The Breaking-Free Round--VLCD 1 on 5/14 Join Me! :)

[TerriMM]

Down .60 for first Fat Fast day. 1138 calories, 86% fat. Usually have better results on day two.

Hang in there Eyecandi, keep your eye on the big picture. Not much else could get you this far this fast. A week from now you'll be please you stuck with it.

Great job dbunny!!

Sounds like wonderful "organized chaos" Mini Have fun!

Isn't it great to start fitting into those old clothes Skinny!? Enjoy it while you can, pretty soon you'll be too skinny for them

[TerriMM]

Originally Posted by dawnyama

mini--thought I would let you know that I am doing JUDDD. Just had my first DD today. I figure if I can do P2 every other day, maybe I can do a round in a couple of weeks. Unless I get lucky and lose without the hcg. Since Netrition is no longer carrying it Just got my last stock and will no longer have it to fall back on when it runs out. Today was difficult only because I WANTED to eat, not because I felt like I HAD to eat, KWIM?? I wasn't hungry, just wanted food. That is my problem now. Head hunger. I will let you know how it goes.....I figure that I didn't do a straight by the book P2, so why do a straight by the book P3???? I am not eating vast amounts of sugar/starch but I am trying my best to stay away.

Looks like Netrition still has the Intermountain Pellets.

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by TerriMM

Looks like Netrition still has the Intermountain Pellets.

But only til the quantity they have is sold. When what they have in stock is gone, they won't be getting any more in stock....ever But at least the manufacturer is still going to have them! Just Netrition is getting rid of their stock, not Intermountain. So they are still available on the net

[TerriMM]

That's why they're marking them down.

[skinnywish]

Well I am crabby today......been doing so great on protocol, feeling like I'm on the road to getting skinny and now on my new hormones and my stomach looks like I'm pregnant......ughhhhhh Just called doctor to say side effect is bloating in stomach.......ick, hope this is temporary.......or maybe we need to rethink new meds.....waiting to hear back from doctor.....just hoping the bloating goes away.

[dbunny]

Alright, I'm drinking the Koolaid..Just ordered one more bottle of pellets. I will now have 2 half bottles, and 2 new. I think I should be good. Thought I would crack open a new one this round, but these seem to be just fine. Not so sure about the other open bottle.

[minimonkey]

Skinny --

I am not really fasting at the moment -- I am doing a cleansing protocol, that includes drinking psyllium/bentonite drinks, and limiting my food to fruit and veggies most days. I did one day of fat fasting (again, not truly a fast) on this as well.

I've experimented a lot with fasting, including water only fasts, and lengthy juice fasts... I am a believer in the healing properties of fasting.

I think I may do regular intermittent fasting during maintenance -- 24 hours, twice a week, of non-caloric liquids only ... something to that effect. Yes, regular intermittent fasting is supposed to have wonderful metabolic benefits (so is JUDDD, for that matter) -- and also disease fighting and anti-aging benefits as well.

I, personally, like the discipline of doing it, and I like the clear headed feeling that a good fast day or two can bring about. It isn't for everyone, but it does seem to agree with my personal chemistry.

Oh, and estrogen therapy -- absolute prescription for a bloaty belly for a lot of people. It's often necessary, but the belly bloat is a real thing, not your imagination!

[minimonkey]

I think I am going to be switching to the hhcg tomorrow, with a new bottle of drops. I think my rx is losing or has lost potency, and it is just about gone ... I might get one or two more days out of it and I think I'd rather just make the switch now.

I also think I am going to see this daggone round through to goal -- even though I have been struggling pretty consistently throughout it.

I am off the scale until TOM starts winding down and I will see where I am at that point -- but really, I am ready to get this done with, and move on to a sustainable maintenance plan. I have about a week left of the cleanse, and that should (I hope) get me a good portion of the way to goal.

[martiangurll]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

Skinny --

I am not really fasting at the moment -- I am doing a cleansing protocol, that includes drinking psyllium/bentonite drinks, and limiting my food to fruit and veggies most days. I did one day of fat fasting (again, not truly a fast) on this as well.

I've experimented a lot with fasting, including water only fasts, and lengthy juice fasts... I am a believer in the healing properties of fasting.

I think I may do regular intermittent fasting during maintenance -- 24 hours, twice a week, of non-caloric liquids only ... something to that effect. Yes, regular intermittent fasting is supposed to have wonderful metabolic benefits (so is JUDDD, for that matter) -- and also disease fighting and anti-aging benefits as well.

I, personally, like the discipline of doing it, and I like the clear headed feeling that a good fast day or two can bring about. It isn't for everyone, but it does seem to agree with my personal chemistry.

Oh, and estrogen therapy -- absolute prescription for a bloaty belly for a lot of people. It's often necessary, but the belly bloat is a real thing, not your imagination!

I have been thinking of doing just fruits and veggies, as it is really hard for me to eat meat right now (versus substituting a pure protein shake) and I am curious if you are worried at all about losing lean muscle mass without consuming any animal protein? Not judging at all, just curious and I definitely don't want to lose any muscle mass at my age, which is why I am choking down my 3.5 oz meat twice a day...

[skinnywish]

Originally Posted by minimonkey

I am not really fasting at the moment -- I am doing a cleansing protocol, that includes drinking psyllium/bentonite drinks, and limiting my food to fruit and veggies most days. I did one day of fat fasting (again, not truly a fast) on this as well.

I've experimented a lot with fasting, including water only fasts, and lengthy juice fasts... I am a believer in the healing properties of fasting.

I think I may do regular intermittent fasting during maintenance -- 24 hours, twice a week, of non-caloric liquids only ... something to that effect. Yes, regular intermittent fasting is supposed to have wonderful metabolic benefits (so is JUDDD, for that matter) -- and also disease fighting and anti-aging benefits as well.

I, personally, like the discipline of doing it, and I like the clear headed feeling that a good fast day or two can bring about. It isn't for everyone, but it does seem to agree with my personal chemistry.

Oh, and estrogen therapy -- absolute prescription for a bloaty belly for a lot of people. It's often necessary, but the belly bloat is a real thing, not your imagination!

Thanks Mini, helped me alot in regards to fasting! Glad for confirmation on estrogen.....you know I think I could live with the bloat if I wasn't trying to lose weight....its like we don't want to add to it when it was starting to go down. But I am in this for the whole health package.....it isn't just about dieting or losing weight, its about obtaining the right body weight, and good health.
So I'm in for the long haul!!!
Down only .1 today, might just be my body adjusting to the estrogen because I have been 99.99 percent on protocol.....it's the occasional diet coke that counts for me as an off protocol.

[skinnywish]

Well, missed doctors call earlier today, hopefully tomorrow will discuss new estrogen meds and bloaty stomach.
Today was rough.....I have a daughter who has challenges and part of today was spent dealing with those. I found the feeling of wanting to eat coming on.....and realized I wanted to comfort myself with food.....so I just dealt with the emotions of desperation and not having answers....sat with those feelings....and didn't eat outside of protocol. Wow what a lesson.....guess this is what I will have to do again and again when I want to eat based on comfort and not need.....

[C'Marie]

@Martiangirl - have you tried those homogenized eggwhites in a carton? I use those for shakes and get my protein in that way when I can't eat very much and they're protocol - just a thought. I mix mine with strawberries and spinach and a little stevia.

[TerriMM]

Well three days of Fat Fast has netted me 3.6 pounds in three days so far. I think I'll do another day. After that I may move to P3. I'm considering doing a beef day as a conversion day, but haven't decided yet. I do especially well with beef. I'm thinking that may help my stabilization. I think perhaps I'm going to discover some crazy secret

Hope everyone has a great day!

[dawnyama]

Originally Posted by skinnywish

Well, missed doctors call earlier today, hopefully tomorrow will discuss new estrogen meds and bloaty stomach.
Today was rough.....I have a daughter who has challenges and part of today was spent dealing with those. I found the feeling of wanting to eat coming on.....and realized I wanted to comfort myself with food.....so I just dealt with the emotions of desperation and not having answers....sat with those feelings....and didn't eat outside of protocol. Wow what a lesson.....guess this is what I will have to do again and again when I want to eat based on comfort and not need.....

Hooray for you What a lesson to learn. Do it often enough and it will be how you automatically react in those situations. Not turn to food. You have done well now if only I could learn that lesson

[minimonkey]

Man, well my scale HATES me. I am up 5 lbs from last week I think a little of it was from the refeed day, but mostly it is TOM, and bloat from the fiber. I'm actually feeling leaner, but the scale sure doesn't agree about that! I'm also eating more carbs than usual because of the fruit, so I am sure I have full glycogen stores in my muscles at the moment.

I've got about 4 days left of the cleanse, and am doing fruits and veggies only until then, and I will dose at least through the end of that (I opened a new bottle of hhcg, since my rx ran out).

If the scale is my friend again, I may continue with the whole p2/hhcg protocol -- but part of me is seriously considering jumping ship, starting JUDDD, and just hitting the gym, hard. I think I am just tired, tired, tired of such limited foods, and I'd love to just eat really wholesome, healthy foods for a while and work on body recomposition. I may do just that -- we will see where I land in a few days.

I do know that it is possible for me to put on 5 or 6 lbs with TOM alone, so I am trying to bear that in mind.

[dawnyama]

mini--so sorry it is slow going for you for now. I have done JUDDD this week and boy what an adventure. I went out to eat with DH and still lost after my DD after that. I am excited about the whole JUDDD thing. I ate a lot of food--it was a German buffet that included dessert and boy was it good. Felt like I was cheating but after my DD (down day) yesterday I am down on the scale. So far, I have done only 2 DDs and 1 UD, but for me to eat out for 2 meals in one day and be down on the scales!! Incredible!!! And I was not low carbing it!!! Amazing! Now I know this won't happen every time, but so far I am loving JUDDD!!!! I say if you are far along in your P2 to quit, do so when you feel up to it. I am still not down to where I want to be, but I know I will get there. Hhcg or JUDDD, I know I will get to my goal.

[minimonkey]

Dawn -- that's wonderful!!! I hope this ends up being just the plan you need -- and I have no doubt you will reach your goal

I am seriously thinking I am going to do the same thing -- I'm just psychologically over the hcg thing at the moment, and I need a change. I really, really want to start working out, and that just doesn't mix with p2 for me. This round has been unusually challenging for me mentally, and the results are all over the map.

I have two more days on my cleanse, and I think I will make that the transition days to JUDDD ---

I know the scale bump is confounded by multiple factors... I was peeing all day, so that is some of the bloat from TOM leaving ... but I am also full of very dense fiber at the moment from cleansing, and that is undboutedly affecting the scale too. Tomorrow is my last day of the fiber part, and then there will be one day of flushing that out of my system, and which point I will have a much better idea what I really weigh. I think I am also still battling some residual inflammation from my over-work-a-thon, and general system imbalances due to Lyme and hormones. Cleansing can cause some wacky system fluctuations from detox, too, so that may be part of the picture.

I don't think I will dose after tonight ... that gives me the minimum dosing round, and I will set the bottle of hhcg aside and see if I want to call the next two weeks or so an interruption, or if I am just done with hcg for now. I suspect I may be ready to call it quits. The bottle is in a dark place, away from electronics, etc., and I suspect it will keep fine if I decide to resume the round in a couple of weeks.

[martiangurll]

Originally Posted by C'Marie

@Martiangirl - have you tried those homogenized eggwhites in a carton? I use those for shakes and get my protein in that way when I can't eat very much and they're protocol - just a thought. I mix mine with strawberries and spinach and a little stevia.

thinking about trying that. I hate it that I am allergic to strawberries, but I use coffee to flavor a shake. I need to buy some egg whites though, because my freezer is overflowing with the yolks I am saving for P3. That is going to be a monster omelette!

[dbunny]

Morning!
Down .5 more... yay! 19.5 to goal!!

[minimonkey]

Whooohooo Dbunny!!!

[minimonkey]

Well, in the how-crazy-is-this department.... I am down 4 full lbs from yesterday!

Wow, was that ever a lot of water retention! I may yet see some additional scale loss as TOM goes away completely, and as I flush the fiber out of my system from the cleanse.

I'm done dosing for now -- and am moving to a p3/JUDDD after the 48 hours -- the next two days are fruits and veggies only, and then I will start JUDDDing. I took my last dose of the fiber/bentonite last night, so the next two days will be the process of flushing that out of my system.

I'm not sure if this is an interruption, or if I am ending the round... but either way, I need a bit of a break from the p2... I'm still 10 lbs from goal. If I am losing at all with JUDDD, I will likely just try to get the last ten lbs off that way. If not, I will probably resume the round before the two weeks is up, and give this one last push to goal.

[dawnyama]

Yeah for mini

What a great drop

[skinnywish]

Terri, dbunny, Dawn, Mini.........great work!!!!

[minimonkey]

One more day until I start p3/JUDDD -- yay!

I don't know my starting weight this round, but I do think it netted me something like a 12 lb loss, or maybe more -- so even though I didn't reach goal, I am still pretty happy with the results.

I may yet pick up the round again before the two week period is up -- we'll see how it goes with the JUDDDing -- I'm leaving that decision open ended for now.

[skinnywish]

went out to lunch today for business......and went off protocol with 4 ounces of wine, but had the iceberg lettuce wedge and told them to put the cheese and dressing on the side........Had a wonderful time and no one new I was eating a "diet".........and I just never ate the cheese or dressing.
Came home and tallied up the calories and am under 500 for the day and still think I will come in good, but might just see a spike in weight because of the sugars in the wine....
Too be honest I wouldn't have had the wine except this was a photo shoot with wine glasses and toasting each other and oh my gosh I just couldn't help but drink my glass
Although I was pretty proud of myself for being social, enjoying myself, and not stressing over or making a big deal about food!
I can survive in the real world......I think! This was just a test for next week for when I leave to go out of town for 8 days on business............

[minimonkey]

Good job, Skinny! I totally passed on going to a party tonight... but to be honest, I had no desire at all to go, diet/cleanse or no... I am not a very social person to begin with, and am going through a particularly introspective/hibernating period at the moment, having just passed a major life milestone in finishing my MFA degree.

Tomorrow I start JUDDD, and I am oddly a bit nervous about that ... although I'm not at goal, and the stakes are pretty low all around... if I gain a bit, I gain... I'll survive -- I certainly have before, lol!

I guess I will start with an up day, since that seems to be the consensus as to how best to go about it.

I reintroduced protein and some more coconut oil today, for my last transitional p2 day -- and felt perfectly content at around 1200 calories ... which is unusual for me when I am not on hcg.

I'm looking forward to something less restrictive, food selection wise -- and I really hope this works for me. I won't mind doing the down days if it gets me to goal.

[dawnyama]

mini--I find that I am a bit hungry on the DDs, but I don't mind that at all. After hcg I can do anything LOL. I don't feel like i am suffering at all because I can eat what I want every other day. It is like a miracle. What I have looking for all along!! Best of luck to ya and I will be following your transition to JUDDD.

[skinnywish]

Dawn and Mini interesting watching you guys with the JUDDD program......I am on my 28th day,so I have a way to go before I'm off the shots, so I'm still trying to figure out my P3 plan. Maybe JUDDD will allow some freedom

Was down today, so it doesn't appear that yesterday was harmful, but back on track today........feeling good on the estrogen right now,,,,,bloating is down a bit, still there, but I feel so good right now....I'm okay with it.

[minimonkey]

Well, I took the plunge, and decided to go all out JUDDD -- no p3 for me (I did such a rogue p2, I suspect it doesn't matter) -- I'm doing carbs, and going to try no food restrictions except for grains (which I may, or may not, add in later). In fact, today's breakfast included a banana, and some honey greek yogurt (which is flippin' astoundingly good! I bought it for sweetie, but decided to have some).

Breakfast (at nearly 2 pm) was a powerhouse of yummy nutrients... and it's veggies for me for the rest of the day, and maybe a little protein. That'll get me near my up day calories, and I have an active day ahead of me working on the house.

I didn't weigh -- I may weigh after tomorrow's down day, if I am feeling motivated to do it.

If nothing else it is psychologically freeing to do this -- I can totally manage the down days (even if I am hungry) if I have this kind of freedom for the up days. It has been a long, long time since I've eaten carbs without guilt (or, at all regularly, for that matter!)

[dbunny]

Down 1.5 for 22.5 total loss. Taking a 2 day interruption as I am going home for a funeral and don't want to think about it. My niece's boyfriend was killed on Saturday in an accident. So sad.