P3/P4 Simeons Protocol Week of 06/11/12

[julieboolie]

Sorry if I'm tempting you guys w/ details of my refeeding experiment!! It's such fun!! I'll try to minimize the details as I know I'll be back to controlled eating soon enough!!

Cocoa- Since you asked I had homemade strawberry cake w/ my homemade cream cheese buttercream icing (dd's request) last night (and finished the last piece for bfast today ) It was ridiculously good. I love this whole refeed thing!! I dream of actually living a little once I'm "done". Bummer on the CD. But, you've done so well, one CD does not a lifestyle make!! RRARFing - it does look silly! - is fun!! good for you celebrating!! And what a good idea!! I'm not a roller coaster fan, but like watching others enjoy them . Enjoy the new job too!

Lara- KFC, hmmm. May need to hit that this weekend . There's one in Newport Beach I used to visit in college. That may fit in nicely w/ my weekend plans . Hope your modified (or not) CD goes well!!

I'm off to Kohl's (30% off!!), then Sprouts and Costco. The house is empty!!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Nice loss from the egg CD! Funny, June 23rd is my first official day of P4

I am ready for PH 2 It seems I do better when I am restrictedBUT it doesn't take long before I want back on PH3 Never satisfied

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

I dont think i can send or receive pms at all. You can try to see.

Never done the split cd. I like the added torture and anticipation of waiting all day and becoming ravenous. lol I dont even want the tomato I think I will skip it.

Omg thats one of my forbidden things kfc... mmm

No I tried just to pm you just to see. I am so sorry... guess we have to just chat at you this way!! I would thnk they could at least give you a probation period

You don't have to have a tomato you can have a apple instead...that is what I did last time... I lost 2 lbs next day
Kentucky Fried Chicken is Awesome.Haven't had any in a loooooooong time.
I may have to have a few pieces before going to PH2 again

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Kentucky Fried Chicken is Awesome.Haven't had any in a loooooooong time.
I may have to have a few pieces before going to PH2 again

Don't forget to LOAD, Berta! At least now your body likes fat--you shouldn't be so sick! KFC is great for loading although I bet you could find a higher quality fried chicken if you tried... I live in the land of fried chicken (or should I say the "'hood" of fried chicken?) so maybe it's just easy for me...

[LaraSuzz]

Popeyes chicken is good too!

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Popeyes chicken is good too!

I was just going to suggest Popeye's, too

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Don't forget to LOAD, Berta! At least now your body likes fat--you shouldn't be so sick! KFC is great for loading although I bet you could find a higher quality fried chicken if you tried... I live in the land of fried chicken (or should I say the "'hood" of fried chicken?) so maybe it's just easy for me...

Shelby
I am not sick. It's that I feel sick to my tummy when I eat high fat Maybe I eat to much of it?

Don't worry I won't forget to load That is why I am starting on a Sat so I can eat out on Sunday and enjoy it! I'll do the full meal deal super sized
And Saturday for my 1st load day...we have a coupon buy one get one free BIG MAC.I haven't had one of those forever.I hardly ever eat fast food.

We live in a small college community(Truman University) only one fried chicken place and that's KFC!Some of out restaurants serve chicken though.

Got a quesiton for you.
DH is concerned that all the fat I eat will clog my arteries. Is that true?He is really wanting me to find something else.But I told him I just purchased 14vials of RX Hucog 5000 IU HCG over $200.00 so I had to use it up.(which is true)He did know I bought it and he didn't say anything at the time.MEN

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Shelby
I am not sick. It's that I feel sick to my tummy when I eat high fat Maybe I eat to much of it?

Got a quesiton for you.
DH is concerned that all the fat I eat will clog my arteries. Is that true?He is really wanting me to find something else.But I told him I just purchased 14vials of RX Hucog 5000 IU HCG over $200.00 so I had to use it up.(which is true)He did know I bought it and he didn't say anything at the time.MEN

I think Shelby meant that you probably won't get sick and throw up on your loading days like you did last time.

Also, I'm not her, but I can answer your fat question with an excerpt from the MDA blog:

“Isn’t all that fat gonna glom onto your arteries?”
That isn’t how it works. Atherosclerosis is caused by oxidized LDL particles penetrating the arterial wall, inciting inflammation, and damaging the arterial tissue. It is not caused by fat mechanistically attaching itself to the surface of the arteries like fat in a kitchen pipe. Also, it’s not like you eat some butter and that butter gets directed straight into your bloodstream. Your blood doesn’t have oil slicks running through it, or congealed droplets of grease gumming up the passageways. You are the product of millions upon millions of years of evolution, and I think our bodies can do better than trying to ape modern plumbing.

So basically..no, fat won't clog up your arteries. We are naturally designed to get the majority of our energy from fat..which is why we store it so easily! The idea of fat causing atherosclerosis has persisted for a long time because it seems to make sense in our minds. However, just because something SOUNDS true, doesn't mean it IS.

[minimonkey]

Thanks for being so welcoming about me posting my experiments -- I need a support group and all my regular threads have died That said, I am glad to have this one

The refeed treated me well -- today is a down day, and I feel fine about it -- not ravenous, not weak -- this is how it should be.

I am dealing with one of the most spectacular skin breakouts ever, though -- this happens every time I cleanse, but it hit late this time -- man, I want to put a bag over my head for about 2 weeks! Maybe if I do that, I should also wander around growling RAARF! RAARF! That should get me a solo seat on the bus, in any event!

I am worried about my mom -- she's not answering her phone (for the last three days), which is a bit unlike her. She's had some health problems this year (shingles, and then some lingering pain that might have been gallbladder related, though the docs didn't take it very seriously...) and I'm getting genuinely concerned. She called me a couple of times about a week ago, and I took a couple of days to call back, and now I can't reach her.

I think my roommate and I are going to get in the car and just drive down to her place....it's only about an hour away, if I get a ride -- I'm probably over-reacting, but better safe than sorry, as they say.... but the thought of anything being seriously wrong definitely freaks me out! My mom is almost 80, and has heart problems... and you get the picture.... I'm freaked.

[cocoapeanut]

Mini - I'm strongly hoping that everything is okay with your mom! That would freak me out big-time. Chances are you'll have to get yourself down there only to give her the old "You had me worried sick!" deal, but it's much better to investigate and know for sure.

On a happier note, I just imagined you on a bus, growling RRARF, with a bag over your head, and everyone sitting as far away from you as possible..and loled I like to experiment as well, so please do post yours!

[Berta48]

Cocoa
I found this article.Kinda scares me thinking of how I eat when I load and already being so fat.Then eating butter and whipping cream etc. etc.


What Foods Cause Blocked Arteries? Aug 18, 2011 | By Nancy Clarke Nancy Clarke began writing in 1988 after achieving her Bachelor of Arts in English and has edited books on medicine, diet, senior care and other health topics. Her related affiliations include work for the American Medical Association and Oregon Health Plan.

Eating too much of certain foods can harm you blood vessels and cause dangerous blockages. In healthy arteries, ample interior space allows for normal volumes of blood to flow throughout your body to maintain cellular metabolism. When sodium or solid fats cause blood volume or blood pressure to increase or arteries to narrow, residue can build and bleeding and clotting can occur, effectively blocking your arteries. Blood flow may steadily decrease, causing organ failure, heart attack or stroke. To reduce your health risks, keep your weight in check and limit foods that may lead to blocked arteries.

High-Calorie Foods
Soda, alcohol and refined grain foods, such as white bread, may contribute to arterial blockage. Being overweight puts stress on your blood vessels, and too many high-calorie foods can cause weight gain. Many foods that are high in sodium and solid fats are also high in calories, which can cause you to gain weight, a major risk factor for atherosclerosis, or blocked arteries. Avoid refined grains and sugar-sweetened and alcoholic beverages to help manage or reduce your weight.
Foods High in Sodium
Many fast foods and other commercially processed foods and shellfish, including submarine sandwiches, canned vegetables and crab, have high sodium content. The greater your sodium intake, the greater your blood pressure can be. Sodium intake is also linked to calorie intake, so reducing the amount of salty foods that you consume can help to control two risk factors for blocked arteries: your weight and your blood pressure. Other high-sodium foods include cured meats, cheeses, soy sauce and other condiments.
Fatty Foods
The saturated and trans fats in foods such as fatty cuts of meat, whole milk and stick margarine can raise your low-density lipoprotein, or bad, blood cholesterol, another risk factor for blocked arteries. Milkshakes, beef and pork ribs and hamburgers are all rich in saturated fat. Commercial fried and baked goods, such as doughnuts and cookies, as well as solid margarine, may contain trans fats.
High-Cholesterol Foods
The dietary cholesterol in large amounts in eggs, shellfish and fatty meats also raises your LDL blood cholesterol, encouraging arterial blockage. Liver, shrimp and fried chicken are among high-cholesterol foods that can harm your health.



Read more: What Foods Cause Blocked Arteries? | LIVESTRONG.COM

[shelbyla]

Berta - Cocoa answered you very well above. If you want to watch something entertaining that describes how arteries REALLY get clogged, rent or buy the movie Fathead. Basically, the current logic is COMPLETE BS!!!!! Eating fat does not make you fat. My diet is approximately 55-75% of my calories from fat. My blood lipid levels (cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.) are all superb. The ONLY time my cholesterol was high was when I was eating lots of white sugar and flour.

People like the person you quoted above (who is has a Bachelor of Arts in English for crikey's sake!!!!! Medicine? Um NOT! She is an ENGLISH major!!!! Grrrrr!!!!) really really upset me (can ya tell? ) because they just repeat what they have heard and what the ADA recommends. And here is the kicker...what they have heard is based COMPLETELY on a SINGLE poor scientific "study" (and I use the term loosely!) BY A DUDE WHO WAS BUDDIES WITH PRESIDENTS EISENHOWER AND JOHNSON AND GOT HIMSELF APPOINTED AS THE FIRST HEAD OF THE AMA. And they didn't check or confirm any of the results of his study--they just took his word for it. His name was Ancel Keys. Google it--you'll see what I mean. And PRESTO--now we are all fat. (Btw, if I remember correctly, Eisenhower followed this guy's "diet" and died of clogged arteries and a heart attack shortly thereafter.)

The obesity epidemic is a worldwide problem but did we have these problems in the '50's when people were all eating sticks of butter and drinking whole milk? No, we did not. Did we have problems when we were frying things in lard and eating beef and bacon 4-5 times per week. No. We ONLY got started getting fat when the government decided they needed to tell us to eat 12 servings of grain per day and eat chicken breast and lean turkey.

Seriously, you can choose to eat what you want (and I do not recommend KFC or Big Macs) but as far as HOW we got fat--honey, it wasn't fat that made us fat. It was white pasta. And rice. And bread. And frozen dinners. And fat-free cookies. And soda. And candy bars. You go back to eating that stuff on any sort of a regular basis, and you WILL gain it back. But it wasn't butter. Or coconut oil. Or steak. Or bacon. Not full-fat yogurt. Or cheese. Or avocados. Don't be scared of them--please please!

I'll get off my soapbox now but I would seriously encourage you to read Good Calories Bad Calories (if you can) or if not, rent Fathead.

[shelbyla]

Mini - for you. Hope everything is ok with your mom.

(also laughing about the bag over the head/rrarf thing...I guess if I ever see anything like that in San Fran, I'll know where it started... )

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Mini - for you. Hope everything is ok with your mom.

(also laughing about the bag over the head/rrarf thing...I guess if I ever see anything like that in San Fran, I'll know where it started... )

shelbyla

I have been a LC'er forever it seems. This is exactly how I try to explain to friends and family. Makes you wonder when society is going to finally understand

my mom comes from a large family from the south... they work their farms and live off of their farms...i.e. Milk butter beef pork lard cream vegetables excetera...you name it... they ate it... the amazing thing is all of her relatives live to be 90 and 100 years old... the women are all heavy set and overweight... but have no major health problems... The men work until old age...

Society needs to get back to the way we use to live... get away from all this processed unhealthy food

Sorry... guess I was on a soapbox for a minute, too...lol

Angela in TX

[C'Marie]

LURKING

(Berta-FatHead is a great movie, very entertaining/educational and available on NetFlix)

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Berta - Cocoa answered you very well above. If you want to watch something entertaining that describes how arteries REALLY get clogged, rent or buy the movie Fathead. Basically, the current logic is COMPLETE BS!!!!! Eating fat does not make you fat. My diet is approximately 55-75% of my calories from fat. My blood lipid levels (cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.) are all superb. The ONLY time my cholesterol was high was when I was eating lots of white sugar and flour.

People like the person you quoted above (who is has a Bachelor of Arts in English for crikey's sake!!!!! Medicine? Um NOT! She is an ENGLISH major!!!! Grrrrr!!!!) really really upset me (can ya tell? ) because they just repeat what they have heard and what the ADA recommends. And here is the kicker...what they have heard is based COMPLETELY on a SINGLE poor scientific "study" (and I use the term loosely!) BY A DUDE WHO WAS BUDDIES WITH PRESIDENTS EISENHOWER AND JOHNSON AND GOT HIMSELF APPOINTED AS THE FIRST HEAD OF THE AMA. And they didn't check or confirm any of the results of his study--they just took his word for it. His name was Ancel Keys. Google it--you'll see what I mean. And PRESTO--now we are all fat. (Btw, if I remember correctly, Eisenhower followed this guy's "diet" and died of clogged arteries and a heart attack shortly thereafter.)

The obesity epidemic is a worldwide problem but did we have these problems in the '50's when people were all eating sticks of butter and drinking whole milk? No, we did not. Did we have problems when we were frying things in lard and eating beef and bacon 4-5 times per week. No. We ONLY got started getting fat when the government decided they needed to tell us to eat 12 servings of grain per day and eat chicken breast and lean turkey.

Seriously, you can choose to eat what you want (and I do not recommend KFC or Big Macs) but as far as HOW we got fat--honey, it wasn't fat that made us fat. It was white pasta. And rice. And bread. And frozen dinners. And fat-free cookies. And soda. And candy bars. You go back to eating that stuff on any sort of a regular basis, and you WILL gain it back. But it wasn't butter. Or coconut oil. Or steak. Or bacon. Not full-fat yogurt. Or cheese. Or avocados. Don't be scared of them--please please!

I'll get off my soapbox now but I would seriously encourage you to read Good Calories Bad Calories (if you can) or if not, rent Fathead.

Then that's sorta like everyone saying HCG isn't healthy? Wish they'd wose up on that one too

Thanks everyone I feel better now!!!You girls are the best.
Good Calories bad calories can be found online?

[cocoapeanut]

Berta - don't be afraid of fat, especially good fat! Remember that certain vitamins actually cannot be absorbed by your body without fat, and some sources of fat are the best sources of certain vitamins. Also think about how we lived in ancient times eating mostly meat..if fat were bad, we would have already died out, haha. The sad reality is that the government makes a high carb diet the cheapest way to eat, so that it what it's going to recommend. Keep in mind that the American Heart Association and the American Dietetic Association are sponsored by companies such as Coke and Pepsi, Mars Candy, General Mills cereal, and SoyJoy...no sensible association will talk badly about the people giving them money!

If you want to read, I actually suggest Gary Taubes' other book, Why We Get Fat. It's basically a shorter and easier version of Good Calories, Bad Calories, and is an excellent place to start. I've read both and give them a thumbs up! Also watch Fathead, which you can probably stream online. It's awesome.

[cocoapeanut]

Uh, looks like I also fell victim to the soapbox

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Berta - don't be afraid of fat, especially good fat! Remember that certain vitamins actually cannot be absorbed by your body without fat, and some sources of fat are the best sources of certain vitamins. Also think about how we lived in ancient times eating mostly meat..if fat were bad, we would have already died out, haha. The sad reality is that the government makes a high carb diet the cheapest way to eat, so that it what it's going to recommend. Keep in mind that the American Heart Association and the American Dietetic Association are sponsored by companies such as Coke and Pepsi, Mars Candy, General Mills cereal, and SoyJoy...no sensible association will talk badly about the people giving them money!

If you want to read, I actually suggest Gary Taubes' other book, Why We Get Fat. It's basically a shorter and easier version of Good Calories, Bad Calories, and is an excellent place to start. I've read both and give them a thumbs up! Also watch Fathead, which you can probably stream online. It's awesome.

[minimonkey]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Berta - Cocoa answered you very well above. If you want to watch something entertaining that describes how arteries REALLY get clogged, rent or buy the movie Fathead. Basically, the current logic is COMPLETE BS!!!!! Eating fat does not make you fat. My diet is approximately 55-75% of my calories from fat. My blood lipid levels (cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.) are all superb. The ONLY time my cholesterol was high was when I was eating lots of white sugar and flour.

People like the person you quoted above (who is has a Bachelor of Arts in English for crikey's sake!!!!! Medicine? Um NOT! She is an ENGLISH major!!!! Grrrrr!!!!) really really upset me (can ya tell? ) because they just repeat what they have heard and what the ADA recommends. And here is the kicker...what they have heard is based COMPLETELY on a SINGLE poor scientific "study" (and I use the term loosely!) BY A DUDE WHO WAS BUDDIES WITH PRESIDENTS EISENHOWER AND JOHNSON AND GOT HIMSELF APPOINTED AS THE FIRST HEAD OF THE AMA. And they didn't check or confirm any of the results of his study--they just took his word for it. His name was Ancel Keys. Google it--you'll see what I mean. And PRESTO--now we are all fat. (Btw, if I remember correctly, Eisenhower followed this guy's "diet" and died of clogged arteries and a heart attack shortly thereafter.)

The obesity epidemic is a worldwide problem but did we have these problems in the '50's when people were all eating sticks of butter and drinking whole milk? No, we did not. Did we have problems when we were frying things in lard and eating beef and bacon 4-5 times per week. No. We ONLY got started getting fat when the government decided they needed to tell us to eat 12 servings of grain per day and eat chicken breast and lean turkey.

Seriously, you can choose to eat what you want (and I do not recommend KFC or Big Macs) but as far as HOW we got fat--honey, it wasn't fat that made us fat. It was white pasta. And rice. And bread. And frozen dinners. And fat-free cookies. And soda. And candy bars. You go back to eating that stuff on any sort of a regular basis, and you WILL gain it back. But it wasn't butter. Or coconut oil. Or steak. Or bacon. Not full-fat yogurt. Or cheese. Or avocados. Don't be scared of them--please please!

I'll get off my soapbox now but I would seriously encourage you to read Good Calories Bad Calories (if you can) or if not, rent Fathead.

Go Shelby!! Go Cocoapeanut!!! You guys know how to say it right!!

[minimonkey]

First things first, my mom is fine -- thank G-d! She had been to the doctors, and just hadn't had a chance to call me back -- she had a cat scan, and everything looks ok.

Thank you for your kind words.... I needed them today.

I survived my first down day -- came in at about 500 calories on the nose, and got in a workout to boot (Bar Method). It feels REALLY good to be back in the gym

I definitely see that the heavy lifting and lugging of the past few months has put some nice mass on me -- especially in the shoulders, back and the glutes and hamstrings. I don't really need more mass in the glutes, per se (lol!) but this is muscle, so I will gladly take that, and just swap out some of the flabby mass to make room for it.

JUDDD is going to be a long haul -- no more quick hcg losses -- sigh -- but also no more starving for weeks on end, only to rebound....which is what I ended up with for the most part from hcg. I am a lesson in how to deplete your body far too much, and then have it backfire ... ladies, don't do what I did!

I'm looking forward to my up day tomorrow -- and I must say, being hungry for one day at a time does beat the heck out of those long, hungry rounds on hcg. Today wasn't bad, all things considered ... though next time I think I will opt for a fasted work out, and save my calories for a recovery meal afterward.

I really hope I can make this work, and that the benefits everyone espouses are real and tangible for me.... if it heals my metabolism, it'll definitely be worth it.

Now, if something would just heal my poor, broken out face, I'd really be happy! Rrarf!!!

[shelbyla]

Mini - Thank goodness your Mom is ok! Is she another senior who isn't crazy about cell phone technology? My parents wouldn't know how to use their cell to dial 911! Worries me sometimes...but they tend to do that generally!

As for me, I seem to have dumped a huge amount of water overnight...or something. I had a huge amount of calories yesterday--probably in the neighborhood of 2500+. I've been so hungry in the mornings that I added a Greek yogurt and some strawberries yesterday morning and split my avocado for an afternoon snack. Bernice finally visited. I exercised (lightly!). And today I was down...6.7 pounds??? To LIW+1, back inside my window?? Seriously? I weighed twice and came up with the same number. My travel scale battery died so I can't cross check. I JUST put new batteries in my scale though so it shouldn't be that... Something is majorly whacked although I can tell I've dropped some water weight (rings are loose) and my clothes have been fitting the same since the end of the round. I am just gonna hold that "130" number in my mind today until I can get new batteries!

[cocoapeanut]

Mini - SO glad your mom is okay. And congrats on a decently easier down day! Working out fasted is one of the things that totally changed for me after I tried low-carbing...I used to be the girl that always made sure to eat something before working out so I didn't have that gnawing hunger, but after hunger became less of an angry pit in my stomach and more of a gentle reminder, I discovered that I actually enjoy working out fasted! Last night I had my steak before my workout (steak day) but I had been fasting all day before that and noticed I had awesome energy at the gym! JUDDD is more moderate than hCG for sure, and maybe that is exactly what you need -- plus coconut oil and some sun on the face I think

Shelby - WHOA, epic return to window! Clean eating + water loss + Bernice + light exercise could = some serious pound droppage. WTG! As long as clothes still fit right, you're golden.

---
I myself was cross-checking on the scales this morning, since my new one came yesterday - yay! I was LIW +3.5 yesterday, so I did a steak day and was back in window at LIW +0.5 today, hooray! -3lbs is pretty good. 161.5 on old scale, 161.2 on new scale...seems like consensus is that I can eat some spinach and coconut oil today

I have a bunch of appointments today, one being at the clinic to check in, and another being at a podiatrist with my mom to inquire about a peculiar ongoing event. Since last Thursday, the top of my right foot has been kind of numb and tingly. It's not really affecting the way I walk, but it's been a week, it hasn't gone away, I have ZERO explanation and would like to get it sorted out, thanks! We'll see what happens.

Have a GREAT day y'all

[LaraSuzz]

Wow Shelby nice loss! You deserve that gf!!

Cocoa hope everything is ok. Tingly toes can mean a variety of things, for me it was a buldging disk in my neck believe it or not.

Mini so glad your mama is ok. Mamas rock.

C'Marie hello lurker!! lol

Ok so I lost 1.8 from my steak day. I did it by the book but I did have two Diet Squirts and wondered if that would effect losses.

My face hurts today and I think its allergies. A trip to the acupuncturist is in my future. I will try to keep eating under control, its just when I get home at night I have lots of time to myself and then I think about food. I need a hobby lol. Thinking about joining the gym but afraid on how excersize will effect weight gain. Or maybe I could just get on my elyptical machine thats sitting in my livingroom... lol.

Most of our computer systems are down today at work...so hopefully they will let us go home haha.

Lara

OMG they also took away my ticker!!!!!!!!

[julieboolie]

Lara-what did you do to deserve such punishment from our admins? I can't recall anything you've posted that's been inappropriate!! Sorry your face hurts!! Hope you can figure out what's up!!

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Berta - Cocoa answered you very well above. If you want to watch something entertaining that describes how arteries REALLY get clogged, rent or buy the movie Fathead. Basically, the current logic is COMPLETE BS!!!!! Eating fat does not make you fat. My diet is approximately 55-75% of my calories from fat. My blood lipid levels (cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.) are all superb. The ONLY time my cholesterol was high was when I was eating lots of white sugar and flour.

People like the person you quoted above (who is has a Bachelor of Arts in English for crikey's sake!!!!! Medicine? Um NOT! She is an ENGLISH major!!!! Grrrrr!!!!) really really upset me (can ya tell? ) because they just repeat what they have heard and what the ADA recommends. And here is the kicker...what they have heard is based COMPLETELY on a SINGLE poor scientific "study" (and I use the term loosely!) BY A DUDE WHO WAS BUDDIES WITH PRESIDENTS EISENHOWER AND JOHNSON AND GOT HIMSELF APPOINTED AS THE FIRST HEAD OF THE AMA. And they didn't check or confirm any of the results of his study--they just took his word for it. His name was Ancel Keys. Google it--you'll see what I mean. And PRESTO--now we are all fat. (Btw, if I remember correctly, Eisenhower followed this guy's "diet" and died of clogged arteries and a heart attack shortly thereafter.)

The obesity epidemic is a worldwide problem but did we have these problems in the '50's when people were all eating sticks of butter and drinking whole milk? No, we did not. Did we have problems when we were frying things in lard and eating beef and bacon 4-5 times per week. No. We ONLY got started getting fat when the government decided they needed to tell us to eat 12 servings of grain per day and eat chicken breast and lean turkey.

Seriously, you can choose to eat what you want (and I do not recommend KFC or Big Macs) but as far as HOW we got fat--honey, it wasn't fat that made us fat. It was white pasta. And rice. And bread. And frozen dinners. And fat-free cookies. And soda. And candy bars. You go back to eating that stuff on any sort of a regular basis, and you WILL gain it back. But it wasn't butter. Or coconut oil. Or steak. Or bacon. Not full-fat yogurt. Or cheese. Or avocados. Don't be scared of them--please please!

I'll get off my soapbox now but I would seriously encourage you to read Good Calories Bad Calories (if you can) or if not, rent Fathead.

You beat me to the soap box!! I 100% agree!! The whole pyramid and FDA advice is bull hockey!! Those of us who have read and researched actual science, and even further, experimented on ourselves, know the truth now. I'm continually amazed and disappointed to see how little truth is actually promoted in the media and scientific community. Actual Dr's, who are medically educated, still buy into the myth's that have plagued our country for years, creating the obesity epidemic. I choose not to believe there's some grander conspiracy w. the pharm companies to create a problem so they can prescribe the treatment and get rich. But, it does seem to be a vicious cycle now!! stepping back off the soap box And congrats on your major drop girlie!! That's so nice to see!! And given your acceptance of a higher weight, maybe there is more to the stress and weight loss equation than I originally thought? Good job!!

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

shelbyla

I have been a LC'er forever it seems. This is exactly how I try to explain to friends and family. Makes you wonder when society is going to finally understand

my mom comes from a large family from the south... they work their farms and live off of their farms...i.e. Milk butter beef pork lard cream vegetables excetera...you name it... they ate it... the amazing thing is all of her relatives live to be 90 and 100 years old... the women are all heavy set and overweight... but have no major health problems... The men work until old age...

Society needs to get back to the way we use to live... get away from all this processed unhealthy food

Sorry... guess I was on a soapbox for a minute, too...lol

Angela in TX

Angela-good to see you!! and I agree!! Get me a farm, good dairy cow, some chickens and I think I'd be quite happy .

Originally Posted by minimonkey

First things first, my mom is fine -- thank G-d! She had been to the doctors, and just hadn't had a chance to call me back -- she had a cat scan, and everything looks ok.

Thank you for your kind words.... I needed them today.

I survived my first down day -- came in at about 500 calories on the nose, and got in a workout to boot (Bar Method). It feels REALLY good to be back in the gym

I definitely see that the heavy lifting and lugging of the past few months has put some nice mass on me -- especially in the shoulders, back and the glutes and hamstrings. I don't really need more mass in the glutes, per se (lol!) but this is muscle, so I will gladly take that, and just swap out some of the flabby mass to make room for it.

JUDDD is going to be a long haul -- no more quick hcg losses -- sigh -- but also no more starving for weeks on end, only to rebound....which is what I ended up with for the most part from hcg. I am a lesson in how to deplete your body far too much, and then have it backfire ... ladies, don't do what I did!

I'm looking forward to my up day tomorrow -- and I must say, being hungry for one day at a time does beat the heck out of those long, hungry rounds on hcg. Today wasn't bad, all things considered ... though next time I think I will opt for a fasted work out, and save my calories for a recovery meal afterward.

I really hope I can make this work, and that the benefits everyone espouses are real and tangible for me.... if it heals my metabolism, it'll definitely be worth it.

Now, if something would just heal my poor, broken out face, I'd really be happy! Rrarf!!!

Glad your mom is well. Skip the bag, I'm sure you look better than you think you do . Glad the DD went well, and you're 100% right, 1 day beats weeks of it, doesn't it!! Glad you can see some muscle. Hope you're slowly and surely relosing and leaning out!! You can do it. Glad to see you here posting, I've missed you.


Cocoa-good for you!! Nice drop from that steak day!! . Enjoy your new scale. Hope all is well w. your foot!! At least I hope the Dr can help .

Berta- obviously I agree w. the other posters. A little bit of "knowledge" can be a dangerous thing. Be careful what you buy into from the "I've heard" crowd. Plus, loading for 2 days does not a lifestyle make. So, take it all in stride, load well and be ready for your new P2 on Monday!! Hope all goes well for you!!

I'm still refeeding. RRARFing, to be specific . I'm leaving tomorrow for my college reunion beach party and will be enjoying my weekend thoroughly. The nice thing is that I finally don't feel the need to gorge when I think of eating. I'm not eating with a vengeance, or out of some compulsive need to "make up" for my deprivation. I feel much healthier (if that's a thing) when it comes to food. I can have whatever I want. And yet, last night, I chose chicken chili instead of chicken strips. I find myself wanting froyo over gelato. It's odd. I'm excited about the nectarines and cherries I just bought at Sprouts. All good!! And my temps are still up nicely. A few more weeks of "normal" and then a quick P2. all is well

[LaraSuzz]

Someone asked in a thread if anyone knew how much fees were for hcg through self pay(no insurance) and I noticed they were in Tucson so of course I was thrilled to help and posted away....
I posted the fees that I pay for my hcg unknowingly, and apparently this is a big booboo. I am bansihed from pm's and no more ticker. I mean give a girl a warning for petes sake. I emailed "them" we will see what happens.

Just took some tylenol, lol. Feels like I got smacked in the face and not in a good way, hardy har.

[shelbyla]

Ok, YAY, for successful cd's and BOO for pain of all sorts. (**snickering over here STILL about RRARF, and Lara, about being smacked in the face in a good way...** <snicker!>)

Cocoa - I've had the foot/leg/hand/arm tingles and they ended in back surgery for me (actually 2 ruptured discs). Good that you are getting thee to a doctor! If the podiatrist doesn't help look at a neurologist.

Lara - Could be that your cd is being hijacked by those allergies. Inflammation = water retention. Maybe you'll drop a little more tomorrow.

Julie - have mucho fun with your gf's and enjoy rrarf'ing. <snickersnicker> Sounds like with your temps up and your new mindset, thatyou've had some major victories, scale or no scale!

I hope that I scale isn't messing with me but I am 99% sure that it is. Every other time this whole 6-8 pound drop thing has happened, it meant batteries were bad. I may stick my head in the sand on this one though. I sure enjoyed the HECK out of everything I ate yesterday and didn't ever feel super hungry or super stuffed. I probably could have eaten fewer fudgey peanut coconut bars but I am still working on the whole hunger scale thing. Problem is that I definitely know the difference between 1 or 2 and 9 or 10. It's the 5-7 that I have trouble with. Oh well...work in progress...

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As we've been laughing over rrarf'ing, etc. I was thinking about other words that just make me giggle or have another sort emotional or even physical context. There is a radio show here in LA where one of their long-time listeners gets violently, physically ill (I mean like throwing up ill) when someone says the word "moist." My boyfriend gets completely weirded out by the word "skeevy". Something about the word "muffin" makes me happy and warm. Which is why "muffin-top" was always such a puzzler for me... Anyway, just some random musings. Anyone else have any?

[LaraSuzz]

YAY my ticker is back. I will be a good girl I promise.
You make a good point, acupuncture always helps me loose, and I just realized that Ive been a little dizzy the past few days which could mean the vertigo from facial and inner ear pressure due to allergies is creeping up.
So hopefully iut will be gone soon.

hmm... I never liked the word vomit, lol.
Pus isn't nice either..but it makes me laugh when used in a sentence describing something.... if you know what I mean.
I think its funny when people announce someones title as "head Baker", or when someone mispronounces a word like "supposebly". I just laugh on the inside.

[shelbyla]

I had a girlfriend in college--very educated--who consistently pronounced the word "naive" as "nave". I finally had to say something! I was like, "So you would want me to tell you if you had spinach in your teeth, right?..."

[minimonkey]

Wow -- Shelby --- that is one big drop!!!!!! I really, really hope it sticks for you! It is crazy the amount of water a body can retain! I also dropped a bunch of water yesterday -- no scale for me right now, but I can sure feel it.

Julie -- I actually don't look better than I think I do, with the skin -- I look rather like I have the chicken pox. This is seriously one of the worst breakouts I have ever had, and that is saying quite a lot (I've had some epic ones). There's nothing much to do but to wait it out and let it heal.

I'm definitely looking forward to some leaning out and revealing of the new muscles -- but I am also going to do my best to be patient about it this time. It'll happen gradually, and that's fine. This yo yo business has to go!

I am working on the hunger thing, too -- and after so much prolonged dieting (much of which I did very hungry all the time, hcg notwithstanding) I have a hard time discerning what's what. I definitely have a lot of physical hunger, a lot of the time -- it takes a large amount of food to quiet it. I am just going to be sure that what I am eating is very nutritious food, and trust that my body will use it well.

I think I am going to allow myself relatively unrestricted calories on up days for the first couple of weeks -- I'll keep it low carb, but I am not going to worry overmuch about the calories those days -- I will eat enough not to be feeling hungry -- if that goes over the up day limit, so be it. I will try not to eat past what it takes to stop feeling hungry -- but I know that can take a lot of food for me when I am depleted, and particularly when I am working out as well.

Down days I will keep to 500, and live with whatever hunger is there. I think my body needs some serious metabolic resetting, and feeding it well on up days is part of that picture. I'm sure the hunger will settle down in time, particularly once the JUDDD genetic piece gets flowing, and so forth.

I can fine tune it later -- but the goal right now is to allow my body to repair itself, and to get my metabolism working again.

[minimonkey]

Cocoa -- I also hope all is well with the foot -- sounds nerve-related to me, as well. I hope the docs figure out the problem sooner rather than later! I agree with Shelby on this one -- don't let the problem be brushed off easily -- I've had a lot of nerve problems over the years (mine is from Lyme disease) and they can get worse if left untreated. I hope it is something simple and easy to fix! This, incidentally, is from two women (Shelby and me) who have no great love of doctors in general -- but some things do need a specialist.

Julie -- I love the relationship you are developing with food -- I think that is very close to what I'd like to develop, too. I've been there before, but my body was at a higher weight than I prefer it to be then -- so I think some checks and balances need to remain in the mix -- low carb is fine for me as a long term WOE, and perhaps the JUDDDing will allow me to reach goal and stay there. We'll see how it goes.