~~P3/P4 Simeons Protocol Week of 5/21~~

[LaraSuzz]

New thread for the week!!

[shelbyla]

@Berta - saw turnips in your menu. I wouldn't eat those. Starchy veggies are best saved for P4. YMMV

[icecreamjunkie]

Good morning lovely ladies!!!!!!! Just wanted to pop in and say hello!!

I was wicked bad yesterday! in moderation of course! But def. had carbs...but a BLAST at the beach w/ a good friend! Great food....and woke up this morning to a .5lb loss! go figure! Maybe i just need to get happy!!!!

[LaraSuzz]

Morning... down 2 lbs since Saturday but have been feeling really nautious and generally icky for the past few days. This morning I was the same as yesterday. If things are going like theyve been, and I will stall every two days then I am going to call it quits I need a mental break like badly. At worst I would have sacrificed a pound or two and thats okay with me. I'm very tired physically and mentally right now. Feeling like I'm going to pass out or something. I think my body needs fat. I feel guilty and this round wasnt like others. Maybe its my body catching up with all the stress. I have vacay coming up and I convinced my mom to take hers too so that we can hang out and do fun stuff like picnic in the mountains and stuff. Maybe I can even get her to come to mexico this weekend. The hotel has a full kitchen so I can bring all my own food. =) On a good note I really think I lost this week in inches but I've got nothing to compare it to because I didnt take measurements this time. I feel it in my roomy pants lol, and I'm pretty sure I can get into my size 14 Levi's. =) I'm fighting this feeling of failure right now but I know you guys understand how I feel.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

@Berta - saw turnips in your menu. I wouldn't eat those. Starchy veggies are best saved for P4. YMMV

Morning
Turnips are on the PH3 veggie list. I was also down 2.4 lbs this morning so I'm still 1.4 below my LDW

What is YMMV?

If I don't need a correcton day during the PH3 doesn't that mean my weight has been stabilzed?I believe it does but want to make certain!

[julieboolie]

Berta-YMMV=your mileage may vary, basically what works for one may not work for others. You're doing great!! Keep it up!! You'll learn to trust your body soon. Good job!! Hope the Rx works out. I've only done the homeopathic, with good success. Cheaper and works for me . Glad your dd has had such good success!!

Lara-2lbs is good. Sick is bad Hope you're feeling better. Totally get the feeling. I can only do short rounds myself!!

I'm up (still) and ate a LOT over the weekend. I will be better during the week, and sticking to LC. Hope to be back in "range" by Friday. I know I will overdo it this weekend. It's ok. It's life and I like living it!! There's always next week to take it back off.

Originally I was going to load this weekend and do another round. I was going to skip that b/c of the exercise. But I am now reconsidering (). I can probably keep my softball and 2 workouts while doing hcg I think. I'd like to try. It'll be the fastest way to drop 10lbs. I do so hate it though!! But, it works! . My pellets haven't arrived, I need to check on my order. Hope it went through well. Hmmm. It's been a while?

Taryl-hope it goes well with this "try". The Lord knows what He's got planned for you guys . Babies are always a blessing!!

rest of the gang!! Hope you're doing well!!

[Arctic_Mama]

Julie, you and I sound a lot alike on the diet front. It seems I lose weight during the week for a relaxed weekend, then spend half of the next week getting back in range and correcting. And yet, that is how maintenance goes, and it doesn't really bother me. I just SO appreciate have the tool of correction days and understanding how to use it, so I don't feel powerless or fearful when I am outside my range the morning after a restaurant meal!

Yesterday was a perfect food day until the evening, when we had a meeting. Then I had mixed nuts AND normal cheesecake, the latter one being what I wasn't planning on eating going into the event. Still, I felt fine except for a headache from the sugar and am back t normal today. I figured honestly that I am in P4 and as much as I am trying to do perfect, clean dieting to drop a few more pounds to the bottom of my window, it isn't worth the psychological feeling of deprivation to completely avoid all social/fun eating and then end up doing another P2 and having more of the same! That's like a cheat city recipe! So I am on plan 97-99% of the time and once a week or less have had a less-than-perfect food. That's not half bad!

I am 170.6 after the cheesecake and nuts late last night, which is better than I thought I'd be, so today I'm doing a GYCD and then tomorrow will go back to the induction-style eating. I should be seeing a drop of this period-related water retention soon, too.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Berta-YMMV=your mileage may vary, basically what works for one may not work for others. You're doing great!! Keep it up!! You'll learn to trust your body soon. Good job!! Hope the Rx works out. I've only done the homeopathic, with good success. Cheaper and works for me . Glad your dd has had such good success!!

Lara-2lbs is good. Sick is bad Hope you're feeling better. Totally get the feeling. I can only do short rounds myself!!

I'm up (still) and ate a LOT over the weekend. I will be better during the week, and sticking to LC. Hope to be back in "range" by Friday. I know I will overdo it this weekend. It's ok. It's life and I like living it!! There's always next week to take it back off.

Originally I wa going to load this weekend and do another round. I was going to skip that b/c of the exercise. But I am now reconsidering (). I can probably keep my softball and 2 workouts while doing hcg I think. I'd like to try. It'll be the fastest way to drop 10lbs. I do so hate it though!! But, it works! . My pellets haven't arrived, I need to check on my order. Hope it went through well. Hmmm. It's been a while?

Taryl-hope it goes well with this "try". The Lord knows what He's got planned for you guys . Babies are always a blessing!!

rest of the gang!! Hope you're doing well!!

Julie
Thank you.All these abbreviatons But I'll learn them one day!!!I am very hopeful I wil not have to do a correction day on PH3.I am trying to do it right.I've made a few mistakes but by accident.That is why I appreciate everyones comments.

My DD get the RX overseas and only pays 13 or 14.00 so it's cheaper than the HHCG.The shippping is 25.00 but there are several splitting that cost.
So I will give it a try next round.Maybe I won't be so hungry all the time.
If I don't see any difference I will go back to the HHCg because I have a half bottle left and a FULL bottle of Pellets

[Gilded Lily]

Hello everyone. P3 food is THE BOMB!

I have a question for p3'ers. In my past p3's, I haven't gotten my calories high enough. (Long story, won't bore you with the details. LOL) This time, I'm trying to get them as high as I can. I'm using butter, hwc, almond butter, coconut butter, coconut oil, etc. to help me out. Here is my question...

Today I'm at ldw +1.8 so I'm in the window. But, if I wanted to back that number down a bit since it's so close to the edge, what's the best way of doing that without messing up the resetting at max calorie levels? I'm not a fan of correction days, but I'm diligent about doing them when I'm over. I would like to avoid them if I can. I'm a p3'er on the edge!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by Gilded Lily

Hello everyone. P3 food is THE BOMB!

I have a question for p3'ers. In my past p3's, I haven't gotten my calories high enough. (Long story, won't bore you with the details. LOL) This time, I'm trying to get them as high as I can. I'm using butter, hwc, almond butter, coconut butter, coconut oil, etc. to help me out. Here is my question...

Today I'm at ldw +1.8 so I'm in the window. But, if I wanted to back that number down a bit since it's so close to the edge, what's the best way of doing that without messing up the resetting at max calorie levels? I'm not a fan of correction days, but I'm diligent about doing them when I'm over. I would like to avoid them if I can. I'm a p3'er on the edge!

I am only on my 3rd day of PH3 so I am in now way an expert.But if I remember correctly Dr.S. in P&I said cut back on fat not protein? Someone else will tell you as I am not certain.Best of luck!

[Arctic_Mama]

Gildedlily - Keep it clean if you're close to your window. NO NUTS, NO DAIRY! HWC might not be a problem if your body treats it like butter instead of milk, but it's tough to say if you don't know your particular reactions and body chemistry.

Eat animal fat and some plant fats, like olive oil and coconut oil. Do P2-appropriate or Atkins Induction-approved veggies, very little to no fruit, and make sure 15-25% of your calories are coming from protein (that is enough to stop a deficit without having gluconeogenesis issues). That is a clean P3 and does wonders for the scale, but too much starch in veggies, sugars from fruit, or inflammatory triggers like nuts and dairy can cause big issues. You can eat many calories of that induction-style clean P3 without the scale bouncing, and in fact it works excellently to bring about losses, too.

I recommend it very much for control and stabilization in P3, as well as correcting gains. Just my .02. Do a by-the-books P2, clean and controlled P3, and slow progression in P4. That keeps problems to a minimum

[Arctic_Mama]

As for me, I'm aborting my Greek yogurt day at breakfast, this is the second time I've done one and noticed myself getting headaches an hour or two after eating it. I used t have a dairy sensitivity and I think I still do, migraines were one of my main symptoms. So I did the Greek yogurt for breakfast but am switching back to induction-style correction days for the rest of the day. That both loses the weight and I feel much better.

Now that I have had a normal lunch (big, induction-veggie salad), I am already feeling a little better. Still headachy, but it isn't getting worse.

I can do Greek yogurt in small (1/4-1/2 cup) quantities occasionally, with other food, but I can't have it all at once like that, clearly. Marking that CD off my list

[Berta48]

Hi everyone
Just wanted to say hello. Still below my LDW.Hope it stays that way.
Hope everyone is having a great day on protocol.

[Doing It Right]

Morning ladies!

Sorry I've been MIA, been a super busy weekend! I'll be back later for personals!

I'm still hanging in my window, happy but wish I could get back to 119. LDW is 121.4, I'm at 122, but I'm still exercising (treadmill and a little light weights), and I had a lot of manual labor in the yard the last 3, days.
If I never carry & spread another bag of mulch, I'll be happy! I'm so sore I can hardly walk!

Hope you all are doing Ok, Welcome to our new P3ers!

Tonya

[LaraSuzz]

Hi all... t-minus 24 hours until P3. I lost .4 lbs this am, so I'm pretty happy that I chose to make the transition. I just hope that a short round doesnt effect stabilization. Dont know what was going on with me yesterday. I cant tell if I felt sick because of the diet or because my heart is kinda broken right now. It could be a little of both, some anxiety... and some matters if the heart, cuz I feel ok but not 100% yet. Some fat will help I think but I'm going to keep it under control. Give me strenth to do this right.

[Gilded Lily]

Originally Posted by Berta48

I am only on my 3rd day of PH3 so I am in now way an expert.But if I remember correctly Dr.S. in P&I said cut back on fat not protein? Someone else will tell you as I am not certain.Best of luck!

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Gildedlily - Keep it clean if you're close to your window. NO NUTS, NO DAIRY! HWC might not be a problem if your body treats it like butter instead of milk, but it's tough to say if you don't know your particular reactions and body chemistry.

Eat animal fat and some plant fats, like olive oil and coconut oil. Do P2-appropriate or Atkins Induction-approved veggies, very little to no fruit, and make sure 15-25% of your calories are coming from protein (that is enough to stop a deficit without having gluconeogenesis issues). That is a clean P3 and does wonders for the scale, but too much starch in veggies, sugars from fruit, or inflammatory triggers like nuts and dairy can cause big issues. You can eat many calories of that induction-style clean P3 without the scale bouncing, and in fact it works excellently to bring about losses, too.

I recommend it very much for control and stabilization in P3, as well as correcting gains. Just my .02. Do a by-the-books P2, clean and controlled P3, and slow progression in P4. That keeps problems to a minimum

Thank you ladies so much!

I AM out of my window today by .4. I got caught up in things and didn't get to eat supper until late and that always makes me gain. Taryl, I'm going to apply your ideas for certain. Thank you again. And I'm so sorry about your Greek yogurt issues. Oh well, there are plenty of glorious p3 foods to choose from! I will be doing some sort of correction today. Not sure what exactly. Lots of protein though.

[Gilded Lily]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Hi all... t-minus 24 hours until P3. I lost .4 lbs this am, so I'm pretty happy that I chose to make the transition. I just hope that a short round doesnt effect stabilization. Dont know what was going on with me yesterday. I cant tell if I felt sick because of the diet or because my heart is kinda broken right now. It could be a little of both, some anxiety... and some matters if the heart, cuz I feel ok but not 100% yet. Some fat will help I think but I'm going to keep it under control. Give me strenth to do this right.

Sorry to hear you're not feeling your best. Hope things get better soon. P3 is just around the corner!

[julieboolie]

Lara- sorry you're not 100%, but P3 is only a day away!! you're doing great!!

Berta-great job!!

Tonya-good to see you. I'm sure there's water in those new muscles!! Good job on the yard!

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

As for me, I'm aborting my Greek yogurt day at breakfast, this is the second time I've done one and noticed myself getting headaches an hour or two after eating it. I used t have a dairy sensitivity and I think I still do, migraines were one of my main symptoms. So I did the Greek yogurt for breakfast but am switching back to induction-style correction days for the rest of the day. That both loses the weight and I feel much better.

Now that I have had a normal lunch (big, induction-veggie salad), I am already feeling a little better. Still headachy, but it isn't getting worse.

I can do Greek yogurt in small (1/4-1/2 cup) quantities occasionally, with other food, but I can't have it all at once like that, clearly. Marking that CD off my list

Bummer on the GY. Dh had the same thing happen to him and gave up almost all yogurt now. We thought that it might have been a yeast die off symptom with him. Do you think that could be an issue for you? Just a thought. Hadn't heard anyone else mention this w. GY. Hmmm Good advice, btw.

Lily-you're doing fine. Keep it clean and you'll settle in!!

I'm still up, and out of my window. I did a clean P3/Atkins day yesterday and am down 1.8, but still out of window. It's all my fault, but I'd really like to be "in" for a bit!! So, I'm doing a CD today. Haven't decided yet which one. I may try that burger/egg day. Haven't done that yet and it sounds filling. Can you put low sugar ketchup or mayo on it? Not sure on the over easy egg, haven't made one ever. Will give it a whirl though and let you know. Can't hurt, right?

Have a great day all!!

[Arctic_Mama]

I did the burger day with mayo, but it is supposed to be a pure flesh/protein day and low sugar ketchup would be iffy for me. That said, can't hurt to try, right?

I'd wonder if my symptoms were yeast die off except I have been on plan and therapeutically ketogenic for months, and even when I first began the protocol I had NO real detox symptoms. I have never had candida issues in labwork or in reflection on my own physiology and symptoms, so that is highly unlikely to be a culprit. However I am unusual, that is one of the most common health maladies in this country that goes untreated and undiagnosed, so it is a wise thing to check for first! I feel badly for your hubby, though

[Arctic_Mama]

As for me, I'm rather perplexingly still at 170.6 despite a clean day yesterday, correct carbs, within my calorie allotment (which is at a deficit, I might add), AND working out. Best I can tell, the yogurt gave me that allergic reaction I dread and between that and the working out I am seeing a bit of water weight. Because there's really no way I'm not burning fat, at this point.

Today I'll keep on plan with the induction-style correction eating and hope for a better scale outcome tomorrow. I keep forgetting I am still on my period and that usually keeps my weight on the higher side, too. Either way, I'm not quitting and I'm not changing course, because I know this works for my body. Consistency is required, now

[Gilded Lily]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

I'm still up, and out of my window. I did a clean P3/Atkins day yesterday and am down 1.8, but still out of window. It's all my fault, but I'd really like to be "in" for a bit!! So, I'm doing a CD today. Haven't decided yet which one. I may try that burger/egg day. Haven't done that yet and it sounds filling. Can you put low sugar ketchup or mayo on it? Not sure on the over easy egg, haven't made one ever. Will give it a whirl though and let you know. Can't hurt, right?

Have a great day all!!

Thanks Julie. I did (or tried to do!) the burger/egg day and just couldn't stomach it. I have 'meat' issues and it was more than I could handle. I'm working on it though. Most people seem to love the burger/egg day. I used mustard on the side when I just couldn't face the meat. I did drop around 1.5 or so. Good luck with it.

I have had issues with hwc every single round but this one. I started using it right away and IDK if that made a difference or not, but it hasn't caused the wild swings this time. I do always seem to hang out right at the top of my window though.

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

As for me, I'm rather perplexingly still at 170.6 despite a clean day yesterday, correct carbs, within my calorie allotment (which is at a deficit, I might add), AND working out. Best I can tell, the yogurt gave me that allergic reaction I dread and between that and the working out I am seeing a bit of water weight. Because there's really no way I'm not burning fat, at this point.

Today I'll keep on plan with the induction-style correction eating and hope for a better scale outcome tomorrow. I keep forgetting I am still on my period and that usually keeps my weight on the higher side, too. Either way, I'm not quitting and I'm not changing course, because I know this works for my body. Consistency is required, now

TOM plus exercise would be a double whammy for me but we are all different! Kudos to you on the exercise. I so wish I had excerised from the very start of my hcg journey. Oh well, live and learn.

[LaraSuzz]

Julie! 1.8 loss on a clean day is very good! You're almost there!

Brenda~ Thanks =) I'm going to go home and cook up a storm so that I have lots of p3 choices for tomorrow. I'm even trying to remember what time I took my last injection Sunday lol. I think this time I will wait until a couple hours later/seems like it takes extra time to get hcg out of my system which sometimes results in a spike right out of the gate.

I'm excited to eat real food. Dont even want to eat my dinner, lol.
Lara

[Arctic_Mama]

Enjoy your real food and I hope you stabilize like a rock, Lara!

Brenda, meat issues would make the pure protein days rather tough to handle. A fat-fast for a few days may be a wiser option for you, I think . I have had great success with just doing by-the-book Atkins induction to lose the excess when I have gone over, and today is a bit of an aberration regarding the scale when I have been on the aforementioned induction plan. Getting into ketosis and not consuming too much protein or too many excess calories WILL drop your weight as sure as any correction day, if slightly slower (it depends on the person). It is definitely what I'd recommend to you if a pure flesh protein day wasn't acceptable.

[julieboolie]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

I did the burger day with mayo, but it is supposed to be a pure flesh/protein day and low sugar ketchup would be iffy for me. That said, can't hurt to try, right?

I'd wonder if my symptoms were yeast die off except I have been on plan and therapeutically ketogenic for months, and even when I first began the protocol I had NO real detox symptoms. I have never had candida issues in labwork or in reflection on my own physiology and symptoms, so that is highly unlikely to be a culprit. However I am unusual, that is one of the most common health maladies in this country that goes untreated and undiagnosed, so it is a wise thing to check for first! I feel badly for your hubby, though

Dh is bummed too. He's prone to migraines, and the GY seemed to trigger them too. (more for me ) If you're having an allergic reaction (sounds like it), that'll cause some water retention. Don't sweat the scale, just like you said, and keep doing what you're doing. You'll be down soon.

Lara-you sound good. Like you're in a strong place. Good for you!! Only a little longer. You'll be eating yourself silly soon enough!!

Brenda- fortunately for me, I love meat! But w.o that, a GYCD would be my first choice. I too wish I'd have kept w. the exercise all the way along. I'm back into it now, and it took some time, but I'm pretty committed to keeping it up. Even if I eventually do another round, I'm not going to stop.

So far I've had 2 burgers + fried egg on top. Not too bad. I seasoned the burgers but no condiments so far. Planning a third for dinner. I worked out too, good 30 min of weights, HIIT cardio on the elliptical today. Feels good!!

The funny thing about this CD? All I can think about is GY w. strawberries. Kinda' wish I'd have chosen that one in retrospect . But guess what I'll be having for breakfast tomorrow?

I'm stopping the leptin reset too. I just can't seem to get that 50g protein in w.i 30 min. of getting up, and that's a lot of calories when I'm not even hungry. So, I'm not gonna' stay with that.

Have a good evening!!

[Arctic_Mama]

We just keep tweaking until we find what fits, right? Leptin reset isn't a bad idea in theory, but if I eat most of my calories at the beginning of the day I tend to overeat at night. I do essentially the exact opposite, with intermittent fasting until 10 am and then breaking the fast with two eggs and coffee - light, satisfying, and keeps me going until lunch. Biiiig lunch and light dinner, then fasting again.

But goodness, I have tweaked this at LEAST four times, trying different meals being the largest, different fast lengths, different macros when I eat, etc etc. We just try and try and never quit.

Greek yogurt for breakfast sounds yum, btw. And hopefully this CD will be your LAST for awhile!

[LaraSuzz]

Omg you guys I just cooked pork green chile verde and tomato sauce with sweet italian sausages... and then I read the package on the sausages, yep dextrose... less than one gram of sugar... I'm afraid to eat them I dont know why I didnt realize they might have sugar I mean hello its called sweet italian sausages. I've eaten them in the past but they never caused a gain.

maybe I will freeze those and get some hot ones instead? dunno what to do.... ok I went to the store and got italian sausages without freaking sugar omg lol

also I dont feel like eating my dinner. permission to not eat my dinner??? LOL!!!

[Arctic_Mama]

I'd save them for later, at LEAST a week of stabilized P3 before doing the sugar thing, even in small amounts. It might not be the end of the world, but better to not play with fire, right?

[LaraSuzz]

yes I agree. No wonder I never stabilized well before.

I found sugar free Land O'Lakes Whipped cream in a canister at Walmart!!!! woohooo

[julieboolie]

Lara-me too!! Just got the whipped cream the other day. Never saw it before this week. I think it's good you froze the sweet ones. You should make it as easy on yourself as possible!!

Taryl- yep-that's my problem w. the leptin plan. I was eating 1/3 or more of my cals then really hungry later in the day.

I didn't make it all the way through my CD!! I did 2 burgers - bfast and lunch w/ the egg. Then I had some Voskos GY I just really wanted it after my workout. So, I had it. I had a burger and some ceasar salad for dinner. So, we'll call it a high fat/protein day instead of a true CD. Def induction clean though .

Ironically, since I decided to not try to lose more weight, I got loads of compliments today. One friend mentioned it twice, pointed out my arms and how slim I was!! Ya' gotta' love that reinforcement!! Quite happy w. my decision and looking forward to wiggling back into window!!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by julieboolie

Lara-me too!! Just got the whipped cream the other day. Never saw it before this week. I think it's good you froze the sweet ones. You should make it as easy on yourself as possible!!

Taryl- yep-that's my problem w. the leptin plan. I was eating 1/3 or more of my cals then really hungry later in the day.

I didn't make it all the way through my CD!! I did 2 burgers - bfast and lunch w/ the egg. Then I had some Voskos GY I just really wanted it after my workout. So, I had it. I had a burger and some ceasar salad for dinner. So, we'll call it a high fat/protein day instead of a true CD. Def induction clean though .

Ironically, since I decided to not try to lose more weight, I got loads of compliments today. One friend mentioned it twice, pointed out my arms and how slim I was!! Ya' gotta' love that reinforcement!! Quite happy w. my decision and looking forward to wiggling back into window!!

Julie
I just noticed that you weighed what I weighed when I started HHCG(I was 2lbs more).
How long did it take you to loose that much?OR how many rounds?