P2 Simeon's Protocol Week of 5/14

[dawnyama]

Here ya go! New thread for a new week!

[shelbyla]

Thanks Dawn!

[xxhellokittyxx]

Hi everyone.

I'm still around - round 2 has been much harder than round 1. I'm having a hard time not cheating. I'm much hungrier this time around, and I've caved a few times. Sooo...my loses aren't where they should be.

Dh and I are doing this with 2 other friends. The competitive side of me knows that I really need to stick to plan and have something to show for my efforts.

Mother's Day we went out to eat to Outback Steakhouse. I ate too much, but had a 1lb loss this morning. That's one of my better weigh-ins. Go figure!

I'm working on filling those times of day when I normally snack with household chores. I have to say this house is looking pretty darn good!! LOL

[jt_gmotu]

Was down this AM to 219.0...dealt with having a root canal at 7AM and had P2Chili for lunch with strawberries (easy on the recovering teeth/gums.)

By evening went to sa dinner meeting..ordered shishkabobs...Peppers and meat..I can do this, right? Yikes! The beef was like a Salt Lick! So, I actually returned it. and asked the waitstaff to try one of the uneaten kabobs...Owner came around...and said it was "normal"...and that was the marinade they used...OMG. (They offered a different replacement...I declined, saying thank you...and they took it off my bill.) Won't order that one again tho...

Been forcing fluids tonight..we'll see if scale reacts...but I learned I have to ASK about preparation!!

Unreal.

Here's hoping all your food adventures aren't misadventures!!

[tky72]

Hey there. Started this week...got room for one more on P2 in your group? Brand new to LCF and HCG diet need all the help and support I can get.

[rice paddie]

Originally Posted by tky72

Hey there. Started this week...got room for one more on P2 in your group? Brand new to LCF and HCG diet need all the help and support I can get.

[rice paddie]

Starting vlcd12 today. Scale was down .8lbs this morning so am pleased with that considering that TOM is back. I swear TOM just goes nuts when I'm losing steady and seems to come and go all willy nilly with spotting in between. Ugh!

[vanna1970]

Originally Posted by rice paddie

Hey all,

I'm down .5 this morning. Keeping on the downward trend.

[vanna1970]

Originally Posted by tky72

Hey there. Started this week...got room for one more on P2 in your group? Brand new to LCF and HCG diet need all the help and support I can get.

Welcome! Glad to have you! These ladies know everything. You're in the right place!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by tky72

Hey there. Started this week...got room for one more on P2 in your group? Brand new to LCF and HCG diet need all the help and support I can get.

Hello and welcome to HCG and LCF! Good luck on your round!!!!!

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I was down this morning to a new low for this round of 142.6. Still 1.2 away from my LDW of last round but at least I am back in my "window". I had a very stressful evening (can I just say MEN!!!!! ) and little sleep so I was pleasantly surprised by the scale this morning. Yoga tonight (swear to god I AM going) so I expect a drop tomorrow from dehydration and a gain Thursday from water retention. This morning puts me 2.6 from my goal of 140 (I am between 5'8 and 5'9) on day 11 so another 2.6 off is imminently doable and should give me a few days at the end of the round to hold steady and "set" the new weight. Pants are loose, the girls are shrinking, the 6 pack emerging, and the legs tightening up. I may try to drop to 138 so that 140 is the top of my window but that's just my OCD talking!

Hope everyone has a lovely day!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by xxhellokittyxx

I'm working on filling those times of day when I normally snack with household chores. I have to say this house is looking pretty darn good!! LOL

A clean house AND losing weight...how can you go wrong? Stay strong. You can do it. Are you doing rx or hhcg? Maybe your dosage needs to be adjusted??? Let us know what you are taking and maybe we can help...

Originally Posted by jt_gmotu

Was down this AM to 219.0...dealt with having a root canal at 7AM and had P2Chili for lunch with strawberries (easy on the recovering teeth/gums.)

I am in awe that you stayed OP after having a root canal! Although I guess if you need to have a "procedure" of any kind on this diet, a dental procedure isn't the worst thing in the world!

Originally Posted by rice paddie

Starting vlcd12 today. Scale was down .8lbs this morning so am pleased with that considering that TOM is back. I swear TOM just goes nuts when I'm losing steady and seems to come and go all willy nilly with spotting in between. Ugh!

Yeah TOM happens in strange and mysterious ways on this diet. Great drop for you, especially with TOM in the house (so to speak!).

Originally Posted by vanna1970

Hey all,

I'm down .5 this morning. Keeping on the downward trend.

Yay! Onward and downward!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by tky72

Hey there. Started this week...got room for one more on P2 in your group? Brand new to LCF and HCG diet need all the help and support I can get.

Originally Posted by vanna1970

Hey all,

I'm down .5 this morning. Keeping on the downward trend.

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Hello and welcome to HCG and LCF! Good luck on your round!!!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I was down this morning to a new low for this round of 142.6. Still 1.2 away from my LDW of last round but at least I am back in my "window". I had a very stressful evening (can I just say MEN!!!!! ) and little sleep so I was pleasantly surprised by the scale this morning. Yoga tonight (swear to god I AM going) so I expect a drop tomorrow from dehydration and a gain Thursday from water retention. This morning puts me 2.6 from my goal of 140 (I am between 5'8 and 5'9) on day 11 so another 2.6 off is imminently doable and should give me a few days at the end of the round to hold steady and "set" the new weight. Pants are loose, the girls are shrinking, the 6 pack emerging, and the legs tightening up. I may try to drop to 138 so that 140 is the top of my window but that's just my OCD talking!

Hope everyone has a lovely day!

Shelby
CONGRATULATIONS on your loss I still have questions please. I have read where some of the people are doing HHCG and JUDD how does that work?ALSO...
I am still trying to understand why we eat low fat on PH2 but high fat on
PH3&4? I know we are suppose to maintain during PH3&4 but why not loose?If we can loose with low fat how in the world will I loose eating high fat things.I have alway eaten Reduced fat items.I just don't undertstand?

Also how will our bodies reshape and not have flab sagging with out exercise of some kind? I never exercise and really don't want to becasue it is hard with my arthritis to do much of anything except walk slow.

I stayed the same today so will see how tomorrow goes. I went back on protocol yesterday.

[sunflowerintx]

tky72!

hellokitty, I find it's really hard to get motivated after a cheat. I feel your pain!

Soooo.... I dosed yesterday morning. By lunchtime, I was STARVING and didn't dose again and went back to P3 for dinner. A little gain on the scale but I'm not gonna sweat it. I'm going to work out every day this week (slow walks with big incline on the treadmill) and get back on plan TODAY! I made the mistake yesterday of not dosing first thing in the morning and I'm convinced that's what caused the hunger. I'm certainly not recommending anyone follow my actions...

Goal: be in a new decade by next Wednesday!

I'm going to follow strict protocol until the end of the month and possibly take a 1 week break, then start again with a little rogue plan to get the rest off. I just needed to see some change quickly to get motivated but starting in June, I'm giving myself until November to get to my ultimate goal...taking breaks about every 3 or 4 weeks.

I had two financial blessings yesterday (neither of which is court-ordered child support, but I digress) & I am sooooooo incredibly grateful!

Be blessed!

[shelbyla]

Berta - I'm not a scientist but here is how I understand it. (And maybe Taryl will jump in here if she's reading. She has a much better grasp on the science than I do.)

P2 - The low calorie/low fat diet on P2 is primarily to lose the weight. By restricting the fat (and calories) dramatically, the body with the prompting of hcg is forced to use stored body fat. Think of it like this--when you are pregnant, hcg makes sure your body is burning it's own fat instead of taking nutrition away from the baby. Make sense?

P3 - The high calorie/high fat/low carb diet on P3 is intended to rest the hypothalamus. Eating carbs can mess up the pathways taken from the brain to the fat storage mechanisms. By giving your body 3 weeks to "rest" those pathways, they sort of get straightened out and your body can then start processing calories appropriately. During this time, we are in a way tricking our bodies into believing that we NEED a huge number of calories to just live our lives. To get all of those calories, we need to eat a lot of fat.

I will repeat, despite what the current medical thinking is, FAT IS NOT YOUR ENEMY. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with heart disease, cholesterol levels, or inflammation. In fact, all of those things improve when you eat high fat/low carb. Our bodies store fat when our pathways are messed up and insulin, ghrelin, leptin, and other hormones are misregulated. Once your pathways are all sorted out (which happens in P3), your body can burn calories the way it is supposed to as opposed to storing those calories as body fat.

In P3 it is REALLY important to make your body believe it NEEDS as many calories as possible and thus why you need to stay within or right around your window. You are training your body to believe it needs to eat ~2000 calories per day just to MAINTAIN your weight. This is the magic re-set of the metabolism that happens with HCG. In P4, you CAN lose weight if you choose either through restricting calories (which will actually CAUSE you to lose weight if you do P3 right! ) or through exercise.

As far as exercise goes, because the diet is very muscle sparing, i.e. it burns abnormal fat and NOT muscle (which most very low calorie diets do), people tend to have less sagging skin. If you would like to see what I look like after losing 70 pounds in 6 months, you can search on my goal thread. No sagging--at least none that wasn't there prior to hcg! The sagging you see with most low calorie dieting is due to losing muscle. Nowhere in P&I does it say that you shouldn't exercise. In fact, the only reference that I have ever found is relating to possible water retention after exercise. I have always exercised (even though I'll bet I hate it as much as you do! ). Most people choose not to because it IS harder on the vlcd and it is NOT required in the protocol to lose weight. Exercise DOES help tighten things up and it is great for you in other ways so it is definitely something to add if you choose.

I really hope that helps. I will try to dig up the link to my goal thread and see if Taryl can pop in and make sure I didn't totally misstate anything!

[shelbyla]

Here is my link in case anyone is interested.

ShelbyLA - From Start to Finish with hHCG

The reason I am doing a fourth round is because my last round didn't really stick for some reason... I am hoping I am able to get back to that happy "after" place once again!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Berta - I'm not a scientist but here is how I understand it. (And maybe Taryl will jump in here if she's reading. She has a much better grasp on the science than I do.)

P2 - The low calorie/low fat diet on P2 is primarily to lose the weight. By restricting the fat (and calories) dramatically, the body with the prompting of hcg is forced to use stored body fat. Think of it like this--when you are pregnant, hcg makes sure your body is burning it's own fat instead of taking nutrition away from the baby. Make sense?

P3 - The high calorie/high fat/low carb diet on P3 is intended to rest the hypothalamus. Eating carbs can mess up the pathways taken from the brain to the fat storage mechanisms. By giving your body 3 weeks to "rest" those pathways, they sort of get straightened out and your body can then start processing calories appropriately. During this time, we are in a way tricking our bodies into believing that we NEED a huge number of calories to just live our lives. To get all of those calories, we need to eat a lot of fat.

I will repeat, despite what the current medical thinking is, FAT IS NOT YOUR ENEMY. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with heart disease, cholesterol levels, or inflammation. In fact, all of those things improve when you eat high fat/low carb. Our bodies store fat when our pathways are messed up and insulin, ghrelin, leptin, and other hormones are misregulated. Once your pathways are all sorted out (which happens in P3), your body can burn calories the way it is supposed to as opposed to storing those calories as body fat.

In P3 it is REALLY important to make your body believe it NEEDS as many calories as possible and thus why you need to stay within or right around your window. You are training your body to believe it needs to eat ~2000 calories per day just to MAINTAIN your weight. This is the magic re-set of the metabolism that happens with HCG. In P4, you CAN lose weight if you choose either through restricting calories (which will actually CAUSE you to lose weight if you do P3 right! ) or through exercise.

As far as exercise goes, because the diet is very muscle sparing, i.e. it burns abnormal fat and NOT muscle (which most very low calorie diets do), people tend to have less sagging skin. If you would like to see what I look like after losing 70 pounds in 6 months, you can search on my goal thread. No sagging--at least none that wasn't there prior to hcg! The sagging you see with most low calorie dieting is due to losing muscle. Nowhere in P&I does it say that you shouldn't exercise. In fact, the only reference that I have ever found is relating to possible water retention after exercise. I have always exercised (even though I'll bet I hate it as much as you do! ). Most people choose not to because it IS harder on the vlcd and it is NOT required in the protocol to lose weight. Exercise DOES help tighten things up and it is great for you in other ways so it is definitely something to add if you choose.

I really hope that helps. I will try to dig up the link to my goal thread and see if Taryl can pop in and make sure I didn't totally misstate anything!

Thanks Shelby
Boy that is definetely different than what I have ever heard before. My Dr is dead set against HHCG.BUT he isn't my boss
It is nice to know I don't have to exercise because I have degenerative joint diease and Rhuemotoid arthritis which makes it extremely hard for me to exercise.But hopefully all that will improve once I get this fat off and will be able to do a little more.I can walk & I enjoy going for walks but they are not fast walks.
When I get to PH4 I will probably go back to Spark People or JUDD it sounds like something I could stick with.

[Berta48]

Yesterday was day 21 for me! Trying to decide how much longer to go. I am really wanting to eat some different food.LIKE REALLY REALLY BAD!

I really miss my breakfast and I know I can eat breakfast like an apple with my coffee.But then I am hungry at 2 or 3.When I ate eggs and Canadian bacon or lean ham or TSausage I was never hungry until evening.


DAWN & KIM
TWINKLE, TWINKLE, LITTLE STAR, HOW I WONDER WHERE YOU BOTH ARE?????

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Yesterday was day 21 for me! Trying to decide how much longer to go. I am really wanting to eat some different food.LIKE REALLY REALLY BAD!

I really miss my breakfast and I know I can eat breakfast like an apple with my coffee.But then I am hungry at 2 or 3.When I ate eggs and Canadian bacon or lean ham or TSausage I was never hungry until evening.


DAWN & KIM
TWINKLE, TWINKLE, LITTLE STAR, HOW I WONDER WHERE YOU BOTH ARE?????

One thing to consider Berta--after someone goes off plan, most vets recommend going AT LEAST a week afterwards in P2 to try and head off any stabilization issues.

Just a thought on timing...

On the hunger, if you really like breakfast, I would recommend eating either a fruit or a melba or 1/2 a portion of protein for breakfast, eating the rest for lunch, then having a normal P2 dinner. Also, broth (chicken, beef, veggie) can really help fill you up if you are tired of tea.

[cocoapeanut]

Hi everyone! I'm new too. I've been reading through all of these posts for a little while and decided to finally post and say hello! Yay first post!

Basic background: I started injecting HCG on 4/21 (4/21 and 4/22 were my loading days) so today is injection day 25 for me. I was 186.5 lbs post loading and am now 170! Excited to see how the rest of this P2 goes! :] I'm 5'10 so thinking that my super end goal may be around 150 but I'd be happy to end between 160-165 for now. I have the help of a clinic, so they thankfully fill my syringes for me!

I can tell I'm losing more fat than I would on a starvation diet (and a lot of other diets I've tried), so that's pretty awesome.

I'm doing well with P2 so far and haven't cheated at all, but I've been thinking hardcore about peanut butter lately - hahaha.

Everyone seems to be doing really well so I congratulate you! Have a lovely day :]

[ASHLEY2HAWAII]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Yesterday was day 21 for me! Trying to decide how much longer to go. I am really wanting to eat some different food.LIKE REALLY REALLY BAD!

I really miss my breakfast and I know I can eat breakfast like an apple with my coffee.But then I am hungry at 2 or 3.When I ate eggs and Canadian bacon or lean ham or TSausage I was never hungry until evening.


DAWN & KIM
TWINKLE, TWINKLE, LITTLE STAR, HOW I WONDER WHERE YOU BOTH ARE?????

Berta, I would have and egg with melba as my breakfast, then for lunch have my remaining 3 boiled egg whites on a salad with waldenfarms bacon ranch dressing. It really help spread the food out and helped with the hunger. You are doing great hang in there!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Hi everyone! I'm new too. I've been reading through all of these posts for a little while and decided to finally post and say hello! Yay first post!

Basic background: I started injecting HCG on 4/21 (4/21 and 4/22 were my loading days) so today is injection day 25 for me. I was 186.5 lbs post loading and am now 170! Excited to see how the rest of this P2 goes! :] I'm 5'10 so thinking that my super end goal may be around 150 but I'd be happy to end between 160-165 for now. I have the help of a clinic, so they thankfully fill my syringes for me!

I can tell I'm losing more fat than I would on a starvation diet (and a lot of other diets I've tried), so that's pretty awesome.

I'm doing well with P2 so far and haven't cheated at all, but I've been thinking hardcore about peanut butter lately - hahaha.

Everyone seems to be doing really well so I congratulate you! Have a lovely day :]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

One thing to consider Berta--after someone goes off plan, most vets recommend going AT LEAST a week afterwards in P2 to try and head off any stabilization issues.

Just a thought on timing...

On the hunger, if you really like breakfast, I would recommend eating either a fruit or a melba or 1/2 a portion of protein for breakfast, eating the rest for lunch, then having a normal P2 dinner. Also, broth (chicken, beef, veggie) can really help fill you up if you are tired of tea.

Yes I have decided I have came this far I can make it to at least 30 days. It was 21 days yesterday and I have lost 18 lbs so that is pretty good.I like the broth too I use it to make my PH2 Chili!
If I hadn't used that dumb muscle rub and gained 2lbs it would have been more

Originally Posted by ASHLEY2HAWAII

Berta, I would have and egg with melba as my breakfast, then for lunch have my remaining 3 boiled egg whites on a salad with waldenfarms bacon ranch dressing. It really help spread the food out and helped with the hunger. You are doing great hang in there!

I like this idea yes indeedy I do. One egg with a melba and my coffee!
But wouldn't that be 2 boiled egg whites instead of 3?

[ASHLEY2HAWAII]

Berta, you can have 1 whole egg plus 3 whites, so enjoy! Or you can make a 3 egg white omelet for breakfast and have 1 whole boiled egg for the salad. ( I love eggs and used them a lot for p2)

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by ASHLEY2HAWAII

Berta, you can have 1 whole egg plus 3 whites, so enjoy! Or you can make a 3 egg white omelet for breakfast and have 1 whole boiled egg for the salad. ( I love eggs and used them a lot for p2)

Well I know it was one egg and 2 egg whites so what changed? I love eggs too!

[ASHLEY2HAWAII]

shelbyla made a sticky at the top of the forum called HCG diet short form and she is an expert at this diet, I believe it is in the protocol as well. I had no problem with the 3 egg whites.

[shelbyla]

Yep according to P&I, it's 3 whites and one whole egg... Every little bitty egg white counts! Here is the relevant passage...

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...we allow egg - boiled, poached or raw - to patients who develop
an aversion to meat, but in this case they must add the white of three eggs to the one they eat whole. In countries where cottage cheese made from skimmed milk is available 100 grams may occasionally be used instead of the meat, but no other cheeses are allowed.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Well I know it was one egg and 2 egg whites so what changed? I love eggs too!

Nothing has changed. It was always 1 whole egg + 3 whites. Never any less

You asked about JUDDD and hcg. While you are on P2, you follow the hcg diet. That is the 500 calorie portion of the P2 while taking the hcg. When some people come off the protocol, they want to try JUDDD to either maintain their losses or continue losing weight so they don't have to do another P2 again. You do NOT do the 2 together--it won't work! So you can have a plan for when you are done and come off the hcg---I mean after your final round of P2. Personally, I think it is popular amongst those who do hcg because we already know how to portion out 500 calories on the down days (DD).

[dawnyama]

Shelby--I never exercised on P2 because my energy was kaput once I started on the 500 calories portion of P2. I just had no energy once I started the hcg. Well, was never energetic before I started either! But it just got worse once I started P2 LOL.

[Berta48]

Thank you ladies
I have alot to learn about this plan still!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Nothing has changed. It was always 1 whole egg + 3 whites. Never any less

You asked about JUDDD and hcg. While you are on P2, you follow the hcg diet. That is the 500 calorie portion of the P2 while taking the hcg. When some people come off the protocol, they want to try JUDDD to either maintain their losses or continue losing weight so they don't have to do another P2 again. You do NOT do the 2 together--it won't work! So you can have a plan for when you are done and come off the hcg---I mean after your final round of P2. Personally, I think it is popular amongst those who do hcg because we already know how to portion out 500 calories on the down days (DD).

Well I've been cheating myself because I thought it was two egg whites
How are you doing now Dawn?I sure miss you when you don't post here.
And I wonder where Kim is and how she is doing??
Also what is the right thing to do when you forget to take the drops? We ate at our friends the other evening and when we arrived I remembered I hadn't brought my drops.SO I ate grilled chicken breast and my strawberries and then when I got home I took the drops and went to bed? So I don't know if this stalled me any or not?But then mother's day was not on protocol but thus far I am ok. Will see what tomorrow brings?

[dawnyama]

I guess you have been shorting yourself, then! It has always been 3 whites to one whole. Sorry you have shorted yourself, Berta. I thought we had this cleared up this when you asked/mentioned this the first time. You have done well in your 3 weeks on plan--18 lbs down??!!! Super fantastic!!! I lose 15 in my 21 days, so you have surpassed me on any normal, good round! Good going!!

I am doing Ok. Thanks berta. I just stopped taking the OTC meds me doctor wanted me to take. I just don't want to take them anymore. I may have to add them back in soon because my throat is still all clogged up and phlegmy feeling. Ick!! But the meds were not clearing me up anyhow. So, I may just have to live with it!