P2 Simeon's Protocol Week of 5/14

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by rice paddie

VLCD13 - was up .2lbs on the scale this morning. Gonna blame it on TOM because I've been very strict with my eating. Although, I did give in and put lotion on last night. I know we're not supposed to use lotions or moisturizers on protocol but my skin just felt so dang dry that I couldn't stand it any longer. Maybe that's what caused the little uptick in the weight but I can't for the life of me understand how using moisturizer would affect the protocol.....

I know that most people will change out all their beauty products but I have a confession: I don't! I knew about the rule and asked my clinic about it at the beginning, and they told me not to worry about it, so I figured..well, another less thing to worry about then!

I've seriously had a massage and even rubbed pure coconut oil into my skin and hair, and it hasn't affected me at all. I've read into the science of the layers of our skin barrier and decided that the whole "skin absorbs calories" thing is the one thing on this diet I'd probably disagree with. (I guess I'm rogue that way? Haha) Now, if you still wanna be strict, of course that's totally your call! I just thought I'd share my own experiences in case it made you feel better.

You're likely just experiencing a slight fluctuation from water, TOM, etc. Scales don't tell the whole story. Stay positive and motivated - you'll get through it!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

I know that most people will change out all their beauty products but I have a confession: I don't! I knew about the rule and asked my clinic about it at the beginning, and they told me not to worry about it, so I figured..well, another less thing to worry about then!

I've seriously had a massage and even rubbed pure coconut oil into my skin and hair, and it hasn't affected me at all. I've read into the science of the layers of our skin barrier and decided that the whole "skin absorbs calories" thing is the one thing on this diet I'd probably disagree with. (I guess I'm rogue that way? Haha) Now, if you still wanna be strict, of course that's totally your call! I just thought I'd share my own experiences in case it made you feel better.

You're likely just experiencing a slight fluctuation from water, TOM, etc. Scales don't tell the whole story. Stay positive and motivated - you'll get through it!

No it was a week or so ago and it was from the muscle rub.I changed my hair products and tooth paste and soap. I followed Dr Simeons instructions after 25 years of research,I felt he knew what he was talkng about.I don't understand it but from what eveyone else here says it is necessary on HHCG.
After using the muscle rub I was back down the 2lbs the next day after not useing it. I am on HHCG so that may be the difference.

[shelbyla]

For me, on the lotions, I just figure if I am going to eat 500 calories a day for 3 weeks+, I am not going to let a conditioner or some dry skin keep me from losing weight. It's too much of a sacrifice to me to eat the 500 calories and too important for me to lose the weight to get derailed. Of course, I don't have particularly dry skin and I only wash my hair once a week so it's not as much of an issue for me. I think a lot of people continue to use their regular products and have absolutely no issues. It just wasn't worth it to me to find out!

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

For me, on the lotions, I just figure if I am going to eat 500 calories a day for 3 weeks+, I am not going to let a conditioner or some dry skin keep me from losing weight. It's too much of a sacrifice to me to eat the 500 calories and too important for me to lose the weight to get derailed. Of course, I don't have particularly dry skin and I only wash my hair once a week so it's not as much of an issue for me. I think a lot of people continue to use their regular products and have absolutely no issues. It just wasn't worth it to me to find out!

Haha I totally understand that. I also only wash my hair about once or twice a week. I was worried about it when I was stalling but I came out of the stall the day after washing my hair and rubbing coconut oil on this chest rash I developed (it doesn't itch but it's been there since my second week), so I figured it had no effect. At least for me. When it comes to the diet and the sacrifice I'm in it to win it though, so if it was affecting me, you bet I'd cut that out in a heartbeat!

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

For me, on the lotions, I just figure if I am going to eat 500 calories a day for 3 weeks+, I am not going to let a conditioner or some dry skin keep me from losing weight. It's too much of a sacrifice to me to eat the 500 calories and too important for me to lose the weight to get derailed. Of course, I don't have particularly dry skin and I only wash my hair once a week so it's not as much of an issue for me. I think a lot of people continue to use their regular products and have absolutely no issues. It just wasn't worth it to me to find out!

Do you think I would loose a bit better if I started useing the pellets I have from tomorrow morning until my LDday?About one more wek?

[shelbyla]

Berta - I didn't really notice a difference in the amount of weight lost between the pellets and the drops. Honestly, if I were you, I'd just stick with what you have open. It DOES slow down later in the round so that's really what is happening now. Stay strong!

[shelbyla]

Oooooo! Cocoa, I just realized that you live in Chicago! I'm an Illini, myself. Orginally from the Charleston area (where EIU is). I have tons of friends and family in the Chi-town area and I'll be in Chicago in a couple of weeks to visit my best friend. So...yeah...anyway...

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Berta - I didn't really notice a difference in the amount of weight lost between the pellets and the drops. Honestly, if I were you, I'd just stick with what you have open. It DOES slow down later in the round so that's really what is happening now. Stay strong!

[sunflowerintx]

cocoa, Berta & Shelby - thank you all so much!!!!

I will definitely be Christian's biggest cheerleader but I see some challenges in the food department for sure! He is actually pretty active, rides his bike daily, plays soccer, loves to mow the lawn. That definitely means it's his diet. He eats pizza at school for lunch daily & I don't see that changing so I will encourage more water and better eating at home.

Berta, he LOVES to swim but doesn't do it right for exercise purposes. Even if he is swimming laps, he takes way too many breaks to get his heart rate up! Even at the gym last night he kept stopping to mess with his phone. I'm barely eating and I was walking my butt off on the treadmill!!!

We did talk about go and slow foods & we will review the WW information this weekend. He's my carb hound, pizza, chips, cookies, crackers, pretzels...I rarely buy that stuff but when I do it's gone IMMEDIATELY!

I was a size 9 or 11 in juniors in high school and I was also called fat....I would LOOOOOOOVE to be that fat again!!!!

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Oooooo! Cocoa, I just realized that you live in Chicago! I'm an Illini, myself. Orginally from the Charleston area (where EIU is). I have tons of friends and family in the Chi-town area and I'll be in Chicago in a couple of weeks to visit my best friend. So...yeah...anyway...

AWESOME!! My neighbor went to EIU, and I went to UIUC for a couple of years before transferring out. My bf is an ISU grad! When you come, let me know what you're up to and maybe we can get some coffee or something! YAY

Also, I should probably mention that I work in the music industry and am currently job searching and trying to move to LA, so...more opportunities to stalk each other then

[Berta48]

Another question

What kind of coconut oil is best to purchase?I read online to only buy virgin and only in a jar? Is this true?
also I am very seriously thinking of tomorrow being my LDW I am simply so very hungry just all the time. And I am ready to quit if I don't get some food.

I have lost 16.6 lbs in 23 days so that is pretty good isn't it? OR would it be best to go on to 30days?

I also read if you had over 40lbs to loose to do 40 days.But I just don't think I can make it even to 30 days.need some advice please.

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Another question

What kind of coconut oil is best to purchase?I read online to only buy virgin and only in a jar? Is this true?
also I am very seriously thinking of tomorrow being my LDW I am simply so very hungry just all the time. And I am ready to quit if I don't get some food.

I have lost 16.6 lbs in 23 days so that is pretty good isn't it? OR would it be best to go on to 30days?

I also read if you had over 40lbs to loose to do 40 days.But I just don't think I can make it even to 30 days.need some advice please.

Virgin coconut oil retains the coconut taste, while expeller-pressed tastes more neutral. It's traditionally sold in jars. I've found that it tastes different depending on the brand, so you'll have to experiment. I personally like the Whole Foods brand of coconut oil (wonderfully coconutty!) but Tropical Traditions makes a good coconut oil as well. The Tropical Traditions website has a buy one get one free deal on coconut oil right now - 2 16oz jars for $20, which is a great deal and will last you a while

If you're hungry a lot, I've read that it could be an issue with your hCG dosage. I've seen people that have lowered their dosage in that situation and felt much better. Having to suffer hunger all the time would definitely make things much more difficult, so I suggest you at least see if that helps you before deciding to give up completely. You've done well so far, so if I were you, I'd ask myself "Will I be proud of what I've accomplished, or will I regret stopping early?" Remember that you won't be able to do P2 again for a while!

I've also read about some people doing "interrupts" but I don't know much about them, so perhaps someone else that knows more can fill you in.

A lot of people ONLY do short rounds because they like it better, so ultimately, the most success will come by doing what works best for you! Good luck

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Virgin coconut oil retains the coconut taste, while expeller-pressed tastes more neutral. It's traditionally sold in jars. I've found that it tastes different depending on the brand, so you'll have to experiment. I personally like the Whole Foods brand of coconut oil (wonderfully coconutty!) but Tropical Traditions makes a good coconut oil as well. The Tropical Traditions website has a buy one get one free deal on coconut oil right now - 2 16oz jars for $20, which is a great deal and will last you a while

If you're hungry a lot, I've read that it could be an issue with your hCG dosage. I've seen people that have lowered their dosage in that situation and felt much better. Having to suffer hunger all the time would definitely make things much more difficult, so I suggest you at least see if that helps you before deciding to give up completely. You've done well so far, so if I were you, I'd ask myself "Will I be proud of what I've accomplished, or will I regret stopping early?" Remember that you won't be able to do P2 again for a while!

I've also read about some people doing "interrupts" but I don't know much about them, so perhaps someone else that knows more can fill you in.

A lot of people ONLY do short rounds because they like it better, so ultimately, the most success will come by doing what works best for you! Good luck

I don't want to do PH3 again for awhile.BUT I don't want to quit either.I have doen well and I have at least five more rounds to do.So I believe I am stopping PH2 tomorrow. I will at least be able to eat. I can not take this any longer. I am proud for sticking withit as long as I have. But I am moving ontoPH3.
Thanks for your inuput and info on the oil

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Another question

What kind of coconut oil is best to purchase?I read online to only buy virgin and only in a jar? Is this true?
also I am very seriously thinking of tomorrow being my LDW I am simply so very hungry just all the time. And I am ready to quit if I don't get some food.

I have lost 16.6 lbs in 23 days so that is pretty good isn't it? OR would it be best to go on to 30days?

I also read if you had over 40lbs to loose to do 40 days.But I just don't think I can make it even to 30 days.need some advice please.

Berta - just another input here...I see you have decided to "stop" tomorrow... Personally, I would go at least a week after a cheat for fear of not stabilizing well in P3. Obviously it's better to call it than cheat again, but are you sure you can't muscle through this with an adjustment in dose or something? 16 pounds in 23 days is fantastic but please please don't let today's bump up from Sunday's cheat impact how you are thinking about this. Also, you still have to do two more days of VLC AFTER your LDD (last dose day) so you'll still have a few more days where you need to eat the foods. If today is LDD, tomorrow and Friday would be your two days, starting P3 Saturday. We will support you whatever yo decide. I just want you to have the best chance possible at stabilizing in P3!

[dawnyama]

Berta--Congratulations on a great round!! You have done so well. Yeah for P3 foods. Now, go and look at the P3 threads so you can decide on what to eat when you go into P3. Or I can see if some old posts are still around. Let me know if you want me to dig some up!

I love Tropical Traditions oil as well. I buy that brand all the time. They have specials all the time--free shipping, buy one get one free...that sort of thing. Great company! I buy the virgin coconut oil for my daily dose and expeller pressed for everything else. My kids don't like coconutty tasting things so I have to have the expeller pressed at all times!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

AWESOME!! My neighbor went to EIU, and I went to UIUC for a couple of years before transferring out. My bf is an ISU grad! When you come, let me know what you're up to and maybe we can get some coffee or something! YAY

Also, I should probably mention that I work in the music industry and am currently job searching and trying to move to LA, so...more opportunities to stalk each other then

I will definitely keep it in mind! I am visiting an old friend and letting him drive the bus (so to speak!) but if I have an opportunity to get together with you, I will let you know for sure. I love meeting LCFs in person! On the music biz thing, I wish I had more contacts in that industry to help you out but if you DO end up moving, I can certainly help with info and advice on where to live, traffic, food, bars, etc. Oh, and a convenient LCF to lean on. Coolio!

[sunflowerintx]

Berta...i really think you should try for 40 days. Just my opinion, and maybe try splitting doses more throughout the day?

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I will definitely keep it in mind! I am visiting an old friend and letting him drive the bus (so to speak!) but if I have an opportunity to get together with you, I will let you know for sure. I love meeting LCFs in person! On the music biz thing, I wish I had more contacts in that industry to help you out but if you DO end up moving, I can certainly help with info and advice on where to live, traffic, food, bars, etc. Oh, and a convenient LCF to lean on. Coolio!

Hooray, I could definitely use that kind of advice if I move! As well as a new buddy

I think I'm gonna go prep dinner - tonight it'll be tilapia, spinach, strawberries, and my little grissini! I like to keep it simple.

to everyone!

[Arctic_Mama]

Cocoapeanut, your screen name is making me hungry!

[cocoapeanut]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Mama

Cocoapeanut, your screen name is making me hungry!

Hahaha - sorry!! I'm an absolute fanatic about chocolate peanut butter things. I also like both items separately

One of my loading foods of choice was a really big chocolate peanut butter ice cream milkshake (sorry if this causes any bad bad thoughts..)

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

Berta - just another input here...I see you have decided to "stop" tomorrow... Personally, I would go at least a week after a cheat for fear of not stabilizing well in P3. Obviously it's better to call it than cheat again, but are you sure you can't muscle through this with an adjustment in dose or something? 16 pounds in 23 days is fantastic but please please don't let today's bump up from Sunday's cheat impact how you are thinking about this. Also, you still have to do two more days of VLC AFTER your LDD (last dose day) so you'll still have a few more days where you need to eat the foods. If today is LDD, tomorrow and Friday would be your two days, starting P3 Saturday. We will support you whatever yo decide. I just want you to have the best chance possible at stabilizing in P3!

I am not letting my gain effect my thinking.Honest.I am just plain HUNGRY. I did not load right and then got sick both days and up chucked everything.SO my 2 load days were out the window. I Nhave at least another 4-6 rounds so I am moving on.

Originally Posted by dawnyama

Berta--Congratulations on a great round!! You have done so well. Yeah for P3 foods. Now, go and look at the P3 threads so you can decide on what to eat when you go into P3. Or I can see if some old posts are still around. Let me know if you want me to dig some up!

I love Tropical Traditions oil as well. I buy that brand all the time. They have specials all the time--free shipping, buy one get one free...that sort of thing. Great company! I buy the virgin coconut oil for my daily dose and expeller pressed for everything else. My kids don't like coconutty tasting things so I have to have the expeller pressed at all times!

Thanks Dawn I appreciate you so much sure wish you were here all the timeBut I know you have to work.

I was hoping I would have about 40lbs off but I can notmake it and I can not go longer.I have to get some food in me.I am beginning to cheat just a little tiny bit every day becasue I am so hungry.So Tomorrow in my LDD.I will dose in themorning and weigh and the eat 500 for 2 days without the HHCG and SUnday I can go out and eat like a normal person!! I am so ready.

I have done 23 days and lost 16.6 so I really can't complain and it will probably me more in the morning.

So do I stay here on PH3 or move to the PH3 thread and check back in once in awhile??

I think I have PH3 foods.It is meat with fat and dark meat chicken with skin and cream cheese NPNT butter sourcream.butter etc.

My plan is to eat meat and veggies and 2 fruit ONLY each day. I will have veggies like celery with NPNTB or cream cheese or an apple or berries for snacks.

How about SF pudding and jello & crustless Cheese cake

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Berta48

I am not letting my gain effect my thinking.Honest.I am just plain HUNGRY. I did not load right and then got sick both days and up chucked everything.SO my 2 load days were out the window. I Nhave at least another 4-6 rounds so I am moving on.


So Tomorrow in my LDD.I will dose in themorning and weigh and the eat 500 for 2 days without the HHCG and SUnday I can go out and eat like a normal person!! I am so ready.

So do I stay here on PH3 or move to the PH3 thread and check back in once in awhile??


I think I have PH3 foods.It is meat with fat and dark meat chicken with skin and cream cheese NPNT butter sourcream.butter etc.

My plan is to eat meat and veggies and 2 fruit ONLY each day. I will have veggies like celery with NPNTB or cream cheese or an apple or berries for snacks.

How about SF pudding and jello & crustless Cheese cake

I was worried about how well you would do when I heard about your loading troubles. So glad you made it this far! Great job!

On HHCG, you only have to wait 48 hours so if LDD is tomorrow morning, you could have P3 breakfast or lunch 48 hours later which would be Saturday, instead of Sunday.

You can stay and cheer us on but please don't talk TOO much about all the yummy food that you are eating... It would torment us too much!

What the heck is NPNTB?

Yes, you can have SF pudding, jello, and crustless cheesecake made with sweetener! I would be cautious though in how quickly you add then in and add one thing at a time,in case you have a sensitivity to anything.

Yay! P3!!!!!

[xxhellokittyxx]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

A clean house AND losing weight...how can you go wrong? Stay strong. You can do it. Are you doing rx or hhcg? Maybe your dosage needs to be adjusted??? Let us know what you are taking and maybe we can help...

Shelby- I have been taking hhcg. Some days I forget to take it. I just get so busy. The past 2 days I've been having trouble with energy. I have adrenal burnout (as diagnosed by my doctor), and I'm really struggling. I've been dizzy/lightheaded and lacking the desire to move off the couch. My dh bought some vitamin stuff to mix into water. It has zero calories/carbs. I tried it before dinner and it gave me a little boost, but not a lot.

I am open to suggestions. I feel like I really need more protein.

Diet:
B - apple & hot tea
L - P2 chili, maybe a gluten-free breadstick
D - mahi-mahi on spinach or grilled chicken on greens (dd says "leaves")
S - 4 strawberries blended with lemon juice & ice

When I remember, I take 3-4 pellets in the middle of the night when I get up to pee, a few more mid-afternoon, and a few more after the kids go to bed.

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

I was worried about how well you would do when I heard about your loading troubles. So glad you made it this far! Great job!

On HHCG, you only have to wait 48 hours so if LDD is tomorrow morning, you could have P3 breakfast or lunch 48 hours later which would be Saturday, instead of Sunday.

You can stay and cheer us on but please don't talk TOO much about all the yummy food that you are eating... It would torment us too much!

What the heck is NPNTB?

Yes, you can have SF pudding, jello, and crustless cheesecake made with sweetener! I would be cautious though in how quickly you add then in and add one thing at a time,in case you have a sensitivity to anything.

Yay! P3!!!!!

Thanks that's nice to knowI thought it was 2 days after your LDD.I will eat like PH2 except for the change in meat and mixing veggies for awhile. Probably a week or maybe two!So guess hubby will have to take me out to breakfast Saturday after all

Can I still eat the waldens farm things and Reduced fat buttermilk Ranch?I will be eating cream cheese and butter and fattier meats.

NPNTB(Natural Peanut butter)

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by sunflowerintx

Berta...i really think you should try for 40 days. Just my opinion, and maybe try splitting doses more throughout the day?

I can't do it. I will quit first.This is just to much for me. I have to have some different food.I am only doing 21days from now on. It will take me longer but that's fine.I am not in any hurry!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by Berta48

Thanks that's nice to knowI thought it was 2 days after your LDD.I will eat like PH2 except for the change in meat and mixing veggies for awhile. Probably a week or maybe two!So guess hubby will have to take me out to breakfast Saturday after all

Can I still eat the waldens farm things and Reduced fat buttermilk Ranch?I will be eating cream cheese and butter and fattier meats.

NPNTB(Natural Peanut butter)

YEs you can eat Walden Farms but why??? Eat REAL full-fat dressing woman! That's what P3 is for! Also, peanuts are not really a nut but a legume. Most people say to wait on peanut butter until P4. Try almond butter for P3. Tell your hubs to LOOK OUT! Berta is ready for her P3 brekkie on Saturday!

[shelbyla]

Originally Posted by xxhellokittyxx

Shelby- I have been taking hhcg. Some days I forget to take it. I just get so busy. The past 2 days I've been having trouble with energy. I have adrenal burnout (as diagnosed by my doctor), and I'm really struggling. I've been dizzy/lightheaded and lacking the desire to move off the couch. My dh bought some vitamin stuff to mix into water. It has zero calories/carbs. I tried it before dinner and it gave me a little boost, but not a lot.

I am open to suggestions. I feel like I really need more protein.

Diet:
B - apple & hot tea
L - P2 chili, maybe a gluten-free breadstick
D - mahi-mahi on spinach or grilled chicken on greens (dd says "leaves")
S - 4 strawberries blended with lemon juice & ice

When I remember, I take 3-4 pellets in the middle of the night when I get up to pee, a few more mid-afternoon, and a few more after the kids go to bed.

I am hypo-adrenal as well so I feel ya on the fatigue. I would recommend a couple of things to help you through P2. Get yourself a good B100 vitamin (preferably capsules). Also, get some sublingual B12 5000mg. If you can get the methycobalamin form it is better absorbed than the cyanocobalamin which is more common. A lot of people who are hypo-adrenal, especially on P2, have iron issues. For that I would recommend getting some iron (bi)glycinate which usually comes in 18 or 27mg caps. I would start with ~50mg in the morning and see how you do. If you tolerate that well, start taking 2 at night as well.

As far as food goes, you can probably have more strawberries than 4. I usually eat around 7oz which end up being about 8-10 medium strawberries. I think you might also benefit from upping either your chicken portion or your fish portion to 125-150g (4-5oz). I wouldn't do it with the beef but the other two should be ok.

HTH

[Berta48]

Originally Posted by shelbyla

YEs you can eat Walden Farms but why??? Eat REAL full-fat dressing woman! That's what P3 is for! Also, peanuts are not really a nut but a legume. Most people say to wait on peanut butter until P4. Try almond butter for P3. Tell your hubs to LOOK OUT! Berta is ready for her P3 brekkie on Saturday!

WF because I bought it and don't want it wasted.ONLY reason.I will try almond butter I have never before as it so high fat.This still amazes me.Sure hope I don't gain on this PH 3&4.The silly calculator said to maintain I needed over 2000 calories a day

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by Berta48

WF because I bought it and don't want it wasted.ONLY reason.I will try almond butter I have never before as it so high fat.This still amazes me.Sure hope I don't gain on this PH 3&4.The silly calculator said to maintain I needed over 2000 calories a day

You have to eat high fat berta. You will be amazed on how you much you can eat and still be the same on the scale when you do! You take away the sugar and carbs and you can eat a lot without gaining. I did anyway No fat free anything on P3--time to use real food and full fat baby. Try full fat yogurt, butter, heavy whipping cream, avocado in your salad, eggs and bacon. It is all good and good for you. I could go on but those of us on P2 are drooling now, sorry I know because that is what I could really use right now. You do this in your P3 and your next P2 will go smoother than this last time.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by xxhellokittyxx

Shelby- I have been taking hhcg. Some days I forget to take it. I just get so busy. The past 2 days I've been having trouble with energy. I have adrenal burnout (as diagnosed by my doctor), and I'm really struggling. I've been dizzy/lightheaded and lacking the desire to move off the couch. My dh bought some vitamin stuff to mix into water. It has zero calories/carbs. I tried it before dinner and it gave me a little boost, but not a lot.

I am open to suggestions. I feel like I really need more protein.

Diet:
B - apple & hot tea
L - P2 chili, maybe a gluten-free breadstick
D - mahi-mahi on spinach or grilled chicken on greens (dd says "leaves")
S - 4 strawberries blended with lemon juice & ice

When I remember, I take 3-4 pellets in the middle of the night when I get up to pee, a few more mid-afternoon, and a few more after the kids go to bed.

I have adrenal fatigue as well as hypothyroidism. I feel ya on the tired thing I am never energetic, wish I were but I never am. And on P2.....even more so. I have gone so long like this, that being tired is my normal. This time around it is hard for me to find motivation for anything. Don't even want to cook my P2 foods so I don't! Try to find things that require as little cooking as possible. So I am doing a bunch of cottage cheese.

But Shelby has given you some great advice. I just got dizzy for the first time (like head spinning have to hold onto something or I will fall over kind of dizzy) this morning in the shower. Not sure why I didn't take any of my potassium yesterday and think that could be it. When I get my supplements in, I don't feel that way, so it should be it. Have to remember to take them today. I might try a half an apple with my coffee his morning too. Hope you feel better.