Weight-Loss Apocalypse

[LCandee]

Has anybody read the book "Weight-Loss Apocalypse" by Robin Phipps Woodall?

Robin takes the Simeons hCG protocol and hypothesizes how Leptin may be the missing key as to why the protocol works! Then uses the hunger scale instead of a specific calorie count. Good stuff!

"Simeons’ findings left many questions unanswered, and science uncharted by the refuting research of his protocol. Based on the evidence I’ve presented, hCG isn’t burning fat, it doesn’t directly reduce the appetite, and it doesn’t stimulate the metabolism. Rather, it is the energy demand of the protocol, combined with how hCG influences leptin, in the brain and body, that allows the body to metabolize fat and function as if fed, when food is not available." ~ Robin Phipps Woodall

Introduction to Leptin:

HOW HCG PREVENTS STARVATION DURING THE 500 CALORIE PROTOCOL...

[Gilded Lily]

Interesting. I know a couple of people that have read or are reading the book.

[dawnyama]

I have book on my Kindle!! I am in the middle of reading it now. Dreamchaser has posted a few of her youtube videos for us to look into. Thanks for sharing yours too.

[Gilded Lily]

Hi Dawn. I was actually thinking of you and Tammy as I read this.

[dawnyama]

I know Have you read the first little bit they allow on amazon? So inspiring. It will get you going on P2 if your motivation is lacking for sure!

[LCandee]

There is also a book club discussion group on Facebook. I don't know if I'm allowed to post the link?

[minimonkey]

This looks really interesting! I will be following along with this discussion.

[shelbyla]

I think I need to buy this book. According to a review on amazon, the first half is about the connection to emotional eating but the last half is a continuation of Simeons' work from a medical perspective. Interested in both. Hopefully they will have it for Nook...

[LCandee]

Eating to the HUNGER SCALE is the key. Do not force feed especially at the beginning of a protocol. As abnormal fat stores are depleted, protocol food (especially protein) may have to be increases to satisfy hunger.

Just google MIT Hunger Scale and print off and stay within a 3-6. It works! And is a lifetime tool. Imagine that!

Robin has a YouTube Channel (Weight-Loss Apocalypse in the search box) where she has teaching videos plus counselling sessions with clients in her MN clinic. She calls this "Emotional Eating Rehab", which takes the diet mentality out of the Simeons hCG Protocol.

[Felina]

I have been watching ms. Woodall's videos after Dreamchaser posted the YouTube link. They are all excellent, but this one explains everything. I have been to many Drs who all advocate the CICO theory and I could never get any answers.

Wow. Just, wow.

Thank you LCandee for posting and thank you Ms. Woodall for sharing your knowledge on YouTube.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by LCandee

There is also a book club discussion group on Facebook. I don't know if I'm allowed to post the link?

I found it Thank you so much for posting all this! Despite having the book, I don't understand it all. I am in chapter 6 and have no clue about what she is talking about. Well, I do. All I am getting out of it is that you will have to subject yourself to practical isolation if you want to keep your weight off. Not very good motivation if you are on P2 She keeps going on and on about watching other people in social situations eat to excess and not participate. Oh, I guess it gets better. I just have to set aside the time to read. I have 4 kids and a job so my "me-time" is pretty much what I don't have right now I will have to set aside a chunk of time to watch these videos too. Boy, so much has changed since I started this hcg diet 3 years ago But I love all this learning too.

[amylou]

I am in the midst of reading the book too. It has really started this P2 round off on a different mindset for me.

So true how we have become a gluttonous society. Emotional eating is such a big habit for me which I have not been able to overcome yet. Hoping this book will help with the mental aspects of things.

[cocoapeanut]

I've read the book! I thought it was pretty cool. One of the main points is that most people really do eat much more than they need (which is easy in a society with tons of food advertising and huge restaurant portions), and the HCG diet is a good way of disconnecting emotionally with food to figure out why we eat so much.

If you only eat when you're hungry and stop when you're satiated, you're way ahead of most people

I also loved the nerdy science explanations as well as potential reasons why Dr. Simeons made the kinds of rules that he did.

[minimonkey]

I think I may just have to break down and get this book -- it sounds like a good read.

[Felina]

I got the book for my Kindle app on the iPad. It's not in the iBooks store. I can't wait until I get some me time to read too.

[jt_gmotu]

I've read it and was VERY impressed. It helps that she had dealt with this issue...AND the protocol. I'm trying to use the Hunger Scale for my eating...tho I'm still eating closer to 500 cals than not. I'm also clear when I'm justifying a meal or something off protocol...and that I'm almost always dealing with emotional hunger.

No one on ANY other program even discussed this.(and I've been on a lot of different weight loss programs.)

I'm watching the videos as I go along...they're a welcome addition.

Oh yeah...love my Kindle!!!

[shelbyla]

I bought it myself last night--they did have it for Nook. It's a relatively short one (150pp) so I should be through it soon...

[Sleepy]

i really like her
she has alot of videos on youutube with great information

[Gilded Lily]

Did anyone else catch the blurb on the video about the side effects of hcg? Thyroid issues and ovarian issues?

[Dreamchaser]

I posted about Robin's book and her videos in another thread: Great youtube videos about the hcg diet and overcoming emotional eating

I can't tell you how happy I am to finally see this subject being discussed in more detail. I have been waiting!

I have finished her book and will be reading it again, this time with my highlighting pen.

I think Robin's work is truly groundbreaking and she is so intelligent, kind and helpful. I just her! What a great counselor she is. I am trying to learn as much as I can from her to change my way of thinking about food to get to the root of the problem.

I also think that what she teaches is valuable for everyone struggling with their weight, not just those on the hcg diet.

[shelbyla]

Oh jeez, you guys...

There are a number of threads going right now, some new and some long-standing, where mostly vets are talking about re-do rounds and puzzling over why we gain the weight back and how we handle protocol.

All I can say is GET THIS BOOK. Jeez...page 53 and counting...

[Kiley2801]

Cool- thanks for posting this. Definitely going to check this out!!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Oh jeez, you guys...

There are a number of threads going right now, some new and some long-standing, where mostly vets are talking about re-do rounds and puzzling over why we gain the weight back and how we handle protocol.

All I can say is GET THIS BOOK. Jeez...page 53 and counting...

Are you talking about me

I know, I know......just kidding there I need to stick with the plan. But sometimes I just don't wanna I have 4 kids and boy are they a handful right now. Not just being busy either. Just today, I was at work and had to leave because my DD had to come home from school--sick. DS went to school sick too, but stayed. They are into all sorts of stuff--good and bad. My DD is diabetic and will be forever. Talk about stress city. I have to not only worry about my health/weight but hers every single day. My eldest had his first car wreck a few weeks ago. DH would NOT deal with it. I had to--with no voice!! Found drug paraphenalia in the house that wasn't even my kids' Yeah, good story there. I could go on and on but I won't bore you with my day to day dealings. When stressed--I eat. I don't know how to handle things and so I eat. I wish I could just deal and handle things, but I don't. I love avoiding things and if I am eating I avoid dealing with what is going on. Always have, since my parents' divorce and I was left alone at night while my mom went out on dates. If I could just leave my life somewhere behind me and deal with the diet like I did before.... but life gets in the way. And anyone who wants to trade to be in my shoes, even for a weekend, I will anytime!!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Dreamchaser

I can't tell you how happy I am to finally see this subject being discussed in more detail. I have been waiting!

And I have been waiting here for you. About time you joined us I just might need to get the book so I can do the same. Reading on a Kindle just isn't like having the book. I like it because it is instantly downloaded, but eh, I just might need this book

Brenda--I have not heard of the side effects of hcg. I have not watched the video yet. I need to! I have not even experienced the more common ones like hair loss. I know that there is a thread on that here too! I even posted on it! Boy we have so many threads here about hcg now. How great that is But confusing too.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Are you talking about me?

Actually, I was talking about ME...and a number of other folks who I've seen around in the last 18 months that I've been on here. The thing that really really strikes me about the reading that I am doing is first the decreasing motivation in rounds after the first and second, the whole "restrict/reward" mentality in the transition between phases. I know that after my second round, I got REALLY comfortable at my new weight and the third round really felt like "torture." In fact I believe someone just recently used that phrase to describe P2 (not you Dawn ). At the end of P2, I know I was seriously planning my first P3 meals--complete with all the stuff I had missed. I think I ended up eating around 4000 calories that day. And this was as a "reward" for completing P2 without cheating and reaching goal. Oy! Anyway, absolutely NOT pointing fingers at anyone. I am just finding a lot of things in this book that feel WAAAY too familiar for comfort.

Also, Dawn, I have nothing but respect for those of you who care for families, protocol or no protocol. You often take on the weight of everyone in your household. I can barely take care of myself! I honestly don't know how you even do it, really I don't. I am so sorry to hear all of the stuff going on right now. I hope it gets better and I have every confidence that you will make through, stronger than ever!

[Gilded Lily]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Brenda--I have not heard of the side effects of hcg. I have not watched the video yet. I need to! I have not even experienced the more common ones like hair loss. I know that there is a thread on that here too! I even posted on it! Boy we have so many threads here about hcg now. How great that is But confusing too.

Thanks Dawn. It just concerned me the way she (someone who seems to know a lot about hcg!) stressed that hcg was a hormone with side effects and not just another diet. Maybe I'm over-reaching here though and reading more into it than I should.

Shelby, has she said anything in the book about hcg side effects? I want to get the book after I make myself plow through the 5 I have on my desk right now.

[dawnyama]

Thanks Shelby. I was just coming here to say that I didn't mean to sound snarky. My first round I thought that this was so easy and when those who said P2 was hard--I thought they were crazy! I now understand how hard it is. I really do. Having to deal with my stress this past year alone has let me know that stress will NEVER go away. It will always be there. I just need to find a way to deal with it better than turning to chocolate....ALWAYS!!! I head for the candy dish first thing when things go wrong. Every night after leaving Amy at the hospital and dealing with the enormity of her diagnosis of diabetes alone because my DH stayed the night with her, I headed for the bag of chocolate in the house. The doctors even questioned to see what we could have done to contribute to her getting it. I mean if that doesn't guilt you into thinking it was your fault They have linked it to her thyroid--which hypothyroidism runs in my family. She has hashimoto's thyroiditis antibodies confirmed through blood testing. Yeah, guilt me even more why don't ya I didn't even mention all the late night phone calls from police we have been getting. My son, I hope, has finally learned his lesson on that one. He is a great kid, just doesn't think. Typical teenager. Even the police will tell us (at 1AM) he was in the wrong place at the wrong time because he didn't do anything wrong. Yes, I could believe that if it were just once, but 4 times??? Geesh---when kids are babies they are so cute and you want to have more. Then they grow up Let me say that raising kids is hard. Like I said, need to find other outlets to vent. Not sabotage myself--something that will help me instead of harm me. Because that is what it is doing to ME. Hurting me. Trust me, exercise is not what I can do when the stress hits either. I know that is the go-to solution for stress busting but I cannot do that at 1AM or at work. So far--one day with no chocolate behind me. Maybe I can cut the ties that bind me to it. I hope my cravings for it goes away.

Like I said all I got out of the parts I have read is how you will have to cut back on your eating when you go out. Really, is it that simple???? Well, if you ask my DH it is. He tells me to just cut back on calories and I will lose. Not worked for me yet.

Anyway, a lot to sort out for all of us. I just wanted you to know that I knew you were not finger pointing But boy, that post sure sounds like me. I am on my 11th round I stopped counting already, too many stops and starts and the like for me. Makes my head hurt

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Gilded Lily

Thanks Dawn. It just concerned me the way she (someone who seems to know a lot about hcg!) stressed that hcg was a hormone with side effects and not just another diet. Maybe I'm over-reaching here though and reading more into it than I should.

Shelby, has she said anything in the book about hcg side effects? I want to get the book after I make myself plow through the 5 I have on my desk right now.

I should finish the book tonight and I would also like to watch the video for context but the only cautions she has so far (p116) are related to consequences of the hCG/leptin/fat storage loop if people do NOT follow the protocol. i.e. If you "cheat"--and I don't know what that means in her terms yet--you risk not only short-term gains in scale weight but a complete disruption of the loop which can cause damage to your thyroid and creation of more or magnification of existing fat cells that are uniquely resistant to weight loss.

Stay tuned...

[Gilded Lily]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I should finish the book tonight and I would also like to watch the video for context but the only cautions she has so far (p116) are related to consequences of the hCG/leptin/fat storage loop if people do NOT follow the protocol. i.e. If you "cheat"--and I don't know what that means in her terms yet--you risk not only short-term gains in scale weight but a complete disruption of the loop which can cause damage to your thyroid and creation of more or magnification of existing fat cells that are uniquely resistant to weight loss.

Stay tuned...

Ah, excellent info. Thank you! Also, am I remembering right in that she is not a fan of correction days? Sorry for all the questions... it's so interesting to me! I will get the book!

Dawn, we all love you girl.

[minimonkey]

Shelby -- it was Julie who referred to p2 as torture, and I seconded the thought! Actually, I am trying very hard to break myself of thinking that way, and really stay present with the experience this time.

I am going to be investing in this book as soon as I have the money, but that may be a while, so I am looking forward to the tidbits that you folks are able to share in the mean time. (This MFA exhibit left me beyond broke.. my phone is disconnected at the moment... d'oh!)