RND2PH2

[Berta48]

I just recieved my Pounds and Inches book today and upon reading it this is what I read...This is confusing to me. Am I actually suppose to eat to capacity for one week Then it says 3rd injection.I'm doing sublingual so does that mean i have three load days or a week?
Sorry if this is a silly question but it confuses me.

I was to start my first RXHCG tomorrow and load for two days but now I don't know what to do.

Patients whose general condition is low, owing to excessive previous dieting, must eat to capacity for about one week before starting treatment, regardless of how much weight they may gain in the process. One cannot keep a patient comfortably on 500 Calories unless his normal fat reserves are reasonably well stocked. It is for this reason also that every case, even those that are actually gaining must eat to capacity of the most fattening food they can get down until they have had the third injection. It is a fundamental mistake to put a patient on 500 Calories as soon as the injections are started, as it seems to take about three injections before abnormally deposited fat begins to circulate and thus become available.



We distinguish between the first three injections, which we call “non-effective” as far as the loss of weight is concerned, and the subsequent injections given while the patient is dieting, which we call “effective”. The average loss of weight is calculated on the number of effective injections and from the weight reached on the day of the third injection which may be well above what it was two days earlier when the first injection was given.

[misslatte]

Hi!

I haven't done a round with Rx but from what I've read I've understood (from the hcg short form thread) that you load for TWO days and at the end of your round you eat VLC without injections for the last three days (vs 2 on hhcg). Any RX-ers want to confirm?

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by misslatte

Hi!

I haven't done a round with Rx but from what I've read I've understood (from the hcg short form thread) that you load for TWO days and at the end of your round you eat VLC without injections for the last three days (vs 2 on hhcg). Any RX-ers want to confirm?

Yes that is what I thought but when I read the eat for a week thing it confused me. I know this is a simple plan but it just seems to get more confusing to me as the longr I go?

I am going to do the sublingual RX HCG and I know to go VLC 3 days after LDW

[misslatte]

What's on your loading menu for tomorrow and Sunday? Have you also stocked up your fridge for P2? YAY I look forward to hearing about your progress

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by misslatte

Hi!

I haven't done a round with Rx but from what I've read I've understood (from the hcg short form thread) that you load for TWO days and at the end of your round you eat VLC without injections for the last three days (vs 2 on hhcg). Any RX-ers want to confirm?

Originally Posted by misslatte

What's on your loading menu for tomorrow and Sunday? Have you also stocked up your fridge for P2? YAY I look forward to hearing about your progress

This is my second round. I lost 20lbs the first rnd. ldw was 256.6 but the next day I dropped 2 more lbs but since then I have had to do correction day after CD day to keep it there.

Tomorrow we are having bacon, eggs, hash brown and toast with butter for breakfast.
For lunch sausage gravy and biscuits and bisdcuits w/o gravy and butter.

Supper Stuffed jalhepeno(sp)peppers with cheddar cheese & BBQ chicken wings.Evening snack Popcorn with butter. and oreo double stuffed cookies.

Sunday we are going out to eat so I have no idea what I'll have for lunch.(we never eat breakfast on Sunday as we don't have time before sunday school) but I will have my whipping cream in my coffee...Supper will probably be a BIG mac and french fries

PH2 I have stk, lean hamburger, shrimp, Tilpia & chicken breasts, lettuce & WF rasberry dressing, Spinach and cucumbers and celery.Apples and StrawberriesHerbal teas and Truvia and Splenda.And of coruse my coffeee. But during PH2 I usually drink tea because I can't have my WC

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Patients whose general condition is low, owing to excessive previous dieting, must eat to capacity for about one week before starting treatment, regardless of how much weight they may gain in the process. One cannot keep a patient comfortably on 500 Calories unless his normal fat reserves are reasonably well stocked. It is for this reason also that every case, even those that are actually gaining must eat to capacity of the most fattening food they can get down until they have had the third injection. It is a fundamental mistake to put a patient on 500 Calories as soon as the injections are started, as it seems to take about three injections before abnormally deposited fat begins to circulate and thus become available.

I know it's confusing but this is how it is usually interpreted... The first bolded statement up there refers to people who need to load for a week. Dr. S was referring to people who had been basically on starvation diets for months before starting hcg. As you have been in P3/4 for a while, you have NOT been starving yourself so you only need to do a normal load. This brings us to the second bolded part. Eating to capacity until receiving your "third injection". In Dr. S's day, there wasn't sublingual, just injections, so the book refers ONLY to injections. Dr. S is saying eating to capacity up until getting your third injection, which is typically the morning of the third day, and after which, starting the vlc diet. Most people on hhCG or sub-lingual take this to mean eating to capacity for 2 days, then starting the 500 calories on the third day right after your morning dose (which effectively means starting vlc on the third day since we normally don't eat breakfast). Does that help?

Also, I know you have your load all planned out but it is VERY carb heavy. Eating a lot of carbs will cause a much larger jump in weight than a more protein/fat load AND you may have issues with hunger and cravings your first week of P2. I would say have a few things you really really missed but focus more on fats than biscuits, buns, and oreos. YMMV though.

[cocoapeanut]

Yup, you haven't been on a starvation diet recently, so you shouldn't consider your general condition as "low." Just do the two loading days and start the VLCD on day 3, as usual.

Also, I know a lot of ladies on here like to keep their load days low carb/high fat, but I personally think some carbs are fine. Dr. S had his patients eating pastries and thick toast with butter and jam in addition to fatty meats. I think my own load days were high fat AND high carb, lol! Everyone is different though, so see how it goes. Have fun!

[sunday]

I agree with Shelby & Cocoa! I am so excited for you Berta!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I know it's confusing but this is how it is usually interpreted... The first bolded statement up there refers to people who need to load for a week. Dr. S was referring to people who had been basically on starvation diets for months before starting hcg. As you have been in P3/4 for a while, you have NOT been starving yourself so you only need to do a normal load. This brings us to the second bolded part. Eating to capacity until receiving your "third injection". In Dr. S's day, there wasn't sublingual, just injections, so the book refers ONLY to injections. Dr. S is saying eating to capacity up until getting your third injection, which is typically the morning of the third day, and after which, starting the vlc diet. Most people on hhCG or sub-lingual take this to mean eating to capacity for 2 days, then starting the 500 calories on the third day right after your morning dose (which effectively means starting vlc on the third day since we normally don't eat breakfast). Does that help?

Also, I know you have your load all planned out but it is VERY carb heavy. Eating a lot of carbs will cause a much larger jump in weight than a more protein/fat load AND you may have issues with hunger and cravings your first week of P2. I would say have a few things you really really missed but focus more on fats than biscuits, buns, and oreos. YMMV though.

Yes that helps.That is the way I thought it was but when I read that it confused me(I'm easily confused just ask Taryl) I will work on more fats less carb (I'll try anyway)

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Yup, you haven't been on a starvation diet recently, so you shouldn't consider your general condition as "low." Just do the two loading days and start the VLCD on day 3, as usual.

Also, I know a lot of ladies on here like to keep their load days low carb/high fat, but I personally think some carbs are fine. Dr. S had his patients eating pastries and thick toast with butter and jam in addition to fatty meats. I think my own load days were high fat AND high carb, lol! Everyone is different though, so see how it goes. Have fun!

Thanks Cocoa

Originally Posted by sunday

I agree with Shelby & Cocoa! I am so excited for you Berta!

HI Therethank you for your encouragement too.

I was down .4 today so still in my LDW and have had my first dose of RXHCG
So I am officially on PH2 again!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Berta48

I just recieved my Pounds and Inches book today and upon reading it this is what I read...This is confusing to me. Am I actually suppose to eat to capacity for one week Then it says 3rd injection.I'm doing sublingual so does that mean i have three load days or a week?
Sorry if this is a silly question but it confuses me.

I was to start my first RXHCG tomorrow and load for two days but now I don't know what to do.

Patients whose general condition is low, owing to excessive previous dieting, must eat to capacity for about one week before starting treatment, regardless of how much weight they may gain in the process. One cannot keep a patient comfortably on 500 Calories unless his normal fat reserves are reasonably well stocked. It is for this reason also that every case, even those that are actually gaining must eat to capacity of the most fattening food they can get down until they have had the third injection. It is a fundamental mistake to put a patient on 500 Calories as soon as the injections are started, as it seems to take about three injections before abnormally deposited fat begins to circulate and thus become available.



We distinguish between the first three injections, which we call “non-effective” as far as the loss of weight is concerned, and the subsequent injections given while the patient is dieting, which we call “effective”. The average loss of weight is calculated on the number of effective injections and from the weight reached on the day of the third injection which may be well above what it was two days earlier when the first injection was given.

That is for people who have been dieting. You have not! You have been on P3/P4. You just load for 2 days as usual. The week of loading also applies to anorexics--he treated them with hcg too.

Good luck!!

[Berta48]

oopsy

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

That is for people who have been dieting. You have not! You have been on P3/P4. You just load for 2 days as usual. The week of loading also applies to anorexics--he treated them with hcg too.

Good luck!!

Thanks Dawn
I finally figured it out.
I do VLCD for 3 days after LDW this time though right since I am doing the RX?

Did you finally get over all your illnesses?

[dawnyama]

Yes, after you finish the Rx hcg you have to wait 3 days (72 hours) after the last dose before starting P3.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

That is for people who have been dieting. You have not! You have been on P3/P4. You just load for 2 days as usual. The week of loading also applies to anorexics--he treated them with hcg too.

Good luck!!

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Yes, after you finish the Rx hcg you have to wait 3 days (72 hours) after the last dose before starting P3.

[dawnyama]

And please remember that it IS 3 egg whites and 1 whole egg!!! This last round you did you got it mixed up

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

And please remember that it IS 3 egg whites and 1 whole egg!!! This last round you did you got it mixed up

That isn't hard for me to do

[dawnyama]

It is best to stick to one thread Going and visiting all kinds of threads is mighty confusing. It was much easier when we were just a single thread because we all posted in one spot, but then again we had threads that were 100 pages long and it was impossible to find anything.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

It is best to stick to one thread Going and visiting all kinds of threads is mighty confusing. It was much easier when we were just a single thread because we all posted in one spot, but then again we had threads that were 100 pages long and it was impossible to find anything.