CD RND1 PH3 HELP

[Berta48]

I was up 2lbs over my LDW Sat morning. I did a stk & cheese CD. TODAY SUN I am up ANOTHER lb! What am I suppose to do now?Please HELP.

[Cruzcrzy]

Berta,

I am not familiar with the Steak AND CHEESE CD. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just have never read about the cheese part. If I were you, I would eat very clean today, or do a egg CD day. I would be inclined not to do two CD's in a row though. I would eat lower calories(not to your BMR) very clean, protein/veggies, lots of water. Don't panic. It's okay. This is life, and learning to adjust to your new lifestyle change.

[dawnyama]

I have not heard about this CD either! I have heard of a steak day, an apple and cheese day, but not a steak and cheese day. Cheese is high in sodium so I don't think that a steak and cheese day is a good combo. Where did you hear of this one Berta?

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I have not heard about this CD either! I have heard of a steak day, an apple and cheese day, but not a steak and cheese day. Cheese is high in sodium so I don't think that a steak and cheese day is a good combo. Where did you hear of this one Berta?

I am on my way to church so gotta hurry.Thanks for replying so soon I panicked when I was up again!

I read it on HCG thread this site PH3 information page 2 Low carb Friends.

The person is told to eat 2 eggs for breakfast a huge steak for lunch and dinner followed by a large helping of cheese. There was a little more but that is the basis of what it said.

[shelbyla]

I agree with the above. If I recall correctly, a steak and cheese day is for protein deprivation at the end of P2, NOT a cd. Also those "huge" steaks probably weight a lot and if you haven't had a visit from Bernice, that could be why.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I agree with the above. If I recall correctly, a steak and cheese day is for protein deprivation at the end of P2, NOT a cd. Also those "huge" steaks probably weight a lot and if you haven't had a visit from Bernice, that could be why.

That is what I remember. Cheese is for protein deprivation, not a CD. The difference is the edema. If one is up in scale weight, you do a steak day. No cheese!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

That is what I remember. Cheese is for protein deprivation, not a CD. The difference is the edema. If one is up in scale weight, you do a steak day. No cheese!

Then they need to post that in the right thread.Someone new as I am has no idea what is right or wrong.
So NOW what should I do?I saw a hamburger with an egg on top 2x a day for a CD somewhere on this site for HCG?

Should I eat right today and do a CD tomorrow?I really don't want to do one tomorrow as it's Memorial Day and having company.Will Tuesday be ok for a CD?

[dawnyama]

I would do a typical steak day as written in Pounds and Inches. But if you put it off, it will take a few days, or longer to get the weight down. Dr Simeon's says that you can diet to get the weight off, but it will take a while to get it down. That is why he gives us the steak day....for the instant gratification. What you do is up to you!

[C'Marie]

The steak, egg, and cheese day is for use when there is edema, obvious as in the ankles etc, for protein deprivation. I would seriously drink tons of water today. You could easily get a 2-day effect where the water whooshes out of you if that is the case. Either do a steak CD today or eat lightly.

I have used the steak, egg, and cheese day for specific purposes successfully but it is not the same as the tried and true steak correction day. For instance, I used it when coming home after flying where I was very swollen in the legs.

[Berta48]

Thanks for all the tips
It's to late today to do a steak day.But will do it tomorow.Nothing else left to do now.
I hate this!I tried so hard on PH2 to do right.Then I get to this PH and gain. I am up five lbs .I was two under my LDW and now 2.2 above

[Arctic_Mama]

This is one of the reasons I am such a stickler on reading, understanding, and following Pounds and Inches, much to the annoyance of some other members . We can get in such trouble if we do not stabilize correctly and follow the rules closely, and MOST of the hCG information on the Internet (and a fair bit on this board, to be fair) does not follow the protocol as written. Some people have no trouble with these altered instructions, but I've seen a whole lot of gals battle regains and do it with frightening speed because of errors in their diet.

Fortunately these are correctable and another round can always be done, better than the previous, if stabilization doesn't happen. But it might help you to always check advice you get against the Pounds and Inches manuscript, just to make sure they agree. If you find it confusing, print a copy and start annotating it and highlighting pertinent instructions. I have read the protocol several times and still regularly have to refer back to clarify - there is a LOT of information packed in there!

For a correction day, a large steak (generally between 16-24 oz) is eaten with an apple OR tomato for dinner, after maintaining a fast all day (I try not to eat my steak before 3:00 in the afternoon, if I can). This is the only correction day mentioned in Pounds and Inches.

Other correction days are offered in an ebook from the site Happily Thinner After, called "Alternate Correction Days". They are not protocol but have been tested out by hCG clients and many work quite well, some more than others. That would be the other place to find a correction day if a steak day is untenable.

Everything else is trial and error and your results may vary wildly (as you discovered with doing steak and cheese). You're better off picking a reliable source like the protocol or strict protocol-adhering supplementary documents (Harmony Clearwater Grace has been a great help to me with her hCG books) and then just asking clarifying questions on boards like this, than getting any substantial amount of information. Most of us just have our own bodies and experiences to draw from, and it is going to be a crapshoot as to how well that advice will apply to you. It's easy to get confusing information and overload from the Internet, so throttling your sources down to a few and reliable one's is just a safer bet, especially with something as challenging and specific as the hCG protocol.

We're always here to help, but the Internet is full of bad information. Caveat Emptor, right?

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

This is one of the reasons I am such a stickler on reading, understanding, and following Pounds and Inches, much to the annoyance of some other members . We can get in such trouble if we do not stabilize correctly and follow the rules closely, and MOST of the hCG information on the Internet (and a fair bit on this board, to be fair) does not follow the protocol as written. Some people have no trouble with these altered instructions, but I've seen a whole lot of gals battle regains and do it with frightening speed because of errors in their diet.

Fortunately these are correctable and another round can always be done, better than the previous, if stabilization doesn't happen. But it might help you to always check advice you get against the Pounds and Inches manuscript, just to make sure they agree. If you find it confusing, print a copy and start annotating it and highlighting pertinent instructions. I have read the protocol several times and still regularly have to refer back to clarify - there is a LOT of information packed in there!

For a correction day, a large steak (generally between 16-24 oz) is eaten with an apple OR tomato for dinner, after maintaining a fast all day (I try not to eat my steak before 3:00 in the afternoon, if I can). This is the only correction day mentioned in Pounds and Inches.

Other correction days are offered in an ebook from the site Happily Thinner After, called "Alternate Correction Days". They are not protocol but have been tested out by hCG clients and many work quite well, some more than others. That would be the other place to find a correction day if a steak day is untenable.

Everything else is trial and error and your results may vary wildly (as you discovered with doing steak and cheese). You're better off picking a reliable source like the protocol or strict protocol-adhering supplementary documents (Harmony Clearwater Grace has been a great help to me with her hCG books) and then just asking clarifying questions on boards like this, than getting any substantial amount of information. Most of us just have our own bodies and experiences to draw from, and it is going to be a crapshoot as to how well that advice will apply to you. It's easy to get confusing information and overload from the Internet, so throttling your sources down to a few and reliable one's is just a safer bet, especially with something as challenging and specific as the hCG protocol.

We're always here to help, but the Internet is full of bad information. Caveat Emptor, right?

Thank you
My DD is here today and she said exactly the very same thing to me. I have the DR.Simeon Pounds and Inches Manuscript so from here on out it will be followed by that and that ONLY! Lesson learned. SO how many steak days do I do? Do I do them until I am back to my LDW or every other day till back to LDW?

[Arctic_Mama]

I would not do more than two in a row before taking a day break on a high fat, moderate protein, low carb day of normal P3 eating rules and calories. Then resume another steak day if needed. If you need more than two or three correction days in a row, it is time to employ 'strict dieting' as Simeons recommends. He gives no further definition, but for me that turns out to be slight calorie restriction and Atkins induction (ketosis), essentially, until I am back inside my window.

Works like a charm . Most of the time a steak day or two will suffice if the gain is a quick jump up overnight and not a week or two of creep, like the holidays.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I would not do more than two in a row before taking a day break on a high fat, moderate protein, low carb day of normal P3 eating rules and calories. Then resume another steak day if needed. If you need more than two or three correction days in a row, it is time to employ 'strict dieting' as Simeons recommends. He gives no further definition, but for me that turns out to be slight calorie restriction and Atkins induction (ketosis), essentially, until I am back inside my window.

Works like a charm . Most of the time a steak day or two will suffice if the gain is a quick jump up overnight and not a week or two of creep, like the holidays.

Thanks I will do a DR.S Steak day tomorrow and see what I weigh on Tuesday!And go from there,

[C'Marie]

Not to argue with my friend Taryl, who always (rightly so) advocates sticking to strict protocol, but a steak egg and cheese day is mentioned in Pounds and Inches. It is in the original manuscript, in the section where he talks about people continuing to diet without the hcg because they are afraid, and gaining water weight from undereating. It is to be used for protein deprivation water gain. It's there, but apparently people use it for other types of corrections and it may not work. I used it a couple of times for strictly water weight gains when it was obvious. I followed it up with a couple lean days to finish the water retention problem. If you pulled that particular CD from somewhere it may have not been clarified as to when you would use it, thus the confusion. Don't beat yourself up. You can get back on track. Go back to basics. And Taryl's right - re-read that dang manuscript. I always do before starting another round. Getting ready to do one now!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Not to argue with my friend Taryl, who always (rightly so) advocates sticking to strict protocol, but a steak egg and cheese day is mentioned in Pounds and Inches. It is in the original manuscript, in the section where he talks about people continuing to diet without the hcg because they are afraid, and gaining water weight from undereating. It is to be used for protein deprivation water gain. It's there, but apparently people use it for other types of corrections and it may not work. I used it a couple of times for strictly water weight gains when it was obvious. I followed it up with a couple lean days to finish the water retention problem. If you pulled that particular CD from somewhere it may have not been clarified as to when you would use it, thus the confusion. Don't beat yourself up. You can get back on track. Go back to basics. And Taryl's right - re-read that dang manuscript. I always do before starting another round. Getting ready to do one now!

Thanks C Marie
I am real discouraged right now though.I was down to 254.6 now I am 260.8 I have gained a little every day since starting PH3.
My LDW was 256.6. So that's nearly five lbs over. I am doing a steak day today ONE steak at supper follwed by an apple or tomato.I will drink alot of fluids today and see what happens in the morning.

[shelbyla]

Good luck with your steak day today, Berta! Drink your water, keep your eye on the prize, and you will be fine. Have you checked out the actual list of cd's that people use around here? It's in the short form sticky. HCG diet short form I'm a BIG fan of the roasted chicken thigh day... Of course, here, on my last day of P2, chicken thighs sound like sheer heaven!

[Arctic_Mama]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

Not to argue with my friend Taryl, who always (rightly so) advocates sticking to strict protocol, but a steak egg and cheese day is mentioned in Pounds and Inches. It is in the original manuscript, in the section where he talks about people continuing to diet without the hcg because they are afraid, and gaining water weight from undereating. It is to be used for protein deprivation water gain. It's there, but apparently people use it for other types of corrections and it may not work. I used it a couple of times for strictly water weight gains when it was obvious. I followed it up with a couple lean days to finish the water retention problem. If you pulled that particular CD from somewhere it may have not been clarified as to when you would use it, thus the confusion. Don't beat yourself up. You can get back on track. Go back to basics. And Taryl's right - re-read that dang manuscript. I always do before starting another round. Getting ready to do one now!

Oh yes, I wasn't disagreeing with the other posters that the day is mentioned for those who are tracking their intake and can reasonably be assumed to have hunger edema relating to a protein deficiency. But Berta's symptoms didn't seem to indicate that and the gains confirms that edema due to nutritional deficiencies isn't the problem

And I swear I should have Pound and Inches memorized by now, from how often I refer back to it and reread, but I constantly have to check and clarify, especially as I am giving advice to others . There's just a lot of information in there!

Berta, enjoy the heck out of your steak tonight and I hope this helps you correct! Some of the gain from the day before, at the very least, should be departing the scene with the diuretic effects of the fast and apple, and the steak should be mentally satisfying, if nothing else.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Good luck with your steak day today, Berta! Drink your water, keep your eye on the prize, and you will be fine. Have you checked out the actual list of cd's that people use around here? It's in the short form sticky. HCG diet short form I'm a BIG fan of the roasted chicken thigh day... Of course, here, on my last day of P2, chicken thighs sound like sheer heaven!

YES
I have read it and just now copied it off. But none are DR S. except the ONE Steak day right? Anyway that is the one I chose this time. Thanks so much,
what if I am still not at my LDW in the morning

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Oh yes, I wasn't disagreeing with the other posters that the day is mentioned for those who are tracking their intake and can reasonably be assumed to have hunger edema relating to a protein deficiency. But Berta's symptoms didn't seem to indicate that and the gains confirms that edema due to nutritional deficiencies isn't the problem

And I swear I should have Pound and Inches memorized by now, from how often I refer back to it and reread, but I constantly have to check and clarify, especially as I am giving advice to others . There's just a lot of information in there!

Berta, enjoy the heck out of your steak tonight and I hope this helps you correct! Some of the gain from the day before, at the very least, should be departing the scene with the diuretic effects of the fast and apple, and the steak should be mentally satisfying, if nothing else.

Thank you
I will I am sure wanting to eat it is only 1:30 and I am pretty hungry... but will have some coffee.
I did have tea but no coffee as I didn't think I should have the creamer?

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Good luck with your steak day today, Berta! Drink your water, keep your eye on the prize, and you will be fine. Have you checked out the actual list of cd's that people use around here? It's in the short form sticky. HCG diet short form I'm a BIG fan of the roasted chicken thigh day... Of course, here, on my last day of P2, chicken thighs sound like sheer heaven!

I'm wondering BEFORE I drink coffee.It says on the short form you can have cream with coffee or tea.Then the last sentence of the STK Day says no dairy? Which one is it please?

[dawnyama]

Berta--I have had several steak days in my many rounds. I did one with coffee throughout the day, I usually drink 3 cups and I am heavy on the cream. I then decided to do my next one without coffee to see if I could lose more without the cream. I lost the same. So my conclusion--for ME---I can have my coffee on steak days!!! It really helps me squelch the hunger on a steak day, the only way I can do one actually! I have done it with tea that one time, but it was hard. Anyhow, my advice...go ahead and have the cream in your coffee. I also have a TBL of butter on my steak when I eat it. I don't cut the fat out when doing a steak day. I have also heard that a raw tomato yields better results than the apple so I try my best to have a tomato on hand for those steak days. I normally have to run to the store when I have a steak day, not for the steak but for a tomato. But it is worth it!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Berta--I have had several steak days in my many rounds. I did one with coffee throughout the day, I usually drink 3 cups and I am heavy on the cream. I then decided to do my next one without coffee to see if I could lose more without the cream. I lost the same. So my conclusion--for ME---I can have my coffee on steak days!!! It really helps me squelch the hunger on a steak day, the only way I can do one actually! I have done it with tea that one time, but it was hard. Anyhow, my advice...go ahead and have the cream in your coffee. I also have a TBL of butter on my steak when I eat it. I don't cut the fat out when doing a steak day. I have also heard that a raw tomato yields better results than the apple so I try my best to have a tomato on hand for those steak days. I normally have to run to the store when I have a steak day, not for the steak but for a tomato. But it is worth it!

Thanks Dawn
I know I am probably being a big baby but I am so disappointed.... here I was at 254 my lowest in many years and now after only ten days of PH3
I am 260.8 BUT nmy LDW was 256.6. I will have my coffee then as I am really craving it.Thank you so much.

Now if I am not at my LDW in the morning what do I do? Wait or do another CD? I think I may have ask someone before but not certain(senior moments come and go ya know)

Also is there a way you can give me a web site or a copy of Dr. Simeeons plan I only have the ones here on the board.There are many out there that say they are Dr. S plan but when I read them I don't think they really are becasue the are so conflicting!

[Arctic_Mama]

If you private message me, Berta, and send me your email I will forward a copy of the PDF manuscript for P&I that is unaltered and clean, so you can just print it off and have a paper copy on hand.

As for coffee, I have done steak days with and without. I limit it to one cup with 1 tbsp heavy cream and 2 tbsp sugar free coffee syrup, and have had no discernible differences in my losses. But that is not strictly protocol, and it you are sensitive to dairy or sugar alcohols it may be a problem.