Question for rx users...mixing injections & drops?

shelbyla · 05-18-2012, 08:49 AM

Hi everyone!

Just wanted to throw this question out there for the rx users...

I bought an rx kit that came with all the supplies, including the insulin needles. What I realized this morning was that the kit only included 20 needles, and a round is 21 effective doses.

So my question is, what now? I have hhcg that I could use for a day at the end. I could take the hcg sublingually for the last day. I could try to scrounge up an insulin needle somewhere (but I really only need 1 so I would hate to but a package). I could just end my round at 20 days.

This is a reshaping/re-do round and I am only about 3 pounds from where I would like to eventually end up so I will probably be upping my calories next week anyway to keep from losing more weight (the "girls" really can't stand to lose too much more!

). I don't NEED to go longer. I just want to make sure this round really sticks as I had trouble with my last round.

Any thoughts or advice? Appreciate all the help as always!

lexi123 · 05-18-2012, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Hi everyone!

Just wanted to throw this question out there for the rx users...

I bought an rx kit that came with all the supplies, including the insulin needles. What I realized this morning was that the kit only included 20 needles, and a round is 21 effective doses.

So my question is, what now? I have hhcg that I could use for a day at the end. I could take the hcg sublingually for the last day. I could try to scrounge up an insulin needle somewhere (but I really only need 1 so I would hate to but a package). I could just end my round at 20 days.

This is a reshaping/re-do round and I am only about 3 pounds from where I would like to eventually end up so I will probably be upping my calories next week anyway to keep from losing more weight (the "girls" really can't stand to lose too much more!

). I don't NEED to go longer. I just want to make sure this round really sticks as I had trouble with my last round.

Any thoughts or advice? Appreciate all the help as always!

I would just skip one day...kind of like when you do a long round - don't do the skip day until the middle (at least 7 days in). I did a long round and had a skip day every week and was fine.

shelbyla · 05-18-2012, 09:01 AM

Interesting thought. That's one I didn't come up with!

I am in my last week. Would it still be ok this close to the end?

Arctic_Mama · 05-18-2012, 09:16 AM

Yes, you can skip up to three days without ill effect, as the hCG is in your system 72 hours. Skip a day, dose a day, skip a day, dose a day, skip a day, and finish out the last three doses and 72 hour transition period. You should be fine.

Your first effective dose tends to be VLCD2, by the way the rounds are calculated (two load days, one day skating on those calories, then the hCG kicks in) and so a short round actually ends up being 23 days, which is 20 effective doses.

Clear as mud?

lexi123 · 05-18-2012, 09:34 AM

yes what Taryl said! lol

What ever day you skip just make sure to not have it at the end of the week...for instance

Friday - Skip
Saturday - dose (I would make sure to have at lease one dose day in between your skip and no dose vlcd.)
Sunday - No Dose VLCD

shelbyla · 05-18-2012, 11:36 AM

Sounds good. I will probably skip this upcoming Sunday. That will give me 5 dosing days ending on Friday, with Sat/Sun/Mon my non-dosing days.

Here's another weird question... So if my last dose is next Friday morning, by my count, 72 hours would be Monday morning. Does that mean for Monday lunch I could eat P3? That would be fantastic!

kimberlybimberly · 05-18-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by shelbyla

Sounds good. I will probably skip this upcoming Sunday. That will give me 5 dosing days ending on Friday, with Sat/Sun/Mon my non-dosing days.

Here's another weird question... So if my last dose is next Friday morning, by my count, 72 hours would be Monday morning. Does that mean for Monday lunch I could eat P3? That would be fantastic!

Shelby, I was going to mention the 23 doses, but that has already been covered. If you are intending to follow protocol, Tuesday breakfast would be your first P3 meal. According to protocol, you need three days w/o hCG and Friday you dose and you are "with" hCG for that day. Simeon repeatedly refers to a 26 day course - 2 loading days w/ hCG, 21 VLCDs w/ hCG and 3 VLCDs w/o hCG. Of course, do what works for you.

ETA: I buy syringes at Target.

shelbyla · 05-18-2012, 07:13 PM

All right. It seems that I am going to need 3 more syringes if I wanna do this thang right...

Thanks Kimberly!

mojopage · 05-19-2012, 10:24 AM

...... since you are the only one using the needle, you could re-use some needles.... it is not going to get dull after one use.

C'Marie · 05-19-2012, 11:29 PM

Shelby, I would just go to the pharmacy and ask to purchase a few diabetic needles. No worries. OR - *gasp* I have re-used a needle once or twice. If you go buy a few, don't act weird - just matter-of-fact. You're not doing anything wrong by buying some, and you don't have to explain.

Felina · 05-20-2012, 02:46 AM

I know I'm not supposed to do this but I always use each needle twice. I just clean it with the alcohol. The needle is so small it doesn't get contaminated with blood or anything. It only goes into fat tissue. I'm sure it's perfectly safe as long as you clean each time with alcohol.

shelbyla · 05-20-2012, 09:50 AM

Thanks guys! You're awesome!

I am now in a pickle. I went back and counted (and read P&I) and it seems like I was off on my dates because I thought it was 21 effective doses including loading, not 23. I started loading Saturday May 5th and 23 effective doses (including loading) puts me at May 27th as my LDD with 28th, 29th, and 30th as vlcd no-dose days.

The pickle is two-fold. First, I leave for my Chicago trip on the 31st. I really wanted a couple of P3 days in there prior to traveling as airports can tend to be binge-trigger locations for me and eating my first P3 meal in an airport doesn't really appeal. I CAN do it. It's just not optimal.

Second, as of this morning I hit goal. I really don't need to lose any more weight--I'll be upping protein portions this week to stop the weight loss--so coming back from Chicago and jumping back on plan isn't really necessary at this point EXCEPT for following protocol to the letter.

So...any advice from the collective brain trust?

shelbyla · 05-20-2012, 09:05 PM

Bumping for thoughts and suggestions...

Felina · 05-21-2012, 12:04 AM

Well, if it were me...I'd be so happy to finally hit goal that I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize that. I would follow protocol just to be sure that your goal weight is going to be your new setpoint. Isn't that what you worked so hard for?

Oh, and congrats on reaching goal!!!

Airport food is some of the worst I had but I find that doing low carb is pretty easy when I'm on the road. At least you'll be done with VLCD as that would be difficult. You can pretty much get a salad with the right dressing (like a Cobb salad) or a burger without the bun, roast chicken with green veggies, ham & eggs. All of those should work. I'm sure you'll find that there are lots of low carb options.

jt_gmotu · 05-21-2012, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Thanks guys! You're awesome!

I am now in a pickle. I went back and counted (and read P&I) and it seems like I was off on my dates because I thought it was 21 effective doses including loading, not 23. I started loading Saturday May 5th and 23 effective doses (including loading) puts me at May 27th as my LDD with 28th, 29th, and 30th as vlcd no-dose days.

The pickle is two-fold. First, I leave for my Chicago trip on the 31st. I really wanted a couple of P3 days in there prior to traveling as airports can tend to be binge-trigger locations for me and eating my first P3 meal in an airport doesn't really appeal. I CAN do it. It's just not optimal.

Second, as of this morning I hit goal. I really don't need to lose any more weight--I'll be upping protein portions this week to stop the weight loss--so coming back from Chicago and jumping back on plan isn't really necessary at this point EXCEPT for following protocol to the letter.

So...any advice from the collective brain trust?

Hi Shelby,
Congrats on getting down to goal!

I certainly wouldn't panic! From now till P3, up your protein by 1 (and possibly a veggie) to add 200-300 calories to your daily allotment. (You know like chicken for breakfast! with salsa!) Personally, I'm looking forward to being able to say that statement in the future...but it's a few rounds away!!!

Is your concern that you'll be out of hCG? Typically (from what I've read) Rx hCG stays in your system 72 hours...Personally, I'd want to have 3 straight days of hCG...b4 I went onto the no-dose days. Many folks on Rx skip a dose a week to avoid immunity...but I'm not sure who is medically coaching you. I recommend you check with them...as to spacing out your remaining doses. YMMV.

As to P3 and traveling...I understand about your concern re: wanting a couple of P3 days "under your belt". You might want to take sone nuts and protein onto the plane with you...almost all airports have at least a Subway, where you can get a salad...Hard to see if the dressings have sugar, though. (you could ask to see a packet...) or they may have a dressing for "diabetics"

And...did you get a travel scale? Some of the big online stores have them...so you can monitor how you're doing...

Have a fun trip and congrats again on getting to goal!!!

shelbyla · 05-21-2012, 05:16 AM

Good morning Jodie. Thanks so much for the recommendation.

I think sometimes I get so wrapped up in the explanation, that I forget to ask the question!

I had planned to make LDD this upcoming Friday with Saturday, Sunday and Monday as my vlcd with no dosing which would give me Tuesday and Wednesday on P3 before I leave. But that only gives me 21 days, not 23. To get the 23 days, I would have to dose until Sunday (LDD), with Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday as vlcds and my first P3 day the first day I travel, Thursday. I would rather not do that. I could use my trip as an "interruption" as I WILL have 20 effective doses but I don't need to lose more weight so I don't feel like resuming after my travel weekend. So the question is really this... Can/should I follow my original plan and stop dosing Friday or Saturday to give myself P3 time at home or should I start P3 on Thursday, but risk blowing it in the airport or while I travel? In either case, I would bring food with me on the plane--I don't trust airport food!

I have enough hcg and enough needles if I re-use a couple to go until Saturday or Sunday. I just would really rather not have P3 D1 be the day I travel. I do have a travel scale and I will be taking it with me, you can bet on that!

Thanks again for your input!

kimberlybimberly · 05-21-2012, 05:52 AM

Shelby, you could make your travel day your last VLCD w/o hCG. That way you might feel the need to stick to protocol, helping you avoid the airport temptations. Or, many people stop early w/o problems, have not done that myself. If your weight does stick this week, that might work out wonderfully.

My most recent round was for the same reason as yours this time. I hit goal by the end of the first week. My weight fluctuated a lot around the goal weight for the next two weeks. For me, adding the extras was a little tricky. I've seen others continue to lose that way, though. This whole thing is so individual.

My advice, if you choose to reuse your needles would be to not double dip into the hCG, but to put 2-3 doses in the needle (and only double dip into yourself LOL).

shelbyla · 05-21-2012, 09:05 AM

Thanks kimberly! It helps to hear from others who have been there, done that!

And I appreciate the thought re: loading multiple doses in the needle. Didn't think of that one but it makes sense. As for adding extras, the plan for this week is to up proteins very slowly and not add anything new or different. Yesterday, I included about 0.75 ounces additional protein for one of my meals. I don't need to lose any more--in fact, I'm not sure "the girls" can take it at this point!

I just want to STS and stick here. How did your stabilization go, btw?

I was up a pound this morning but that may be bounce back from bad scale batteries! I got on this morning and I was 5.5 pounds LOWER than yesterday

so I figured something was up! I was like, "132.3????? WTH???

" Changed out the batteries and was "up" a pound from yesterday but not sure that the weigh-in yesterday was accurate, kwim?

At this point, I think I am going to see what my weight does this week with the extra protein. If I stabilize well, I may end Friday. If I don't, I may go the extra days and start P3 Thursday. I was thinking about the airport, and as I thought more, I figured out that I will be doing exactly the same thing either way--taking hard-boiled eggs with me to eat on the plane. The flight leaves at 6am so not too much temptation to eat at 4:30am.

I arrive in Chicago around noon, so either way, I'll need to be able to eat P3 that day.

Again, thanks for your input! Really really appreciate it!

kimberlybimberly · 05-21-2012, 07:09 PM

I am very stable at 120lbs. I'm thinking 120 on the nose for about a week now, started P4 on Saturday. I'm just a teeny bit disappointed about that, as I did get down to 117lbs on the VLCDs w/o hCG. I never use LDW (120lbs BTW), I go by the lowest I get. Went up due to PMS and it stuck. If that happens next month, I might hurt somebody.

Also, BTW, I was eating three 5oz portions of either chicken or beef daily, one apple, two veggies not measured, melba (well pretzels) two or three times per week.

05-18-2012, 08:49 AM	#1
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	Question for rx users...mixing injections & drops? Hi everyone! Just wanted to throw this question out there for the rx users... I bought an rx kit that came with all the supplies, including the insulin needles. What I realized this morning was that the kit only included 20 needles, and a round is 21 effective doses. So my question is, what now? I have hhcg that I could use for a day at the end. I could take the hcg sublingually for the last day. I could try to scrounge up an insulin needle somewhere (but I really only need 1 so I would hate to but a package). I could just end my round at 20 days. This is a reshaping/re-do round and I am only about 3 pounds from where I would like to eventually end up so I will probably be upping my calories next week anyway to keep from losing more weight (the "girls" really can't stand to lose too much more! ). I don't NEED to go longer. I just want to make sure this round really sticks as I had trouble with my last round. Any thoughts or advice? Appreciate all the help as always! __________________ Pre-hhCG cleanse (P1) - 01/03/2011, 12 days, 210 -> 200 hhCG round 1 - 01/15/2011, 32 days, drops, 10/10/10, 200 -> 175 hhCG round 2 - 04/15/2011, 38 days, drops & pellets, 10/4/10, 177 -> 154 hhCG round 3 - 01/03/2012, 23 days, pellets, 3/3/3, 157 -> 141 _hCG round 4 - 05/05/2012, 24 days, rx hCG, 125IU, 148 -> 136 _hCG round 5 - 08/11/2012, 26 days, rx hCG, 125IU, 159 -> 140

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05-18-2012, 09:01 AM	#3
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	Interesting thought. That's one I didn't come up with! I am in my last week. Would it still be ok this close to the end?

05-18-2012, 09:16 AM	#4
Arctic_Mama Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,729 Gallery: Arctic_Mama Stats: 257/163/140 WOE: Atkins 2002 Start Date: R1 12/11, R2 3/12	Yes, you can skip up to three days without ill effect, as the hCG is in your system 72 hours. Skip a day, dose a day, skip a day, dose a day, skip a day, and finish out the last three doses and 72 hour transition period. You should be fine. Your first effective dose tends to be VLCD2, by the way the rounds are calculated (two load days, one day skating on those calories, then the hCG kicks in) and so a short round actually ends up being 23 days, which is 20 effective doses. Clear as mud?

05-18-2012, 09:34 AM	#5
lexi123 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 222 Gallery: lexi123 WOE: hcg Start Date: Jan 12	yes what Taryl said! lol What ever day you skip just make sure to not have it at the end of the week...for instance Friday - Skip Saturday - dose (I would make sure to have at lease one dose day in between your skip and no dose vlcd.) Sunday - No Dose VLCD

05-18-2012, 11:36 AM	#6
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	Sounds good. I will probably skip this upcoming Sunday. That will give me 5 dosing days ending on Friday, with Sat/Sun/Mon my non-dosing days. Here's another weird question... So if my last dose is next Friday morning, by my count, 72 hours would be Monday morning. Does that mean for Monday lunch I could eat P3? That would be fantastic!

05-18-2012, 07:13 PM	#8
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	All right. It seems that I am going to need 3 more syringes if I wanna do this thang right... Thanks Kimberly!

05-19-2012, 10:24 AM	#9
mojopage Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 137 Gallery: mojopage Stats: 5'0" 150.2/138.0/- mini goal 130- long goal 115 WOE: Rx HCG Start Date: 2/1/13	...... since you are the only one using the needle, you could re-use some needles.... it is not going to get dull after one use.

05-19-2012, 11:29 PM	#10
C'Marie Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,047 Gallery: C'Marie Stats: 270/down 110-ish/ goal 147 WOE: hCG Rx shots/JUDDD maintain Start Date: 1/4/2010 Now R9 P2	Shelby, I would just go to the pharmacy and ask to purchase a few diabetic needles. No worries. OR - gasp I have re-used a needle once or twice. If you go buy a few, don't act weird - just matter-of-fact. You're not doing anything wrong by buying some, and you don't have to explain.

05-20-2012, 02:46 AM	#11
Felina Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ca Posts: 379 Gallery: Felina Stats: 250/132/120 WOE: Atkins! HCG, Now JUDDD Start Date: 7/3/11 Atkins, 12/11/11 hhcg, 2/26/13 JUDDD	I know I'm not supposed to do this but I always use each needle twice. I just clean it with the alcohol. The needle is so small it doesn't get contaminated with blood or anything. It only goes into fat tissue. I'm sure it's perfectly safe as long as you clean each time with alcohol.

05-20-2012, 09:50 AM	#12
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	Thanks guys! You're awesome! I am now in a pickle. I went back and counted (and read P&I) and it seems like I was off on my dates because I thought it was 21 effective doses including loading, not 23. I started loading Saturday May 5th and 23 effective doses (including loading) puts me at May 27th as my LDD with 28th, 29th, and 30th as vlcd no-dose days. The pickle is two-fold. First, I leave for my Chicago trip on the 31st. I really wanted a couple of P3 days in there prior to traveling as airports can tend to be binge-trigger locations for me and eating my first P3 meal in an airport doesn't really appeal. I CAN do it. It's just not optimal. Second, as of this morning I hit goal. I really don't need to lose any more weight--I'll be upping protein portions this week to stop the weight loss--so coming back from Chicago and jumping back on plan isn't really necessary at this point EXCEPT for following protocol to the letter. So...any advice from the collective brain trust?

05-20-2012, 09:05 PM	#13
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	Bumping for thoughts and suggestions...

05-21-2012, 12:04 AM	#14
Felina Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ca Posts: 379 Gallery: Felina Stats: 250/132/120 WOE: Atkins! HCG, Now JUDDD Start Date: 7/3/11 Atkins, 12/11/11 hhcg, 2/26/13 JUDDD	Well, if it were me...I'd be so happy to finally hit goal that I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize that. I would follow protocol just to be sure that your goal weight is going to be your new setpoint. Isn't that what you worked so hard for? Oh, and congrats on reaching goal!!! Airport food is some of the worst I had but I find that doing low carb is pretty easy when I'm on the road. At least you'll be done with VLCD as that would be difficult. You can pretty much get a salad with the right dressing (like a Cobb salad) or a burger without the bun, roast chicken with green veggies, ham & eggs. All of those should work. I'm sure you'll find that there are lots of low carb options.

05-21-2012, 05:16 AM	#16
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	Good morning Jodie. Thanks so much for the recommendation. I think sometimes I get so wrapped up in the explanation, that I forget to ask the question! I had planned to make LDD this upcoming Friday with Saturday, Sunday and Monday as my vlcd with no dosing which would give me Tuesday and Wednesday on P3 before I leave. But that only gives me 21 days, not 23. To get the 23 days, I would have to dose until Sunday (LDD), with Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday as vlcds and my first P3 day the first day I travel, Thursday. I would rather not do that. I could use my trip as an "interruption" as I WILL have 20 effective doses but I don't need to lose more weight so I don't feel like resuming after my travel weekend. So the question is really this... Can/should I follow my original plan and stop dosing Friday or Saturday to give myself P3 time at home or should I start P3 on Thursday, but risk blowing it in the airport or while I travel? In either case, I would bring food with me on the plane--I don't trust airport food! I have enough hcg and enough needles if I re-use a couple to go until Saturday or Sunday. I just would really rather not have P3 D1 be the day I travel. I do have a travel scale and I will be taking it with me, you can bet on that! Thanks again for your input!

05-21-2012, 05:52 AM	#17
kimberlybimberly Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,179 Gallery: kimberlybimberly Stats: 184/120/120	Shelby, you could make your travel day your last VLCD w/o hCG. That way you might feel the need to stick to protocol, helping you avoid the airport temptations. Or, many people stop early w/o problems, have not done that myself. If your weight does stick this week, that might work out wonderfully. My most recent round was for the same reason as yours this time. I hit goal by the end of the first week. My weight fluctuated a lot around the goal weight for the next two weeks. For me, adding the extras was a little tricky. I've seen others continue to lose that way, though. This whole thing is so individual. My advice, if you choose to reuse your needles would be to not double dip into the hCG, but to put 2-3 doses in the needle (and only double dip into yourself LOL).

05-21-2012, 09:05 AM	#18
shelbyla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,673 Gallery: shelbyla Stats: 210/141/140 WOE: hhCG, rx hCG Start Date: rx hCG R5 start 08/11/12	Thanks kimberly! It helps to hear from others who have been there, done that! And I appreciate the thought re: loading multiple doses in the needle. Didn't think of that one but it makes sense. As for adding extras, the plan for this week is to up proteins very slowly and not add anything new or different. Yesterday, I included about 0.75 ounces additional protein for one of my meals. I don't need to lose any more--in fact, I'm not sure "the girls" can take it at this point! I just want to STS and stick here. How did your stabilization go, btw? I was up a pound this morning but that may be bounce back from bad scale batteries! I got on this morning and I was 5.5 pounds LOWER than yesterday so I figured something was up! I was like, "132.3????? WTH??? " Changed out the batteries and was "up" a pound from yesterday but not sure that the weigh-in yesterday was accurate, kwim? At this point, I think I am going to see what my weight does this week with the extra protein. If I stabilize well, I may end Friday. If I don't, I may go the extra days and start P3 Thursday. I was thinking about the airport, and as I thought more, I figured out that I will be doing exactly the same thing either way--taking hard-boiled eggs with me to eat on the plane. The flight leaves at 6am so not too much temptation to eat at 4:30am. I arrive in Chicago around noon, so either way, I'll need to be able to eat P3 that day. Again, thanks for your input! Really really appreciate it!

05-21-2012, 07:09 PM	#19
kimberlybimberly Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,179 Gallery: kimberlybimberly Stats: 184/120/120	I am very stable at 120lbs. I'm thinking 120 on the nose for about a week now, started P4 on Saturday. I'm just a teeny bit disappointed about that, as I did get down to 117lbs on the VLCDs w/o hCG. I never use LDW (120lbs BTW), I go by the lowest I get. Went up due to PMS and it stuck. If that happens next month, I might hurt somebody. Also, BTW, I was eating three 5oz portions of either chicken or beef daily, one apple, two veggies not measured, melba (well pretzels) two or three times per week.