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dawnyama · 05-25-2012, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Just thought I'd throw this out there, too -- I may throw in a fat fast day or two this round... right now, I'm doing fine with protocol, so I won't mess that up, but I am keeping fat-fasts on the back burner should I stall out or really start tanking... just a thought.

I have done well up until yesterday. I was at work and succomed (how do you spell that word

) to the chicken. Had some fried chicken strips but did well keeping it to fat free dressing. So I didn't think yesterday was a wash. Then today hit---just had a nice few servings of chocolate

My restart this time was Monday, so not even a week's worth of hcg on plan to get through. I dont' know if I should 1) quit altogether and just not do hcg ever! or 2) take a short break for a week or so or 3) just keep going. My vote is for 3--keep going. But I don't want to waste what little hcg I have left. I know it will work and I keep hoping that I can do this. But I never make it past day #3 without slipping something in. I think my job is doing me in. I have to think long and hard on this. I just don't know what to do. I wish I did, but I have no flippin idea. I have the book "Weight Loss Apocolypse" by that Robbin lady and Shelby's review of it keeps ringing in my head. You have to do protocol by the book so that if I slip up, I feel I have to start from scratch all over again. I am so conflicted

Why, oh why do I do this to myself

cocoapeanut · 05-25-2012, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawnyama

I have done well up until yesterday. I was at work and succomed (how do you spell that word

) to the chicken. Had some fried chicken strips but did well keeping it to fat free dressing. So I didn't think yesterday was a wash. Then today hit---just had a nice few servings of chocolate

My restart this time was Monday, so not even a week's worth of hcg on plan to get through. I dont' know if I should 1) quit altogether and just not do hcg ever! or 2) take a short break for a week or so or 3) just keep going. My vote is for 3--keep going. But I don't want to waste what little hcg I have left. I know it will work and I keep hoping that I can do this. But I never make it past day #3 without slipping something in. I think my job is doing me in. I have to think long and hard on this. I just don't know what to do. I wish I did, but I have no flippin idea. I have the book "Weight Loss Apocolypse" by that Robbin lady and Shelby's review of it keeps ringing in my head. You have to do protocol by the book so that if I slip up, I feel I have to start from scratch all over again. I am so conflicted

Why, oh why do I do this to myself

Aw Dawn..well first off, the word is "succumbed"

I'm not an expert at all, but from what I can tell, you seem worn out because your head isn't in the right place to be strict on yourself right now. It might be wise to give yourself a break to get through some things and relax mentally, and save your HCG for when you're ready. If you're taking it and eating so that you don't lose, it seems like you might be wasting it and that may make you feel guilty too.

My advice: do take the time to "think long and hard" about the reasons you may be sabotaging yourself here, but don't do it while in the middle of feeling guilty about sabotaging yourself

Then you can come back into P2 when you feel more prepared and make it a true success! The HCG will wait for you, but weight loss is always more of a mental game than anything..so you have to approach it when you're ready to play.

Good luck

PS I've been lurking this thread for a while and wanted to give my opinion..I can go back to lurking now

dawnyama · 05-25-2012, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cocoapeanut

Aw Dawn..well first off, the word is "succumbed"

I'm not an expert at all, but from what I can tell, you seem worn out because your head isn't in the right place to be strict on yourself right now. It might be wise to give yourself a break to get through some things and relax mentally, and save your HCG for when you're ready. If you're taking it and eating so that you don't lose, it seems like you might be wasting it and that may make you feel guilty too.

My advice: do take the time to "think long and hard" about the reasons you may be sabotaging yourself here, but don't do it while in the middle of feeling guilty about sabotaging yourself

Then you can come back into P2 when you feel more prepared and make it a true success! The HCG will wait for you, but weight loss is always more of a mental game than anything..so you have to approach it when you're ready to play.

Good luck

PS I've been lurking this thread for a while and wanted to give my opinion..I can go back to lurking now

Thanks!! I tried several ways to spell that word and could not figure it out

Things like that, when I just don't know how to spell a certain word, just bug me. One of my little quirks.

I appreciate your advice. I just don't know how to make my brain and my heart match with what I decide to do. I want to continue on, I should continue on, but I am not following plan. Kind of out of sync and need to find how to get back in sync

I will think on it a while and see what I come up with!

minimonkey · 05-25-2012, 02:53 PM

Here's my two cents, Dawn -- take or leave them.

Stop p2, an stop taking HCG for now -- this doesn't have to be a "forever" decision, and I think it would be wise not to think of it as such -- but, I also think you need a break. If you aren't staying on the protocol, all you are doing with this endless p2-ish-thing is potentially damaging your metabolism further, and also potentially growing increasingly immune to hhcg.

So, I'd suggest you stop the hhcg, and take a real break from the whole thing. Eat to maintain --- what harm is there in that, if you are maintaining as it stands?

Later, when you have rested body and mind, and you have some weeks without hhcg in your body, consider doing another round, with your head in the game.

Again, that is my two cents, and that is about all it is worth in today's market

minimonkey · 05-25-2012, 02:58 PM

I went a bit more rogue today -- I did eggs and strawberries (the chocolate concoction) for both meals -- put me a little high on the calories -- 750-ish -- but I am okay with that. I have historically lost better at around that calorie level in any event.

For some reason, that was what I was craving today, so I ran with it.

I'll be food free for the rest of the day, and pushing liquids. In rounds past, egg days (with fat) have done me well, so perhaps this is a mini version of that.

I have an ugly headache I just can't shake, and I am not loving that feeling -- it is trying to turn into a migraine

I do have a migraine med that I could take if it gets bad enough, but they are hard to come by, so I am saving them for emergencies. If it gets much worse, though, I will declare this such an emergency, and take the darn med.

amylou · 05-25-2012, 02:59 PM

Just a quickie update...will comment to you all later...

I am STILL at 174. I thought for sure I'd have a loss today. My resolve is starting to go, am really feeling like cheating right now. Still having headaches and some hunger. I'm wondering if these pellets are even working or if they've been contaminated somehow. Starting to feel like I should just reload when I get the drops and start fresh with a really good fat load. Maybe that would help this hunger issue out.

Ugh I don't know. Gotta go take kids to swim lessons... BBL.

TerriMM · 05-25-2012, 03:02 PM

Hey Mini,
I haven't said, but I'm totally a fat faster on P2. It works for me on P3 too, but with the HCG hunger control it's much easier on P2. The only problem I have with it is it’s very difficult for me mentally to go back to low fat afterwards. So I try to do it at the end of P2 and then just move on to P3.

Cruzcrzy · 05-25-2012, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Here's my two cents, Dawn -- take or leave them.

Stop p2, an stop taking HCG for now -- this doesn't have to be a "forever" decision, and I think it would be wise not to think of it as such -- but, I also think you need a break. If you aren't staying on the protocol, all you are doing with this endless p2-ish-thing is potentially damaging your metabolism further, and also potentially growing increasingly immune to hhcg.

So, I'd suggest you stop the hhcg, and take a real break from the whole thing. Eat to maintain --- what harm is there in that, if you are maintaining as it stands?

Later, when you have rested body and mind, and you have some weeks without hhcg in your body, consider doing another round, with your head in the game.

Again, that is my two cents, and that is about all it is worth in today's market

(from one of your biggest fans who loves you).

skinnywish · 05-25-2012, 03:25 PM

Dawn,
You've got a lot of support here right now. I agree maybe stop to get your head together, it is a mental game. But don't feel bad about it and it is not forever. I agree with Mini said "Eat to maintain ... you don't want to damage your metabolism"
Stay posting everyday as you figure this out.....

TerriMM · 05-25-2012, 04:24 PM

Hey Dawn~
I'm adding my two cents to make Mini's four. This is not easy with the best frame of mind. Believe me I've started and stopped I'm not sure how many times this year and today I'm 3.3 higher then I started the year, so I totally feel your pain. But if you're not there you're not there and forcing it just makes you miserable and screws with your metabolism, and that the last thing you want. If I were you, I would convert of P3, maintain and when you're ready to preplan and pack your food, go out to dinner & order children's portions of nothing

and buy into the fact that free food isn't free at all, start again. But you've got to be there or you're just wasting time, money and your sanity.
And it's okay to say you're not there right now, nobody will think any less of you. We've all been there. Most of all me

minimonkey · 05-25-2012, 06:02 PM

Terri--

I'm toying with throwing in a fat fast after this weekend, actually. I get so flippin moody on low fat, and it doesn't take long to get there -- I am on the verge of a complete meltdown today. I'm dealing with some real stresses (mostly stemming from our financial situation, which is beyond a disaster right now) -- but I think the emotional portion of this is largely physiological in nature -- it happens like clockwork when I am fat deprived, and I don't think it is a mind game.

My digestion also hates low fat, and that is never fun.

We'll see where I am on the scale on Sunday -- I am peeing up a storm today, finally, after weeks of barely peeing at all. Sorry if that is TMI, but my system pretty much shut down in terms of fluid elimination with all the inflammation, and that was rather horrible, really.

I'm not hungry -- that's not the problem -- and I'm not craving anything -- I just hate what is happening to my mood.

I haven't really had a problem transitioning back to p2 after a day or three of fat fasting, so I may just give it a go. Then again, if the protocol is working, I'm not sure I want to mess with it -- but I also don't want to be such a grouch that I end up destroying my relationships with my partner and my roommate, either.

I'm taking the frustration out by cleaning house, which is at least a good use of my grumpy energy.

dawnyama · 05-25-2012, 06:24 PM

You ladies are so sweet! I am so glad I posted this. The last few times I was cheating on my rounds, I never posted because I felt like such a failure. I am going to stop the hcg-my last dose was this morning and transition to P3. Do a JUDDD style P3 and see what happens. Mix it up by doing P3 and JUDDD. If it works and I lose then I won't go back to P2. If I don't lose I will transition to P2 when I feel like it. I do want to lose more, but it's not working for me. I hate to admit defeat--THE WORST THING in my book, FOR ME. But I cannot waste time and most of all precious money. My DH is stressed about our finances, you are not the only one struggling mini

For me to do the drops and not stay on plan is not fair to anyone right now. DH and I actually argued about money last night and brought our son into it. Not right I know, but it is what it is. So I better just calm down and wait for a better time. That will include me reading the book "Weight Loss Apocalypse" as well as "Wheat Belly". Oh and will refer to my "Diet Cure" book for some supplements that might help my stress/cravings. Thanks for talking me through this. I appreciate y'all's help!!

And thanks for finding me Marie!!! You were right all along,

JUDDD for now baby. At least I know I can be good for a day

TerriMM · 05-25-2012, 06:25 PM

Mini,
I totally know what you mean and fat fast puts you in the happy place in a hurry. Maybe that's why I have trouble transitioning back to P2

I have the feeling Sunday's weigh in is going to put you in a happy place, hopefully your sweetie will still be around to share it with

.

I'm not ruling it out mid round, mind you. But when I cycle calories I do add good fat and that does make for a good mood lifter. Maybe it's the fact that I don't do higher calorie for more than one day that I don't have as much trouble cycling back to P2 the next.

With fat fast I really see the best results after the second and third day. What about you?

amylou · 05-25-2012, 07:03 PM

What is a fat fast?

TerriMM · 05-25-2012, 07:03 PM

You're not admitting defeat, Dawn.

You're simply deciding a different plan is more appropriate for you at this time. Best of luck on JUDDD!

TerriMM · 05-25-2012, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amylou

What is a fat fast?

**FAT FASTER'S THREAD**

Check out this thread.

minimonkey · 05-25-2012, 07:34 PM

Not defeat, Dawn, not at all! You're just changing course for while, and I hope you will keep posting here daily to keep you on your new course

I channeled my anger into cleaning out and reorganizing the gym, and I am nearly done with that ... and I apologized for my grumpiness to my sweetie.

I can generally milk a fat fast for two or three days, with losses daily, and then I stop losing on it -- and I am thinking that is a good plan for the week two slump! I don't know how the weigh in will go ... I don't know where I started -- but I am relatively good at guessing my weight within a couple of pounds, and I know it wasn't a pretty number!

Ugh .. sorry so many of us have financial problems right now! Ours are beyond the pale -- struggling to keep a roof over our heads, and long since defaulted on all credit related matters. One intern, and two mostly or fully unemployed lecturers do not a prosperous household make

I hope something turns around soon -- I just keep praying and trying to keep the faith.

I am SO jonesing to start working out again!!! Bar Method, here I come.... yay! Maybe even this weekend, if my roommate (workout partner) is up for it

minimonkey · 05-25-2012, 07:42 PM

If I do decide to do the fat fast, it'll be dairy free this time... coconut bark, maybe coconut cream and/or almond butter -- no yogurt, because I tend to over-consume that... plus, I am steering clear of dairy for now. I tend to crave ypgurt, and that makes me think I am sensitive to it to some degree.

I gotta stop thinking of this... it is making me drool!

Have I mentioned that I don't much enjoy doing protocol?

TerriMM · 05-25-2012, 09:12 PM

Today was the beginning of a weekend of challenges. Lunch with Dad. I chose a small piece of salmon with a side salad & a tiny bit of vinaigrette for 325 calories. With sacrificing my second piece of fruit and breadstick I came in at 608 calories. Hopefully it won't blow me out of the water on the scale tomorrow. Hunger and energy was better, no doubt due to the extra fat. Today was also exercise day. I planned to cut back the weight, but didn't get a challenge so kept it the same. A couple of my moves were a bit challenging prior to HCG so I did back off a little on those. Feel really good tonight.

Still to come is dinner at my sister's (the dessert monster) and dinner again with dad. I've told both about our diet. Described it as low carb. Both agreed to accommodate, neither thinks a little taste of off diet food should hurt and plan to have high carb stuff for themselves. I'm bringing salads to both and they're making grilled or roasted lean meat, so if I can turn away from "just a bite" I'm hoping I'll be okay.

minimonkey · 05-25-2012, 09:29 PM

Great start, Terri! You can totally do this, and I am sure that today's food choices were wonderful in the grand scheme of things.

I hate the social part of sticking to a restricted diet. I am not a social person much anyhow, but the pressure to eat adds a lot of stress to any given situation.

I don't much find myself tempted by off plan foods, but I do hate having to justify my choices.

amylou · 05-25-2012, 09:41 PM

Well I was thisclose to getting pizza tonite and gorging on it...something made me not. Instead I bought a small filet mignon and grilled it up perfect with some grilled onions and asparagus. The meat was more than a 3oz serving but better than a pizza I figured!

My drops are coming tomorrow...really hoping they work better for me. If not, fat fast it is for me most likely!

minimonkey · 05-25-2012, 09:45 PM

I'm plugging through the day -- feeling grumpy, but hanging in there. I'm doing a cleansing protocol along with the p2 and the supplements, and the detox is a bear -- I think that is at least part of the reason my mood is so horrid. I have a lot of gut problems (much better than they used to be, but still present), so cleansing a couple of times a year is pretty imperative to keep my system functioning at all well... that said, it is pretty miserable.

Ugh -- this is temporary.... repeat ten thousand times, slowly ... this is temporary.....

minimonkey · 05-25-2012, 09:47 PM

Whoohoo Amy -- great choice!!!

Glad your drops are coming

Maybe do a fat fast for the first couple of days on them, which could function sort-of like a load, in case the pellets weren't working? Just a thought....

I hope the drops treat you much better than the pellets... sounds like you've been having a very rough round!

TerriMM · 05-25-2012, 10:37 PM

Nice job Amy

minimonkey · 05-25-2012, 10:49 PM

Okay, I was just reading some of the JUDDD threads, and I think I want to give that a try for p3...

I just went to some online calculators for caloric needs... I plugged in my stats based on a weight of 105, which is my goal ... and did I ever get some wildly varying figures!

One said I needed 1533 for maintenance, and one said I needed 2000... one even went as high as 2230.... wow, is that some variance!

The thing about JUDDD is that your DD calories are pretty darn low... about 30 percent of maintenance calories to maintain.... so I suppose I'd be looking at a lot more VLCDs in my future... but I could eat with relative impunity on my up days, and that would be nice -- and it is supposed to increase your metabolic rate in the long term, and have a lot of other health benefits.

The other option for p3 is to do intermittent fasting, which I have been known to enjoy quite a bit. I didn't lose weight on it, but I did maintain well, and I liked it as a WOE.

It is possible to combine the two plans, and some folks have done that with good results -- and I will be staying lower carb for life, no matter what, since that is the only way my body thrives ... though it would be nice to be able to tinker with it a bit, and maybe broaden the range of what "lower carb" means... include fruit sometimes, the occasional sweet potato, that sort of thing.

I don't know... I am planning ahead, because once I am done with this round of hcg, I would really, really like to say "thanks, and goodbye" to hcg forever. I need to find a more sustainable way of managing my body.

skinnywish · 05-26-2012, 06:48 AM

Great Job Terri, dining out is a scary place! Good choices.:

Amy, You won the struggle. Sounds like your body was craving fat, maybe the higher fat in the beef will help to squelch the craving.

Mini, Love that you are looking for a plan for P3. I've been thinking about it as well, not sure JUDD is the route for me, because I don't know if I can do the low and high days successfully, but was thinking about just sticking to atkins and a preset carb level, and keeping the proteins lean. sometimes I seem to do best with a strict plan. Having choices seems to screw me up.

Weighed in .8 less.

TerriMM · 05-26-2012, 08:01 AM

Nice drop Skinny

I'm thinking of low carb life style P3 and beyond. I kind of like Protein Power vs. Atkins because it's less restrictive and more lifestyle oriented. I.e. you can have 5 skittles or five cups of broccoli, your choice. Sometimes (not often) I just want those skittles

But I do better with a little structure.

TerriMM · 05-26-2012, 08:18 AM

BTW down 1.5. Still reveling in the first weeks loses.

Hope everyone has a fabulous Memorial Day weekend!

MagieDen · 05-26-2012, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawnyama

You ladies are so sweet! I am so glad I posted this. The last few times I was cheating on my rounds, I never posted because I felt like such a failure. I am going to stop the hcg-my last dose was this morning and transition to P3. Do a JUDDD style P3 and see what happens. Mix it up by doing P3 and JUDDD. If it works and I lose then I won't go back to P2. If I don't lose I will transition to P2 when I feel like it. I do want to lose more, but it's not working for me. I hate to admit defeat--THE WORST THING in my book, FOR ME. But I cannot waste time and most of all precious money. My DH is stressed about our finances, you are not the only one struggling mini

For me to do the drops and not stay on plan is not fair to anyone right now. DH and I actually argued about money last night and brought our son into it. Not right I know, but it is what it is. So I better just calm down and wait for a better time. That will include me reading the book "Weight Loss Apocalypse" as well as "Wheat Belly". Oh and will refer to my "Diet Cure" book for some supplements that might help my stress/cravings. Thanks for talking me through this. I appreciate y'all's help!!

And thanks for finding me Marie!!! You were right all along,

JUDDD for now baby. At least I know I can be good for a day

Dawn You are not a bad person because you have struggled with this round or others.

Allow yourself time, the protocol will always be here and I am sure you have plenty of drops or pellets left when the time is right. We ALL go through seasons of life and this is your season to relax and just be and work on loving yourself as well as your family(no one cares for a grumpy wife let alone mama

).

Live, laugh, love.

dbunny · 05-26-2012, 11:09 AM

Hello all.. so far down 10.5. Yay!
I am wondering if I should try cycling. This round, I am planning an interruption about 4 weeks in, but thinking instead of doing p2 for 3 weeks, p3 for 3 weeks, then another 3 weeks of p2. I usually go for a little over 5 weeks, but I want to get to goal! It is only 30 pounds away, and 10 less from where I have landed in my previous rounds. Thoughts anyone?

05-25-2012, 02:53 PM	#154
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Here's my two cents, Dawn -- take or leave them. Stop p2, an stop taking HCG for now -- this doesn't have to be a "forever" decision, and I think it would be wise not to think of it as such -- but, I also think you need a break. If you aren't staying on the protocol, all you are doing with this endless p2-ish-thing is potentially damaging your metabolism further, and also potentially growing increasingly immune to hhcg. So, I'd suggest you stop the hhcg, and take a real break from the whole thing. Eat to maintain --- what harm is there in that, if you are maintaining as it stands? Later, when you have rested body and mind, and you have some weeks without hhcg in your body, consider doing another round, with your head in the game. Again, that is my two cents, and that is about all it is worth in today's market __________________ Rogue p2 cycling: 8/28:128.6 .... 10/7 118.4 ....10/20: 115.8

05-25-2012, 02:59 PM	#156
amylou Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: CA Posts: 194 Gallery: amylou Stats: 5'6" 179/175/150 Start Date: 5/14/12	Just a quickie update...will comment to you all later... I am STILL at 174. I thought for sure I'd have a loss today. My resolve is starting to go, am really feeling like cheating right now. Still having headaches and some hunger. I'm wondering if these pellets are even working or if they've been contaminated somehow. Starting to feel like I should just reload when I get the drops and start fresh with a really good fat load. Maybe that would help this hunger issue out. Ugh I don't know. Gotta go take kids to swim lessons... BBL. __________________ Amy

05-25-2012, 06:24 PM	#162
dawnyama Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 21,305 Gallery: dawnyama Stats: 154/???/115 5'4" WOE: Hhcg/Rwhatever P2 Start Date: 6/1/09	You ladies are so sweet! I am so glad I posted this. The last few times I was cheating on my rounds, I never posted because I felt like such a failure. I am going to stop the hcg-my last dose was this morning and transition to P3. Do a JUDDD style P3 and see what happens. Mix it up by doing P3 and JUDDD. If it works and I lose then I won't go back to P2. If I don't lose I will transition to P2 when I feel like it. I do want to lose more, but it's not working for me. I hate to admit defeat--THE WORST THING in my book, FOR ME. But I cannot waste time and most of all precious money. My DH is stressed about our finances, you are not the only one struggling mini For me to do the drops and not stay on plan is not fair to anyone right now. DH and I actually argued about money last night and brought our son into it. Not right I know, but it is what it is. So I better just calm down and wait for a better time. That will include me reading the book "Weight Loss Apocalypse" as well as "Wheat Belly". Oh and will refer to my "Diet Cure" book for some supplements that might help my stress/cravings. Thanks for talking me through this. I appreciate y'all's help!! And thanks for finding me Marie!!! You were right all along, JUDDD for now baby. At least I know I can be good for a day Last edited by dawnyama; 05-25-2012 at 06:25 PM..

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05-25-2012, 02:58 PM	#155
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	I went a bit more rogue today -- I did eggs and strawberries (the chocolate concoction) for both meals -- put me a little high on the calories -- 750-ish -- but I am okay with that. I have historically lost better at around that calorie level in any event. For some reason, that was what I was craving today, so I ran with it. I'll be food free for the rest of the day, and pushing liquids. In rounds past, egg days (with fat) have done me well, so perhaps this is a mini version of that. I have an ugly headache I just can't shake, and I am not loving that feeling -- it is trying to turn into a migraine I do have a migraine med that I could take if it gets bad enough, but they are hard to come by, so I am saving them for emergencies. If it gets much worse, though, I will declare this such an emergency, and take the darn med.

05-25-2012, 03:02 PM	#157
TerriMM Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,432 Gallery: TerriMM Start Date: 5/18/11	Hey Mini, I haven't said, but I'm totally a fat faster on P2. It works for me on P3 too, but with the HCG hunger control it's much easier on P2. The only problem I have with it is it’s very difficult for me mentally to go back to low fat afterwards. So I try to do it at the end of P2 and then just move on to P3.

05-25-2012, 03:25 PM	#159
skinnywish Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 63 Gallery: skinnywish Stats: R1VLCD1:186.5 WOE: HCG Start Date: May 2012	Dawn, You've got a lot of support here right now. I agree maybe stop to get your head together, it is a mental game. But don't feel bad about it and it is not forever. I agree with Mini said "Eat to maintain ... you don't want to damage your metabolism" Stay posting everyday as you figure this out.....

05-25-2012, 04:24 PM	#160
TerriMM Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,432 Gallery: TerriMM Start Date: 5/18/11	Hey Dawn~ I'm adding my two cents to make Mini's four. This is not easy with the best frame of mind. Believe me I've started and stopped I'm not sure how many times this year and today I'm 3.3 higher then I started the year, so I totally feel your pain. But if you're not there you're not there and forcing it just makes you miserable and screws with your metabolism, and that the last thing you want. If I were you, I would convert of P3, maintain and when you're ready to preplan and pack your food, go out to dinner & order children's portions of nothing and buy into the fact that free food isn't free at all, start again. But you've got to be there or you're just wasting time, money and your sanity. And it's okay to say you're not there right now, nobody will think any less of you. We've all been there. Most of all me

05-25-2012, 06:02 PM	#161
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Terri-- I'm toying with throwing in a fat fast after this weekend, actually. I get so flippin moody on low fat, and it doesn't take long to get there -- I am on the verge of a complete meltdown today. I'm dealing with some real stresses (mostly stemming from our financial situation, which is beyond a disaster right now) -- but I think the emotional portion of this is largely physiological in nature -- it happens like clockwork when I am fat deprived, and I don't think it is a mind game. My digestion also hates low fat, and that is never fun. We'll see where I am on the scale on Sunday -- I am peeing up a storm today, finally, after weeks of barely peeing at all. Sorry if that is TMI, but my system pretty much shut down in terms of fluid elimination with all the inflammation, and that was rather horrible, really. I'm not hungry -- that's not the problem -- and I'm not craving anything -- I just hate what is happening to my mood. I haven't really had a problem transitioning back to p2 after a day or three of fat fasting, so I may just give it a go. Then again, if the protocol is working, I'm not sure I want to mess with it -- but I also don't want to be such a grouch that I end up destroying my relationships with my partner and my roommate, either. I'm taking the frustration out by cleaning house, which is at least a good use of my grumpy energy.

05-25-2012, 06:25 PM	#163
TerriMM Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,432 Gallery: TerriMM Start Date: 5/18/11	Mini, I totally know what you mean and fat fast puts you in the happy place in a hurry. Maybe that's why I have trouble transitioning back to P2 I have the feeling Sunday's weigh in is going to put you in a happy place, hopefully your sweetie will still be around to share it with . I'm not ruling it out mid round, mind you. But when I cycle calories I do add good fat and that does make for a good mood lifter. Maybe it's the fact that I don't do higher calorie for more than one day that I don't have as much trouble cycling back to P2 the next. With fat fast I really see the best results after the second and third day. What about you?

05-25-2012, 07:03 PM	#164
amylou Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: CA Posts: 194 Gallery: amylou Stats: 5'6" 179/175/150 Start Date: 5/14/12	What is a fat fast?

05-25-2012, 07:03 PM	#165
TerriMM Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,432 Gallery: TerriMM Start Date: 5/18/11	You're not admitting defeat, Dawn. You're simply deciding a different plan is more appropriate for you at this time. Best of luck on JUDDD!

05-25-2012, 07:34 PM	#167
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Not defeat, Dawn, not at all! You're just changing course for while, and I hope you will keep posting here daily to keep you on your new course I channeled my anger into cleaning out and reorganizing the gym, and I am nearly done with that ... and I apologized for my grumpiness to my sweetie. I can generally milk a fat fast for two or three days, with losses daily, and then I stop losing on it -- and I am thinking that is a good plan for the week two slump! I don't know how the weigh in will go ... I don't know where I started -- but I am relatively good at guessing my weight within a couple of pounds, and I know it wasn't a pretty number! Ugh .. sorry so many of us have financial problems right now! Ours are beyond the pale -- struggling to keep a roof over our heads, and long since defaulted on all credit related matters. One intern, and two mostly or fully unemployed lecturers do not a prosperous household make I hope something turns around soon -- I just keep praying and trying to keep the faith. I am SO jonesing to start working out again!!! Bar Method, here I come.... yay! Maybe even this weekend, if my roommate (workout partner) is up for it

05-25-2012, 07:42 PM	#168
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	If I do decide to do the fat fast, it'll be dairy free this time... coconut bark, maybe coconut cream and/or almond butter -- no yogurt, because I tend to over-consume that... plus, I am steering clear of dairy for now. I tend to crave ypgurt, and that makes me think I am sensitive to it to some degree. I gotta stop thinking of this... it is making me drool! Have I mentioned that I don't much enjoy doing protocol?

05-25-2012, 09:12 PM	#169
TerriMM Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,432 Gallery: TerriMM Start Date: 5/18/11	Today was the beginning of a weekend of challenges. Lunch with Dad. I chose a small piece of salmon with a side salad & a tiny bit of vinaigrette for 325 calories. With sacrificing my second piece of fruit and breadstick I came in at 608 calories. Hopefully it won't blow me out of the water on the scale tomorrow. Hunger and energy was better, no doubt due to the extra fat. Today was also exercise day. I planned to cut back the weight, but didn't get a challenge so kept it the same. A couple of my moves were a bit challenging prior to HCG so I did back off a little on those. Feel really good tonight. Still to come is dinner at my sister's (the dessert monster) and dinner again with dad. I've told both about our diet. Described it as low carb. Both agreed to accommodate, neither thinks a little taste of off diet food should hurt and plan to have high carb stuff for themselves. I'm bringing salads to both and they're making grilled or roasted lean meat, so if I can turn away from "just a bite" I'm hoping I'll be okay.

05-25-2012, 09:29 PM	#170
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Great start, Terri! You can totally do this, and I am sure that today's food choices were wonderful in the grand scheme of things. I hate the social part of sticking to a restricted diet. I am not a social person much anyhow, but the pressure to eat adds a lot of stress to any given situation. I don't much find myself tempted by off plan foods, but I do hate having to justify my choices.

05-25-2012, 09:41 PM	#171
amylou Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: CA Posts: 194 Gallery: amylou Stats: 5'6" 179/175/150 Start Date: 5/14/12	Well I was thisclose to getting pizza tonite and gorging on it...something made me not. Instead I bought a small filet mignon and grilled it up perfect with some grilled onions and asparagus. The meat was more than a 3oz serving but better than a pizza I figured! My drops are coming tomorrow...really hoping they work better for me. If not, fat fast it is for me most likely!

05-25-2012, 09:45 PM	#172
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	I'm plugging through the day -- feeling grumpy, but hanging in there. I'm doing a cleansing protocol along with the p2 and the supplements, and the detox is a bear -- I think that is at least part of the reason my mood is so horrid. I have a lot of gut problems (much better than they used to be, but still present), so cleansing a couple of times a year is pretty imperative to keep my system functioning at all well... that said, it is pretty miserable. Ugh -- this is temporary.... repeat ten thousand times, slowly ... this is temporary.....

05-25-2012, 09:47 PM	#173
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Whoohoo Amy -- great choice!!! Glad your drops are coming Maybe do a fat fast for the first couple of days on them, which could function sort-of like a load, in case the pellets weren't working? Just a thought.... I hope the drops treat you much better than the pellets... sounds like you've been having a very rough round!

05-25-2012, 10:37 PM	#174
TerriMM Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,432 Gallery: TerriMM Start Date: 5/18/11	Nice job Amy

05-25-2012, 10:49 PM	#175
minimonkey Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,029 Gallery: minimonkey Stats: 5'0" -- very small frame WOE: Clean eating, whole foods	Okay, I was just reading some of the JUDDD threads, and I think I want to give that a try for p3... I just went to some online calculators for caloric needs... I plugged in my stats based on a weight of 105, which is my goal ... and did I ever get some wildly varying figures! One said I needed 1533 for maintenance, and one said I needed 2000... one even went as high as 2230.... wow, is that some variance! The thing about JUDDD is that your DD calories are pretty darn low... about 30 percent of maintenance calories to maintain.... so I suppose I'd be looking at a lot more VLCDs in my future... but I could eat with relative impunity on my up days, and that would be nice -- and it is supposed to increase your metabolic rate in the long term, and have a lot of other health benefits. The other option for p3 is to do intermittent fasting, which I have been known to enjoy quite a bit. I didn't lose weight on it, but I did maintain well, and I liked it as a WOE. It is possible to combine the two plans, and some folks have done that with good results -- and I will be staying lower carb for life, no matter what, since that is the only way my body thrives ... though it would be nice to be able to tinker with it a bit, and maybe broaden the range of what "lower carb" means... include fruit sometimes, the occasional sweet potato, that sort of thing. I don't know... I am planning ahead, because once I am done with this round of hcg, I would really, really like to say "thanks, and goodbye" to hcg forever. I need to find a more sustainable way of managing my body.

05-26-2012, 06:48 AM	#176
skinnywish Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 63 Gallery: skinnywish Stats: R1VLCD1:186.5 WOE: HCG Start Date: May 2012	Great Job Terri, dining out is a scary place! Good choices.: Amy, You won the struggle. Sounds like your body was craving fat, maybe the higher fat in the beef will help to squelch the craving. Mini, Love that you are looking for a plan for P3. I've been thinking about it as well, not sure JUDD is the route for me, because I don't know if I can do the low and high days successfully, but was thinking about just sticking to atkins and a preset carb level, and keeping the proteins lean. sometimes I seem to do best with a strict plan. Having choices seems to screw me up. Weighed in .8 less.

05-26-2012, 08:01 AM	#177
TerriMM Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,432 Gallery: TerriMM Start Date: 5/18/11	Nice drop Skinny I'm thinking of low carb life style P3 and beyond. I kind of like Protein Power vs. Atkins because it's less restrictive and more lifestyle oriented. I.e. you can have 5 skittles or five cups of broccoli, your choice. Sometimes (not often) I just want those skittles But I do better with a little structure.

05-26-2012, 08:18 AM	#178
TerriMM Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,432 Gallery: TerriMM Start Date: 5/18/11	BTW down 1.5. Still reveling in the first weeks loses. Hope everyone has a fabulous Memorial Day weekend!

05-26-2012, 11:09 AM	#180
dbunny Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: St Louis Posts: 1,297 Gallery: dbunny Stats: 5'10" WOE: Atkins ~ HCG	Hello all.. so far down 10.5. Yay! I am wondering if I should try cycling. This round, I am planning an interruption about 4 weeks in, but thinking instead of doing p2 for 3 weeks, p3 for 3 weeks, then another 3 weeks of p2. I usually go for a little over 5 weeks, but I want to get to goal! It is only 30 pounds away, and 10 less from where I have landed in my previous rounds. Thoughts anyone?