November and this started a cycle of pain and, well, just plain inflammation) The Hcg (using hHcg here) took that all away. My joints and back feel 85% (ok not 100% YET... like when I was in highschool gymnastics and cheerleading and could straddle split from a flip and touch the toes of one foot to the back of my head while on the balance beam (before the double flip with a half twist dismount). LOL (oh those were the days!!) but it makes me feel, let's say, 30 again. (and that's been a while. A lot of things we eat can trigger a weight gain (inflammation all by itself no matter what the "cause" trigger it too, by a little more convoluted path). Like one of my triggers turned out to be cabbage... uncooked cabbage. (for some reason when I cook it, I get no bloat ????)

So by starting clean and eating clean.... then adding one new thing (or "category" like wheat) to your diet, you can see right away what if anything it triggers. and remove it. The Protocol is (usually) safe food (except for the raw cabbage, in my case).

ok. enough. going to go for a nice walk, before it rains.... again. going to be 97 here tomorrow!!!!

[pendragginp]

Oh, poor little nose! Please remind us close to surgery date so I can pray too!

Lots of folks doing pretty well, even with planned interruptions! I'm looking forward to the 20s too.

Welcome to the newbies! And mini, I know you'll feel your way forward into a plan that gives your poor little body what it needs.

I'm still in my new decade, so I hope it's pretty solid. I forgot to take my pellets with me to work though so I had my second dose when I got home around 7:00 and I'll have to do my third dose just before bed.

Everyone have a good evening, and good losses tomorrow!

Off to read about Cheryl's weird day!

[dazygyrl]

weird day for sure, cheryl. glad you sold the unit tho. i need to renew my nursing license by october. i do all my CEU's online. how many do you have to do? i need 36. i have been trying to get on the volunteer fire department in town..lif keeps happening. first it was dad's illness/death...then i had to deal with mom's desperate grief....then noah... but, with my RN, i can be one level below a paramedic if i check off with the county medical director, who happens to be my FP. if i were to get ACLS certified, i could be a paramedic by RN exception. so anyway, i thought i'd get CEU courses dealing with trauma/emergency nursing. i found one for 30 CEUs.

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by suzi7

Yeah, same thing they told mine. can't do anything til the swelling goes down. and trust me, he will be the King of camp... kids think stuff like that is way cool, I guess. Just tell him to be coy and evasive about how it happened. (not lie... but you know, be cool like "you should see the other guy..." Let them fill in the blanks.

will be praying! am making a note on my calendar re the 18th... if anything changes, let us know!

That's exactly what I was thinking! I'll bet he's the center of attention. He might decide to live a hazardous life after seeing the girls fawning all over him and the respect the boys give him.

Originally Posted by suzi7

Way to go, girl!!!! I am so happy for you!!

I know my next round that is my goal to "bust a couple more "O"s"... especially the one with the 3 in the middle. lol. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE 120'S AGAIN!!! It's been a couple years (ok three now....) since I was there, and then only for a couple months. sigh! but it felt so good, I get warm fuzzies just thinking about it!!! I still got my skinny clothes waiting.... calling to me. (just took a bag of the "10s" and such to the Goodwill. I don't even want them around.... )

I haven't been at my goal weight in 12 or 13 years. I envy you that it's been such a short time since you were in the 20's. You'll be back there soon. Just keep doing what works!

Originally Posted by suzi7

I should have pre-qualified all this by stating that "I am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv..." lol just one of the "girls" (and a few guys) hanging around with some really smart people who understand all this stuff and who I couldn't do this without...(one of which is my wonderful doc!)

Thanks and (((HUGS))) for all the time and attention you put into your reply to the mom of 2 boys in az. (I'm guessing that's where she's from!) Nice job!! And I'd like to add that no one knows the answers as far as what you can and can't combine with hhcg/hcg. It's all a personal thing. If you do it and it works, then it works. If you do it and it doesn't, then share the info so others can benefit from your experiences. But there is no rule book.

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Hi all you lovely people!

I wanted to pop in and send love to all -- I don't think I am going to read or post too much on the hcg threads just for the moment -- I'm fighting the urge to run back to p2 and get this weight off super quickly, and given the metabolic pickle I am in, I think that is about the last thing I really want to be doing ... so...

I'm posting over on the thread I started, Atkins/Other Plans after hcg -- and hope y'all will keep up with me over there to some extent.

I didn't want anyone to worry if I stop posting here -- I'm just doing the best I can to stick to the plan that intuitively feels best to me, and I don't want to discourage any new hcg-ers, either -- this mess is due to my own disregard of the need for limited p2 rounds, and proper breaks between rounds, and so forth.

I'll be around the boards, and will check in periodically to send love and cheers to y'all!

No link? Okay. I'll go get it and post it over here so we will come and keep you company over there. Very good idea for you to start the new thread, Zoe. I like what I'm seeing in you, darling. Be careful; wisdom is showing!

Originally Posted by mommy2boysaz

WOW! Thanks, Suzi!

You said it all and said it clearly!! I appreciate you taking the time to answer all my questions. It does make sense to me now. Just a lot to understand and think about!

There are so many of you that have done so well on this that I'm inspired to hang in there and keep at it. I guess I am doing some rogue things, like using whatever soap, shampoo, and even lotion and face cream. Other than a couple of brief "cheats", I've eaten completely clean. So, no more cheats for me! I plan to finish this round clean!

And, since I've discovered that Nutrasweet triggers my appetite like CRAZY, I'll be avoiding it as much as I can...

Thank you again!!!! These boards ROCK!

Nutrasweet or "Equal" is very bad for you. Just wanted to bring that up. If you google it, you'll be shocked at what that stuff can do to a body. I switched from Equal over to powdered Splenda, then found liquid Ez Sweetz at Netrition and never looked back. Now if I have powdered Splenda in a large quantity (like in a recipe), I get headaches and nauseous.

I sold my a/c unit!!! Got an unexpected $250 in my pocket so my finacial crunch has been abated. There is a God and He cares for us!!! Not as humid today but in my old abode, it was stifeling. I opened windows and there was a breeze but it wasn't coming through the house. I was sweating like a hog. All for a good cause, though. Drove to the bank and deposited $200 of the money, then went to the liquor store and bought a case of cold Molson Golden. Still tracking my calories and will still keep expenses to their absolute minimum this month just to see if I can manage to add to my savings when I need to.

But I still have lots of things to sell at the old place and this experience of selling things off one at a time is getting very, VERY old. As soon as we get a break in this hot weather, I'm going to get things organized and make new signs for the next moving sale (well, the only "moving sale" but the second tag sale.)

Wow! I just had a flash-back to a dream I had last night. I dreamed that I was living in a place that had a devil worshipper next door and he was a menacing character who was messing with me. If you read the post on my journal from today, you'll see why this dream is "weird."

[DebbyL]

Originally Posted by suzi7

awe sucks, ma'am. lol
Nutrisweet is evil.... but one of many evil things we add to our bodies every day without thinking. It's an excitotoxin. A major one. Made from a derivative of wood alcohol (which we know will make you blind if you drink it straight) (studied derivatives in my finance classes, but I digress... ) Others include MSG (in all its disguises... and do a web-search, there are tons of camoflagued forms of MSG).

Hey Suzi,
What have you found to replace sweeteners? I am supposed to stop using it in my coffee... don't like anything I've tried...

[CherylB]

Originally Posted by dazygyrl

weird day for sure, cheryl. glad you sold the unit tho. i need to renew my nursing license by october. i do all my CEU's online. how many do you have to do? i need 36. i have been trying to get on the volunteer fire department in town..lif keeps happening. first it was dad's illness/death...then i had to deal with mom's desperate grief....then noah... but, with my RN, i can be one level below a paramedic if i check off with the county medical director, who happens to be my FP. if i were to get ACLS certified, i could be a paramedic by RN exception. so anyway, i thought i'd get CEU courses dealing with trauma/emergency nursing. i found one for 30 CEUs.

Believe it or not, CT doesn't require that we do ANY CEU's. Isn't that nuts? Just pay the toll and be on your way. How reckless! I mean, even Electricians need to have continuing education points. If I ever return to nursing (and someday I shall), I will need to enter into one of those re-entry programs that gives nurses a refresher course prior to actually working in patient care. You have to be out of the workforce for three years before you qualify, but someday I believe that I'll feel ready for it. I just have to find the right "fit" for me.

I had forgotten about things that had preceded Noah. Oh dear God, Carrie. I hope you are able to find ways to regroup and recharge because it was one life-blow after another that pushed me over the edge.

Not sure what you mean by qualifying for one step below an RN and being a Paramedic. Do you mean that if you don't get enough CEU's you can lose your nursing degree or have to take the boards over again? OMG. I would be so screwed if that were me.

I have a fire department just across the street from my new duplex. I sometimes wonder about volunteering in that arena. Maybe that would help get me back in the saddle. Would they take someone who has an RN license but hasn't worked since December of 2008? Hmmm. Maybe I need to branch out from the equestrian road I'm on and keep one foot in the medical field.