P3/P4 Simeons Protocol Week of 5/28/12

[Doing It Right]

Lara- Woo Hoo on being in your window! Great Job!

Berta- I'm no expert, but why not do your 3 weeks of P3, then move to P4 before July 1st? This way you could dabble in new foods before you go, and know what you can safely eat in P4 on your trip? You can certainly wait to start your next round and it's ok to be on P4 more than 3 weeks. Unless of course, I misunderstood?

Julie- hope your CD treated you well. Doing a great job working your way back down! I still don't trust myself with IE, though I think it would be a new found freedom from the daily obsession with ****** for me. Lately I feel like I'm still forcing myself to keep calories up, so only eating when hungry is very appealing!


I'm down -1.6 today, I was 128.2 Monday, back to 121 today, with a CD on Monday, and careful eating and a little lower calories the rest of the week. Still so very excited and amazed this is working. It's now been 80 days since HCG, and though it's not always easy, I'm still where I'm supposed to be. Gotta love it!

Anyways, Happy Friday, hope it's a good one!
Tonya

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Im in my window whoop whoop!
I want cheese! lol

YIPPEE FOR YOU LaraSuzz

Originally Posted by Doing It Right

Lara- Woo Hoo on being in your window! Great Job!

Berta- I'm no expert, but why not do your 3 weeks of P3, then move to P4 before July 1st? This way you could dabble in new foods before you go, and know what you can safely eat in P4 on your trip? You can certainly wait to start your next round and it's ok to be on P4 more than 3 weeks. Unless of course, I misunderstood?

Julie- hope your CD treated you well. Doing a great job working your way back down! I still don't trust myself with IE, though I think it would be a new found freedom from the daily obsession with ****** for me. Lately I feel like I'm still forcing myself to keep calories up, so only eating when hungry is very appealing!


I'm down -1.6 today, I was 128.2 Monday, back to 121 today, with a CD on Monday, and careful eating and a little lower calories the rest of the week. Still so very excited and amazed this is working. It's now been 80 days since HCG, and though it's not always easy, I'm still where I'm supposed to be. Gotta love it!

Anyways, Happy Friday, hope it's a good one!
Tonya

Tonya
I think I am going to go ahead and go to PH4 June 9th but that will mean I will be on PH4 until the 3rd or last week of July. I am not sure I will maintain if I start adding in carbs and sweets.I am so afraid every day I have seen those scale creep up point by point and then I end up having to do a stk day. Which I don't mind doing as I Love Stk.I just want to maintain and so far I haven't o that is why I was thinking of doing PH3 longer.IF I wasn't going on vacation next week for four days I would just plain gio back to the HCG.How is a perdon suppose to maintain

I eat nearlly the same food every day.... bacon and eggs for brk, no lunch unless it is an appple or strawberries with WC. For supper it is some kind of meat grilled or baked with some vegetable of my choosing with butter.
For evening snack I have pork rinds or a smoothies with fruit and GY and unsweetended almond or coconut milk.

PH3 is tough!

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Im in my window whoop whoop!
I want cheese! lol

You go girl!! WTG!! And enjoy that cheese

Tonya-glad you're back down too!! You'll be back to the teens soon enough!!

Berta-if you start gaining too much in P4 you can always drop back to P3. That's all part of maintenance. We get to practice in between rounds!! You can dabble in sugar/starch, especially when you eat out, and then correct as often as you need to. You're doing so well!! If you stay on top of it you'll do just fine!!

I didn't make it all the way through my CD yesterday. I don't seem to do well w. CD's.!! I had a burger for lunch, then had an apple on the way home from the store, then some GY w/ strawberries (just really wanted them!!) then we went out to Red Robin (free bday burger expired yesterday so I HAD to go ) and got a bunless bacon cheese burger and ceasar salad. And... I'm down 2 lbs this morning!! It's still a few lbs above where I should be, but I'm working my way back down.

I'm going to just keep working on the intuitive eating, trying not to deprive myself of what I truly want (hopefully keeping LC) and stopping when I'm satisfied. I'm not planning and more CD's but may do a GYCD if I feel like it. They don't seem like work to me.

I need to hit the gym today, but I dont' really want to go. I lifted twice this week, which is my goal, but since we didn't play softball (b/c of the holiday) I should workout again. We'll see. Now older dd is sick. She came home last night from her sleepover party . She's feeling a bit better today, but we'll see how she does.

Have a great Friday all!! I've had eggs so far, but am still hungry (odd for morning). I may have some GY .

[Doing It Right]

Berta- You don't HAVE to add a lot of sugar & starch in P4. I'm on day 41, I added corn & pineapple... that's it, and both in my first week. I have eaten out (Mexican) a few times, and gained, but a CD always gets me back down... sometimes over a few days. You could just add more veggies & fruit & try out the nut flours. Just do 1 thing at a time and see how your body reacts, just like P3. Good foods to start with... sweet potatoes, black beans, spaghetti squash, corn, carrots, peas, and some of the higher sugar fruits. Btw, pork skins always make me gain b/c of the sodium, but it's just water, and comes back off.

Your doing great, and any where in your window is stable. Cd's are simply to keep us there, while we explore the foods our body likes. HTH

Tonya

[Doing It Right]

Julie- Good job! You didn't finish the CD, and still lost 2!!! Woo Hoo!!! Just keep it clean, you'll keep dropping. I lost 4 Monday, after my GY day, and continued to lose another 4 over the next 4 days. KUTGW

[Berta48]

Thanks Julie
I am really thinking it will work best for my life and vacations if I go back to PH2 June 9th instead of PH4. Tonya mentions that so is it ok? Not to mis trust her but that really sounds ideal for me. As I would be on PH3 this next week then the 9th I could go to PH2 until July 14th... then back to PH3 when we go to Wichita for about six days.I don't want to be on PH2 then.I would rather be on PH2 while at home.

You are really doing good.It is hard for me as I have never watched how my body reacts to anything If I wanted it I ate it!
I am trying a GY with Frozen strawberries and unsweetened almond milk and a bit of WC. for breakfst today.It is 12:35 and I sitll haven't had my breakfast!

[Doing It Right]

Berta- I NEVER said I thought is was ok to go back to P2 on June 9th!!!! Maybe your thinking of someone else? If I were you, I would go to P4, eat more starchy veggies & fruit, try a little starch or sugar, but not together until you know how your body reacts. See my post above (3 before this one). Don't cheat yourself out of P4, it's all about the journey of P2, P3 & P4. If you do it all per protocol, you will learn so much about what you can and can't eat to maintain.

Tonya

[julieboolie]

Berta/Tonya-It was cruzcrazy I think. I'm w/ Tonya, I don't think for your first round skipping P4 is a good idea. It's not the end of the world if you do "cycle" (what they call going back to P2 before full P3/P4) and don't get great results. But wasting all that time and suffering through a failed P2, is very discouraging and expensive. I'd enjoy P4 through your vaca and then do a clean P2 when you're back from Whichita (sp?). Just my $0.02.

Berta-whatever your diet experiences in the past, this "new you" is smart, in control and successful!! you've done 1 round well, are preparing for another round, and maintaining beautifully in between! Be happy, proud and encouraged!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Doing It Right

Berta- I NEVER said I thought is was ok to go back to P2 on June 9th!!!! Maybe your thinking of someone else? If I were you, I would go to P4, eat more starchy veggies & fruit, try a little starch or sugar, but not together until you know how your body reacts. See my post above (3 before this one). Don't cheat yourself out of P4, it's all about the journey of P2, P3 & P4. If you do it all per protocol, you will learn so much about what you can and can't eat to maintain.

Tonya

I sincerely apoplogizeYou are right it was Marie that stated she thought I should go back to PH2 after vacation. But then she said she thought I was farther along on PH3 than I am.

Man this get s so confusing sometimes!I truly do apologize.I hope you will accept them

I get my boards mixed up somtimes too.Perhaps I need to stick with just
PH&4 thread.That will probably help some of my confusion as every usually has a different opinon.
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[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Doing It Right

Berta- I NEVER said I thought is was ok to go back to P2 on June 9th!!!! Maybe your thinking of someone else? If I were you, I would go to P4, eat more starchy veggies & fruit, try a little starch or sugar, but not together until you know how your body reacts. See my post above (3 before this one). Don't cheat yourself out of P4, it's all about the journey of P2, P3 & P4. If you do it all per protocol, you will learn so much about what you can and can't eat to maintain.

Tonya

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Berta/Tonya-It was cruzcrazy I think. I'm w/ Tonya, I don't think for your first round skipping P4 is a good idea. It's not the end of the world if you do "cycle" (what they call going back to P2 before full P3/P4) and don't get great results. But wasting all that time and suffering through a failed P2, is very discouraging and expensive. I'd enjoy P4 through your vaca and then do a clean P2 when you're back from Whichita (sp?). Just my $0.02.

Berta-whatever your diet experiences in the past, this "new you" is smart, in control and successful!! you've done 1 round well, are preparing for another round, and maintaining beautifully in between! Be happy, proud and encouraged!

AWWWWThank you

Yes it was a different thread.I am staying with PH3&4 thread from here on out.It just gets to confusing for me my first time around.I really am not stupid.It is just this is ALL new to me.

And the thing is I am soon to be 64 yrs old, I have Diabetes 2 and I have been fat my entire life.Never once have I been thin.Well perhaps 33yrs ago... I lost 70 lbs on WW. So I could have a baby.She is now soon to be 34.

And she has done so well with RXHCG that I know it works.Therefore before the Lord takes me home I would like to be like to just look like a normal person. I don't care about being a size 6 or 8 or even 12 but 14 sounds really good to me.Especially since I am a size 22.But I use to be size 24.
I want this more than any thing in this world. As hace tried MANY different plans and vever stuck to them because of the slow progress.
So I have decided to go on to PH4 until we get back from Wichita.Then I will do another round of PH2 with the RX HCG I ordered online.

I honestly do thank you for being so helpful you Tonya nad everyone that has offered their advice.It is just nice when my advisers agree with one another that way it doesn't make it so hard for me to understand. Hopefully next round I can advise others

[Arctic_Mama]

Hey ladies, sorry for the drive by! I was 168.4 this morning, all is well, right on plan. See ya!

[Doing It Right]

Berta- no worries! It's ok, I read all the threads so I know you've gotten many answers. We support you no matter what direction you choose to go. I only wanted you to see you could do P4 without adding bunches of unhealthy food back in. If I were going on vacation, I would want to be on P4, so that I had a few more options when eating out, otherwise I'd gain 15lbs in 5 days, and round 2 would be to lose the same weight again. Been there done that!

You should be so proud, as we all are of you! You've done great with round 1. Yes, you ask lots of questions, and yes it's ok. I didn't (like many others) during round 1, and had no clue what to do in p3/P4. That alone would have helped to not gain the weight back. Good for you for taking the time to learn and be successful with HCG! You'll make that size 14 before you know it!

Tonya

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Hey ladies, sorry for the drive by! I was 168.4 this morning, all is well, right on plan. See ya!

HEY YOU.... GET BACK BACK HERE I MISS SEEING YOU

Originally Posted by Doing It Right

Berta- no worries! It's ok, I read all the threads so I know you've gotten many answers. We support you no matter what direction you choose to go. I only wanted you to see you could do P4 without adding bunches of unhealthy food back in. If I were going on vacation, I would want to be on P4, so that I had a few more options when eating out, otherwise I'd gain 15lbs in 5 days, and round 2 would be to lose the same weight again. Been there done that!

You should be so proud, as we all are of you! You've done great with round 1. Yes, you ask lots of questions, and yes it's ok. I didn't (like many others) during round 1, and had no clue what to do in p3/P4. That alone would have helped to not gain the weight back. Good for you for taking the time to learn and be successful with HCG! You'll make that size 14 before you know it!

Tonya

Thank you so much You ladies are the best
I want to do it right.I don't want to have do it all over again once is enough.
I know if I do it by the book I should have it off by this time next year or maybe a bit longer!And to me and for me that is worth staying with Protocol! So this is one year I want to go by fast

[LaraSuzz]

Is broccoli high in carbs? I'm up 3 because of brocccoli soup dangit. Thats the only think that it could have been. Steak day tomorrow maybe.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Is broccoli high in carbs? I'm up 3 because of brocccoli soup dangit. Thats the only think that it could have been. Steak day tomorrow maybe.

SO sorry LaraSuzz
It is so aggravating isn't it?I was up 1lb this morning and I had nothing but
bacon & eggs, GY w Strawberries,turkey leg and faux cauliflower mashed taters with cream cheese and butter, 2oz of unsalted mixed nuts and very few pork rinds.I've been eating nothing different there except the turkey leg

I go on vacation four - five days starting Tuesday and I do not want to have to do a stk day then.But they do work that's for sure.I I am like you though I don't want to have to do them I want to stabelize

[Doing It Right]

Looks like we are all in good company, I'm up 2 today (dang pistachio's), still in my window... but barely.

Sorry about the broc Lara, maybe it was sodium or some kind of thickener?

Berta- the sodium in Pork Rinds gets me everytime

Keep it clean today ladies!

Tonya

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by Berta48

SO sorry LaraSuzz
It is so aggravating isn't it?I was up 1lb this morning and I had nothing but
bacon & eggs, GY w Strawberries,turkey leg and faux cauliflower mashed taters with cream cheese and butter, 2oz of unsalted mixed nuts and very few pork rinds.I've been eating nothing different there except the turkey legI go on vacation four - five days starting Tuesday and I do not want to have to do a stk day then.But they do work that's for sure.I I am like you though I don't want to have to do them I want to stabelize

I think that pork rhinds have either monosodium glutimate (MSG) dextrose and tortula yeast... or some combo of those that can cause a gain... I love pork rhinds !

Originally Posted by Doing It Right

Looks like we are all in good company, I'm up 2 today (dang pistachio's), still in my window... but barely.
Sorry about the broc Lara, maybe it was sodium or some kind of thickener?
Berta- the sodium in Pork Rinds gets me everytime
Keep it clean today ladies!
Tonya

I made the soup with broc cream and some pecorino romano... so dunno what it could be... booo.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

I think that pork rhinds have either monosodium glutimate (MSG) dextrose and tortula yeast... or some combo of those that can cause a gain... I love pork rhinds !


I made the soup with broc cream and some pecorino romano... so dunno what it could be... booo.

MMMM I don't think to look for that stuff in the ingredients I look for carbs and sugar or dextrose etc.I'll have to check that out.If it has dextrose no more of them cause that's sugar
We are going to an Amish Country store in a few minutes and they have the best fried green beans and squash and no breading or anything like that just fried and they are crunchy and the beans are whole, the squash is sliced no salt either we love them.I haven't eaten any this round but we have had them before.I think I will buy some today and that way I can have something crunchy

We'll get this thing figured out one of these days.These bodies of ours are a very complicated thing.I wish you the best

I jut looked at my EMPTY (three day of eating them) Pork Rinds the ingredients have prk skin and salt.that's it!!! So when I buy the BBq one or Hot N Spicey I will ckeck to make sure ther'es no MSG or DEXTROSE.Thanks for the heads up

I just found this for you Lara Suzz HIH>.

Carbs in broccoli
Here are both raw and cooked (steamed or boiled) examples.
There are:
1.9 carbs in 1 ounce or 28g of raw broccoli
2 carbs in 1 ounce or 28g of cooked broccoli
3 carbs in a ½ cup of raw chopped broccoli (2. 8oz or 78g)
6 carbs in a ½ cup of cooked chopped broccoli (2. 8oz or 78g)
10 carbs in 1 small stalk of cooked broccoli (5 inch long)
13 carbs in 1 medium stalk of cooked broccoli (7 ½ to 8 inches)
20 carbs in 1 large stalk of cooked broccoli (11 to 12 inches)

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by Berta48

MMMM I don't think to look for that stuff in the ingredients I look for carbs and sugar or dextrose etc.I'll have to check that out.If it has dextrose no more of them cause that's sugar
We are going to an Amish Country store in a few minutes and they have the best fried green beans and squash and no breading or anything like that just fried and they are crunchy and the beans are whole, the squash is sliced no salt either we love them.I haven't eaten any this round but we have had them before.I think I will buy some today and that way I can have something crunchy

We'll get this thing figured out one of these days.These bodies of ours are a very complicated thing.I wish you the best

I jut looked at my EMPTY (three day of eating them) Pork Rinds the ingredients have prk skin and salt.that's it!!! So when I buy the BBq one or Hot N Spicey I will ckeck to make sure ther'es no MSG or DEXTROSE.Thanks for the heads up

I just found this for you Lara Suzz HIH>.

Carbs in broccoli
Here are both raw and cooked (steamed or boiled) examples.
There are:
1.9 carbs in 1 ounce or 28g of raw broccoli
2 carbs in 1 ounce or 28g of cooked broccoli
3 carbs in a ½ cup of raw chopped broccoli (2. 8oz or 78g)
6 carbs in a ½ cup of cooked chopped broccoli (2. 8oz or 78g)
10 carbs in 1 small stalk of cooked broccoli (5 inch long)
13 carbs in 1 medium stalk of cooked broccoli (7 ½ to 8 inches)
20 carbs in 1 large stalk of cooked broccoli (11 to 12 inches)

hmm thats not much carbs, wonder what it could have been...
I wish I could find those sf starch free pork rhinds!!
ty Berta
Lara

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

hmm thats not much carbs, wonder what it could have been...
I wish I could find those sf starch free pork rhinds!!
ty Berta
Lara

I bought them at Hyvee and WalMart has them or if you have an Aldis

Netrition sells Pork rinds too.But haven't checked the nutrition or ingredients.

Mine were Bakenetts(SP) Brand.

[Arctic_Mama]

I'd guess it might be the salt, Berta. Either that or just one of those weird, inexplicable fluctuations that will come off on its' own soon enough.

Lara, I don't see anything suspect in the soup, either, unless you're like me and too much dairy causes water retention (boo food sensitivities!).

This morning I appear to have finally shed my ovulatory water retention and was down to 167.4, which is the lowest I've been since the 72 hour transition off hCG. I'm really happy with that and another two pounds down would be even better. But either way I am below my LDW for the first time in over a month and glad for it! Continuing on with induction until 165 or a dietary transition due to either another P2 or pregnancy. I've got another two weeks before I'll know, at the earliest.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I'd guess it might be the salt, Berta. Either that or just one of those weird, inexplicable fluctuations that will come off on its' own soon enough.

Lara, I don't see anything suspect in the soup, either, unless you're like me and too much dairy causes water retention (boo food sensitivities!).

This morning I appear to have finally shed my ovulatory water retention and was down to 167.4, which is the lowest I've been since the 72 hour transition off hCG. I'm really happy with that and another two pounds down would be even better. But either way I am below my LDW for the first time in over a month and glad for it! Continuing on with induction until 165 or a dietary transition due to either another P2 or pregnancy. I've got another two weeks before I'll know, at the earliest.

Thanks Taryl
I will back off the pork rinds for now then. Also I just asked on the main menu.But do you know what dextrin is? Is it ok in PH3 to eat things with that in it? NOT Maltrodextrin just palin dextrin.

I did a web search and all I could find was it's a stiffner.So I wnted to know for sure.(you know me I ask before I eat)

And CONGRATULATIONS on that loss. KUTGW. I'm PROUD of you!!!:high5
DH and I ate out today for lunch and I had a side salad and cheese burger on lettuce no bun with tom,onion, dill pickle,swiss cheese(NO BUN). I did not eat the soup because I could taste the sugar in it?Never before had I ever noticed that and we have eaten there many times before toaday. So there are changes taking place within me even if for the moment it isn't weight loss

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by Doing It Right

Looks like we are all in good company, I'm up 2 today (dang pistachio's), still in my window... but barely.

Sorry about the broc Lara, maybe it was sodium or some kind of thickener?

Berta- the sodium in Pork Rinds gets me everytime

Keep it clean today ladies!

Tonya

Pistachios will do it, but they're SO yummy

[Arctic_Mama]

Berta - I'm pretty sure dextrin is a starch filler, and may be used to cot the pork rinds and keep them dry/crispy (like a desiccant, of sorts). Just speculation on the function in that product, though...

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Berta - I'm pretty sure dextrin is a starch filler, and may be used to cot the pork rinds and keep them dry/crispy (like a desiccant, of sorts). Just speculation on the function in that product, though...

So is it ik to eat? It wasn't on Pork Rinds it was on the fried veggies I bought today at the Amish Country Store we went to.I bought squash and green beans.No breading just fried in non hydrogenated canola oil and then it had Dextrin on the ingredients list and that's what was in the ingredients.
They are so deliciousAnd crunchy like a chip

[Doing It Right]

Taryl- Great job getting back to below LDW, Woo Hoo!!!

Lara- Hope that gain is gone today... prob wasn't the soup, just a normal fluctuation

Berta- Your green beans and squash sound delicious!

I'm down 1.2 today after the pistachio's from Friday night. Puts me at LDW +.4, I'll take it.

Have a blessed Sunday all!
Tonya

[Arctic_Mama]

Great job, Tonya! Those pistachios were mean to you

Berta, I really do think it is essentially a breading ingredient or at least a starch, but there is probably so little of it that it isn't a big deal. Watch the scale and if it doesn't bounce you're home free.


This morning I am 168.4, which is great given that I ate *cough*tenparmesanchickenwingsfordinner*cough*.

Yummy and worth it, I'd say! I have had a heck of a time getting my TTap in the past three days and that's a bummer, but I usually take the weekend off anyway, so tomorrow I will make a concerted effort, before a meeting I have in the evening, to get in the full workout as intended.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Is broccoli high in carbs? I'm up 3 because of brocccoli soup dangit. Thats the only think that it could have been. Steak day tomorrow maybe.

It could be that danged "2-day effect". Which means what you ate the day before the broccoli soup, not necessarily the broccoli soup. However, I did notice that the closer I got to my goal weight I could tolerate less and less cream cheese and I love those cream cheese muffins Hope you are back in your window!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Great job, Tonya! Those pistachios were mean to you

Berta, I really do think it is essentially a breading ingredient or at least a starch, but there is probably so little of it that it isn't a big deal. Watch the scale and if it doesn't bounce you're home free.


This morning I am 168.4, which is great given that I ate *cough*tenparmesanchickenwingsfordinner*cough*.

Yummy and worth it, I'd say! I have had a heck of a time getting my TTap in the past three days and that's a bummer, but I usually take the weekend off anyway, so tomorrow I will make a concerted effort, before a meeting I have in the evening, to get in the full workout as intended.

WELLLLL I am not home free.Doesn't seem I can eat anything different other than meat and veggies and I gain.I am up 1.4 still in my LDW window but only by .2lbs I don't know what to do here we are going on vac. Tuesday. SO I am doing a stk CD tomorrow. How am I ever going to maintain? This is really hard!I will never be able to add starch and sugar back in my eating.

The Dextrin is a starch I looked it up again on another site and I put in the most Horrific night I have had in a long time.

Ends up I am allergic to Dextrin!My hands and feet started itching so bad I was about to go crazy.My DH even ask me if I wanted to go to the ER.
The palms of my hands were blood red and I was scraping my feet on the carpet like crazy and took a cool shower and took some Benadryl and that didn't even help.I mean I was miserable so guess what? NO MORE FRIED GREENIE BEANNIES for this gal!!!I had pain below my middle breast bone and took Mylanta and it did help that burning sensation in that area!

My DH finally rememebered he had some lotion for itching
and I put some of it on and it stopped for around 15-20 min.So I fell asleep in my recliner(because I was scratching so badly he couldn't get to sleep) and when I woke up it had stopped itching

[Arctic_Mama]

Yikes about the itching! I thought it wasa starch, and a processed one at that, but the allergies are the pits . Better to know now, so you can watch for it in the future, though.

As for stabilizing, I honestly believe it was because of the issues you had your whole round with hhCG, improper/weak loading, and such. You just didn't reset and stabilize. A clean, by the books round on protocol with real hCG should alleviate those issues, but you're going to have to tough it out in the meantime, I'm afraid. Still, all is not lost for the long term, especially since you are doing more rounds and can stabilize better in the future.