P3/P4 Simeons Protocol Week of 06/11/12

[Berta48]

Hi ladies
well I had a new experience tonight. We went to our Hyvee for a salad bar supper.
I had a bowl of chili (no beans) and a HUGE lettuce salad with FULL fat dressing( did you ladies catch that?)

Then had three strawberries about 1.8 of a wedge of watermelon, 1 slice of KIWI and then went for a brownie with icing.Well it was so sweet I scraped the icing off and ate 1/2 of the brownie.Now for me to say something is too sweet is a miracleDH wnated to know if I was feeling okay

Strange how going without the sugar can make you notice how sweet something really is!!!Never has happened to me before.

[minimonkey]

That's awesome, Berta! Funny how our tastes change, isn't it?

I decided to take the UP in up day seriously again today, and I ate quite a lot. I'm considering these first couple of up days a continuation of the refeeding -- lots of fat and protein, almost no carbs. I think the appetite suppression of ketosis is definitely kicking in -- I'm actually quite full at the moment -- meaning I probably ate more than I should have -- but this is a learning process, and I am not going to stress about it. After this, I will likely go to much more moderate up days, which should be pretty easy if I am not battling hunger all the time. I just thought that extending the refeed (on up days only) wasn't a bad idea this first week, given that I am only now getting my strength back.

Man, I HATE the weakness I get on p2 -- that is really a disturbing symptom. I don't quite buy Simeon's explanation of it, either --

I'm hoping tomorrow's down day is an easy one -- I'll be heading into the gym for workout number two tomorrow -- I'm sore today. It's funny, even with all the lifting and lugging of the last few months, I still got very sore from the super targeted exercise -- I guess I wasn't bending over with a straight back and lifting many boxes using solely my triceps...lol!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

That's awesome, Berta! Funny how our tastes change, isn't it?

I decided to take the UP in up day seriously again today, and I ate quite a lot. I'm considering these first couple of up days a continuation of the refeeding -- lots of fat and protein, almost no carbs. I think the appetite suppression of ketosis is definitely kicking in -- I'm actually quite full at the moment -- meaning I probably ate more than I should have -- but this is a learning process, and I am not going to stress about it. After this, I will likely go to much more moderate up days, which should be pretty easy if I am not battling hunger all the time. I just thought that extending the refeed (on up days only) wasn't a bad idea this first week, given that I am only now getting my strength back.

Man, I HATE the weakness I get on p2 -- that is really a disturbing symptom. I don't quite buy Simeon's explanation of it, either --

I'm hoping tomorrow's down day is an easy one -- I'll be heading into the gym for workout number two tomorrow -- I'm sore today. It's funny, even with all the lifting and lugging of the last few months, I still got very sore from the super targeted exercise -- I guess I wasn't bending over with a straight back and lifting many boxes using solely my triceps...lol!

Yes it is but that's a good thing especially for me since I have dabetes2.
I am looking for a gain tomorrow but not from carbs just ate alot.But we will see. Mostly lettuce with meat, veggies and full fat dressing.

I am not able to exercise since my bones and joints won't let me.
I wish I were young again. But I have to just do what I can which is not much. I can walk but it has to be slow and then I limp

I didn't get weak but boy was I hungry. ALL the time

[dbunny]

Hey all, Checking in to keep myself in line. This funeral has been horrid, but I see in my niece how strong and amazing she is. I am so proud of her. Her boyfriend's parents weren't really in the picture so much, so she and his sister have planned a benefit walk, most of the funeral details, and a benefit dance, These two girls are only 18 years old and have given a him a tribute fit for a prince. Makes me cry thinking about it.
Keeping on track in this unexpected P3, although I don't have a scale and have already hit the almonds (quick and portable snack these last few days). I think I will stay here in P3 for a full 3 weeks, then cycle back into P2. Hope it goes OK!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Berta - don't be afraid of fat, especially good fat! Remember that certain vitamins actually cannot be absorbed by your body without fat, and some sources of fat are the best sources of certain vitamins. Also think about how we lived in ancient times eating mostly meat..if fat were bad, we would have already died out, haha. The sad reality is that the government makes a high carb diet the cheapest way to eat, so that it what it's going to recommend. Keep in mind that the American Heart Association and the American Dietetic Association are sponsored by companies such as Coke and Pepsi, Mars Candy, General Mills cereal, and SoyJoy...no sensible association will talk badly about the people giving them money!

If you want to read, I actually suggest Gary Taubes' other book, Why We Get Fat. It's basically a shorter and easier version of Good Calories, Bad Calories, and is an excellent place to start. I've read both and give them a thumbs up! Also watch Fathead, which you can probably stream online. It's awesome.

I watched Fat Head. Made me want to go to McDonalds and get a
BIG MAC! Wonder why Shebly said she wouldn't recommend I eat a BIG Mac when I load?

[shelbyla]

I just don't recommend eating a lot of processed food, fast food or not. I've found my most successful loads have been low carb/high fat. Plus, whenever I think about McD's, I always think that I could get a pound of ground sirloin at the store for the same price, have 2 cheeseburgers EXACTLY the way I want them (extra cheese, sf ketchup, mayo, tapatio sauce, mustard, no bun) for the same price or lower AND have leftovers... By the time I get through thinking how good that would taste, the thought of a Big Mac makes me want to ... Now, Baskin Robbins or or sushi or Chinese food--that's another story entirely...

[shelbyla]

Btw, just broke up with The Dude--at least we are taking a "break". Funny thing is in the past it would have sent me running for the comfort food. This time, it made me STOP eating...and the thought of food right now...meh. Think I will go to bed and snuggle with my new baby kitty whose name coincidentally is Jinx...

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by Berta48

I watched Fat Head. Made me want to go to McDonalds and get a BIG MAC! Wonder why Shebly said she wouldn't recommend I eat a BIG Mac when I load?

She's probably against stuff like high fructose corn syrup, azodicarbonamides, and propylene glycol alginate. Here's what's in a Big Mac (all information taken directly from McDonald's Ingredients PDF available on website):

Big Mac:
100% Beef Patty, Big Mac Bun, Pasteurized Process American Cheese, Big Mac Sauce, Lettuce, Pickle Slices, Onions

Big Mac Bun:
Enriched flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, high fructose corn syrup and/or sugar, soybean oil and/or canola oil, contains 2% or less of the following: salt, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, wheat gluten, ammonium sulfate, ammonium chloride, dough conditioners (may contain one or more of the following: sodium stearoyl lactylate, datem, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, mono- and diglycerides, ethoxylated monoglycerides, monocalcium phosphate, enzymes, guar gum, calcium peroxide), calcium propionate and/or sodium propionate (preservatives), soy lecithin, sesame seed.

CONTAINS: WHEAT AND SOY LECITHIN.

Big Mac Sauce:
Soybean oil, pickle relish [diced pickles, high fructose corn syrup, sugar, vinegar, corn syrup, salt, calcium chloride, xanthan gum, potassium sorbate (preservative), spice extractives, polysorbate 80], distilled vinegar, water, egg yolks, high fructose corn syrup, onion powder, mustard seed, salt, spices, propylene glycol alginate, sodium benzoate (preservative), mustard bran, sugar, garlic powder, vegetable protein (hydrolyzed corn, soy and wheat), caramel color, extractives of paprika, soy lecithin, turmeric (color), calcium disodium EDTA (protect flavor).

CONTAINS: WHEAT, EGG AND SOY.

...Still want one? Reading the PDF kills any McDonald's desires for me pretty much every time.

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Now, Baskin Robbins or or sushi or Chinese food--that's another story entirely...

Nomnomnomnom!! I miss ice cream But I'm making myself as few desserts as possible. So far, it's been okay. Fruit and iced coffee w/ cream and stevia taste like dessert enough to me for now! (Although I'm still tempted to make something chocolatey..the chocolate monster is quietly raging somewhere in me, hehehe)

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Btw, just broke up with The Dude--at least we are taking a "break". Funny thing is in the past it would have sent me running for the comfort food. This time, it made me STOP eating...and the thought of food right now...meh. Think I will go to bed and snuggle with my new baby kitty whose name coincidentally is Jinx...

Aw honey I'm sorry. Treat yourself well. Hugs.

Originally Posted by dbunny

Hey all, Checking in to keep myself in line. This funeral has been horrid, but I see in my niece how strong and amazing she is. I am so proud of her. Her boyfriend's parents weren't really in the picture so much, so she and his sister have planned a benefit walk, most of the funeral details, and a benefit dance, These two girls are only 18 years old and have given a him a tribute fit for a prince. Makes me cry thinking about it.
Keeping on track in this unexpected P3, although I don't have a scale and have already hit the almonds (quick and portable snack these last few days). I think I will stay here in P3 for a full 3 weeks, then cycle back into P2. Hope it goes OK!

Sorry for your loss, I so know how you feel.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I just don't recommend eating a lot of processed food, fast food or not. I've found my most successful loads have been low carb/high fat. Plus, whenever I think about McD's, I always think that I could get a pound of ground sirloin at the store for the same price, have 2 cheeseburgers EXACTLY the way I want them (extra cheese, sf ketchup, mayo, tapatio sauce, mustard, no bun) for the same price or lower AND have leftovers... By the time I get through thinking how good that would taste, the thought of a Big Mac makes me want to ... Now, Baskin Robbins or or sushi or Chinese food--that's another story entirely...

SUSHI You and mu DD would get along just fine!!! I hardly ever eat at fast food. We do like Subway (toasted) But rarely eat there either.If we eat out it is at one of our local restaurants. which there are't really very many here.We usually eat out after church every Sunday it's a nice treat love it!

My favorite is the Lake restauratn here. DH is Nurahachi(mongolian food)OR Mexican. I am a meat and tater person.(of course minus the taters now)


I was up 1.4 today I can't figure out why I gain everyday if I don't do a CD? I did eat 2days ago a piece of toast but other than that I don't know.So frustrating.

I did have one sugar free popcicle last night but I wouldn't think that would do it.Only 30 calories?

SOOO another egg CD for me today I loose best on those it seems. I feel like by the end of the day but it works (for me)

[shelbyla]

Berta, are you OVER your window or are you just doing cd's to try and stay at LDW? Just wondering...

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Berta, are you OVER your window or are you just doing cd's to try and stay at LDW? Just wondering...

I am .4 in my window. ( 256.6 LDW) But if I don't do a CD I will be over tomorrow.It has been this way ever since I went off PH2. But I plan on going back toPH2 Monday,we've had a change in dates for going to Wichita.SO If I load tomorrow and Sunday I will be on VLC for 25 days.
We will leave on the July 13th.

How do I count that as an interuption? I haven't done that before.Because I didn't know we could. I will be home the 19th. So do I jus go back to the VLC then and continue the HCG and do I stop the HCg on the 13th or 12th?

[coffeecups]

I have just finished my R2P2 on June 11th (72hrs was up June 12th) ... Started P3 - I'm struggling with the P3 mentality and not really sure why ... I have an appetite, but feel like I just can't get it right!

June 12th - Breakfast I cooked 2 sausages and some egg whites, and I added a 1pce of hard sliced cheese (you can buy this at COSTCO). I had cucumber and Roasted chicken with just salt & pepper for lunch. Supper I had MORE chicken and I can't remember what I had for a veggie. I stopped in at the grocery store and ended up in the Gluten Free isle and found coconut bars ... and yes, I FREAKING over indulged ... I had 2. Was there sugar - I would assume so, but I couldn't find any on the package. So the next morning I was UP 3lbs.
June 13th - Breakfast I had Egg Whites, cut up some left over sausage and 1pce of hard sliced cheese in it. Lunch: I had roast chicken (left over from the day before) - more cucumber and an apple. Supper: I had Roast Chicken and nothing else - um yeah had another coconut bar ... I guess I did NOT learn from the day before *sigh*
June14th - I didn't eat breakfast this morning because my stomach was feeling off - just feeling on the queasy side ... about 10am I was hungry so I had my hamburger and onions. Lunch I went to the grocery store and bought their rotisserie chicken, fresh strawberries and some veggies (cauliflower, broccoli, celery, carrots, peas (I left the carrots & peas), and some grape tomatoes). For supper I cooked salmon and put a slice of cream cheese on it and then boiled cauliflower. I mashed the cauliflower up and added cream cheese & REAL butter to it.
June 15th - I'm down .2lbs this morning - Breakfast: Egg Whites and 3pcs of Bacon. I ate my porkchop as I was hungry at 10am ... I will head out here and get some chicken for lunch.

Total weight lost in 2rounds is 45lbs (each round 40days with 72hrs) and a total of 29inches. Yes, I'm VERY happy with this - now I just need to get my head WRAPPED around eating P3 RIGHT - LOL

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Berta48

I am .4 in my window. ( 256.6 LDW) But if I don't do a CD I will be over tomorrow.It has been this way ever since I went off PH2. But I plan on going back toPH2 Monday,we've had a change in dates for going to Wichita.SO If I load tomorrow and Sunday I will be on VLC for 25 days.
We will leave on the July 13th.

How do I count that as an interuption? I haven't done that before.Because I didn't know we could. I will be home the 19th. So do I jus go back to the VLC then and continue the HCG and do I stop the HCg on the 13th or 12th?

A couple of things... Cd's are not recommended when you are not over your window because they can become less effective that way. "Clean eating" or P2++ is recommended instead. But obviously you should do as you like. YMMV.

On the interruption, you would go off the hCG for 3 days before your trip (I am assuming here that you would want to be in P3 for the 13th???), come back, and start the hCG and the VLCD on the same day. So it would look like this...

June 16th-June 17th - Loading WITH hCG (2 days)
June 18th-July 9th - P2 (22 days)
July 11th-July 12th - VLCDs with no hCG (3 days because of the rx)
July 13th-July 19th - P3 (7 days--you know that you cannot eat P4 here right?)
July 20th-??? - P2 cont'd (you can stop at any time because you already have the 21 days minimum in although with a break of a week I might do 21 more...)

Hope that is helpful.

Originally Posted by coffeecups

June 12th - Breakfast I cooked 2 sausages and some egg whites, and I added a 1pce of hard sliced cheese (you can buy this at COSTCO). I had cucumber and Roasted chicken with just salt & pepper for lunch. Supper I had MORE chicken and I can't remember what I had for a veggie. I stopped in at the grocery store and ended up in the Gluten Free isle and found coconut bars ... and yes, I FREAKING over indulged ... I had 2. Was there sugar - I would assume so, but I couldn't find any on the package. So the next morning I was UP 3lbs.
Not at all uncommon to gain 3 pounds overnight. You are "filling up" your digestive track with food again.

June 13th - Breakfast I had Egg Whites, cut up some left over sausage and 1pce of hard sliced cheese in it. Lunch: I had roast chicken (left over from the day before) - more cucumber and an apple. Supper: I had Roast Chicken and nothing else - um yeah had another coconut bar ... I guess I did NOT learn from the day before *sigh*
June14th - I didn't eat breakfast this morning because my stomach was feeling off - just feeling on the queasy side ... about 10am I was hungry so I had my hamburger and onions. Lunch I went to the grocery store and bought their rotisserie chicken, fresh strawberries and some veggies (cauliflower, broccoli, celery, carrots, peas (I left the carrots & peas), and some grape tomatoes). For supper I cooked salmon and put a slice of cream cheese on it and then boiled cauliflower. I mashed the cauliflower up and added cream cheese & REAL butter to it.
June 15th - I'm down .2lbs this morning - Breakfast: Egg Whites and 3pcs of Bacon. I ate my porkchop as I was hungry at 10am ... I will head out here and get some chicken for lunch.

Total weight lost in 2rounds is 45lbs (each round 40days with 72hrs) and a total of 29inches. Yes, I'm VERY happy with this - now I just need to get my head WRAPPED around eating P3 RIGHT - LOL

Your menu looks pretty good to me although you should probably track calories for a little while to make sure you are getting enough in. Most people avoid nuts, dairy, processed foods and coconut for at least a week or two because if you have ANY sensitivities to them, they can cause out of control gains. YMMV there.

[cocoapeanut]

Shelby - I'm glad you're not comforting yourself with food this time around..I feel like the resulting self-guilt just ends up compounding the problem. Many your way!

Dbunny - I am so sorry for the loss. But the girls seem like they put a lot of work into making sure the funeral and everything went smoothly. I understand being in that position..my ex-bf committed suicide out of nowhere a couple of years ago and his mom was in such a state of shock and depression that she couldn't do much, understandably. My best girlfriend and I were the ones pulling all-nighters to put pictures and slideshows together and organized everything. It was so sad, but I think keeping busy helped us in a weird way. Funerals are rough, so I'm proud of you for keeping to the P3 plan! to you too!!

Berta - You may want to hold off on doing a CD unless you are out of your window that morning. If you rely on the egg CD too much, it may stop working! If you are still in your window but worried, you can try sticking to P2 foods for a day or two to see if you can come back down a little bit (obviously you can mix veggies and eat more than 500 calories' worth if you want ). Some people find that this helps them. You can also try a couple of days of Atkins Induction eating.

That being said...I'm actually not sure why you're worrying about CDs. Aren't you in P4 now?

If you aren't stuffing yourself and you're eating pretty clean, unprocessed food, your weight gains may be TOM, water retention, inflammation from certain foods that bother you, or it could simply mean that you haven't stabilized that weight yet. But since you're in P4 and you're planning on going back into P2 Monday...why stress yourself out so much over the weight gain? Just eat!! You're about to lose it anyway!

[coffeecups]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Your menu looks pretty good to me although you should probably track calories for a little while to make sure you are getting enough in. Most people avoid nuts, dairy, processed foods and coconut for at least a week or two because if you have ANY sensitivities to them, they can cause out of control gains. YMMV there.

Okay good to KNOW ... I will be SURE to stay away from the coconut ... lol ... those bars were FAR to yummy for right now ... lol. I know one thing I will be having those over ANY chocolate bar or chips ...

I'm getting used to the lingo here ... I'm wondering what YMMV means

Thanks for your response

[cocoapeanut]

Oh, right, stuff about me - like Berta, I also find myself within window by 0.4. Not stressing about it too much. I ate slightly too much last night and just felt heavy, so I figured I may gain..hehe. Tonight I won't be eating so much so late at night! But I'm keeping it clean because having to do a steak day on Father's Day with my dad could get weird I've got a million things to do before my move (including remote computer work) and I can feel myself getting a bit stressed but I gotta keep it calm!

Had a salad w/ spinach, mushrooms, peppers, onions, HB eggs, EVOO + balsamic, and a spoonful of guac for lunch - yum! Now sitting in a coffee shop with iced coffee + cream and stevia. Feeling full, dinner tonight will likely be either light or nonexistent. But I'm in downtown Chicago probably for the last time in a while so I figured I'd enjoy!

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by coffeecups

I'm getting used to the lingo here ... I'm wondering what YMMV means

YMMV = your mileage may vary. Basically, what works for one person may not work for another!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by coffeecups

Okay good to KNOW ... I will be SURE to stay away from the coconut ... lol ... those bars were FAR to yummy for right now ... lol. I know one thing I will be having those over ANY chocolate bar or chips ...

I'm getting used to the lingo here ... I'm wondering what YMMV means

Thanks for your response

I forgot to say WELCOME! YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary

And Miss Cocoapeanut up there taught me how to make a homemade coconut thing (that I am currently tweaking all to heck and back! ). It is the BOMB (diggity), super easy, and I will bet 10 times healthier and tastier than what you bought! Latest version: about 20oz flaked coconut (unsweetened), 4oz sliced almonds, 1/2c chopped pecans, a few pistachios (because I have them on hand). Lay all on a foil lined jelly roll pan. Spray with pan spray and toast in the oven at 375, tossing occasionally, until brown and crispy (about 20-30 minutes, tossing every 10 mins or so). Remove from oven and spray again with pan spray. Sprinkle liberally with 3 packets of sweetener, 1/2t salt (or to taste) and liberal amounts of cinnamon and cocoa powder. Add 2T of peanut flour. Toss again. Cool and bag. Like granola without the oats! Yummers! (thanks Cocoa! you rock! )

[cocoapeanut]

You are so welcome, Shelby!! That mix sounds awesome. I'm currently staying away from nuts, but I'll be all over it soon enough! And I'll be doing my own tweaks too, yay! But since I don't do the nuts, I don't think of anything to mix coconut with, so I just get lazy when I decide to eat coconut and I end up eating coconut butter out of the jar

[shelbyla]

Btw -- I know you were all waiting with bated breath...YES, the scale WAS messing with me yesterday! 143 this morning. New batteries will be installed tonight...

Doing ok today after yesterday's drama with The Dude. Heart is sore and I didn't sleep well, more because of baby kitty in my hair, under my chin, and generally using ME as a midnight play toy. I'll be in much better shape after a good night's sleep, a chiropractic adjustment tomorrow, and a massage Sunday.

This break is better for ME. He and I have different ideas about what constitutes a relationship. Neither one is right or wrong--they are just different and it's unfair to myself to settle for something that isn't giving me what I need. I'll be ok--I always learn a little more each time about what I need and don't need, what I really want, and what I can and can't live without. And hey, the time is getting shorter for these lessons! By the time I'm 90 I'll probably meet my soulmate!

Hope everyone has a happy Friday and a great weekend...

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

A couple of things... Cd's are not recommended when you are not over your window because they can become less effective that way. "Clean eating" or P2++ is recommended instead. But obviously you should do as you like. YMMV.

On the interruption, you would go off the hCG for 3 days before your trip (I am assuming here that you would want to be in P3 for the 13th???), come back, and start the hCG and the VLCD on the same day. So it would look like this...

June 16th-June 17th - Loading WITH hCG (2 days)
June 18th-July 9th - P2 (22 days)
July 11th-July 12th - VLCDs with no hCG (3 days because of the rx)
July 13th-July 19th - P3 (7 days--you know that you cannot eat P4 here right?)
July 20th-??? - P2 cont'd (you can stop at any time because you already have the 21 days minimum in although with a break of a week I might do 21 more...)

Hope that is helpful.



Your menu looks pretty good to me although you should probably track calories for a little while to make sure you are getting enough in. Most people avoid nuts, dairy, processed foods and coconut for at least a week or two because if you have ANY sensitivities to them, they can cause out of control gains. YMMV there.

Thanks Shelby
Yes I know I would be on PH3 eating. But that's better then Ph2 while away from homeThat helps bunches.I printed it out

If I went to PH3 the 13th... wouldn't I stop HCG on the 10th?10,11,&12 would be the 3 days? The 10th would be 25(counting the HCG on 2 load days)but I wanted to try for 40 days this round.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Shelby - I'm glad you're not comforting yourself with food this time around..I feel like the resulting self-guilt just ends up compounding the problem. Many your way!

Dbunny - I am so sorry for the loss. But the girls seem like they put a lot of work into making sure the funeral and everything went smoothly. I understand being in that position..my ex-bf committed suicide out of nowhere a couple of years ago and his mom was in such a state of shock and depression that she couldn't do much, understandably. My best girlfriend and I were the ones pulling all-nighters to put pictures and slideshows together and organized everything. It was so sad, but I think keeping busy helped us in a weird way. Funerals are rough, so I'm proud of you for keeping to the P3 plan! to you too!!

Berta - You may want to hold off on doing a CD unless you are out of your window that morning. If you rely on the egg CD too much, it may stop working! If you are still in your window but worried, you can try sticking to P2 foods for a day or two to see if you can come back down a little bit (obviously you can mix veggies and eat more than 500 calories' worth if you want ). Some people find that this helps them. You can also try a couple of days of Atkins Induction eating.

That being said...I'm actually not sure why you're worrying about CDs. Aren't you in P4 now?

If you aren't stuffing yourself and you're eating pretty clean, unprocessed food, your weight gains may be TOM, water retention, inflammation from certain foods that bother you, or it could simply mean that you haven't stabilized that weight yet. But since you're in P4 and you're planning on going back into P2 Monday...why stress yourself out so much over the weight gain? Just eat!! You're about to lose it anyway!

Cocoa
I am not stressed about it I just don't want to gain it back. Yes I am on PH4....I'm 63 yrs old TOM is no more since I was 30. I am eating clean. Had toast 3times and popcorn once since starting PH3. Threw away the pork rinds. Strawberries and apples have been my fruit.( I did have one slice of kiwi and about five chunks of pineapple and one sliver of watermelon at a buffet last night.)

I just have not stabilized my weight at all.Eating normal servings.So I don't know why I can not stabilize.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Thanks Shelby
Yes I know I would be on PH3 eating. But that's better then Ph2 while away from homeThat helps bunches.I printed it out

If I went to PH3 the 13th... wouldn't I stop HCG on the 10th?10,11,&12 would be the 3 days? The 10th would be 25(counting the HCG on 2 load days)but I wanted to try for 40 days this round.

Yes you are completely right, 10th, 11th, 12th would be your vlcd with no hCG.

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Cocoa
I am not stressed about it I just don't want to gain it back. Yes I am on PH4....I'm 63 yrs old TOM is no more since I was 30. I am eating clean. Had toast 3times and popcorn once since starting PH3. Threw away the pork rinds. Strawberries and apples have been my fruit.( I did have one slice of kiwi and about five chunks of pineapple and one sliver of watermelon at a buffet last night.)

I just have not stabilized my weight at all.Eating normal servings.So I don't know why I can not stabilize.

If I recall correctly, your first round went a little weirdly. Perhaps you will have more luck this time around

[coffeecups]

I also purchased my self a 'single' ZOKU ... I also bought the recipe book that they have ... mmmmmmmmmm so many yummy HEALTHY frozen pops that you can make with REAL fruit . I noticed a recipe with Coconut Milk in there ... I'm just waiting until I'm well into P3 before I start making some of these frozen pops.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Yes you are completely right, 10th, 11th, 12th would be your vlcd with no hCG.

I actually finally got something right?

Just went shopping for Load days
Hard salami,stuffed jalepeno peppers w/cheddar cheese, cream cheese (for the cream cheese muffin)BBQ wings, bacon,Ranch dressingLight( I don't like the full fat kind)and double stuffed oreo cookies and Grand Biscuits (for sausage gravy) and butter for the biscuits I don't put gravy on.How does that sound?


I got my Dr.S> Pound & inches book in today so hopefully I won't have to bother anyone any more with the questions.
I will give my QUESTION QUEEN CROWN to someone else

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

If I recall correctly, your first round went a little weirdly. Perhaps you will have more luck this time around

Yes.... I could not keep my load days down.Hope it goes better this time too

Originally Posted by coffeecups

I also purchased my self a 'single' ZOKU ... I also bought the recipe book that they have ... mmmmmmmmmm so many yummy HEALTHY frozen pops that you can make with REAL fruit . I noticed a recipe with Coconut Milk in there ... I'm just waiting until I'm well into P3 before I start making some of these frozen pops.

Are you gonna share those recipes?

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I'll be ok--I always learn a little more each time about what I need and don't need, what I really want, and what I can and can't live without. And hey, the time is getting shorter for these lessons! By the time I'm 90 I'll probably meet my soulmate!

Hahaha! I'd rather spend my life learning and meet my soulmate at 90 than marry the completely wrong person at 25 and spend my life trying to forget...just sayin'

ya girl!

[dawnyama]

Berta--I asked this before, but what book are you referring to? You don't have to buy Dr Simeon's book. It is online and you can print it out yourself. He wanted everyone to be able to access it so he didn't write a book. Who is the author of the book you have? And the name of the book?

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Berta--I asked this before, but what book are you referring to? You don't have to buy Dr Simeon's book. It is online and you can print it out yourself. He wanted everyone to be able to access it so he didn't write a book. Who is the author of the book you have? And the name of the book?

Pounds & Inches The Original HCG Diet Protocol By Dr. A.T.W. Simeons.

That is what the front cover has on it.On the back it his Photo and telling about him.

I have printed it out myself... but I felt if I had a book it would be easier than all those printer papers.