Weight-Loss Apocalypse

[Lildrew]

This is really interesting to me! Years ago I followed a plan that intertwined waiting on hunger with religion (i.e. gluttony issues) and while I don't follow it anymore and haven't for years the concept of waiting on hunger and stopping when you were pleasantly full always intrigued me.

I bought the book some time ago, but never finished it. It sounds like it's time for me to get it out again. Pretty much all my P3s have been failures and from what I am reading from you ladies it might be because I was over feeding myself, when I should have been listening to my body.

I will definitely check out the videos. I intend to do a very strict P2 this round with no variations. I can do it, I can do it.

[Crazy PreK Teacher]

Originally Posted by Nicole T

I must be built just like you! I have gotten as low as 163 but that was REALLY skinny for me...and yet I still was smack dab in the middle of a size 12. I actually don't care what I weigh--I just want to be in a size 12 with a little wiggle room

True...my problem last time was that I was so OBSESSED with getting to a lower goal weight and could not for anything...excessive exercise, extreme dieting, etc. That "failed' mentality sent me on upward spiral of re-gaining. Now I know...if I end up stuck at a certain weight...I am to maintain for a long while. Most of all...I need to be HAPPY...I was not at that happy point last time. I do not have to look perfect even though I thought I would be. I just want to look cute in my clothes, regardless if I wear something that makes me look too curvy/hippy. I certainly don't look cute in clothes at 282+ before hHCG or even at my overall highest at 411. Clothes can cover lots of flaws...most of which other people never even notice. I need to be THANKFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by adelinesdream

hey julie, what weight are you at now? I'm not sure I read the stats right on your posts. I'm at 175.4 today and I am praying I can get back down to what the dukins site sez I should weigh after 5 pregnancies and a high weight of 298. It tells me 152. Last summer I was down to 155 but I struggled with emotional eating and body image issues and worked my way back up the scale to here. I am praying for freedom from gluttony and emotional eating.

I'm 150.6 today!! I was 148 at the end of my last round, which was a an all time low!! I can wear my size 4 Levi's capris, size 6 levi's jeans and 8's in almost everything else. I'm happy being a 10 or lower, truth be told. That dukan site said my ideal weight was 157lbs. I was really happy to see that. Made me feel great! Like I wasn't settling for less if I didnt' push on to the 130's or lower. I am still lightly padded, and I'm sure even when I get back into the 140's (hopefully next week!) I'll have room to lose. But, I am trying to keep it all in perspective. It's hard enough to maintain where I am. I can't imagine being able to lose 10 more lbs and keep that off. But, since I'm already lower than I ever thought I'd be, I won't say it can't happen. We'll see. All things are possible w. God.!!

Originally Posted by Lildrew

This is really interesting to me! Years ago I followed a plan that intertwined waiting on hunger with religion (i.e. gluttony issues) and while I don't follow it anymore and haven't for years the concept of waiting on hunger and stopping when you were pleasantly full always intrigued me.

I bought the book some time ago, but never finished it. It sounds like it's time for me to get it out again. Pretty much all my P3s have been failures and from what I am reading from you ladies it might be because I was over feeding myself, when I should have been listening to my body.

I will definitely check out the videos. I intend to do a very strict P2 this round with no variations. I can do it, I can do it.

I haven't finished the book yet either. But I'm thinking about (dreaming ) of P3 already. Many advocate pushing calories as high as you can to make stabilizing more successful. But, that kinda' isn't what either Simeons or Woodall says to do. I don't want to only be able to eat 1200 cals a day, but I also don't want to gain back what I just loss. Maybe if I do cals to hunger and it's low in the beginning, it'll eventually rise over time? I want to lock in my LDW, which is the point of stabilizing, right? So, if I push the cals beyond hunger I'm setting myself up for overeating. And usually gaining. Sigh. Still mulling this all over. I have at least 10 more days until I get to experiment .

Angela-I hear ya!! I do hide many flaws in my clothes, but they can't hide everything. I'm mostly interested in wearing my smaller clothes I got when I lost last round. I am ok w. the scale not going lower if I am smaller. And I echo your sentiments, I'm practicing my "attitude of gratitude" and being thankful for a healthy body that's not 272lbs anymore .

[adelinesdream]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I'm 150.6 today!! I was 148 at the end of my last round, which was a an all time low!! I can wear my size 4 Levi's capris, size 6 levi's jeans and 8's in almost everything else. I'm happy being a 10 or lower, truth be told. That dukan site said my ideal weight was 157lbs. I was really happy to see that. Made me feel great! Like I wasn't settling for less if I didnt' push on to the 130's or lower. I am still lightly padded, and I'm sure even when I get back into the 140's (hopefully next week!) I'll have room to lose. But, I am trying to keep it all in perspective. It's hard enough to maintain where I am. I can't imagine being able to lose 10 more lbs and keep that off. But, since I'm already lower than I ever thought I'd be, I won't say it can't happen. We'll see. All things are possible w. God.!!



I haven't finished the book yet either. But I'm thinking about (dreaming ) of P3 already. Many advocate pushing calories as high as you can to make stabilizing more successful. But, that kinda' isn't what either Simeons or Woodall says to do. I don't want to only be able to eat 1200 cals a day, but I also don't want to gain back what I just loss. Maybe if I do cals to hunger and it's low in the beginning, it'll eventually rise over time? I want to lock in my LDW, which is the point of stabilizing, right? So, if I push the cals beyond hunger I'm setting myself up for overeating. And usually gaining. Sigh. Still mulling this all over. I have at least 10 more days until I get to experiment .

Angela-I hear ya!! I do hide many flaws in my clothes, but they can't hide everything. I'm mostly interested in wearing my smaller clothes I got when I lost last round. I am ok w. the scale not going lower if I am smaller. And I echo your sentiments, I'm practicing my "attitude of gratitude" and being thankful for a healthy body that's not 272lbs anymore .

I am 5'1" and my lowest weight on hcg last summer was 155. I can't fit into those clothes at 175.4 that I am right now. I'm waiting for my shipment to come in to begin another round of HCG my first one of RX. I have lots of drooping skin, yucky belly and thighs not to mention other parts. I was fixated on that and was very scared about it only becoming more and more so as I went down, kind of nullifying my wanting to feel good about my body image. The lowest size pants I got into was a 12, wish I could ever fit a 10, 8 or 6 whoaaaah. I plugged into dukindiet.com my history i.e. 5 pregnancies, highest weight 298, lowest weight 120 etc and it came back with 152 for me as a normal weight. I guess they are taking into consideration all my blobs of hanging skin. I have allowed fear and emotional eating to sabatoge my weight over and over again.

[adelinesdream]

Originally Posted by Crazy PreK Teacher

True...my problem last time was that I was so OBSESSED with getting to a lower goal weight and could not for anything...excessive exercise, extreme dieting, etc. That "failed' mentality sent me on upward spiral of re-gaining. Now I know...if I end up stuck at a certain weight...I am to maintain for a long while. Most of all...I need to be HAPPY...I was not at that happy point last time. I do not have to look perfect even though I thought I would be. I just want to look cute in my clothes, regardless if I wear something that makes me look too curvy/hippy. I certainly don't look cute in clothes at 282+ before hHCG or even at my overall highest at 411. Clothes can cover lots of flaws...most of which other people never even notice. I need to be THANKFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are doing wonderful, honey!

[adelinesdream]

Originally Posted by Lildrew

This is really interesting to me! Years ago I followed a plan that intertwined waiting on hunger with religion (i.e. gluttony issues) and while I don't follow it anymore and haven't for years the concept of waiting on hunger and stopping when you were pleasantly full always intrigued me.

I bought the book some time ago, but never finished it. It sounds like it's time for me to get it out again. Pretty much all my P3s have been failures and from what I am reading from you ladies it might be because I was over feeding myself, when I should have been listening to my body.

I will definitely check out the videos. I intend to do a very strict P2 this round with no variations. I can do it, I can do it.

Drew, was that plan called Weigh Down Workshop? AND YES YOU CAN DO IT! all things are possible to those that believe.

[Lildrew]

Originally Posted by adelinesdream

Drew, was that plan called Weigh Down Workshop? AND YES YOU CAN DO IT! all things are possible to those that believe.

Yes, it was!!! Did you do it too? Thanks!!! I have been hungry today, but determined all the same. I am SO doing this!!. I kep visualizing myself in a bathing suit on my trip and it helps me focus!

I have a hard copy at home but decided I needed it on my iPad too and am reading it now.

[shelbyla]

Did you guys see this link? This is a really interesting calculator. Worth checking out anyway.

http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/

Before vaca, I was basically forcing around 3000 calories per day--clean calories of fatty meat, fats, veggies and fruits, no sf goodies. I ended up about 8 pounds down in a little less than three weeks. I may put the RRARF theory to the test (rrarf, rrarf, rraaaaaaaarf... ) and up my calories in the next week or so, just to see what this does for my weight. As counterintuitive as this is to Woodall's theories, I do think there is something to be said for satiation and how the body reacts to that.

Does anyone else have the issue that they can't get full? Looking for emotional triggers is easy enough for me and I can usually stop myself from doing it but practicing the hunger scale is hard when you don't get that warning sign. I can eat a LOT--like 1000's of calories--before I feel really full or even satiated.

[sunday]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Did you guys see this link? This is a really interesting calculator. Worth checking out anyway.

IF Calculator

Before vaca, I was basically forcing around 3000 calories per day--clean calories of fatty meat, fats, veggies and fruits, no sf goodies. I ended up about 8 pounds down in a little less than three weeks. I may put the RRARF theory to the test (rrarf, rrarf, rraaaaaaaarf... ) and up my calories in the next week or so, just to see what this does for my weight. As counterintuitive as this is to Woodall's theories, I do think there is something to be said for satiation and how the body reacts to that.

Does anyone else have the issue that they can't get full? Looking for emotional triggers is easy enough for me and I can usually stop myself from doing it but practicing the hunger scale is hard when you don't get that warning sign. I can eat a LOT--like 1000's of calories--before I feel really full or even satiated.

Off to go read this theory.

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by sunday

Off to go read this theory.

It's the Matt Stone thing that Julie has been referencing.

[minimonkey]

Shelby, I was having that problem of incessant hunger when I first came off of p2 -- it has calmed down, after a couple of weeks of eating to the point of not being hungry anymore.

I am also interested in how the body reacts to satiety -- Matt Stone may have some of this right.

[shelbyla]

It's not so much that I had incessant hunger. It's more that there is very little difference between a 4 (barely not hungry) and a 7 (full but not overly) for me on the hunger scale. A 4 might occur around 500 calories after I start eating and a 7 around 2500 calories. So trying to keep the hunger scale between a 3.5 and a 6.5 can be a little challenging. I know when I'm hungry (a 3) and when I am too full (an 8) but it's the nuances that I am having trouble with. I also don't think it's good to regularly eat very low calories, even if your body signals that so I am fighting that mentally a bit. Trying to figure out if mentally I just want to eat more or if I truly don't feel "full"...

[christyb]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I haven't finished the book yet either. But I'm thinking about (dreaming ) of P3 already. Many advocate pushing calories as high as you can to make stabilizing more successful. But, that kinda' isn't what either Simeons or Woodall says to do. I don't want to only be able to eat 1200 cals a day, but I also don't want to gain back what I just loss. Maybe if I do cals to hunger and it's low in the beginning, it'll eventually rise over time? I want to lock in my LDW, which is the point of stabilizing, right? So, if I push the cals beyond hunger I'm setting myself up for overeating. And usually gaining. Sigh. Still mulling this all over. I have at least 10 more days until I get to experiment .

Julie, this is my exact question. In fact, I emailed her to find out the answer. I've heard she responds, so I'm hoping to get an answer.

I started P3 at the end of last week and at first I wasn't really hungry at all. Even now, I'm not having as much hunger as I would think. But I've heard so many people say that you have to eat up to a certain amount or you'll be stuck for life. But that seems to go against what Robin says about Leptin and eating to hunger. It's got me really confused!

I just want to get this right, because I feel like I am at a place that I can really get a handle on my weight and change my life. Reading Robin's book and watching all of her videos have give me so much hope.

[adelinesdream]

Originally Posted by Lildrew

Yes, it was!!! Did you do it too? Thanks!!! I have been hungry today, but determined all the same. I am SO doing this!!. I kep visualizing myself in a bathing suit on my trip and it helps me focus!

I have a hard copy at home but decided I needed it on my iPad too and am reading it now.

yes I attended their meetings a number of times, but never could get the hang of it.

[adelinesdream]

Originally Posted by christyb

Julie, this is my exact question. In fact, I emailed her to find out the answer. I've heard she responds, so I'm hoping to get an answer.

I started P3 at the end of last week and at first I wasn't really hungry at all. Even now, I'm not having as much hunger as I would think. But I've heard so many people say that you have to eat up to a certain amount or you'll be stuck for life. But that seems to go against what Robin says about Leptin and eating to hunger. It's got me really confused!

I just want to get this right, because I feel like I am at a place that I can really get a handle on my weight and change my life. Reading Robin's book and watching all of her videos have give me so much hope.

I'm with you there, it give me much hope!

[minimonkey]

What I mean by incessant hunger is actually pretty much what you are describing, Shelby -- maybe my phrasing isn't conveying quite what I meant.... if I just ate a small meal, I'd be hungry again very soon ... and if I ate to the point of genuinely being satisfied, the calories were WAY high! I decided that my body needed the food, so I just went ahead and fed it ... I gained a ton of weight (water, mostly, I think... and I'm sure some fat too) -- but the hunger did calm down after a couple of weeks.

It takes far less to satisfy me now -- and I am hoping that the scale continues to go back down too.

I'm trying just to eat to the point of feeling moderately satisfied, and hoping that (combined with the workouts) is enough to start putting things in order.

[Lildrew]

Originally Posted by christyb

Julie, this is my exact question. In fact, I emailed her to find out the answer. I've heard she responds, so I'm hoping to get an answer.

I can't wait to hear her response!!! thanks for sharing!

[minimonkey]

I'm interested, too. P3 has been the downfall of the hcg experience for me, over and over.

Shelby, your experience is inspiring!

[christyb]

I would highly recommend anyone who is struggling go listen to Robin's videos on You Tube. I started at the oldest ones and have been working my way through. I love the book, but I think I'm learning even more from the videos. You are basically sitting in on her counseling sessions with people. It's been free therapy for me!

I am fully confident now (for the first time ever) that I can beat my emotional eating, lose the weight and keep it off. And it's so much simpler than I ever thought it could be.

As I'm learning and applying things in my life, I feel like I want to shout from the rooftops and help everyone who is trapped in the addiction! There is a way out!!

Much love to you all!

[Lildrew]

Originally Posted by christyb

I would highly recommend anyone who is struggling go listen to Robin's videos on You Tube. I started at the oldest ones and have been working my way through. I love the book, but I think I'm learning even more from the videos. You are basically sitting in on her counseling sessions with people. It's been free therapy for me!

I am fully confident now (for the first time ever) that I can beat my emotional eating, lose the weight and keep it off. And it's so much simpler than I ever thought it could be.

As I'm learning and applying things in my life, I feel like I want to shout from the rooftops and help everyone who is trapped in the addiction! There is a way out!!

Much love to you all!

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

It's the Matt Stone thing that Julie has been referencing.

It's certainly more fun than not eating . kind of opposite of what the hunger scale teaches. I'm confused too . I too have a hard time differentiating satisfied from full. If I only eat a little bit won't I get hungry again more quickly? Not too convenient to stop as soon as I'm hungry, eat a few bites, repeat. I guess grazing (also very popular and recommended by experts) works into this plan?

For those who have no idea what RRARF is-it's Matt Stone's idea to take some time to rest and aggressively refeed your body. Strongly suggesting carbs to boost your metabollic rate. Using basal body temps as you guide. Resting means no exercise, which i ignored. I tonedit down, but didnt stop. I did about 2 months of intentionally overeating and carbs as I felt lead-French fries, gelato, froyo, cupcakes - not every minute, but at least weekly. Vacation is a great time to practice this it was seriously fun! I did 2 CDs during that time to attempt to reign it in. my temps went up nicely 97.6 most mornings, from 96.7. I gained about 10 lbs, mostly fat , but it capped off. I felt great, was sleeping well, but none of my clothes fit . I'm hoping whatever repair work I did Stays w/ me through this P2. So far, so good.

Originally Posted by christyb

Julie, this is my exact question. In fact, I emailed her to find out the answer. I've heard she responds, so I'm hoping to get an answer.

I started P3 at the end of last week and at first I wasn't really hungry at all. Even now, I'm not having as much hunger as I would think. But I've heard so many people say that you have to eat up to a certain amount or you'll be stuck for life. But that seems to go against what Robin says about Leptin and eating to hunger. It's got me really confused!

I just want to get this right, because I feel like I am at a place that I can really get a handle on my weight and change my life. Reading Robin's book and watching all of her videos have give me so much hope.

glad I'm not the only one wrestling w/ this stuff! Let us know how she responds. Wonder how leptin and over feeding work? She seems to indicate that it turns on the fat storing mechanism. But, lots of skinny overeaters out there defy this theory. Sigh.

Mini-glad you're feeling better. How's the losses? Are you weighing yet? Staying LC, right?

I guess we all have/get to experiment on ourselves! Seeing what our bodies will take. I'm sure I'll ramp up slowly into P3, but after a nice stable week I'll probably push the cals higher while keeping carbs low and see how it goes.

Thanks for sharing! Keep it coming!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by adelinesdream

Dawn,

How did you find out about all those hormonal issues you list? Did you have blood tests? Regarding my husband, he's 5'4" and thinks he's fat when he weighs 142, but he's all muscle and very slim to me, maybe a tiny belly--but not much. He just thinks I should be able to muster up the will power and do it. Being together 24/7 was wonderful on vacation but some triggers came out for him and me in relation to my weight and his inner attitude. We have since worked it out and I set healthy boundaries for myself and him in that arena and know there are just some things that I cannot expect him to understand. He is supportive, but I own this thing and he cannot be "all up in my kool-aid cause he doesn't even know what flavor it is" Know what I mean?

I understand 100% It is not easy living with someone who has never had to diet or had a weight issue EVER. My DH is Japanese--have you seen a fat Japanese man????!!!! NO!!!! He tells me simply, "eat less and move more". Ummm, if it were that simple I would be skinny because doing that (which I have done) doesn't work. Men My DH supports me because he does see me very upset at weighing higher than I want to be. But he has had to get on board with how I chose to do it. Not easy, but he came around. I have been married 18 years to this man so we know each other real well by now. He knows how stubborn I am

I was up to my high weight in my signature after my 4th child was born and I just couldn't lose the weight. I decided that it was time to see if my thyroid is messed up. I checked on the "stop the madness" website or is it stop the thyroid madness?? I don't even remember but I checked there for a good doctor that understood thyroid. She looked at me at our first checkup and said "you have adrenal fatigue". I had no idea what that was, but she did tests, listened to my symptoms and came up with those diagnoses. The one she used to tailor my supplements was the hair analysis. That confirmed my adrenal fatigue, thyroid issues and other hormonal problems. I know there are saliva tests for cortisol, but I couldn't afford those. So we tested hair instead. Still was expensive, but so worth it!

[minimonkey]

Hey Julie --

I'm doing L/C right now with no dairy-- scale is up and down, but still showing an aggregate loss from when I started weighing. I'm having one of my "bonus" TOMs at the moment (gotta love perimenopause!) so it is hard to say exactly what is water, and what isn't.

I'm also working out quite a lot, which we all know affects water balance.

As of today, I am taking it way back to basics for a little while -- meat, fat, veggies, a few berries. Dropping the nuts and the fillers like flax and such -- it's too easy to overeat things like yummy flax bread It may be very low net carbs, but I don't think it is helping me any with losses.

I hope this does the trick -- I'm still sitting 17 lbs above my revised goal of 110 -- I don't think my body is willing to maintain any lower than that, given all my past attempts to make it happen. 110 is sustainable for me, if I work at it. Plus, with the additional muscle I've gained this past year, I think I may be pretty lean at 110 now.

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Hey Julie --

I'm doing L/C right now with no dairy-- scale is up and down, but still showing an aggregate loss from when I started weighing. I'm having one of my "bonus" TOMs at the moment (gotta love perimenopause!) so it is hard to say exactly what is water, and what isn't.

I'm also working out quite a lot, which we all know affects water balance.

As of today, I am taking it way back to basics for a little while -- meat, fat, veggies, a few berries. Dropping the nuts and the fillers like flax and such -- it's too easy to overeat things like yummy flax bread It may be very low net carbs, but I don't think it is helping me any with losses.

I hope this does the trick -- I'm still sitting 17 lbs above my revised goal of 110 -- I don't think my body is willing to maintain any lower than that, given all my past attempts to make it happen. 110 is sustainable for me, if I work at it. Plus, with the additional muscle I've gained this past year, I think I may be pretty lean at 110 now.

I thought you were pretty lean before at 110 I'm sure now you'll be even more ripped! I think your body will like cleaner LC. Flax stalls me or makes me gain . So does co oil and flour. Too many frankenfoods (homemade or storebought) don't work well or me. Glad to hear the workouts are going well! I am laying low as I finish this P2. Light weights once a week, cardio through house cleaning, hiking or some gym time as it comes. I've been really lightheaded the past few days. Week 3 stinks . I'm upping my potassium and magnesium today (some leg cramps last night). Was thinking of extending my round (greedy!) but will probably call LDW on Wed. Should be down a lb (maybe more?) by then. We'll see.

And as for recommendations for SF restaurants, we'll likely be staying near Hayward now I think. Going on day trips from there. Likely SF on Thanksgiving. There'll be 8 of us, 4 kids 9-13. Can you recommend a few places that would be nice for dinner? Dh wants to do Chinese . we're going to overrule him . Thanks Mini!

[dawnyama]

Julie--I take 8 pills of potassium daily. 4 with my lunch and 4 with my dinner. Then before bed I take Natural Calm (for the magnesium) and 2 TBL of apple cider vinegar (for the potassium). This regime has gotten rid of my cramps while on P2. I was having them regularly til I upped my stuff! Hope you can get a handle on yours. They are so painful, even if they are brief.

[aginkc]

If anyone is done with and willing to sell thier copy of the book "Weight-Loss Apocalypse" by Robin Phipps Woodall -- please let me know. Thanks ~

[aginkc]

I start load day #1 tomorrow (got injections in the frig ready to go tomorrow).... My questions is once on the VLD is Braggs Vinegar okay to use and if so unlimted or a certain amt?

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by aginkc

I start load day #1 tomorrow (got injections in the frig ready to go tomorrow).... My questions is once on the VLD is Braggs Vinegar okay to use and if so unlimted or a certain amt?

Yes Braggs ACV is ok to use. Not sure how much you are planning to use but it's not really limited to 2T or anything. I'm not sure that I would use more than 1/3c daily anyway.

Btw, this is kind of an old topic-specific thread. Come join us over on the weekly P2 thread (there will be another one later today for the new week)...

P2 SIMEONS PROTOCOL WEEK OF AUGUST 27TH

Welcome!

[fozzie99]

Soon after I read pounds and inches I was doubtful of the "science" behind it. I still followed the protocol successfully but still had questions. I wish I had found WLA before I started the first time. This round is going so much easier than any other I have done.

[riss]

I read weight loss apocalypse and what struck me the most was when she talked about how we ate as children. She described how kids didn't want to come in to eat but eventually would come in and just eat a little and then go right back out to what they were doing. I know one of my problems is trying to figure out when to stop. I don't feel like my hunger mechanism works like it should. When we go out I always try to eat very slowly and usually end up taking at least half of my meal home - yet I frequently end up feeling stuffed anyway?? I think it's a very fine line between eating to satisfaction and overdoing it. I'm going to really try to be mindful of this once I start the protocol.