P3/P4 Simeons Protocol Week of 5/28/12

[shelbyla]

Here's a new thread for the week, chickadees! Let's make it a fantastic P3 week!

Happy Memorial Day to all and many thanks to the men and women who keep us safe every day!

[shelbyla]

Last day of vlc for me. Man, this last three days has seemed ENDLESS! HB eggs for breakfast tomorrow, real dressing and avocados on my salad, butter on my nighttime veggies. Can you tell I am looking forward to it?

[LaraSuzz]

Thank you for starting the new thread! And yes lets remember and give thanks to those brave soldiers who fought and continue to fight and make this country amazing.

I'm still the same weight as I was last Thursday I can't believe how well I am stabilizing this P3. Thank goodness cuz I'm really tired od steak lol.

Have a great week everyone!!
Hugs, Lara

[Berta48]

Well I am up ANOTHER lb. Today 260So I am doing a steak and tomato day .Sure hope it works cause the last CD I did, did not work and then I am told it isn't a CD ? I hate PH3I want to go back to PH2. PLEASE

I usually quit when things like this start happening because I want to see losses not gains. It is really discouraging to me.

Guess I'll just have to wait and see what I weigh in the morning before doing 2 CDs in a row.

Also my DD was here and I won't be doing the RX HCG next round because she says she has to mix hers and add vodka according to the instructions? I don't drink alcohol of any kind any more... so I will NOT use that. I will stick with my HHCG.I don't to fool with having to mix it up.ANd the HHCG worked fine for me.

[Arctic_Mama]

No vodka, she has incorrect/erroneous mixing instructions.

Alcohol will degrade the hCG molecule and decrease the efficacy, big time. Mixing for sublingual is dosed at 125 iU strength of the hCG (which you already know ) and the best way to mix it is with simple saline solution, like Wound Wash. You can also use bacteriostatic sodium chloride, but the sterile solution isn't necessary for sublingual, like it is for subcutaneous.

Mix only enough to last for three weeks of doses (one dose in the morning, one in the evening) and store in the fridge. Do NOT shake the bottles to mix, only gently roll themin your hands. HCG is delicate stuff and prone to lysis from either force OR osmosis, so mixing it with neutral, gentle solutions and handling with care is a must if we don't want to lessen the efficacy of the treatment. If your daughter needs new mixing instructions I have a few links I can send you that make the quantities and procedures very clear, just ask

[Arctic_Mama]

I've stayed on my induction plan for losing a bit more and maintaining without much sweat in P4 and it is working BEAUTIFULLY! I am 168.4 today, which is lower than the weight I started with this month, so I have officially lost all the birthday, anniversary, and mother's day fat I gained through celebratory eating. It has been a slow creep downward but I am gratified to be back in the middle of my range and heading toward the bottom. The plus sides are that I'm satisfied, too. No cravings or crazy hunger, thanks to ketosis, and the menu is to my tastes, if slightly light on veggies. I'll up those in step increments once I hit 165, I think, and then maintain there for the rest of my maintenance round unless or until something changes (either pregnancy or another P2).

This is my weight chart for May (hopefully it shows up):



It is hilarious, you can see the ups from the first and second weekend in May, which were my anniversary and birthday dates, respectively. Then there's the correcting from them, maintaining, overeating at two meetings and subsequent correcting, then ending the trend with my period gains, losses, and here I am today.

Weight is NOT static, but I think this proves that with vigilance and persistence any gains can be corrected and we can continue on. If I produced the entire chart of my weightloss over four years, the pattern would also be obvious - lose, maintain, lose, maintain, slight gain, get it under control, lose and maintain again. Such is life!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

No vodka, she has incorrect/erroneous mixing instructions.

Alcohol will degrade the hCG molecule and decrease the efficacy, big time. Mixing for sublingual is dosed at 125 iU strength of the hCG (which you already know ) and the best way to mix it is with simple saline solution, like Wound Wash. You can also use bacteriostatic sodium chloride, but the sterile solution isn't necessary for sublingual, like it is for subcutaneous.

Mix only enough to last for three weeks of doses (one dose in the morning, one in the evening) and store in the fridge. Do NOT shake the bottles to mix, only gently roll themin your hands. HCG is delicate stuff and prone to lysis from either force OR osmosis, so mixing it with neutral, gentle solutions and handling with care is a must if we don't want to lessen the efficacy of the treatment. If your daughter needs new mixing instructions I have a few links I can send you that make the quantities and procedures very clear, just ask

I don't know but I do know she has lost over 70 lbs now in less than a year.She looks so amazing I honestly couldn't believe my eyes.

I jst don't want to fool with the mixing nd stuff.I did fine with the HHCG I just got hungry alot. SO I will next rnd continue with it and eat more veggies I was not eating very much of them at all.

She wouldn't change the way the she has been doing it I am sure. As she thinks the HHCG doesn't have but like one drop of real HCG in it. SO we disagree.(that's normal with us though)

Do you get yours overseas? Or onlinw? I know you can't say who you get it from .I am concerned if I buy it online it isn't the real stuff either so HOW DO YOU KNOW?

[Arctic_Mama]

I buy my hCG from international pharmacies through the Internet. Some are reliable, some are not. Escrowrefills is the current go-to source, but it requires an invite code (which I can supply if you want to go that direction). The way you figure these things out is through talking to people also doing it this way - in my case it was through the yahoo group HCGDieters that I got reliable sources for hCG and supplies. Then it was just a matter of ordering, mixing, and having at it. Nothing terrible complicated, actually

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I buy my hCG from international pharmacies through the Internet. Some are reliable, some are not. Escrowrefills is the current go-to source, but it requires an invite code (which I can supply if you want to go that direction). The way you figure these things out is through talking to people also doing it this way - in my case it was through the yahoo group HCGDieters that I got reliable sources for hCG and supplies. Then it was just a matter of ordering, mixing, and having at it. Nothing terrible complicated, actually

If you won't get in trouble here on the board sending that to me I would like to at least look at it.I would feel better knowing it was the REAL thing. It will depend on the price and can a person do it sublingual?I do not like needles in any shape or form.I am a baby

[Arctic_Mama]

It is what I have mentioned before - a powder that gets mixed (yes, with a mixing needle) into a solution that is then administered under the tongue. No needles are used to dosing, it you need them to correctly measure the amounts of fluid involved.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

It is what I have mentioned before - a powder that gets mixed (yes, with a mixing needle) into a solution that is then administered under the tongue. No needles are used to dosing, it you need them to correctly measure the amounts of fluid involved.

Well that sounds better

[Arctic_Mama]

Wow, sorry for the typos. No needles are used in dosing, but they ARE needed to measure the correct fluid amounts. You use a needle-less syringe to measure your dose for sublingual, but that's about it. And that is no harder than using an eye dropper, really.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Wow, sorry for the typos. No needles are used in dosing, but they ARE needed to measure the correct fluid amounts. You use a needle-less syringe to measure your dose for sublingual, but that's about it. And that is no harder than using an eye dropper, really.

Please e-mail me I have some questions OK?

[Arctic_Mama]

Check your inbox

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Check your inbox

[shelbyla]

Morning all. First day of P3. Well...first OFFICIAL day... I, well, I went a little crazy yesterday... No carbs and no sugar but around 3pm, I started eating fat. And wow did I eat it! My poor GI tract! Jeeze. All the things that I said I WASN'T going to eat. Not sure what came over me--it was like an out of body experience!--but picking myself up, dusting myself off, and going forward with P3 today as planned. Still inside my window but right at the tippy top so I am going to be EXCEEDINGLY careful today.

Happy 529 Day everyone... (google it! )

[Berta48]

Well I did my steak day yesterday to the T.Only down on 1.2 lbs still 2.8 over my LDW so now what do I do.Eat today and another CD tomorrow or what?

I don't think I like PH3 after all

[Arctic_Mama]

Shelby - I always treat the first day or two of P3 as a refeed of sorts, on fat and protein. Otherwise I get in that crazy, deprived mindset and it is a bad thing to persist in. Eating cleanly and satisfyingly today is an excellent idea, I think.

Berta - Yes, I'd do one more steak day and then take a break before resuming another. Tht is a good loss and hopefully you can move a bit more out soon!

As for me today, I was inside my window at 169.6, which is excellent considering I exercised right before bed (and am sore today) as well as ate corned beef (read: salt bomb). No complaints from me about this

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Shelby - I always treat the first day or two of P3 as a refeed of sorts, on fat and protein. Otherwise I get in that crazy, deprived mindset and it is a bad thing to persist in. Eating cleanly and satisfyingly today is an excellent idea, I think.

Berta - Yes, I'd do one more steak day and then take a break before resuming another. Tht is a good loss and hopefully you can move a bit more out soon!

As for me today, I was inside my window at 169.6, which is excellent considering I exercised right before bed (and am sore today) as well as ate corned beef (read: salt bomb). No complaints from me about this

Taryl
Thanks I will do another steak day today I have been waiting on an answer from someone so I haven't eaten yet and it is 12:26 and getting hungrySOOO I will load up on water and tea and coffee until tonight.

One more question for you (if you can stand another one)
Does a person have to order the mixing kit every time they order RXHCG? And were there any oversea charges you had to pay on your credit card or from your bank?

[pinky45]

I finally found the new phase 3/4 thread!!!! I'm new on here and want to do my phase 3 successfully. Hey, who doesn't! I start phase 3 in two days and I can't wait. I am dreaming of eggs for breakfast! I did one round of hcg starting May 1st with my first loading day. As of today I have lost 19.2 lbs. I am going to do another round starting in September. Summer is to hard to do another round because of travel etc. We are going to Cuenca, Ecuador in July! I like the support I have seen on here...I've lurked the last 2 days. lol!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by pinky45

I finally found the new phase 3/4 thread!!!! I'm new on here and want to do my phase 3 successfully. Hey, who doesn't! I start phase 3 in two days and I can't wait. I am dreaming of eggs for breakfast! I did one round of hcg starting May 1st with my first loading day. As of today I have lost 19.2 lbs. I am going to do another round starting in September. Summer is to hard to do another round because of travel etc. We are going to Cuenca, Ecuador in July! I like the support I have seen on here...I've lurked the last 2 days. lol!

Glad you found us Pinky!

Had my coffee with a little cream and 2 HB eggs this morning. Now having my salad with chicken breast (holding off on thighs for now) but added avocado and real dressing. And can I just say...oh avocado! How I have missed you!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by pinky45

I finally found the new phase 3/4 thread!!!! I'm new on here and want to do my phase 3 successfully. Hey, who doesn't! I start phase 3 in two days and I can't wait. I am dreaming of eggs for breakfast! I did one round of hcg starting May 1st with my first loading day. As of today I have lost 19.2 lbs. I am going to do another round starting in September. Summer is to hard to do another round because of travel etc. We are going to Cuenca, Ecuador in July! I like the support I have seen on here...I've lurked the last 2 days. lol!

[Arctic_Mama]

Welcome Pinky! And have fun traveling this summer, Ecuador will be beautiful!

[Arctic_Mama]

I always look forward to bacon and avocado on my salads, Shelby - P3 truly seems heavenly after such restriction in P2

[julieboolie]

Hey maintainers!! I'm popping in. I'm sure I'm up, but didn't weigh today. I had a great time eating this weekend, celebrating and having a generally wonderful time. I suspect i'm up 10lbs but we'll see tomorrow. I'm doing a GYCD today, mostly b/c I love the stuff.

The good part of all of the indulgence? well, 2 things actually. First. I'm actually a bit relieved to be back to normal eating. And secondly, my small attempt at RRARF (eating more to build up your metabolism) seems to have helped. I had a basal temp of 97.6 this morning (w/ forgetting my dose of thyroid med last night)! That's remarkable for me (usually 96.2ish). And bodes well for my metabolism. I can't keep eating this way (although it IS fun!!) but it's good to know that when I do get down to my goal weight (again) I will be adding more starches/sugars back in (not crazy like!!) and hope/expect that to help my metabolism.

Did a good workout today - weights and HIIT. Feel good. Swam w/ the kids and enjoyed my GY. See you all in the morning

[Doing It Right]

Shelby- Woo Hoo!!!! Hope you enjoyed your 1st day in P3!

Berta- hope your steak day gets you back in your window!

Taryl- Great job working your way back down in your window.

Welcome Pinky! Hope you have an awesome P3!

Julie- glad you had a great weekend! You'll work that gain right back down. Great job getting your temp up!

Been a rough few days here, went out to eat Fri, gained and did a unsuccessful steak day Sat. Then had a death in the family Sun, and I let old habits get me. Was up to 128 Monday morning, did a GY day and a clean P3 yesterday, and now I'm back to 122. LDW 121.4. Very excited my body went down so quickly, though it was scary to be up that much. Hope I can stay on track now.

Have a great day ladies! Hope to be around more now, it helps keep me on track!

Tonya

[shelbyla]

Good morning folks. Well, I am up another 0.5 from my first day of P3 which puts me over 2 pounds over LIW, despite keeping it clean and on the low side of calories yesterday. HOWEVER...I've given myself a slightly larger window because I am feeling that as much as I like the mid-130's, that it's a bit on the low side for me. I also can't do a proper cd today (a couple of social engagements) and I leave for Chicago tomorrow so I will keep it clean today and while I am gone and just see how I do. Have a great one, everyone!

[julieboolie]

Good morning ladies!! Had time to read more today

Taryl-That's so good!! WTG!! !! Very glad to see your Atkins approach got you right back down to LDW!! Encouraging to me as that's my approach this week (w/ a few CD's on occasion if I feel like it!).

Shelby-you'll do fine. That initial bump up wasn't even full blown P3 yet, so I suspect your body will settle in a bit. Keep it clean and controlled (tricky when you're travelling!!) and I'm sure you'll be fine!!

Tonya- good to see you. on the loss. I'm sorry to hear that and I comfort myself w. food too often too. I'm really happy to hear you went back down so quickly!!

Berta-hope you're down today too!!

I'm at 156.4 today, after a GYCD yesterday (which I thoroughly enjoyed!! love it!!) and I know I was up much higher than that before. I'd like to get back down to 150. I'm working out pretty hard (for me) these days. I don't want to overtrain, but I do love lifting weights. I'm trying to only lift 2-3 days a week, and do HIIT 2-3 days too. I like my new routine and don't find myself making excuses to *not* do it. Which is definietly progress for me.

So, Atkins style induction + GY is the menu this week. Made salsa chicken for the fam last night, so leftovers for lunch. Had a yummy omlette w/ cheese already this morning (strangely hungry this morning - which I think is a good sign). I'm going to try to *listen* to my body better. I am learning more and more about hunger, leptin, society and cultural eating habits (set times, social eating, overeating b/c the food is there, etc.) and working on taking back some of that control and being quiet enough to "hear" my body. We'll see. I'm going to be mindful but not obsessed. I'd like to add more healthy carbs back in long term. I don't plan to stay at induction or even OWL levels for too long. But I do know what Taryl does, that it works. So, I'll work it .

[LaraSuzz]

Hi all... not sure what happened yesterday but today I'm up 3 so I'm doing protein only today to see how that goes. I think its salt since I didnt have any sugar or starch. I had coffee with hwc and I might just do some eggs and or bacon. Good luck everyone on getting back down. =) Lara

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Doing It Right

Shelby- Woo Hoo!!!! Hope you enjoyed your 1st day in P3!

Berta- hope your steak day gets you back in your window!

Taryl- Great job working your way back down in your window.

Welcome Pinky! Hope you have an awesome P3!

Julie- glad you had a great weekend! You'll work that gain right back down. Great job getting your temp up!

Been a rough few days here, went out to eat Fri, gained and did a unsuccessful steak day Sat. Then had a death in the family Sun, and I let old habits get me. Was up to 128 Monday morning, did a GY day and a clean P3 yesterday, and now I'm back to 122. LDW 121.4. Very excited my body went down so quickly, though it was scary to be up that much. Hope I can stay on track now.

Have a great day ladies! Hope to be around more now, it helps keep me on track!

Tonya

THANKS TonyaI did a Stk day Mon down 1.2 and then another yesterday and down 3.8 today putting me 1.2 lbs UNDER my LDW.YES I am a happy camper today
I am sorry for your loss of the loved one.That is never easy. Keep posting because these ladies do keep us on track! I thank God for them everyday!

Just KUTGW I'd love to weigh what you weigh except that is a lot under what I am to weigh for my height and age.SO if I ever get to 150 I am done!!! Thank you for the encouragement I need that from time to time! As this is all new to me.

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Good morning folks. Well, I am up another 0.5 from my first day of P3 which puts me over 2 pounds over LIW, despite keeping it clean and on the low side of calories yesterday. HOWEVER...I've given myself a slightly larger window because I am feeling that as much as I like the mid-130's, that it's a bit on the low side for me. I also can't do a proper cd today (a couple of social engagements) and I leave for Chicago tomorrow so I will keep it clean today and while I am gone and just see how I do. Have a great one, everyone!

Shelby you are doing great.You are probably right where you need to be in your weight. But you know how to work it. So Just hang in there and KUTGW Hope you and (her user name left me... senior moment ya know?) anyway hope you two have a great time together.And tell us all about it when you get back OK?

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Good morning ladies!! Had time to read more today

Taryl-That's so good!! WTG!! !! Very glad to see your Atkins approach got you right back down to LDW!! Encouraging to me as that's my approach this week (w/ a few CD's on occasion if I feel like it!).

Shelby-you'll do fine. That initial bump up wasn't even full blown P3 yet, so I suspect your body will settle in a bit. Keep it clean and controlled (tricky when you're travelling!!) and I'm sure you'll be fine!!

Tonya- good to see you. on the loss. I'm sorry to hear that and I comfort myself w. food too often too. I'm really happy to hear you went back down so quickly!!

Berta-hope you're down today too!!

I'm at 156.4 today, after a GYCD yesterday (which I thoroughly enjoyed!! love it!!) and I know I was up much higher than that before. I'd like to get back down to 150. I'm working out pretty hard (for me) these days. I don't want to overtrain, but I do love lifting weights. I'm trying to only lift 2-3 days a week, and do HIIT 2-3 days too. I like my new routine and don't find myself making excuses to *not* do it. Which is definietly progress for me.

So, Atkins style induction + GY is the menu this week. Made salsa chicken for the fam last night, so leftovers for lunch. Had a yummy omlette w/ cheese already this morning (strangely hungry this morning - which I think is a good sign). I'm going to try to *listen* to my body better. I am learning more and more about hunger, leptin, society and cultural eating habits (set times, social eating, overeating b/c the food is there, etc.) and working on taking back some of that control and being quiet enough to "hear" my body. We'll see. I'm going to be mindful but not obsessed. I'd like to add more healthy carbs back in long term. I don't plan to stay at induction or even OWL levels for too long. But I do know what Taryl does, that it works. So, I'll work it .

JulieBoy I miss seeing your pretty face when you don't post!Honestly I really do My steak dys worked great!THANK YOU!
I am so happy
I am wondering if CD will work for anyone? It is really a great way to stay within your ideal range. Who would of thought. And also you know... I was thinking yesterday if I can go all day w/o eating until supper then why do I over eat the rest of the time like I have my entire life? I do have self control.Just never really tried useing it before

I am wondering about GY I bought Fage and I like it alot.BUT I noticed it is 0%fat? I looked for full fat but could not find any GY of any Brand around here that had fat in it? Is that normal for GY? I want to make smoothies from it.I put the GY and frozen berries and sugar free coconut milk in it and sometme Splenda and it is just plain

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Hi all... not sure what happened yesterday but today I'm up 3 so I'm doing protein only today to see how that goes. I think its salt since I didnt have any sugar or starch. I had coffee with hwc and I might just do some eggs and or bacon. Good luck everyone on getting back down. =) Lara

Lara
You will get it back off... do a CD they worked for me. I was really concerned and didn't think it would really work but I took off five lbs in 2 days! I think you are beautiful by the way